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r5raider
27-04-2009, 19:38
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is mike still about, just dug a few old mags out an loved the look of his old red 5.. is he still working on 5s tuning them??? :)
NO:laugh:last i heard he was up on court:dearme:
Tiny Tim
27-04-2009, 19:42
Probably busy tugging it off over the interweb.
Andrew Cooke
27-04-2009, 19:43
:popcorn:
Hmmm might not be a good idea asking about Mike matey but he no longer deals with 5s he proper bum ****ed some people in the club
:laugh: http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee264/hubbellw/SZMZM42.jpg
His old red 5 is still in the club! robc2gtt owns it.
r5raider
27-04-2009, 19:46
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Hmmm might not be a good idea asking about Mike matey but he no longer deals with 5s he proper bum ****ed some people in the club
o rite fair enough.. wot ever happened to his car?? did it stay in the club??
Probably busy tugging it off over the interweb.
A classic Tim:laugh::laugh::laugh: remember that old thread on the club the bear having a W##k:laugh:
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o rite fair enough.. wot ever happened to his car?? did it stay in the club??
Yeah it's still in the club owned by robc2gtt now
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o rite fair enough.. wot ever happened to his car?? did it stay in the club??
A fella up Tring way bought can,t remember his name know he had a porsche 911 as well:)
Yeah it's still in the club owned by robc2gtt now
Thats the fella:)
r5raider
27-04-2009, 19:51
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what was the 5 spoke rims he used to have on it?? bit of a long shot....
Markey Mark (BD)
27-04-2009, 19:53
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what was the 5 spoke rims he used to have on it?? bit of a long shot....
15" Azev A's
r5raider
27-04-2009, 19:54
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15" Azev A's
a what size offset would be as well :)
Markey Mark (BD)
27-04-2009, 20:01
They should be about 35mm offset
ROB C2GTT
27-04-2009, 20:04
A fella up Tring way bought can,t remember his name know he had a porsche 911 as well:)
That would be me then? 911 has now gonne as i bought a house. The 5 is tucked up in the garage at my mums house where it has been foe 2.5 years. It will be on the road VERY soon and not long after that WILL be for sale:cry:
Big Steve - Raider
27-04-2009, 20:08
That would be me then? 911 has now gonne as i bought a house. The 5 is tucked up in the garage at my mums house where it has been foe 2.5 years. It will be on the road VERY soon and not long after that WILL be for sale:cry:
Get some pics up mate of it in it's current state when you can :niceone:
Big Steve - Raider
27-04-2009, 20:15
Here's some pics from RTOC at the Pod 04
ROB C2GTT
27-04-2009, 20:17
Get some pics up mate of it in it's current state when you can :niceone:
Its current state is covered in blankets in a garage!;) No my plan is to try and get her out this weekend and clean her up. Ive got a couple of bits to finish off on it as i went back to charge cooler but have fitted a twin cooler rad set up but only a few hours work. Ill get some pics up asap mate, plus im gonna try and get to some meets in her before she goes.
Andrew Cooke
27-04-2009, 20:18
check out Ave and Stu Clarke in the background
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=2014&d=1240859669
ROB C2GTT
27-04-2009, 20:19
Cool pics mate, still looks just the same really. Im sure all the chrome is gonna need a good clean once i open the bonnet! Ive got a chap who is gonna polish the devil strut brace up for me.
mad murdoch
27-04-2009, 20:41
yea loved his car,mike did set my car up 4 me few years back and he did make it go well, and did not blow up,guess i was 1 of the lucky ones:p lol, i remember going up against him at the pod nattional day wen he done the 12.1 second run,his car was well fast:)
ROB C2GTT
27-04-2009, 20:57
yea loved his car,mike did set my car up 4 me few years back and he did make it go well, and did not blow up,guess i was 1 of the lucky ones:p lol, i remember going up against him at the pod nattional day wen he done the 12.1 second run,his car was well fast:)
The car is quick yes but mike was a good driver which helped alot. The car has 235 ish BHP but there was a few other cars with that power at the time but werent running the same times.
Adey aka Ewok
27-04-2009, 21:01
i spy a midget
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=2016&d=1240859669
Andrew Cooke
27-04-2009, 21:09
i spy a midget
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=2016&d=1240859669
and some matching socks and trainers:laugh:
Mentioning Mickey T's & sorting his carb - That was my 1/4 mile downfall that year... :crap:
:D
Penfold aka The Dealer
27-04-2009, 21:38
Mentioning Mickey T's & sorting his carb - That was my 1/4 mile downfall that year... :crap:
:D
the words FAIL come to mind there mate, still live and learn... I am just glad we havent seen pics of you all over the net with your shiney gearstick in hand :)
the words FAIL come to mind there mate, still live and learn... I am just glad we havent seen pics of you all over the net with your shiney gearstick in hand :)
Not looking in the right places ;)
:laugh:
Is a shame what Mike ended up becoming, because I had a lot of time for him when he was first starting out loving the PMT stylee etc! Ah well!
Andrew Cooke
27-04-2009, 21:46
Mentioning Mickey T's & sorting his carb - That was my 1/4 mile downfall that year... :crap:
:D
not sticking them on your car and blowing him away with your higher traps was your downfall:sad2:
here's a tip, when you're trying to be quicker than someone else only discuss the things you know will make him slower:laugh: - I've been experimenting with adding weight behind the front bumper to increase traction:smokin:
Tiny Tim
27-04-2009, 22:41
i spy a midget
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=2016&d=1240859669
If you look closely, i've got the look of hate on my face.
Cant think why.
****.
nah u av just jizzed over the red paintwork
:D
Tiny Tim
27-04-2009, 22:50
and some matching socks and trainers:laugh:
That was all the rage back then thankyou Mr C :scared::ashamed:
mad murdoch
28-04-2009, 22:18
so what did he do why so many people hate him,even tho he has been off the scene for a long time:scratch:,i remember wen i wanted another set up from him he vanished,and my old membership expired so dint no wat happened,i remember he told me he was racing go karts semi pro:confused:,i thought that was wat he went off to do,:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
THE MASTER
28-04-2009, 22:48
just woundering if this thread is going to KICK off if someone says the wronge thing
r5raider
28-04-2009, 23:14
id quite like to hear the background of his car ect :)
THE MASTER
29-04-2009, 02:47
i talk in riddles somtimes and there is alway a youtube moment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZK-5tuRfcM:coffee:
from a photographic point of view all that red (the 5 an cars in background)
do actually ruin an otherwise great photo,because the sky an light is spot
on....
:laugh:....:coffee:
mad murdoch
29-04-2009, 17:41
ok,ok,i get the picture,lol,:)
ok,ok,i get the picture,lol,:)
You aught to be greatfull you didn't get the pictures that the rest of the club got a few years back.. ;)
Don't worry, that won't mean a thing to anyone who hasn't been here long :laugh:
You aught to be greatfull you didn't get the pictures that the rest of the club got a few years back.. ;)
Don't worry, that won't mean a thing to anyone who hasn't been here long :laugh:
hmmm watch what you say you might get sued ;):laugh::laugh:
You aught to be greatfull you didn't get the pictures that the rest of the club got a few years back.. ;)
Don't worry, that won't mean a thing to anyone who hasn't been here long :laugh:
the worrying thing was that some people saved the pics!!! as they appeared again a few times! :scared: strage people on here!
i l k e r
29-04-2009, 18:27
You aught to be greatfull you didn't get the pictures that the rest of the club got a few years back.. ;)
Don't worry, that won't mean a thing to anyone who hasn't been here long :laugh:
I still have nightmares sometimes :sad2::jerkoff:
Mudslinger
29-04-2009, 19:19
what was it that happened to the purple efi car that Mike built ?
i have vague memorys of the guy that owned it being stung my Mike but never read anything of the outcome of the car did it ever get finished?
what was it that happened to this car that Mike built ?
i have vague memorys of the guy that owned it being stung my Mike but never read anything of the outcome of the car did it ever get finished?
that got broke for parts mate :(
newbstar*
29-04-2009, 19:28
yeah the manifold on that cost over £1000.:disagree:
The shell was rotten to the core, he'd sprayed over all the rust. Mike forged the cheque, that Chris fella who owned the car, used to pay a bill on it. Insufficient evidence was produced and he got let off.
There were quite a few other problems with the engine, it blew up on the dyno or something like that, I can't remember all the details.
... Just a thought, maybe he left masking tape in the sump again:D
r5raider
29-04-2009, 19:32
the worrying thing was that some people saved the pics!!! as they appeared again a few times! :scared: strage people on here!
wot pics???
wot pics???
Basically, the link was titled www.hybridturbo.com, and it had Mike attempting to balance his shaft with a walk through guide...
I still remember posting that link:laugh:
Tiny Tim
29-04-2009, 20:04
I'll never forget Marts quote that summed him up perfectly...
"Boy in a mans world"
:laugh: :agree:
Short summary:
He was just a skinny, lying prick. People liked him right until they got screwed over by him
Tiny Tim
29-04-2009, 20:10
Short summary:
He was just a skinny, lying prick. People liked him right until they got screwed over by him
I never liked him.
He had slanty eyes and wasnt even oriental :scratch:
He had slanty eyes and wasnt even oriental :scratch:
PMSL, such a fraud :laugh:
funny thing is 2 years if even that before, he was round asking 6ft6 how to fit a dump valve... so ive been told... how true this is well who knows.
5alldaway
29-04-2009, 20:29
ah well he still set a sheet hot time
ah well he still set a sheet hot time
no the car did
ROB C2GTT
29-04-2009, 20:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1paZoyd2Yo&feature=PlayList&p=B9F2AAE77465824C&index=4
Still say this is his double?
5alldaway
29-04-2009, 21:15
no the car did
you still need a pilot
Wasn't Lloyd's car, that he built, running higher terminals than his red car too?
ROB C2GTT
30-04-2009, 07:20
Wasn't Lloyd's car, that he built, running higher terminals than his red car too?
Loyds car was running 115-116 i think and when we were at track and road it was putting out around15bhp more. The only differences supposedly were loyds had slightly more head work,bigger valves and a SMALLER turbo from what i remember?
Markey Mark (BD)
30-04-2009, 07:25
Loyds car was running 115-116 i think and when we were at track and road it was putting out around15bhp more. The only differences supposedly were loyds had slightly more head work,bigger valves and a SMALLER turbo from what i remember?
I remember him saying they played with the cam timing too
ROB C2GTT
30-04-2009, 13:15
I remember him saying they played with the cam timing too
yes thats correct, my cam timing was adjusted to match when new rings,bearings etc were fitted.
I also remember Lloyd's car was doing 115mph passes, just his quickest ET had the slower 111mph trap. Headwork, valves and cam timing are what made his car quicker :)
The only difference between the turbo's was on the comp side. Lloyd ran a Tomcat compressor wheel, which I can't remember the measurements for, and .48 comp housing. Mike was using the 60 trim T28 wheel with the .42 cover.
regardless of what people think of him......................
the facts are that he knew what he was doing with the r5
those who speak s*** about him ................. well .............. should know better.
after all he probably worked on your car lol.
dont be jealous of past masters .............. 1/4 mile means nothing.
THE MASTER
01-05-2009, 02:27
i know who built the gearbox...
:)
the facts are that he knew what he was doing with the r5
Facts? Evidently not...
BB built his original engine.
I spec'd & modified his carb.
Colin rebuilt his gearbox.
Sparkie advised him on cam choice.
CTM spec'd & partially built his 2nd engine.
In short (no pun intended), he leeched info from people off here, ran a, at the time, record-breaking 1/4 mile run, set up a 'tuning' business on the basis of that, then got caught short when it came to light that he didn't actually know that much about tuning.
His final swansong is when he ripped off an old member to the tune of £15k (although a £20k figure was banded around at the time) for an all-singing, all-dancing engine rebuild, which subsequently crashed & burnt leaving the guy with nice shiny bolt-on bits on an otherwise fecked engine.
Mike bowed out of the scene, and the guy, to my knowledge, never got a penny of his money back.
Facts? Evidently not...
BB built his original engine.
I spec'd & modified his carb.
Colin rebuilt his gearbox.
Sparkie advised him on cam choice.
CTM spec'd & partially built his 2nd engine.
In short (no pun intended), he leeched info from people off here, ran a, at the time, record-breaking 1/4 mile run, set up a 'tuning' business on the basis of that, then got caught short when it came to light that he didn't actually know that much about tuning.
His final swansong is when he ripped off an old member to the tune of £15k (although a £20k figure was banded around at the time) for an all-singing, all-dancing engine rebuild, which subsequently crashed & burnt leaving the guy with nice shiny bolt-on bits on an otherwise fecked engine.
Mike bowed out of the scene, and the guy, to my knowledge, never got a penny of his money back.
^^^that wouldnt be chris by any chance would it?^^^
:agree:
From what I can remember the car just needs mapping as a friend rebuilt the engine for him. (car went on the rollers and destroyed the bottom end!!!)
Yep, the bottom-end let go. That was after numerous attempts at trying to map it previously though. It was originally running an Adaptronic ecu, which Mike fried 2 of them in the process of simply getting the car to start & idle, then it was converted to Omex ecu which led to another series of problems.
Fair play to Chris for sticking with it. If he kept all those original bolt-on bits, he'll have a nice motor when it's eventually running.
Sorry, somebody paid 15/20k for an engine rebuild?
What was the engine? C1J? :confused:
Andrew Cooke
01-05-2009, 13:20
regardless of what people think of him......................
the facts are that he knew what he was doing with the r5
those who speak s*** about him ................. well .............. should know better.
after all he probably worked on your car lol.
dont be jealous of past masters .............. 1/4 mile means nothing.
not mine he didn't, heard a rumour that he looked into sueing me though, sometimes the truth hurts.
regardless of what people think of him......................
the facts are that he knew what he was doing with the r5
those who speak s*** about him ................. well .............. should know better.
after all he probably worked on your car lol.
dont be jealous of past masters .............. 1/4 mile means nothing.
Past master of what peep show? nor did he work on my car,
funny thing is 2 years if even that before, he was round asking 6ft6 how to fit a dump valve... so ive been told... how true this is well who knows.
No joke either.
then his ego was over inflated to the core by a walking cum dump, the rest as they say is "history"
Poor bloke as well as he could really drive a car and was even in Formula Renault with Lewis Hamilton and the amount of race trophies at his house and pictures of him with Coultard and Schumacher were great and he does have talent in a car.
Thats what annoyed me, he could have been a contender but got manipulated into tuning 20 year old R5s and ****ed it all up, when he should have been getting sponsership and trying to crack it on the track in the big leagues not mess about with a tuning industry for R5s that makes Fudge all money with a site as good as the RTOC :cartman::cry:
the old saying , "dont **** people off on the way up, cos on the way down you will have no one" never truer. :(
allanr5gtt
31-07-2009, 17:11
has any one got any pic's of chris's car with the efi?
Mike was a good lad at heart. Doubtless misguided at times and MSM turned into a farce.
The facts are:
- he could wield a spanner, working quickly and very neatly;
- he had some good ideas (or at least brought the right people and ideas together) and gave the 5 tuning scene a boot up the arse that took us from 13s territory to 11s territory;
- he could really, really pedal.
Ultimately he fell in with the wrong girl and temporarily f*cked up his life. MSM went sour and he may have been involved in some dodginess, which is really really sh1tty. Can't help but think someone slightly unsavoury was influencing him at that time.
Hopefully he is back on track now. I hope he is racing. :agree:
markey b
03-08-2009, 14:40
Mike was a good lad at heart. Doubtless misguided at times and MSM turned into a farce.
The facts are:
- he could wield a spanner, working quickly and very neatly;
- he had some good ideas (or at least brought the right people and ideas together) and gave the 5 tuning scene a boot up the arse that took us from 13s territory to 11s territory;
- he could really, really pedal.
Ultimately he fell in with the wrong girl and temporarily f*cked up his life. MSM went sour and he may have been involved in some dodginess, which is really really sh1tty. Can't help but think someone slightly unsavoury was influencing him at that time.
Hopefully he is back on track now. I hope he is racing. :agree:
:agree:
i never had a problem, was always happy and always well looked after... i'm sure i know people who have similar stories (to the bad ones posted) with other companies, such as BB and GDI..... best way is to do it yourself or be prepared to pay over the odds or even loose some money
dont get Martina started on GDI...
Andrew Cooke
03-08-2009, 14:50
took us from 13s territory to 11s territory;
12.47 to 12.18, ahh, the joy of drag slicks
dont get Martina started on GDI...
:coffee:
some people on here liked him some didnt , and alot of people got ripped off me 1 of them , so just delete this thread cnt stand his name , and every 1 knows the score about ms , and it will be a pointless thread with people going on about him:mad:
12.47 to 12.18, ahh, the joy of drag slicks
How many club cars were in the 12s before Mike came along? 1? He gave us a boot up the arse.
Andrew Cooke
03-08-2009, 16:21
How many club cars were in the 12s before Mike came along? 1? He gave us a boot up the arse.
IMO the only car that ran a 12 or 11 that wouldn't have done if Mike had never come along was Mike's own car
Who knows? But it had been about 2 years since anything interesting had happened, then all of a sudden everyone was belting around in (relatively) mega power cars. Whatever. I don't care. My car was slow before he came along, slow whilst he was around and is still slow, or more usually stationary.
Setting aside the latter day MSM bollocks, I don't get the anti-Mike thing. I really don't. Jealousy? :scratch:
allanr5gtt
03-08-2009, 16:59
has any one got any pic's of chris's car with the efi?
any pic's any one? or was there on the old site?
There was a project thread on the old forum. Although the car may have looked good on the outside, there was massive underlying problems with it. I remember Mike even telling me he was having major issues with the paint. Someone said they went to look at it when it was being built and most things were held on with cable ties
I wonder if he left masking tape in the sump too...
Andrew Cooke
03-08-2009, 17:30
any pic's any one? or was there on the old site?
unlikely, is there any bit you specifically want to see? If it's specific design ideas there are better examples on the site (there were some huge cockups on that car, and you wouldn't want to copy them by mistake), if it's just out of general interest, then fine :)
I don't think Mike painted Project Fraud, as I will now call it.
allanr5gtt
03-08-2009, 17:57
unlikely, is there any bit you specifically want to see? If it's specific design ideas there are better examples on the site (there were some huge cockups on that car, and you wouldn't want to copy them by mistake), if it's just out of general interest, then fine :)
just out of general interest really. when i see it last i thought it look very good and tidy.
out of interest andy want didn't you approve of? or you would of done different?
Andrew Cooke
03-08-2009, 18:10
just out of general interest really. when i see it last i thought it look very good and tidy.
out of interest andy want didn't you approve of? or you would of done different?
to be honest, pretty much all of it, the exhaust manifold was nice. In fact, apart from the exhaust manifold/exhaust I can't think of any other part I'd have wanted on my car.:scratch: Actually, that's not totally true, I'd quite like the spit and polish, I just can't be bothered with that stuff.
allanr5gtt
03-08-2009, 18:56
to be honest, pretty much all of it, the exhaust manifold was nice. In fact, apart from the exhaust manifold/exhaust I can't think of any other part I'd have wanted on my car.:scratch: Actually, that's not totally true, I'd quite like the spit and polish, I just can't be bothered with that stuff.
i glad you approve of the manifold as i base the design of my manifold on cross between your's and msm.
Jealousy ??? Who would be jealous of him ??
The anti mike thing is , becuase people dnt like him thats why.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_U_TmCEz64rY/Rxj8nUowngI/AAAAAAAAABs/zESGjVwAPyE/s400/bear_1.jpg
markey b
03-08-2009, 23:53
dont get Martina started on GDI...
lmao, andy ****ler
I don't think Mike painted Project Fraud, as I will now call it.
He didn't, but for the money that was spent on the car, the quality of nearly everything was pretty shocking.
I disagree with that. I'm not going to get into the engineering side of life, because, frankly, I know foxtrot all about it relative to the likes of Andy. Mike would have contracted out (to CTM and others) all the really clever (or not so clever!) bits anyway.
.. but I saw the car up close several times during the build process and, from what I recall, it was beautifully built. Really. It had been put together carefully and very neatly and it looked, to my eyes, to be pretty awesome. Or at least very very shiny and nice. Mike had spent a lot of time on it.
Does anyone actually know what the bill was? Or the true story behind 'forging' the cheque? How far did it get with the police (remember they are pretty much obliged to investigate any accusation like this!). I remember the guy who owned the car was pretty ****ing dodgy.
Markey Mark (BD)
04-08-2009, 18:38
Does anyone actually know what the bill was? Or the true story behind 'forging' the cheque? How far did it get with the police (remember they are pretty much obliged to investigate any accusation like this!). I remember the guy who owned the car was pretty ****ing dodgy.
I know how much it cost and what went into that car, i also know a few stories on when Chris (the owner) went to get it back and what went missing. Know abit about the court case to but i'm not going to discuss it on here as it'll open a hole can of worms again.
As some people know i have my own personal opinions with Mike after our falling out after Nat Day 2005, its no secret that i did go up to his and do some work for him so got to see alot of the goings on and condition of cars being built.
Right I've found some pic's on me pc of the car in question!
I know how much it cost and what went into that car, i also know a few stories on when Chris (the owner) went to get it back and what went missing. Know abit about the court case to but i'm not going to discuss it on here as it'll open a hole can of worms again.
As some people know i have my own personal opinions with Mike after our falling out after Nat Day 2005, its no secret that i did go up to his and do some work for him so got to see alot of the goings on and condition of cars being built.
Lot of rumor flying around, so if you know the truth (rather than hearsay), I'd say it might as well come out mate.
steveR5GTT
04-08-2009, 20:02
i no quite abit about the whole thing as i was mates with both mike and chris wen this was all kickin off, (still speak to chris, havnt heard from mike in years now) but theres alot of faults from both of them with this car, so its not all mikes fault at all, so for people to sit there sayin he ripped chris off without knwin the facts aint on
as for the car i see it from start to finish tbh, if it was my car id hav changed a few things but then i no wot id hav wanted from the car where as chris (and he will admit this) hasnt got a clue and didnt no exactly wat he wanted and left it down to mike to work out and suggest wot to do, he was asked to build the fastest reno 1/4 mile and money wasnt a prob but then wen alot of things were custom and experimental it took 2 long and thats where all the probs started,
he worked on a couple of my cars and i can say he neva ripped me off, always got on well with him and we were good mates just a shame it all ended badly for him, yes he mite hav took info from several members on here and used it to get the times he was runnin, but isnt that just the same in anything, if ur willin to share the info then dont go gettin ur knickers in a twist wen that person goes and uses that info and puts it in2 effect and it works!!!
heard hes gone bk to racing and fingers xd hes doin well !!!!
i no quite abit about the whole thing as i was mates with both mike and chris wen this was all kickin off, (still speak to chris, havnt heard from mike in years now) but theres alot of faults from both of them with this car, so its not all mikes fault at all, so for people to sit there sayin he ripped chris off without knwin the facts aint on
as for the car i see it from start to finish tbh, if it was my car id hav changed a few things but then i no wot id hav wanted from the car where as chris (and he will admit this) hasnt got a clue and didnt no exactly wat he wanted and left it down to mike to work out and suggest wot to do, he was asked to build the fastest reno 1/4 mile and money wasnt a prob but then wen alot of things were custom and experimental it took 2 long and thats where all the probs started,
he worked on a couple of my cars and i can say he neva ripped me off, always got on well with him and we were good mates just a shame it all ended badly for him, yes he mite hav took info from several members on here and used it to get the times he was runnin, but isnt that just the same in anything, if ur willin to share the info then dont go gettin ur knickers in a twist wen that person goes and uses that info and puts it in2 effect and it works!!!
heard hes gone bk to racing and fingers xd hes doin well !!!!
Quoted for the truth. :agree: :agree: :goodpost:
Andrew Cooke
04-08-2009, 20:23
This him?
http://www.danhollandracing.co.uk/gallery.php?g=16&i=77
Rob@Backyardracing
04-08-2009, 20:31
aii must be back in Karts.... wounder if hes got my £20 still... :)
steveR5GTT
04-08-2009, 20:32
This him?
http://www.danhollandracing.co.uk/gallery.php?g=16&i=77
who do you mean by him andy ?
The new Bill J
04-08-2009, 20:34
who do you mean by him andy ?
Erm, Mike :cartman:
Yep, that's him. Any excuse to take his top off. Still, at least it's only his top this time :laugh:
The last time I spoke to him (a few years ago now, just after the "Beargate" scandal), he said he was back in karts, and he was in line to be running a team the following season.
Andrew Cooke
04-08-2009, 20:40
who do you mean by him andy ?
the bloke disguised as Bill J
The new Bill J
04-08-2009, 20:43
the bloke disguised as Bill J
:laugh:
He always did look up to me :scared:
This him?
http://www.danhollandracing.co.uk/gallery.php?g=16&i=77
I see he's still got a shiny head...
he mite hav took info from several members on here and used it to get the times he was runnin
That isn't the problem though. The problem was him taking said info & turning it into a business. Not really keeping in the spirit of 'helping mates/members out', which is what this club has always been about since day one.
And for the record, that wasn't me who came out with the 'boy in a man's world' comment - That was the old skool legend that was Harpo.
But to be fair Mart, I don't think we are talking about the cutting edge here. He didn't steal any intellectual property, did he? i.e. Run drag slicks and go faster? No **** mate! All he did was pull a few ideas from here, and a few ideas from there and put them together, which is no different from what everyone at any level in the tuning game does. That was part of his competitive character and nature.
As for the business, I think we can all agree that a fair few members have earned a few quid here and there working on cars over the years. Sometimes that 'business' gets given a **** Blah blah blah Motorsport name and the mobile number gets dolled out and the 'brand' awareness raises and a few more customers roll in.. Usually shortly before the **** hits the fan!!
I think Mike just took it a little bit too far, maybe got ambitious and over expanded (possibly under some questionable guidance), and then found himself at the point where he was having to cut corners.
Maybe, but then what's that saying about sh1tting on people on the way up...
Ask BB (if you can track down either of the Andy's) what they thought of Mike & his pulling of ideas...
Yeah, fair one. I'm not saying he deserved to keep his mates if he treated them like crap (that's one for them!), just that he's not all bad and that he perhaps deserves a little bit of credit and maybe a second chance? Was always sound as a pound to me anyway.
As for BB, the less said the better!
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