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markey b
04-03-2011, 11:19
that is if you don't use a million psi of boost :)
............or have a 'thermal incident' :cooter:
TNT ANDY
04-03-2011, 11:41
............or have a 'thermal incident' :cooter:
My thoughs exactly.
............or have a 'thermal incident' :cooter:
Got that covered, the rad i'm gunna use is shorter in height than the gtt item so it fits under the inlet but its alor wider, infact its core is bigger overall than the original megane rad, my oil cooler will sort the oil temp side of things and as for boost, charge cooler ftw baby :)
markey b
04-03-2011, 16:31
i was referring to mr stott's snetty exploits... funny because i had a similar incident at the same place :laugh:
i was referring to mr stott's snetty exploits... funny because i had a similar incident at the same place :laugh:
Nah it'll be fine, he'll notice a massive drop in engine bay temps and coolant temps, so baring any major hiccups it'll be spot on
markey b
04-03-2011, 17:05
just thru using EFI?! cooler temps?
just thru using EFI?! cooler temps?
Yep, if anything mine runs too cold, i'm gunna have to cover half the rad just to keep it at the right temps.
You can reduce charge tempsusing efi too, just map it to inject a small amount of fuel a milliesecond before the normal injection time and it'll have an effect :)
Some minor progress
I bought a clio valver fuel rail a while back and started to convert it to suit my new engine but it went abit wrong
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15245
My inital plan was to have the fuel lines connecting at each end so I blanked off the OE fuel reg and tapped a hole to take a -6 fitting
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15246
And tried to tap the other end but the thread didn't take and I tried tapping out a bigger thread but that didn't work either
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15247
So I changed my plan and ordered a pair of weld on -6 fittings
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15244
And got busy with the file and made the OE fuel in and out pipes fit inside the new fittings, all they'll need is abit of tig welding and all is good
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15248
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15249
While the fittings are getting welded I'll get the chap to weld up the 2 ends of the rail and then I'll clean all the old paint off, prep it and repaint it
markey b
07-03-2011, 00:48
as much as u slate nige, his welding is awesome, and cheap too!
as much as u slate nige, his welding is awesome, and cheap too!
Tell that to Ross and see what he says
markey b
07-03-2011, 14:55
I've never had an issue and I've prob had more individual items done than anyone else lol
I've never had an issue and I've prob had more individual items done than anyone else lol
Well you were the lucky one cus it seems he's pissed alot of people off.
Anyway had enough talking about him.
More progress, i've ordered all the fuel fittings i need to relocate the fuel pressure regulator and link up with the fuel rail on the newengine, hopefully they'll turn up by friday.
Spoken to an engineering firm on the works i need doing to the block, crank and flywheel, hopefully drop those off friday and as soon as there done i can order the pistons and rods and begin to start putting the basic bottom end together :)
fuel rail is withthe welder so hopefully that'll be all done soon so i can clean it up and give it a lick of paint.
The fuel fittings i order sunday where delivered yesterday morning but i wasn't there to sign for them so i picked them up this morning, nice a cheap price and look great, will take some pics later
If you don't mind me asking,where did you get your fittings from?as I'm after some -10 fittings at a reasonable price
oh yeah,chop chop get some pics up :-)
If you don't mind me asking,where did you get your fittings from?as I'm after some -10 fittings at a reasonable price
oh yeah,chop chop get some pics up :-)
Go on fleabay look for a seller called torque_uk
This is what I ordered, enough fuel line to extended my existing lines plus the ends and 2 female to female adaptors
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15268
Right been to the machine shop and dropped off my crank, flywheel and block and while I was there I got them to check the mating face of the head for straightness and they said it was perfect and just needs a going over with some carb cleaner and some rag, so that's me busy tomorrow :)
the c1j knows its time is coming to end, so its now playing up like f**k to try and force me to spend money on it, first off it threw itsaux belt for the first time friday night, last night it kept cutting out at 60mph and this morning the fuel pump doesn't want to work :( bloody female cars
More progress
First off after only 2 days at the machine shop I got the call that my block, crank and flywheel were ready for collection:eek: bloomin ek guys that was quick gotta pick them up monday after work.
Pistons, rings, rods, gudgions and studs all on order, hopefully be here tuesday.
Fuel is back from welding, will put some pics up once I've pressure tested it and painted it.
Been cleaning up and painting other bits ready, starting with the gearbox mount, altinator mount and two aux belt pulleys.
Before
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15496
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15492
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15494
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15493
Primered
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15491
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15497
First coat of black
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15495
The pulleys, altenator bracket and gearbox mount have had several more coats of black and now look alot better
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15520
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15519
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15518
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15517
Other good news, I got a chance to get over to the machine shop after work and pick up my block, crank and flywheel, well I say block, crank and flywheel, what I mean is I'll pick up the block and crank and will have to come back for the flywheel later in the week as some twit forgot to write done on the job sheet that the flywheel needed refacing:sad2:
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15512
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15511
Ohwell they were able to supply new crank and conrod bearings though
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15521
Now all I have to do is figure out where to drill the oil return for the turbo and I can get on with building up the engine, oh and before anyone pipes up and says use the search function, I already have and found that my block for some reason doesn't have the lump at the bottom that needs drilling out :sad2: I'm cursed with this engine before I've even started.
This is the back of the block dummyed up with a gearbox, driveshaft, starter and turbo in place, where the feck am I supposed to drill then?:scratch:
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15513
Thats where your supposed to but as you can see mine doesn't have the lump:(
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15522
Right been busy again, with the block back from the machine shop, I cleaned it, tapped the oil return for the turbo and painted it
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15620
Also got the flywheel back from the machine shop with a new smooth face to it
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15619
The forged pistons and H-pattern rods finally turned up a week late but look feckin awesome
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15604
Mid way through assembly of pistons and rods
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15605
And with Handy doing most the work (damn I know how to deligate lol) pistons fitted
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15606
Also got a chance to pressure test the fuel rail and paint it and got some other bits painted to
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15622
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15623
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15621
TNT Tricky Nicky
31-03-2011, 19:46
getting there oli :agree:
not sure if you've covered it already but just wondering if you'd need to get the botttom end balanced with the forged components?
getting there oli :agree:
not sure if you've covered it already but just wondering if you'd need to get the botttom end balanced with the forged components?
Interesting question, when I dropped off the block and crank they asked If I wanted the pistons and rods balanced, I said I can't order them till I know the bore size, they said ok as long as they have no more than a few grams difference in weight they should be ok, I said they were wossiner pistons, they said should be perfect then and not to worry
TNT ANDY
31-03-2011, 22:09
Interesting question, when I dropped off the block and crank they asked If I wanted the pistons and rods balanced, I said I can't order them till I know the bore size, they said ok as long as they have no more than a few grams difference in weight they should be ok, I said they were wossiner pistons, they said should be perfect then and not to worry
Best check to be sure at this stage!
Looking good BTW, but why did you paint your fuel rail threads?
markey b
02-04-2011, 10:22
who did the machining? randalls?
who did the machining? randalls?
Hell no, the last thing they did for me was loose my spare gtt flywheel I took in to get machined for a 215mm clutch, I went to Scholar engines
progress on the new engine kinda stalled after funds ran out but now cash flow has come good and parts are on there way, first off JP provided me with an MLS head gasket and has a 4 paddle 215mm clutch which should do the job nicely.
I'm heading to ktec with a mate saturday so he can pick up his boot brace for his megane and i'll get a cambelt kit while i'm there.
I've finished cleaning up and checking over the oil pump, thought i would have to get a refirb kit but it was mint so thats ready to go on and the sump can go on shortly after, then its on withcleaning up and prepping the head.
Finally found the time to fit the oil pump and seal the sump on, bottom end finished :)
Dummied up the engine withe head, manifolds and an old turbo, looks great but the exhaust still worries me, really not sure if it'll clear the brake master cyclinder :(
Next job is to clean up the head, fit it and fit the cambelt.
Quick shout but has anyone got a spare 215mm clutch cover plate they wanna sell cheap?
Adey aka Ewok
20-04-2011, 20:50
i might infact have a 215 volvo clutch cover in my mums garage, brand new. ill look on sat if you can hold out that long?
i might infact have a 215 volvo clutch cover in my mums garage, brand new. ill look on sat if you can hold out that long?
That'd be awesome fella, yeah I can defo wait that long
Some progress pics, bottom end is built and head is ready to bolted down, just waiting on the head bolts ordered from the club shop to arrive, hint hint hint
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15882
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15880
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15879
Couldn't be arsed with modding the stock altenator bracket so I made my own
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15883
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15881
Well that's it, 1.4 is gone forever and the 2.0 is sat snuggly in the engine bay
rs250nut
02-05-2011, 22:49
Right been busy again, with the block back from the machine shop, I cleaned it, tapped the oil return for the turbo and painted it
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15620
Also got the flywheel back from the machine shop with a new smooth face to it
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15619
The forged pistons and H-pattern rods finally turned up a week late but look feckin awesome
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15604
Mid way through assembly of pistons and rods
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15605
And with Handy doing most the work (damn I know how to deligate lol) pistons fitted
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15606
Also got a chance to pressure test the fuel rail and paint it and got some other bits painted to
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15622
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15623
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=15621
Is that an air line fitting being used as a drain back?
Is that an air line fitting being used as a drain back?
Yep, was the perfect size and I already had a tap of the right thread, job done
Right some updates of current progress.
First off thanks to some help the 1.4 is gone and the 2.0 is in and I've been working my way through a list of bits to get it all hooked up and ready to run
This is how she currently sits, you can see the fuel pressure regs new home in the scuttle area and the new fuel lines, vacuum lines and throttle cable
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=16104
An old rad dummied up so I can work out where everything goes round it
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=16105
The turbo in its new home
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=16106
Right ive been slacking abit when it comes to keep this thread upto date with pics and details and since I knackered my ribs yesterday work on the car is impossible so I'll do a proper update tonight
Finally got a chance to upload some pics of my progress
The reworked front end, can you spot the difference?
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=16297
The turbo in its new home
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=16298
And pretty much as far as I got before I had to take it all back out again:(
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=16296
Well for those that do and those that don't know my 5 never made it to national day or french car show or frog of the pod, why because as soon as I start the engine cylinder 4 started to fill with oil :cry:
over a month later and the head taken off 5 times, the cams out, the pistons out, the head stripped, the rings stripped and measured, the pistons stripped and measured and the bores measured to see if there oval it seems I've finally found the problem.
Took piston no.s 2 and 4 to a different machine shop to make sure they wearnt mishapen and were the right size, all a ok but the guy made a coment on how little the oil control rings stick from the piston so he got his book out and had a measure up but they were right, he then asked had the bores been touched, I said yes and the pistons were ordered to suit what i was told would fit. Needless to say it looks like the machine shop honed the bores so much on no.4 the oil control ring isn't making contact :cry:
and I recon the other 3 can't be far behind, now i need to pull the block and get it measured properly to make sure first but it looks like this block is now no use to me :cry: and the hunt for a new block may have to begin.
I'm gutted, for the first time ever I built an engine properly, all new bolts, all gaskets, all the right torque settings, everything cleaned and prep'd before fitting and it all went wrong, from now on I'm only building engines in a damp, dusty shed with random bolts, gaskets and everything covered in crap
Tony Walker
01-07-2011, 22:57
Gutted for you mate, atleast you have found the problem. Good luck finding a good block.
Olly that is a ****ter but at least you found the problem if its any consolation my f7p is doing the same and I am in the hunt for an f7p standard bore block also
Not knowing the difference between the two blocks apart from the bore size & poss rod or crank, will an F7P block be any good to you Olly ? I have 2 spares that you can bore out if it will work..
You are welcome to try one.
Not knowing the difference between the two blocks apart from the bore size & poss rod or crank, will an F7P block be any good to you Olly ? I have 2 spares that you can bore out if it will work..
You are welcome to try one.
Appreciate that bud, the f7p and f7r blocks are similar but not enough that u can just check f7r internals in an f7p block.
The bore on an f7r is 82.7mm stock where as an f7p is 82.5mm stock, the f7p block would also need machining for the f7r crank to to clear.
I need to my block out first and get it measured properly first before I do anything else
if the oil scraper rings are not touching then ,maybe buy a set of wossner rings for a 83 mm piston, that should close your gap, as said before:sad2:
cheaper than cashing out on another secondhand block that will most likely need re boring and new pistons anyway:(
could be worse could have smashed all your valves;) (like me:D)
and snap your oil pump shaft(no longer available from renault( and wrecked both bearings shells(outer no longer available from renault,and inner £65 notes:crap:) and then spend three days making tools to pull the old knackered shells out ,and put new shells in which have to mm perfect to line up with oil ways:sad2:
but hey :laugh:
thank f##k for volvo;)
Right update time, Finally fixed the problem that caused oil to enter no.4, a dodgy ring (off t the docs for some cream ;))
With that sorted I've cracked on and go the engine rebuilt, dropped back in the bay and all hooked up, did a few jobs in the process such as the new crank sensor bracket, coil pack bracket and oil return off the turbo.
It has run and seemed ok but I've had to pull the rad back out to get a few jobs sorted such as the route for the oil cooler lines and air filter but with any luck it'll be up and running by this time next week, then its MOT and on to WSR at silverstone :D
First off the new cranks sensor bracket I made
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/F7R%20Turbo/30072011269.jpg
Wasn't happy with the flexi oil return pipe off the turbo so out came the plumbing supplies and nice hard pipe made up that sits well away from the driveshaft
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/F7R%20Turbo/06082011295.jpg
A nice set of 560cc Evo 8 injectors off ebay, 35quid, bargin :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/F7R%20Turbo/06082011300.jpg
The oil lines to the oil cooler rerouted round the drivers side of the rad giving more space for an airfilter
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/F7R%20Turbo/06082011296.jpg
The cam cover as it is, I think it needs something else just to finish it off though, a sticker or something, any ideas?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/F7R%20Turbo/06082011298.jpg
The reworked front end, can you spot the difference? most can't ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/F7R%20Turbo/06082011292.jpg
The engine as it is right now, got the stock megane cam cover in place while I finish the engine as I don't wanna scratch the paint on the new 1 and there's a few bits to neaten up, mainly though I need a new oil catch tank, anyone got 1 spare?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/F7R%20Turbo/06082011291.jpg
looking good lad. i think the sticker james has on the back of his 5 would suit the engine cover. maybe add a t to it.
looking good lad. i think the sticker james has on the back of his 5 would suit the engine cover. maybe add a t to it.
My sticker on the rear is just a spare spark clover sticker (I used it to cover up the marks left from an old BBPT sticker:ashamed:), there is a kiddie on the www.clio16valver.co.uk (http://www.clio16valver.co.uk) forum that makes them and sells them he does them in most colour's would defo look good
(excuse the state of my wiring needs to be sorted properly still :ashamed:, please also excuse the state of the cam cover only painted but fuel leak caused a bit of a problem with it :( to be powdercoated)
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/GTTJames/F7p%20turbo%20conversion/SAM_2513.jpg
i thought about 1 of those f16 stickers but i dunno if it'll look right.
Any other ideas?
markey b
12-08-2011, 10:21
i thought about 1 of those f16 stickers but i dunno if it'll look right.
Any other ideas?
how about 'this car never works since i started messing with it' sticker :cooter:
good idea that Mark, whats the name of the place you get the stickers for yours? YOu know the ones that read 'this car only comes out twice a year, once to go to FCS and the other to blow up'
markey b
12-08-2011, 17:43
good idea that Mark, whats the name of the place you get the stickers for yours? YOu know the ones that read 'this car only comes out twice a year, once to go to FCS and the other to blow up'
thats twice more than others manage :laugh:
i'll get some primer grey stickers made up for ya bumpers if ya want so they are 'stealth' :cooter:
just kidding u big gay, hurry up and get it sorted, if u need a hand just holla ;)
It's been running to tonight, just gotta give the battery a good charge and wait for the downpipe to turn up
good idea that Mark, whats the name of the place you get the stickers for yours? YOu know the ones that read 'this car only comes out twice a year, once to go to FCS and the other to blow up'
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: i'm on it boys, will have the stickers ready for the end of the week:D
any colours preferable :cooter:
markey b
13-08-2011, 10:37
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: i'm on it boys, will have the stickers ready for the end of the week:D
any colours preferable :cooter:
pearl white please, in memory of the car that never made it back from the conversion..... :laugh:
Finally have some good news, apart from a missing downpipe the f7r is complete and running, soon as the downpipe is on it's on the road :)
Finally have some good news, apart from a missing downpipe the f7r is complete and running, soon as the downpipe is on it's on the road :)
Great news Oli, keep us posted :)
Finally have some good news, apart from a missing downpipe the f7r is complete and running, soon as the downpipe is on it's on the road :)
Olly that is fantastic news:agree:
Apart from needing a timing light and a pair of hands to get the crank ref set up properly there's nothing I can do till I get t downpipe :(
I guess I could give it a clean lol
Apart from needing a timing light and a pair of hands to get the crank ref set up properly there's nothing I can do till I get t downpipe :(
I guess I could give it a clean lol
What downpipe are you going for?? Are you getting a custom jobbie of just going down the K-Tec clio mk1 route:agree:
What downpipe are you going for?? Are you getting a custom jobbie of just going down the K-Tec clio mk1 route:agree:
Custom job, does the mk1 clio job fit then?
Custom job, does the mk1 clio job fit then?
Yeah fits fine, Steve had it on his and I use the BBPT version on mine:agree: i think Lewis aka Elcie also uses the K-Tec version aswell.
The only mods I had to do to the BBPT version was enlarge the holes as the BBPT jobbie was desgined around a T28/T25 rear. But I know Steve's K-tec version bolted straight onto the T28 without fault. You will also need part of the de-cat aswell as mine and steve's side exit were a little short to mate up but a cut of the decat and a clamp job done:agree:
I will find some pic's of Steve's as I know he took a couple of pics
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=10116&d=1306255428
Yeah fits fine, Steve had it on his and I use the BBPT version on mine:agree: i think Lewis aka Elcie also uses the K-Tec version aswell.
The only mods I had to do to the BBPT version was enlarge the holes as the BBPT jobbie was desgined around a T28/T25 rear. But I know Steve's K-tec version bolted straight onto the T28 without fault. You will also need part of the de-cat aswell as mine and steve's side exit were a little short to mate up but a cut of the decat and a clamp job done:agree:
I will find some pic's of Steve's as I know he took a couple of pics
Do'h
Do'h
Gives you something else to look at, might be worth looking on the valver and williams forums to see if there are any 2nd hand ones about. Be careful the earlier BBPT ones are not stainless steel the later version are stainless steel.
Do'h
Yeah the k-tec one fits the GTT if you are using the log manifold & a T28 or some sorts Oli, £290 from k-tec though + you need a de-cat & postage :crap:
I got mine 2nd hand with the de-cat & still cost me £200
Markey Mark (BD)
17-08-2011, 17:25
I got one here which i'm not using anymore ;)
I got one here which i'm not using anymore ;)
Well my custome job should turn up Friday so I'll how well that works first.
Just incase how much would you want for it?
Spent a couple of hours working on the suspension, I've got AVO coilovers but I've always felt they ran to low and with heavier engine now in place some had to be done.
First job was to get the old springs off and take some measurements, easier send than done when they have seized up, some adjustment with a hammer and a bolster got the adjuster free, a good clean up and regrease and the damper is ready.
The old springs were the ones supplied by AVO and as far as I can find out there 2.25" ID x 7" long 220lbs, so I've ordered some that are 2.25" ID x 8" long 300lbs, with any luck this should raise the front enough to clear speedbumps without scrubbing and still maintaine
reasonable ride comfort
Markey Mark (BD)
17-08-2011, 20:19
Well my custome job should turn up Friday so I'll how well that works first.
Just incase how much would you want for it?
£100 for it mate, i can supply pics of it if you want to see it first
£100 for it mate, i can supply pics of it if you want to see it first
Stick it to one side fella, I'll see how well this custome job goes and I'll let ya know
Well thats just great, spent the other night getting front shocks ready for new springs, ordered them, said they'd be delivered on tuesday, so when they turned up today I thought result, ripped open the packing to find only 1 spring:mad:
I'm sorry but am I being dense or does a car require 2 springs on the front? I'm not sure now as the company must think cars only have 1 spring on the front:sad2:
Ok so once again I got back to offic today to parcel, after they sent me only 1 spring Friday they went and sent me 2 springs :rolleyes: the first was blue these new pair are black apart from that the specs are the same so there now on the car and mission accomplished the front is raised by about an inch :)
Gave the firm a quick call to tell of their second cock up, they said keep the first spring so that's gunna become a vase on my dinning room table :)
Bbbbbbbbbboooooooooooooooooooosssssssssstttttttttt
How much....
6.8psi according to the data log, crusing at 2000rpm in 4th at 1psi of boost it took 100rpm to spool :)
Goes like a **** :) :burnrubber:
6.8psi according to the data log, crusing at 2000rpm in 4th at 1psi of boost it took 100rpm to spool :)
Goes like a **** :) :burnrubber:
:agree::smokin:
Passed it's MOT today, on the road tonight :)
Now where are the lambo's ;)
markey b
30-09-2011, 16:28
6.8psi according to the data log, crusing at 2000rpm in 4th at 1psi of boost it took 100rpm to spool :)
Goes like a **** :) :burnrubber:
6.8psi rocket.... u've been driving the connect too long fella! lol
seriously tho, great news, i'll have to retax ginge now, along with the 11 lol
6.8psi rocket.... u've been driving the connect too long fella! lol
seriously tho, great news, i'll have to retax ginge now, along with the 11 lol
Your right I have been driving the connect too long, so long infact that it's about to die lol
Well that's the first two days of testing the new engine out of the way and pleased to report no major problems otherthan the speedo not wanting to work :(
Had a good laugh Saturday night as a chap in stripped ph1 Clio cup tried to race me, bearing in mind I'm running just under 7psi of boost, 5500rpm limit and no more than half throttle he couldn't catch me :) of course he started with usually racing driver excuses and then when he found out I was only on half throttle he started crying BS and punched the side of my car as I drove away, ****.
sweet dude. I think i should come and get a passenger ride in it and get the love back buy a 5 and do the conversion. Good stuff m8. Punched ya car? Do ya know him then?
sweet dude. I think i should come and get a passenger ride in it and get the love back buy a 5 and do the conversion. Good stuff m8. Punched ya car? Do ya know him then?
Feel free bud but wait till early november, as i'll have it mapped by then.
I know of him, used to think he was an ok chap but lately he's been showing his true colours, pissing people off and generally acting like a ****
TNT ANDY
04-10-2011, 12:50
No I'm not.
Sounding good though, when you next up this neck of the woods.
Well done mate its nice when things start coming together.
If i was to race a car and he punched mine cos i beat him i think id put my boot through his then him lol, what a prick!
it think a name and shame is order(vehicle reg & colour :mad:
for his sake and mine, if i just dusted him and pulled over for a chat , and he lost the plot and started kicking the **** out of my 5, put it this way , those who know me, know i'm a easy going, piss taking kind of guy,but if somebody did that to my car, by the time i had calmed down, i would be up for murder, i kid you not.sounds silly i know,but i've worked dam hard and spent many days and nights/weekends getting my car where it is , just for some ****bag loser, who cant accept and admire somebody elses hard work and achievment. that is just too low :(:(:(
anyway , whats the damage oli:sad2:
and i still think a mapping session could be on the cards before november;)
want to see it running down to the october 22nd rtoc rr day:cool:
TNT ANDY
04-10-2011, 17:47
it think a name and shame is order(vehicle reg & colour :mad:
for his sake and mine, if i just dusted him and pulled over for a chat , and he lost the plot and started kicking the **** out of my 5, put it this way , those who know me, know i'm a easy going, piss taking kind of guy,but if somebody did that to my car, by the time i had calmed down, i would be up for murder, i kid you not.sounds silly i know,but i've worked dam hard and spent many days and nights/weekends getting my car where it is , just for some ****bag loser, who cant accept and admire somebody elses hard work and achievment. that is just too low :(:(:(
anyway , whats the damage oli:sad2:
and i still think a mapping session could be on the cards before november;)
want to see it running down to the october 22nd rtoc rr day:cool:
Here Here!!! Well said.:agree::agree::agree::agree:
No I'm not.
Sounding good though, when you next up this neck of the woods.
Dunno fella, work is busy and money is short :(
it think a name and shame is order(vehicle reg & colour :mad:
for his sake and mine, if i just dusted him and pulled over for a chat , and he lost the plot and started kicking the **** out of my 5, put it this way , those who know me, know i'm a easy going, piss taking kind of guy,but if somebody did that to my car, by the time i had calmed down, i would be up for murder, i kid you not.sounds silly i know,but i've worked dam hard and spent many days and nights/weekends getting my car where it is , just for some ****bag loser, who cant accept and admire somebody elses hard work and achievment. that is just too low :(:(:(
anyway , whats the damage oli:sad2:
and i still think a mapping session could be on the cards before november;)
want to see it running down to the october 22nd rtoc rr day:cool:
Calm down Andy, its only a comercial :laugh:
oh and as far as the RR day goes, already told ya, can't afford to get it mapped in time and I'm not driving to the other side the country with a part map to a dyno day without going on the rollers.
TNT ANDY
08-10-2011, 08:41
hahaaaar (sorry, watched POTC last night so I did argh)
But if your working loads?
You should have £££
You're doing something wrong there fella, but not to worry, Cameron's not helping you.
WE hope to pop over next week to Marky's (If he's all ok with that) at some point - be good to meet up there if you can.
hahaaaar (sorry, watched POTC last night so I did argh)
But if your working loads?
You should have £££
You're doing something wrong there fella, but not to worry, Cameron's not helping you.
WE hope to pop over next week to Marky's (If he's all ok with that) at some point - be good to meet up there if you can.
Unfortunately recent unexpected issues with various things, the sills for example have taken a big bite out my funds :(
Yeah Cameron's a ****
Well let me know when your on the way and I'll join ya
TNT!hammond
14-10-2011, 23:26
C1J for the WIN !:cooter::hump::burnrubber::bla:
TNT ANDY
15-10-2011, 01:51
C1J for the WIN !:cooter::hump::burnrubber::bla:
if it wernt possible - he won't post.
Basically - Oli, forget it, you will never win!:cool:
C1J for the WIN !:cooter::hump::burnrubber::bla:
I feel a duel coming on, Blyton park, national day 2012, me vs Ross, C1j vs F7r ;)
Oh dear, the Americans off the local base are starting to dislike me, Saturday night a couple of them turned up in their tuned 3.5ltre V6 turbo GTO looking for a race, sorry boys, 2 up, trolley jack and a load of tools in the boot and the toaster wins with ease :)
I'd better watch out for friendly fire lol
TNT ANDY
18-10-2011, 06:29
I feel a duel coming on, Blyton park, national day 2012, me vs Ross, C1j vs F7r ;)
LMAO :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Oli - put him on a uni-cycle - he'd still beat you lol. This I can't wait to see.
TNT ANDY
18-10-2011, 06:30
Oh dear, the Americans off the local base are starting to dislike me, Saturday night a couple of them turned up in their tuned 3.5ltre V6 turbo GTO looking for a race, sorry boys, 2 up, trolley jack and a load of tools in the boot and the toaster wins with ease :)
I'd better watch out for friendly fire lol
Wow! (btw, I'm not impressed that you beat a GTO) you got it mapped then? What did you get on the rollers?
Wow! (btw, I'm not impressed that you beat a GTO) you got it mapped then? What did you get on the rollers?
Nope mapping is booked for the 9th november, I put it down to the fact I had a weight advantage and the fact that GTO's are rubbish at drag racing
markey b
18-10-2011, 10:19
i raced a veyron, i pissed all over him when he was doing 30mph i did 35!
TNT!hammond
20-10-2011, 00:05
hahaha u tell em mark,
ipswich u really do not help yourself, guys and girls on here are car enthusiasts mainly , not some barrys who like to here about street racing, maybe we have all done it a little but choose not to post about it. Main reason you shouldn't is because 1, your car isnt even mapped and no one likes a muppet ragging an unmapped car and 2, you come across like a muppet, which in alll honesty although you do have your moments you are actually a genuinely nice guy, which is the best you will ever hear me say about you :P. Your project page of recent is becoming like a fast and the furious forum arguement between a vauxhall nova and the us starship enterprise .
lets get it back on track hey? which is where i intend to meet you ;)
TNT hoooooooooooooooooooooooo
hammond out :laugh:
TNT ANDY
20-10-2011, 06:35
hahaha u tell em mark,
ipswich u really do not help yourself, guys and girls on here are car enthusiasts mainly , not some barrys who like to here about street racing, maybe we have all done it a little but choose not to post about it. Main reason you shouldn't is because 1, your car isnt even mapped and no one likes a muppet ragging an unmapped car and 2, you come across like a muppet, which in alll honesty although you do have your moments you are actually a genuinely nice guy, which is the best you will ever hear me say about you :P. Your project page of recent is becoming like a fast and the furious forum arguement between a vauxhall nova and the us starship enterprise .
lets get it back on track hey? which is where i intend to meet you ;)
TNT hoooooooooooooooooooooooo
hammond out :laugh:
Wish there was a handbag smiley :laugh:
Wish there was a handbag smiley :laugh:
He makes a valid point though :cooter:
Wish there was a handbag smiley :laugh:
wish there was a Plum!! smiley, can't wait to see ross(aka the haribo kid) and oli (the suffolk plum)get it on @ the next rtoc trackday :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Yikes talk about taking things out of context
My post about the GTO race was not trying to show off, I just trying to point out how impressed I'am with what the F7R can do, I knew from the passenger ride Coops kindly gave me at national day in his clio 1.8turbo that it was going to be good, I just didn't realise how good, I won't say how much of a better engine than the C1J because A) the C1J has some very good points about it and B) people will slate me for saying it (namely Ross ;))
Sorry if people have started to dislike my project thread over this, I didn't mean to upset anyone or start any arguements (except with Ross ;))
Seriously though I'm not tring to show off or go all ricer, was just trying to show that the F7R, even the sometimes called lesser Megane F7R engine is actually a really good base to start with.
Normal braking of parts and nailing bits on to the car service will resume shortly.
Oh yeah one more thing................ Ross, whats this about me being actually a genuinely nice guy?
Have you been hit over the head or somit lol
Seriously though fella, roll on Blyton Park, can't wait to see how your 5 and mine stack up
While the car was reciving new sills I had a proper down pipe made up and while they were at I figured it was a good time to replace the knackered silencer
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1316&pictureid=3201
Old V New
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1436&pictureid=3202
As for the down pipe, well I think I'll let the pics speak for themselves
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1436&pictureid=3383
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1436&pictureid=3384
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1436&pictureid=3382
One more thing, been spending some money on new brakes, last month I replaced the rear calipers, pads and hand brake cables and after abit of adjusting they sailed through the MOT with no problem, unfortunatly they now show up how bad the front brakes are, the brake dyno showed the the fronts were well down compared to the newly fixed rears so something had to been done.
A few quid later and I have a pair of these sat on my dinning room table
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1436&pictureid=3380
HAndy kindly provided the mounting brakets, all I have to do is get a couple of thread adaptors to convert the GTT flexi lines from M10x1mm to the 1/8npt to suit the calipers.
TNT ANDY
20-10-2011, 19:19
:agree::agree::agree::agree:
Oli, erm I mean Ipswich looking the tits bud, Now you'll be able to stop after caining everything in Suffolk.:)
:agree::agree::agree::agree:
Oli, erm I mean Ipswich looking the tits bud, Now you'll be able to stop after caining everything in Suffolk.:)
That's the plan :)
Bit worried it'll pull stoppies though lol
Penfold aka The Dealer
20-10-2011, 19:29
Let me know how the 4pots feel oli, I am looking forward to getting them on my car soon :)
Let me know how the 4pots feel oli, I am looking forward to getting them on my car soon :)
What piston size did you go for?
What did the 4 pots set you back mate, I think I'm gona go down this route!
Penfold aka The Dealer
20-10-2011, 19:43
What piston size did you go for?
This is the set i brought
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/renault-5-gt-turbo-clio-16v-4-pot-brake-set-up-wilwood-big-brakes-brembo-280mm-/120793874625?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c1fe040c1
I dont know the piston size of hand & not at home to check them...
What did the 4 pots set you back mate, I think I'm gona go down this route!
Calipers and pads were 450ish, ain't got the receipt to hand
This is the set i brought
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/renault-5-gt-turbo-clio-16v-4-pot-brake-set-up-wilwood-big-brakes-brembo-280mm-/120793874625?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c1fe040c1
I dont know the piston size of hand & not at home to check them...
Ah ok, I went for the smallest size I could get as just two of the pistons added up to more than the stock calipers, if you go to big your master cylinder won't keep up, ask MarkyB about the trouble he had
markey b
21-10-2011, 00:53
:agree::agree::agree::agree:
Oli, erm I mean Ipswich looking the tits bud, Now you'll be able to stop after caining everything in Suffolk.:)
I'm from suffolk...... I run 98psi on low boost ;-)
I'm from suffolk...... I run 98psi on low boost ;-)
meh shouldn't be a problem
TNT!hammond
21-10-2011, 06:57
:sad2:
markey b
21-10-2011, 13:49
Lol. 11's now making boost so u can practice on a mighty f7 first ;-)
Lol. 11's now making boost so u can practice on a mighty f7 first ;-)
About time you got that sorted, what was the problem?
Bollox, just pulled the old front calipers off to fit the new 4 pots but because of the side entry into the calipers for the brake lines when you turn full lock let's say left the flexi pipe touches the drive shaft :( guess I need to find some m10 90 degree unions, any ideas where?
TNT ANDY
30-10-2011, 17:29
Bollox, just pulled the old front calipers off to fit the new 4 pots but because of the side entry into the calipers for the brake lines when you turn full lock let's say left the flexi pipe touches the drive shaft :( guess I need to find some m10 90 degree unions, any ideas where?
Best bet would be hose solutions I am thinking Mr Oli
Best bet would be hose solutions I am thinking Mr Oli
Just had a look, no fittings on their site, an email i think to see if they do have something, rather not have to change the flexi lines though
Bollox, just pulled the old front calipers off to fit the new 4 pots but because of the side entry into the calipers for the brake lines when you turn full lock let's say left the flexi pipe touches the drive shaft :( guess I need to find some m10 90 degree unions, any ideas where?
think auto ? Best to call them because finding anything in their catalogue takes the best part of a day.
think auto ? Best to call them because finding anything in their catalogue takes the best part of a day.
Yikes I see what you mean.
Popped into my local hydrolic supplier and the've got a pair of adaptors coming for Thursday :)
Yay, 4 pots are on, thanks to HAndy for lending a hand to bleed them up.
I gotta say they work really well, ok they need more bedding in but the result so far is brilliant, so much that I had a thought as my head bounced off the steering wheel, "damn, knew I shoulda tightened up the harnesses more"
TNT ANDY
06-11-2011, 09:57
Mapping Wednesday - Is this the completion?
Whatever next.
Good luck Wednesday.
TNT Tricky Nicky
06-11-2011, 12:19
where are you going for mapping oli?
Mapping Wednesday - Is this the completion?
Whatever next.
Good luck Wednesday.
Completion??? Don't be daft lol
I'm fully expecting the gearbox to spit its dummy ;)
where are you going for mapping oli?
Emerald in Watton, I think Dave will be annoyed with the amount of work he's gotta do lol
Finally got off my arse and took a pic of the new brakes
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1436&pictureid=3695
Also during sundays jobs I decided to do a scheduled oil and filter change.............
what a damn fool I am for thinking that it would be a good idea, fooking filter didn't want to let go of the sandwhich plate so it took a little be of persuasion:sad2:
here's the results
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1436&pictureid=3694
Looks like a typical Ipswich removal to me :cooter: :wasntme:
Tony Walker
07-11-2011, 20:56
Good job you changed it, thats f****d :agree:
With just 2 hours till its due for mapping I just had to change the alt as it was playing up :( thanks to JP for lending me his alt for the day, now it's a case of finding out what went wrong with it and the fact that it's a 110a job not the normal 70a, anyone know if keeping the 110a job would put too much strain on the wiring? I hope it don't but I think it probably is :(
Well here's the dyno result
At 7psi 211.4bhp and 203ft lb
At 11psi 234bhp and 247ft lb
Unfortunately the actuator wasn't holding anymore boost but even if it did I dout it'd blow anything other than hot air, so next year when funds allow a new tubby is order
TNT ANDY
09-11-2011, 18:35
With just 2 hours till its due for mapping I just had to change the alt as it was playing up :( thanks to JP for lending me his alt for the day, now it's a case of finding out what went wrong with it and the fact that it's a 110a job not the normal 70a, anyone know if keeping the 110a job would put too much strain on the wiring? I hope it don't but I think it probably is :(
Your alternator will put out as much as is required from it upto 110A, it does not pump out 110A all the time. Look at it as an MCB rating you fool. MCBs operate (generally) know where near their capacity - the alternator does the same. Jp's alternator will be perfect for when you go full Barry Boy and put some Ice in.
TNT ANDY
09-11-2011, 18:35
Well here's the dyno result
At 7psi 211.4bhp and 203ft lb
At 11psi 234bhp and 247ft lb
Unfortunately the actuator wasn't holding anymore boost but even if it did I dout it'd blow anything other than hot air, so next year when funds allow a new tubby is order
All looks pretty standard for the lump, well done Oli - how does it feel to drive now???
Your alternator will put out as much as is required from it upto 110A, it does not pump out 110A all the time. Look at it as an MCB rating you fool. MCBs operate (generally) know where near their capacity - the alternator does the same. Jp's alternator will be perfect for when you go full Barry Boy and put some Ice in.
Do'h yeah of course, brain fade lol
All looks pretty standard for the lump, well done Oli - how does it feel to drive now???
Cheers bud, goes like hell even on the 7psi setting, power is instant and just pulls all the way to the peak.
Needs some track time for proper testing ;)
Andrew Cooke
10-11-2011, 08:01
Well here's the dyno result
At 7psi 211.4bhp and 203ft lb
At 11psi 234bhp and 247ft lb
Unfortunately the actuator wasn't holding anymore boost but even if it did I dout it'd blow anything other than hot air, so next year when funds allow a new tubby is order
you can see the efficiency dropping off, from the 7psi run you can calculate 142hp and 137ft lb na, so at 11psi you should be getting nearer to 250hp and 241ft lb - looks like you weren't at exactly 7 and 11psi at both peak torque and power?
you can see the efficiency dropping off, from the 7psi run you can calculate 142hp and 137ft lb na, so at 11psi you should be getting nearer to 250hp and 241ft lb - looks like you weren't at exactly 7 and 11psi at both peak torque and power?
Good eye fella, it was more like 6.8 psi and 10.4psi and because the small turn power dropped off very early, I'll get off my arse at some point and upload the dyno print outs
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1436&pictureid=3742
Haven't done much to the 5 since I go it mapped except for drive it that was until the clutch let go, release bearing disintergrated and the centre splines of the friction plate stripped.
So while it's all apart I've taken the chance to sort a few bits.
Get the ecu software upgraded the trigger pattern of the clio 172 flywheel as I have a lightened and balanced job.
Reseal the sump, cam carriers and cam cover.
Replace 1 way valve to brake servo.
Change turbo rear housing from .49 to .64 and fit stronger actuator.
how long till you have all of that sorted bud? good stuff apart from it breaking lol. lets hope i dont come across this on the roads or im gana cry and want another 5 lol
Well I've already resealed the sump, sent the ecu for the upgrade and changed the rear housing on the turbo, just waitin to get the new clutch and the ecu back before I can do anymore but hopefully it'll be back together by Monday next.
You know you want another 5 so just go get 1 ;)
yeah tell me about it just waiting for the funds to hopefully arrive :coffee::coffee:
being tempted by some audis i think though. will have to arrange to see your motor at some time maybe to sway me
What was the ECU upgrade for oli ? You know you can grind the extra tooth out of the 172 wheel to turn it in to bosch 60-2 ?
What was the ECU upgrade for oli ? You know you can grind the extra tooth out of the 172 wheel to turn it in to bosch 60-2 ?
I did that with the megane flywheel but Emerald wrote an upgrade for HAndy's ecu so it'd read the stock trigger pattern so you don't half to and as its costing me nothing other than a little time I'm going with that option instead of the grief of having break out the grinding bits in the cold.
Been too long since I last updated this so there's quite abit to do.
First off I broke the car in December on the way home from a mates, the damage, knackered clutch plate, knackered clutch bearing, knackered driveshaft and as the weather has been so cold I'm only know getting on with fixing it but in the meantime I've been collecting parts.
Gaz rear dampers
Forge adjustable actuator
Rose jointed top mounts
Larger boost pipes
Uprated engine mounts (Logg versions)
JC5 Gearbox
Plus a few other bits.
Currently the car looks like this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/e6368d40.jpg
And the engine and box is here
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/99d6f1d1.jpg
Ollie out of interest in the little time you car has been on the road what revs have you taken your f7r to??
7k fella, although with the current turbo the power drops off at 5500 but that will soon change :)
Gearbox works continue
First off, an old jb3 end casing
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/0d9375bf.jpg
Second jc5 box mated to engine, this box is actually the box that was bolted to my engine in the megane when I bought it
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/e9f8d334.jpg
The end casing given a coat of paint, not everyone's colour choice but I figured it'd be different
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/0052ffa0.jpg
really what was the point in painting that? you will be replacing this gearbox within a few weeks/months at most anyway:laugh::laugh::laugh: unless your happy seeing the back end of a certain blue 5 for the rest of your life :p , aka stop cocking around and get the 02m gearbox started ;)
Mate as I said the old box wasn't actually at fault, I think if I don't drive like a **** this should last plenty long enough.
I already have the paint so bolloxs to it, I fancied abit of colour :)
Oh and I will see the back end of a certain blue 5........ Up a tree backwards ;)
TNT Tricky Nicky
26-02-2012, 20:45
if I don't drive like a **** this should last plenty long enough.
yeah but we all know that's not going to happen :cooter:
when do you think you'll have it back together? will have to have a get together so i can have a nosey
yeah but we all know that's not going to happen :cooter:
when do you think you'll have it back together? will have to have a get together so i can have a nosey
True lol
Hopefully by this time next week
TNT ANDY
27-02-2012, 06:47
Looking forward to seeing this again Oli - without manifold leaks etc, keep up the good work, and Andy - there's a right way, a wrong way and a Handy Andy way, I'm thinking Oli's not going down the Handy Andy (Ahem - Scoff) Route. Lets see how he gets on. He may just be the one to show that that box he's putting on is fine.
Then again............................................. ............:wasntme:
Looking forward to seeing this again Oli - without manifold leaks etc, keep up the good work, and Andy - there's a right way, a wrong way and a Handy Andy way, I'm thinking Oli's not going down the Handy Andy (Ahem - Scoff) Route. Lets see how he gets on. He may just be the one to show that that box he's putting on is fine.
Then again............................................. ............:wasntme:
To be fair Andy I know that JC5 will only buy me time but that's all I need it to do, yes it'd be nice if it holds up fine but as long as its last 3 to 4 months it'd give me enough time to a few jobs sorted on the car and around the house and to save up the cash for an O2M box conversion.
markey b
27-02-2012, 13:12
there's a right way, a wrong way and a Handy Andy way,
:cry::laugh::cry::laugh:
Engines back in
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/82718c99.jpg
Logg engine mounts are in
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/e3c78990.jpg
Given my new cam cover a rub done and primed, the gearbox end casing paint reacted so rubbed it down again and reprimed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/240fd92c.jpg
Engines back in
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/82718c99.jpg
Logg engine mounts are in
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/e3c78990.jpg
Given my new cam cover a rub done and primed, the gearbox end casing paint reacted so rubbed it down again and reprimed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/240fd92c.jpg
oohhh....aahh:cool:
did those mounts turn up painted or did you spray them chief:)
will pop in tomorrow and find out about your alloy boost pipe, so you can pick up and drop of the goodie sat morning, might even let you have a sneaky peak at the first of the 2 x02m boxes;)
you might even be surprised:p
Nope they came in grey primer, I gave em a quick splash of red to match.
Can't wait to have a nose at them but they may be a tiny problem, will call u about it
TNT ANDY
01-03-2012, 18:26
Looking awesome Ol' - can't wait to see it done.
Looking awesome Ol' - can't wait to see it done.
Cheers fella, just want it back on the road, dunno that it'll ever be "done"
Mmmmmm much better
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/ec0bc017.jpg
Tony Walker
03-03-2012, 21:04
:agree:
Finally got her running again today, battery had to be charged but once it was fully charged she started and purred like a kitten.......... right up until I blipped the throttle when she roared :)
With the new engine mounts being so stiff I was worried that there would be a lot of vibrations transferred but there was hardly any :)
Apart from the gearbox the engine went back in with only a new actuator which was supposed to be a 7psi job, er no, that'll be a bar then and shed loads of wheel spin :D
The gearbox as I've said before is the jc5 megane coupe box so it should be stronger than the jb3 it replaced, it's gearing is apparently slightly taller which will help with economy and top speed and best of all the speedo sensor it has I think will run the standard GTT clocks just fine, however I need an old GTT speedo sensor and wiring upto the 3 pin plug, doesnt matter if it doesn't work, anyone got one kicking around?
Of late the rear ride height has dropped a worrying amount, my original thought was the rear dampers were giving up and sure enough when I got them off they were in a bad way, the adjusters were seized even though I greased them during install and the passenger side wouldn't return after being compressed by hand. When it came to fitting the new Gaz rear dampers I found one of the bush inserts off the old dampers had seized onto the top bolt, this required some heat, a bench vice and a hammer to remove. Unfortunately although the rear suspension has improved the ride height is still low, my next step is swap out the bars themselves as I think they may have been over stressed. Anyone know if Clio valver bars are the same?
I'm hoping to finish painting the new cam cover and install it tomorrow, this should sort out the heavy breathing problem this engine has had since I built it, the old one didn't have the OE baffle plates so I had made my own but the two ports had been opened out aswell, I didn't know this till I got the new one.
New cam cover is on, breather system reconfigured and everything is ready to go, gunna go find a recovery truck tonight before heading to HAndy's for a laugh
take it easy mate:scared::scared: , dont want you breaking that freshly fitted gearbox with the shiny "red bit" when coming over to my place tonight, but just in case ive got a spare jc5 ........for the right price of course:D:D ......and no ....maccy d's wont cover it before you ask! ;):laugh:
1 thing I've been meaning to do since I got the f7r engine running is replace the temporary boost hose from the charge cooler to the throttle body, I made the original with pipes work I already had kicking around.
It exited the charge cooler at 63mm, dropped to 55mm then up to 75mm onto the body
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The new pipe is 63mm off the charge cooler all the way And steps up at the end to 75mm onto the body
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Given the 5 a couple of good shake down runs after the gearbox change and the box is a beauty, the synchro's are mint, shifts perfectly and feels nice and tight............. but there's a problem, the box was supposed to be taller geared than the OE JB3 box but it's actually shorter :( the tag is right for the car but the sticker that's on the end tank has a different number jc5089, anyone know what it's off?
Adey aka Ewok
08-03-2012, 18:30
jc5 089 is the ph1 172 gearbox i think, its a long ratio box though has very tall gears 75 ish in 2nd with about 7600rpm, ruffly off the dash that is
jc5 089 is the ph1 172 gearbox i think, its a long ratio box though has very tall gears
Well that makes even less sense as this box is defo shorter then a GTT jb3 :s thanks for the info fella
Anyone what jc5 box is shorter than a jb3?
SCHWARTZ
08-03-2012, 19:14
No idea which one is shorter, but I think I was told its the jb5 box that ends in 022 that you want.
Great stuff, could i ask, what disc's did you use i ended up with 285 lancer disc and a bit of machining, im sure we will have the same set up. What pads did you go for, i made some d2500s fit, dead easy job :)
I wish i put this engine in mine :(
Great stuff, could i ask, what disc's did you use i ended up with 285 lancer disc and a bit of machining, im sure we will have the same set up. What pads did you go for, i made some d2500s fit, dead easy job :)
I wish i put this engine in mine :(
Erm don't actually know what discs they are other than there what came with the BBPT big brake conversion.
I got mintex jobs but since I bought them I've heard mix reviews on them and since I haven't had a chance to give them a proper thrashing yet.
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Well that makes even less sense as this box is defo shorter then a GTT jb3 :s thanks for the info fella
Anyone what jc5 box is shorter than a jb3?
didnt think any of the jc5's where shorter than the gtt box or valver box in 5 th gear motorway driving, unless you go laguna td longer 4,5 or find a straight diesel box which is longer geared full stop i beleive:)
what rpm where you seeing at what speed again?
Fairplay you have put some sort of time and money into your car really enjoyed reading your thread keep up the good work mate
didnt think any of the jc5's where shorter than the gtt box or valver box in 5 th gear motorway driving, unless you go laguna td longer 4,5 or find a straight diesel box which is longer geared full stop i beleive:)
what rpm where you seeing at what speed again?
4000rpm for 70mph :(
Finally got a chance to raise the rear ride height so the car wasn't dragging its arse on the floor, I decided to set the ride height as per the cup manual minus 30mm, this ment I had to raise the back 65mm :eek:
Well I spent a few hours working on little bits on the 5 and decided to take it out for a run.........
Bad move, seems the 5 once again proves its female and a jealous 1 at that by dropping its oil on the road off the estate, seems she was upset about how much time I've be spending on the 9 :(
The engine is out and on a stand (thanks for the loan JP), stripped the sump, end plate, oil pump cover and resealed them and replaced both crankshaft oil seals and sump refitted.
Now waiting on the new turbo, gearbox and clutch to turn up so I can get the engine back in.
While the engine is out I'm sorting a few other bits, first off the brake lines. I was never happy with the adapters I had to use to connect the 4 pots to the flexi lines so I'm replacing them, the flexis and the copper lines with one piece steel braided lines and the correct ends from the master cylinder all the way to the calipers and at the same time reroute them so they are a little less exsposed to the heat off the turbo and down pipe.
I'm going to make up a heat shield for the master cylinder because of how float it is to the down pipe, I know it's heat wrapped but I want to be sure that no excess heat is making its way into the brake lines.
Second I'm getting the wide track done, thanks HAndy I've got some valver wishbones with good condition bushes in, I've fitted those along with a valver anti roll bar and poly bushes. The result, 15mm extra width on both sides, about 1 and half negative camber, I'm going to leave that as is till I get to test it, if it's too much I'll fit the camber correcting bolts I have and if need be a have a pair of rose jointed top mounts to tweak the setup further. Other than that I just need to wind the track rod ends out to reduce to toe out caused by the wider wishbones.
I'm thinking ill move the header tank up next to battery to give more space for the air filter as the new turbo will require the boost circuit and inlet feed to be reworked.
SCHWARTZ
20-05-2012, 22:07
Oli are the driveshafts still ok to do this?
Oli are the driveshafts still ok to do this?
I was already using valver driveshafts and they fitted the GTT setup just fine :agree:
SCHWARTZ
20-05-2012, 22:38
Cool, may be thinking of doing it myself at some point.;)
Cool, may be thinking of doing it myself at some point.;)
:laugh: me to already got all the bits. Olly sounds like you are making good progress:agree:
:laugh: me to already got all the bits. Olly sounds like you are making good progress:agree:
To be fair all you need is the wishbones, anti roll bar, roll bar bushes and driveshafts and your set :)
Doesn't feel like I am though :( I'm genuinely worried that I wont have it back together and running in time for FCS let alone national day :/
To be fair all you need is the wishbones, anti roll bar, roll bar bushes and driveshafts and your set :)
Doesn't feel like I am though :( I'm genuinely worried that I wont have it back together and running in time for FCS let alone national day :/
Is that all is needed, crikey. I was going to use valver Hubs (I believe to be the same as the GTT just with bigger bearing's), i was also going to use the clio steering rack, as I was going to pikey mod the power steering into mine aswell using F7p engine won't be a C1J (once I find another 5 that is :agree:already have F7p engine).
Olly you will get there matey, plenty of time:agree:
Got any pic's of progress I love a good pic:cooter::D
Is that all is needed, crikey. I was going to use valver Hubs (I believe to be the same as the GTT just with bigger bearing's), i was also going to use the clio steering rack, as I was going to pikey mod the power steering into mine aswell using F7p engine won't be a C1J (once I find another 5 that is :agree:already have F7p engine).
Olly you will get there matey, plenty of time:agree:
Got any pic's of progress I love a good pic:cooter::D
I am gunna fit valver hubs at some point to make use of the abs rings but there not needed for the wide track.
Seems the ph1 strut arrangement is better suited to this than the ph2 because of the way the struts are angled
Just had my new turbo rear housing delivered, ok it's a Chinese copy but I gotta say it looks perfect, the machining is nice and neat, the mating flanges are perfectly flat, it comes with both manifold to turbo and turbo to exhaust gasket, both of which are MLS items, comes with the retaining brackets to fit the core and it all came in 150quid cheaper than a genuine part :eek:
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wastegate works the other way round:p
wastegate works the other way round:p
Well it is from the other side of the planet, they do
things backward round there lol
Should still work fine though.
All the bits for my brake lines turned up today aswell :)
SCHWARTZ
21-05-2012, 17:09
Important question, how big is it?:D
Important question, how big is it?:D
Big enough ;)
This is how the engine bay currently sits
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And this is where the engine is
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As you can see, lots to do.
The brake line Bits i ordered were 3metres of steel braided 3/8 line, 2x 1/8npt unions and 2x M10x1 unions, this allows me to make up one piece lines to what ever length I want and with no adapters so as to reduce the chance of a leak from any joins and so I can route the lines where ever I want.
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With HAndy's help we got the new brake lines fitted and the system bled up, got the camber bolts fitted and got the car back on its wheels, will need to unsieze the track rods to reduce the toe out but the good news is the camber isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be :)
Spent a good few hours tonight working on the tracking, I tried unseize the track rod ends in situ but that was never going to happen so I took the whole steering rack off and got busy with the big spanners :) after a lot of swearing and grazed knuckles I got the ends off, cleaned up, copper greased and refitted. I used a tape measure to roughly reset the tracking so I can at least drive the car to a garage and get the tracking done properly without destroying the tyres.
The ends are on the way out but I've got a plan to replace them with something better to improve feel through the wheel and reduce play, just need to find out what the thread is on the ends? I know it's bigger than an M12 but it looks like a fine pitch, anyone know?
I have a new pair genuine renault clio 16v/ williams track rod ends here if your interested?
TNT ANDY
24-05-2012, 22:47
Looking good Ol:agree:
I have a new pair genuine renault clio 16v/ williams track rod ends here if your interested?
Cheers but not gunna use OE rod ends
Turbo water feeds are in :)
They have a banjo turbo end, steel braided line and a push fitting at the other
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where do you connect them to?
One connects to the silicone hose off the heater matrix and the other to the silicone hose off the rear of the stat housing
aren't the leads too small for that?
i currently have my turbo not watercooled so i'm curouis how other setups are done:)
Nope as I currently have 2 silicone hoses joined together to connect to the turbo, I'll take some pics when I get home from work
I'd be interested in these pics too as I'm not happy with the plumbing in mine, although not sure how keen I would be for turbo temp water blowing into the matrix as am pretty sure that the direction of flow at that point in the system??
Here's the new rear housing next to a T25 .64 rear housing so you can see how much bigger it is
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With my old turbo the bulk head and brake master cylinder were exposed to a lot of heat, with the new turbo I expect the problem would get 100 times worse so I've taken steps
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Cardblard template
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Transferred to aluminium
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Completed heat shield
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good progress, have you fitted the cams yet?
My new snail has arrived :)
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wish mine still looked shiny :( :laugh:
TNT ANDY
28-05-2012, 19:32
OMG - so powerful it suck phones in :D
It that the picture you sent earlier?
wish mine still looked shiny :( :laugh:
I'm sure it won't stay like that forever
OMG - so powerful it suck phones in :D
It that the picture you sent earlier?
Tis more powerful than that, sucks in hedgehogs and small trees too.
Yep it's the same pic
TNT ANDY
29-05-2012, 06:44
I don't know why, but whenever anyone sends me a picture, I never get it on my phone but Get a message saying that I have recieved a picture and I can get it from www.blahblahblah.
When you sticking the fair ol beauty on?
once he gets his gearbox/ clutch fitted and the engine back in, next weekend:)
Come on HAnd y u can get the clutch and box out of yours Wednesday night ;)
any pics of the turbo water circuit pipework and fitment yet fella?! :cool:
any pics of the turbo water circuit pipework and fitment yet fella?! :cool:
Not yet as the banjos they sent with the lines are the wrong size :crap:
As soon as I get the replacements ill put a pic up
another quick one as well, whats the new rear housing for the turbo? I may possible need a new .64 t28 for my gt28rs is all and was wondering on costs etc? :cool:
another quick one as well, whats the new rear housing for the turbo? I may possible need a new .64 t28 for my gt28rs is all and was wondering on costs etc? :cool:
It's a .57 but seems a damn site bigger to me but it's not a GT28rs
It's a GT3071r with the 60mm turbine wheel, the housing might sound small but it's the only housing I can get to suit a 60mm wheel and still bolt to a T25 flange with an internal gate
Oli that .57 will be T3 sized frame, so a lot bigger than .57 in GT25/GT28 speak.
Oli that .57 will be T3 sized frame, so a lot bigger than .57 in GT25/GT28 speak.
Ah ok, so it is going to flow better then
My long term plan was to use this housing short term to get the car on the road for national day, see how it flows and if need be I can go to .72 housing with an external gate take off on the top but still on a T25 flange, maybe go to a tubular manifold with a T3 flange so I can get a bigger housing if need be.
another quick one as well, whats the new rear housing for the turbo? I may possible need a new .64 t28 for my gt28rs is all and was wondering on costs etc? :cool:
This is the eBay no. of mine but they do other housings
130678999654
cheers boys, all food for thought
Chris, is the GT25 and GT28 sizing the same, so a .64 GT25 = .64 GT28? and also if I decide to pop for more power in the future you think the .64 will flow enough? i'm still pulling more power at the current red line at current boost, so the turbo doesn't seem to be restrictive as yet................ :smokin:
cheers boys, all food for thought
Chris, is the GT25 and GT28 sizing the same, so a .64 GT25 = .64 GT28? and also if I decide to pop for more power in the future you think the .64 will flow enough? i'm still pulling more power at the current red line at current boost, so the turbo doesn't seem to be restrictive as yet................ :smokin:
I've got a t25/28 .64 rear housing going cheap if u want it Coops
I've got a t25/28 .64 rear housing going cheap if u want it Coops
pics? and is it stud and crack free? :-) what size wheel does it fit? I think mines a 53.9mm is it?
pics? and is it stud and crack free? :-) what size wheel does it fit? I think mines a 53.9mm is it?
Ill have a measure up and pics for ya after work
When I sold my old turbo I left the oil drain pipe on but forgot that when the new turbo arrives I'd need one, so I headed to a local scrappy this morning and got this off a W reg Saab 93
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Gave it a clean up and opened out the mounting holes to suit the turbo, then gave it a lick of paint to stop it rusting up again
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The new coolant banjo's turned up yesterday so got them fitted after putting the 9 back together
This is how the lines now are, from the rear of the stat housing to the turbo, from the turbo to the heater matrix
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The new unions just turned up for my turbo oil feed, a 90degree bend to fit onto the restrictor feed, 2 straight unions and an inline filter to go in just before the turbo.
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My plan for the turbo oil feed failed so I've had to order some more hose and a couple of unions, hopefully be here midweek.
Managed to damage the cv boot on the drivers side driveshaft so that's gotta be replaced, again.
The new turbo has given more clearance of the starter but will need a new oil return connection to the block.
As for the turbo itself I may have been abit ambitious :crap: I got the engine back in the bay but the turbo was press against the heat shield I made, so much infact that it was holding the engine off the rear mount :eek: so out came the cutters and the heat shield is gone, now the turbo fits with a small fingers width gap off the bulkhead so I'm looking at turbo blankets to keep the heat off of everything.
Got the car back together and running Thursday night but found an injector O ring was leaking, got a new 1 Friday, put it all back together again by 9pm Friday and then drove 123miles to donny at 5pm saturday, 40mile round trip to a local hospital Sunday morning, fcs the rest of the day, 50miles to my old mans place then another 120miles back home Sunday evening. Now that's a shake down run :)
Only 3 issues:
1: fuel pump relay started playing up, new 1 in the glove box, done.
2: gearbox drain plug leaked, picking up a new copper crush washer today.
3: coolant temp was hotter than before, sat on the third line all the time, I think the star might be playing up.
saw the car at the show fella, shame I didn't get chance for a chat, you may of been about but no idea what you look like!lol!
markey b
18-06-2012, 12:19
saw the car at the show fella, shame I didn't get chance for a chat, you may of been about but no idea what you look like!lol!
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Oi:mad:
saw the car at the show fella, shame I didn't get chance for a chat, you may of been about but no idea what you look like!lol!
You gave me a passenger ride in your Clio at national day last year and you can't remember how much I was laughing at everything you blitzed round mallory lol. You coming to national day fella? I'll see you there
did i? jesus my memory is useless!lol! would perhaps of recognised you then this time around if i'd seen you! :ashamed:
yeah will be at the national day provided cars all hunky dory on the pikie build of win! :laugh::agree:
did i? jesus my memory is useless!lol! would perhaps of recognised you then this time around if i'd seen you! :ashamed:
yeah will be at the national day provided cars all hunky dory on the pikie build of win! :laugh::agree:
Yeah ya did lol, to be fair fella I can't remember what you look like either.
good good, so should mine if I can sort this oil leak in time.
TNT ANDY
19-06-2012, 07:00
Yeah ya did lol, to be fair fella I can't remember what you look like either.
good good, so should mine if I can sort this oil leak in time.
You best get that sorted b4 Thursday. Otherwise Johny won't be happy with you spaffing oil all over his rollers :laugh:.
Don't think I can get to that one - let me know how you get on.
You best get that sorted b4 Thursday. Otherwise Johny won't be happy with you spaffing oil all over his rollers :laugh:.
Don't think I can get to that one - let me know how you get on.
On the question of mapping Thursday, put it this way.........
Bugger
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omg! you told me sunday you would stick with the diesel gearbox for a while :D
good luck with fixing it! i didn't have luck with my 9 today to, going to update within 5 minutes...
omg! you told me sunday you would stick with the diesel gearbox for a while :D
good luck with fixing it! i didn't have luck with my 9 today to, going to update within 5 minutes...
Fortunately it's not the gearbox that's the problem, it's the crank oil seal that's leaking :(
lol, i replaced mine 2 and it's still leaking, i just monitor the oil level now and get to it later. could well be the main bearing cap....
lol, i replaced mine 2 and it's still leaking, i just monitor the oil level now and get to it later. could well be the main bearing cap....
Looking at it the seal looks ok, I'm guessing it might be the seals down the sides of the bearing caps
Tony Walker
19-06-2012, 21:49
check the threads, ive seen oil leak through flywheel bolts before now. crazy stuff but its possible, locktite was the cure.
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