ECU to laptop data cable [Archive]

Mudslinger

14-01-2009, 09:17

downloaded the omex software so i can have a look at my ecu and maybe alter the rev limit myself without having to drive 40 odd miles to AVA , im not sure if AVA have locked the ecu ill worry about that later when i finally get the laptop hooked up .

anyway this data cable i require , where can i can get 1 ,what is the correct name for the cable i require ?? can i get 1 from maplins ?

thanks in advance :)

dgdogz

14-01-2009, 09:18

i couldnt tell you th name or wer to get it but i would suggest speakin to th good man ham!

:)

Bigfoot

14-01-2009, 09:23

Not sure what the ECU uses without looking at the unit itself, the adaptronic ECU uses a serial to serial connector, most leads you can find on the net, more than likely pick it up from Dabs, I had a spare one laying around from work.

Mudslinger

14-01-2009, 09:32

i couldnt tell you th name or wer to get it but i would suggest speakin to th good man ham!

:)

im guessing it might be a similar cable to the 1 used to connect the d-boxs to pc when flashing them , so hami might be able to help , not seen him since before xmas maybe a good excuse for a visit :)

i was kinda hoping to be able to nip to maplins and get the cable today :)

dgdogz

14-01-2009, 09:37

id ask him
hed prob b able to tell u if maplins even have it
:)
plus ud get a wee visit

Ashy

14-01-2009, 09:42

Aye its a 9 pin serial cable 2 x male ends

Bigfoot

14-01-2009, 09:46

Also need to look to see if your Laptop has a serial connector, else your going to have to sort out a USB to Serial convertor.

gtmatt

14-01-2009, 09:49

Also need to look to see if your Laptop has a serial connector, else your going to have to sort out a USB to Serial convertor.

and if you have a ibm thinckpad laptop it has a serial connector on it so theres no need for a usb to serial adaptor:)

Mudslinger

14-01-2009, 10:28

am i right in saying the serial connector on the laptop is the 5 pins on the top and 4 pins on the bottom connection ? if it is ,im guessing the ecu end is the same ?

Mudslinger

14-01-2009, 10:39

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=97740

is this the right cable ?

Mudslinger

14-01-2009, 12:50

anybody? saves me the hassle of having to take it back if its the wrong cable ?

warpspeed

14-01-2009, 12:55

Yep that's the right one, same as mine:)

markey b

14-01-2009, 14:30

serial plug is the same as a monitor plug.... just be aware lol

Mudslinger

17-01-2009, 09:47

Aye its a 9 pin serial cable 2 x male ends

it turned out i got hold of the wrong cable as it needs a male end to plug to lap top and a female end for the ecu :crap:

i managed to get hold of another cable with a usb convertor but for the life of me i couldnt find a driver for it to work with vista and to top it off the battery was ****ed aswell :crap:

Mart

17-01-2009, 09:57

Aren't the Omex ecus usually locked out/password protected? Might wanna check with your man at AVA before you stress about getting the ecu hooked upto your computer, unless he's cool with giving you the password...or it hasn't been locked in the first place :D

If not, I wouldn't mind seeing a screen dump or 2 of the maps...

Scoff

17-01-2009, 11:45

you need to be carefull with gender changers on serial leads. the lead you want for omex/gems is a straight through D9 male to female, same as adaptronic as it happens. if you were to buy a null modem lead (cross over lead) and then put a gender changer on one end it won't work.

Scoff

17-01-2009, 11:47

your also naming your genders wrong, it goes by the gender of the pin, not the body ;)

Andrew Cooke

17-01-2009, 11:50

Scoff

17-01-2009, 11:53

thankfully you won't blow anything to pieces though :smashpc:

Bruce - BHPerformance

17-01-2009, 11:53

Scoffski, can you put a link up for a cable to suit the adaptronic with USB as the one I bought off Ebay doesn't get recognised but the one I borrow from Gav does. He got his from Omex and they want silly money. Cheers matey.:)

Scoff

17-01-2009, 11:54

serial leads are always a pain, it's a given that however you wire 2 and 3 it'll be wrong:cry:

atleast you can bank on 5 ;)

Scoff

17-01-2009, 12:00

bruce, it's a hit and miss thing with USB to serial :( some work on some machines and not others regardless of converter type. lots of people have problems with them. try to avoid USB at all cost, find yourself an old laptop with a comport.

OUTLAW

17-01-2009, 12:19

was thinking of up-grading to one of these ecu`s...allows me to controll everything from my lappy..? will it fit the 5? any ideas guys?;)
www.emeraldm3d.com (http://www.emeraldm3d.com)

Mudslinger

17-01-2009, 12:22

your also naming your genders wrong, it goes by the gender of the pin, not the body ;)

I was thinking that myself , the post by Ashy made me think i had the genders wrong ,so went with the non pin/body side being male :cartman:

Im only really wanting to adjust the rev limit ,and have a browse of the software at the moment ,its got so many features which i probably wouldnt have a clue how to set up ,but id like to learn abit about it although the user manual is pretty vague and doesnt offer much of a step by step guidance to a novice :scratch:

Personnally if it was helping anybody id give the screen dumps out but im not sure what AVA's stance on that would be ,maybe something i need to disscuss first ;)

Scoff

20-01-2009, 00:41

you wouldn't be teaching me anything new, don't worry :D

Just beware with the rev limit, make sure your maps (both ign and fuel) both cater for any additional rpm your going to add. they want to be flat from your current limit to the new limit atleast. I see some mappers literally tune upto the limit, after that the map is either non existant or nonsence numbers.

Os8472

20-01-2009, 17:18

was thinking of up-grading to one of these ecu`s...allows me to controll everything from my lappy..? will it fit the 5? any ideas guys?;)
www.emeraldm3d.com (http://www.emeraldm3d.com)

I have an emerald on my EFI conversion, its bloody fantastic, yeah its not quite as plug and play as the adaptronic, if your just gunna use it for the ignition it shouldn't be to diffecult getting it to read the flywheel but if your going for EFI you'll either have to change the flywheel or get a timing wheel put on your bottom pulley, I did and it works fine

Scoff

20-01-2009, 20:56

Ashy

20-01-2009, 21:03

there isn't anything plug and play about an adaptronic.

Think they shuld put a warning on the box "Engineering Degree Required"... plug & play LMAO that DaveGTA's sales pitch!!

Os8472

21-01-2009, 07:41

there isn't anything plug and play about an adaptronic. DTA and some others offer off-the-shelf looms for cars and failing that off-the-shelf universal looms with sensors ready to go. Adaptronic comes with a bare loom, not a plug in sight.

I didn't mean quite like that, I meant more that somehow it still reads the standard flywheel, don't ask me how that works, I've only just got to grips with 36-1 timing wheel, never mind the R5's timing marks

Rob@Backyardracing

21-01-2009, 07:57

I didn't mean quite like that, I meant more that somehow it still reads the standard flywheel, don't ask me how that works, I've only just got to grips with 36-1 timing wheel, never mind the R5's timing marks

The adaptronic reads the std GT flywheel? please show me? if this is what your trying to say?

Os8472

21-01-2009, 08:24

The adaptronic reads the std GT flywheel? please show me? if this is what your trying to say?

Thats what I was told, but then again half of what I get told is bollox anyway, same as what I say lol:D:D:D

Bigfoot

21-01-2009, 08:34

I have the adaptronic reading the standard flywheel

RussellT

21-01-2009, 09:45

I use one of these

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=29968#features

Mudslinger

21-01-2009, 17:19

I use one of these

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=29968#features

did u have probs getting a driver for this convertor ?

the laptop i had planned to use was my bosses from work its got a serial port,i need to use it occasionally at work and its been lying on my desk for the past 3 months ,i installed the software and was ready to go ,then 30 mins before i was about to leave he came and asked me to set it up in his office :( feckin typical

anyway i managed to get a laptop of my m8 but it aint got a serial port so ive got the convertor to make it usb ,and for some reason i cant get any drivers to make it work , i have a feeling its maybe due to vista :crap:

Mudslinger

21-01-2009, 17:23

also the usb convertor was not a direct link to the ecu as you cant fully locate the pins due to the threaded blocks on each side stopping it .

so you would still require the male /female serial cable :crap:

Rob@Backyardracing

21-01-2009, 18:38

I have the adaptronic reading the standard flywheel

The GT or clio flywheel?

Rob@Backyardracing

21-01-2009, 18:48

I use one of these

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=29968#features

Thats similer to mine i got from maplin, seems to work ok for me but did have a few issues with trigger offset but id put that down to something other than the lead. All live readings worked fine etc... Oh as for the pins removed them from the ecu so the lead will fit but off course wont screw up :)

Scoff

21-01-2009, 21:23

bigfoot, good stuff, most guys have issues with the renix pattern. adaptronic themselves have looked at the pattern since and agreed that it'll most likely be problematic. some cars would faulter at higher rpm's, some would run 50% of the time depending on where the crank landed when the engine was shut off. I don't waste time on it these days.

Scoff

21-01-2009, 21:24

by the way, the removal of the double tooth in the renix pattern should suffice, you can code up the adaptronic to read the rest just fine.

DaveAVT

20-02-2009, 02:14

there isn't anything plug and play about an adaptronic. DTA and some others offer off-the-shelf looms for cars and failing that off-the-shelf universal looms with sensors ready to go. Adaptronic comes with a bare loom, not a plug in sight.

I (Adaptronic) do plug and play looms for various vehicles, and if you remember I offered an ignition only P&P loom for the R5GT, and fuel/ig P&P looms for the GTA/21/Clio/19 16v etc..:)