what car?

[SCHWARTZ]

Looking for a rwd or 4wd car with a fair bit of grunt pref small and fun:D so far its the EVO that's getting the vote. Needs to be practical as an every day car and quite reliable with 4/5 seats.
Main prob is that I'm looking at around 4k would like something a bit retro but with modern running gear. Any suggestions?:D

[TopCat]

Looking for a rwd or 4wd car with a fair bit of grunt pref small and fun:D so far its the EVO that's getting the vote. Needs to be practical as an every day car and quite reliable with 4/5 seats.
Main prob is that I'm looking at around 4k would like something a bit retro but with modern running gear. Any suggestions?:D

Capri :)

[Logg]

Volvo 740 estate turbo. But I guess that's not small but would be fun and very tuneable.

[SCHWARTZ]

Was thinking 340 but I can't be ****ed to do the work so would have to be done up all ready.

[SCHWARTZ]

Capri:laugh: there quite cool don't know about an all right one in my price range thi.

[Logg]

Was thinking 340 but I can't be ****ed to do the work so would have to be done up all ready.

Yeah would need a fair bit of work as a c1j or bf18 would need major manifold mods to make fit plus a custom clutch. I guess a 172 lump would work well but then no boost also no lsd :cry:

[SCHWARTZ]

Was thinking of 360ing the 5 have the gearbox at the back etc... But want something that I can just drive now and not worry about it so as they come is the best bet.

[5teve L]

You can pick up Evo 5's for little over 4k if you look about now Gary. Or you are looking at Subaru's, good, fun cars but juicy.

[SCHWARTZ]

Don't want a poobaru just don't like em. Was looking at EVO 5s as I like the look more than the 6 and thats what's getting the vote so far but was looking at otther options. I really like the Nissan gtir but just worried about reliability.:rolleyes:

[TopCat]

Capri:laugh: there quite cool don't know about an all right one in my price range thi.

You'll be surprised mate- Scotty sold a good one and only sold it for 2K ish.

:)

[Adey aka Ewok]

mazda 6 mps?

[SCHWARTZ]

They look like they may be a bit big and boring to drive.

[Trevhib]

Beat me to it by ten minutes Adey :agree:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-MAZDA-MAZDA6-2-3T-MPS-AWD-4DR-FSH-/251335105059?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a84bd5a23

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2006-MAZDA-MAZDA6-2-3T-MPS-AWD-4DR-FSH-/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/z/MVsAAOxy-gBSBnnI/$(KGrHqVHJCUFH6s!BBMnBSBnnHk8cw~~60_12.JPG

[Trevhib]

No bigger than an Evo I'd guess. My mate's MPS is the opposite of boring. The thing is rapid (lightly tuned). Tbh, not sure on the handling but the grip is phenomenal, Clarkson appears to like the way it drives - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbvKv-PofzM ("I have driven £100k coupes that are less fun than this").

[SCHWARTZ]

Hmmm Il have a look at them as well then.

[SCHWARTZ]

Didn't realise they were 4wd 2.3t defo have a look but they look a bit too sophisticated for me:laugh:

[James5]

Don't want a poobaru just don't like em. Was looking at EVO 5s as I like the look more than the 6 and thats what's getting the vote so far but was looking at otther options. I really like the Nissan gtir but just worried about reliability.:rolleyes:


Love my Evo 6 I highly recomend an Evo, not really had any major problems with it starts and runs first and everytime. Have to use V power fuelyou get about 120 -200miles on a tank dependant on driving. Fuel gauges aren't very reliable so just reset your odometer every time you fill up and to be honest I top my tank up everytime I go out in it :laugh:.

Other than the AYC and top mounts knocking (coilovers about to be fitted and refurbed AYC pump purchased) all is good and runs really well for a car just under 400bhp.

If you do go down the Evo route a few things to check on the Evo 4,5,6 and newer models AYC is working make sure bulbs not removed from rear of dash:crap: (easy to look 6 screws and dash clocks are out), Rust as not undersealed as made for Japanase weather even ralliart imports were not undersealed so check if it's just surface rust your lucky (like mine easy fix), also suspension knocks although most now run aftermarket the standard suspension and mounts are known to knock. Other than that the usual car check's engine noise's, smoke etc...

HPI check's:agree:

[JRP]

Audi B5 s4 stretch and get the rs4 so much fun to drive :)

[Adey aka Ewok]

Audi B5 s4 stretch and get the rs4 so much fun to drive :)
agree with that, had an s4. understeers abit but quick on the flat, very quick above 80 with about 350bhp, ran 12.6sqm. couldnt afford an rs4 though :crap: nearly every job in the bay requires major surgery, replacing my manifolds was 3 days and engine out job on my drive

[Andy M]

Try finding an RS4 for £4k, even if looking at old B5's!

A mate at work is selling an 53 plate S3 Quattro, nice clean car, well looked after (recent clutch, DMF, belts etc) & well within within your budget. Pretty sure you could haggle to sub £3k. Could get some more details if you like??

[JRP]

Try finding an RS4 for £4k, even if looking at old B5's!

A mate at work is selling an 53 plate S3 Quattro, nice clean car, well looked after (recent clutch, DMF, belts etc) & well within within your budget. Pretty sure you could haggle to sub £3k. Could get some more details if you like??

I did say stretch and get... As in double your money

[SCHWARTZ]

Just seen a madza 6 mps and they look a bit to executive for me. I do like the a3 but not as much as the EVO. Was looking for something a bit rarer than an s3 like you don't see too many evos

[JRP]

Just seen a madza 6 mps and they look a bit to executive for me. I do like the a3 but not as much as the EVO. Was looking for something a bit rarer than an s3 like you don't see too many evos

Evo ... Deep pockets when it goes wrong

[Guybrush]

+1 For RS4.

Old BMW M3
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201308208393284/

I'd say you'd be better going for a 2 seater like a MK2 MR2. Then having another family wagon.

[Bigfoot]

I thought I would never say go for diesel but the BMW 330D and get it mapped :smokin:

[Trevhib]

:agree:

[Guybrush]

I thought I would never say go for diesel but the BMW 330D and get it mapped :smokin:

Well if you're talking diesel, then the Skoda Octy/Fabia RS Diesel, with a map. The VAG 2.0 Tdi is a sweet engine.

[James5]

Evo ... Deep pockets when it goes wrong


Same could be said for anything VAG, BMW :agree: all depends what needs doing and your capabilities if you can do the work yourself it it's just parts cost if you can't that's when it get's expensive:agree:

[Andy M]

Fcuk post 2006 VAG dervs, headaches with DPFs could end up costing over £1500 to resolve. Not worth the hassle imo.

[R5MJH]

im with jim my subaru impreza uk turbo ive had 3 years never had a problem, only ever lifted bonnet to check oil/water

ultra reliable but sh1t on fuel like the evo, but gives a good buzz and a nice burble like your 5 gaz

[Nad-5GTT]

Fcuk post 2006 VAG dervs, headaches with DPFs could end up costing over £1500 to resolve. Not worth the hassle imo.

:agree: I got rid of my st tdci mondeo because of problems that were about to happen, it had just got to the 90,000 mile mark and the repairs would have cost me thousands:eek: I did get 4 years problem free motoring from it mind before it started mucking about. Got myself a nice M sport E90 325i bmw. I'd never get a diesel again, especially after speaking to a well informed diesel specialist, he put me right off them.

[The new Bill J]

Same could be said for anything VAG, BMW :agree: all depends what needs doing and your capabilities if you can do the work yourself it it's just parts cost if you can't that's when it get's expensive:agree:

Evo parts aren't exactly cheap! As an example: Shocks for my 172 from Renault cost £35 per corner - Made by KYB. Shocks for the Evo from Mitsubishi - Made by KYB - £200 per corner :laugh:

[Nad-5GTT]

Skyline R32 :) starting to look old skool.

[Adey aka Ewok]

Fcuk post 2006 VAG dervs, headaches with DPFs could end up costing over £1500 to resolve. Not worth the hassle imo.

i know a few with the later stuff that have problems. my 02 a4 avant 1.9 tdi has 180k on still on and goes like stink still returns over 50mpg with ease mapped up

[andybond]

Another vote for a fabia VRS.

Just happens so a mate is selling his red un ..

[rs250nut]

e36 m3, coupe not a convertible, mapped and de limited are good for 170+, also never had any trouble seeing off evos subarus etc

[Andy M]

Skyline R32 :) starting to look old skool.

:agree:

Defo old skool cool. Possibly single turbo 33's could be in price range too?

[andybond]

:agree:

Defo old skool cool. Possibly single turbo 33's could be in price range too?

and pay the skyline tax when things go wrong ?

Like lots of cars out there, it appears buying them is the cheap bit :cry:

[Andy M]

i know a few with the later stuff that have problems. my 02 a4 avant 1.9 tdi has 180k on still on and goes like stink still returns over 50mpg with ease mapped up

Which company's map mate, REVO? Mine isn't so frugal unless driven ridiculously careful!!

Fairly sure previous owner had mine remapped (same car) as it goes well but can be a bit thirsty at 36mpg round town driven with lead foot.

[R5MJH]

my mate had a r33 gts that was quick matey 350/400 hp, made my subaru look like it was going backwards:laugh::laugh:

[Adey aka Ewok]

Which company's map mate, REVO? Mine isn't so frugal unless driven ridiculously careful!!

Fairly sure previous owner had mine remapped (same car) as it goes well but can be a bit thirsty at 36mpg round town driven with lead foot.

black smoke remap on there, a diy one, one above the the off the shelf one as i wanted a bit more poke. i did open the airbox up and smash out the cat which i think helped alot with the mpg

[SCHWARTZ]

I like the old skylines they look cool and not that seen but its in the same boat as the EVO and out the two id go for thé EVO. I dont Want a 2seater as I would be needing to throw **** in the back etc...

[SCHWARTZ]

I do like the old m3's and you cant argue with their reliability but i think that It would feel slow. I like the look of the new ones but don't like the stigma attached il have a look at those tho.

[car.crash]

Your looking at some pretty epic cars for peanuts.
Expect problems from anything you buy if your going from the above list on that budget

[SCHWARTZ]

Can't afford an rs4 could prob afford an m3 but its not really me. I don't want a big expensive car something small and fun really but 4 or rwd.

[The new Bill J]

Can't afford an rs4 could prob afford an m3 but its not really me. I don't want a big expensive car something small and fun really but 4 or rwd.

You don't want an expensive car, but you want an Evo? :scratch: :laugh:

You don't want a big car, but you want a 4 door saloon? :scratch: :laugh:

Basically, you want an Evo, so go and buy one, if you can find a good one. There's a couple of reasons why you don't see as many these days:

Because they're relatively cheap to buy, plenty of people buy them and can't afford to fix them when they break. They then get broken as they're worth more in parts.

They are knocking on a bit now, and they're rotting, BADLY. There's a lot of cars out there that look mint, but they rot from the inside out (the rear chassis rails is a common place - They look fine, until you stick a camera inside them). You think 5's are bad - Some of the Evo's out there now are truly shocking :(

[fat roofer]

Looking for a rwd or 4wd car with a fair bit of grunt pref small and fun:D so far its the EVO that's getting the vote. Needs to be practical as an every day car and quite reliable with 4/5 seats.
Main prob is that I'm looking at around 4k would like something a bit retro but with modern running gear. Any suggestions?:D

Just throwing it out there as I had one and enjoyed the experience........ 944 turbo...?

[SCHWARTZ]

Tbh I like the gtir but that's made of chocolate:laugh:

[5teve L]

I always fancied a GTiR, been put off by the box tales... but every car has it's problems I suppose.
Those that say Audi S3/4, yeah, nice cars, but as expensive to fix as an Evo & half as quick.. Haldex is proper ****e as well.
I've had a fair few cars, S3, Evo 5, Astra Sri Turbo, Subaru's, 5's, Rover turbo's, Uno turbo..
Still the 2 cars that give me the buzz & I'd have again are the R5 gt turbo & Evo.. Subaru is a bit less harsh to run about in but the Evo just edges it with the rawness IMO.

[SCHWARTZ]

EVO is still ticking the most boxes for ke. At the end of the day I don't want to drive a car I don't like I.e m3 even though they are avgreat car there's something about them I don't like.
I was thinking the gtir may be a little like a mix of an EVO and a 5 withought the looks:laugh:

[rs250nut]

Your not going to get hold of a decent evo for 4 grand though dude, when i have looked at those sort of cars in recent months you need to be spending a fair bit more than that to get something that does not need a whole bunch of money spending on it.

[SCHWARTZ]

That's the biggest problem money but then if I were going to spend 6k on an EVO is get a delta:laugh:

[Adey aka Ewok]

Haldex on the s3, s4 has proper 4wd no electronics, and half as fast? Don't think so, Eco with the same power might have u off the line but 2 turbos and 2.7l of v6 will soon see him off. My s4 would regularly and with ease dispatch itself well past 150mph. Reliable but do cost abit if they go wrong and solid with not much in the way rust issues

[Guybrush]

Why not just settle for FWD and buy another Renault? :)
Lots of choice for 4k.

[James5]

That's the biggest problem money but then if I were going to spend 6k on an EVO is get a delta:laugh:


LOL you won't get a delta for under £12k :laugh: Gary you really need £5 - 6k to even consider an evo 5 or 6 you may then be able to haggle the seller a bit.

Break your 5 for the good bits get what you can and scrap the shell or sell shell on. Your R5 is prob worth more in parts than as a working car although all yours needs is a spray job but then it's the cost of that the buyer will look at unless they have contacts whom can sort cheap:agree:

[Adey aka Ewok]

Why not just settle for FWD and buy another Renault? :)
Lots of choice for 4k.

fun practical fwd car..... honda accord type r. lsd as standard, recaros as standard and go very well. 4 doors and a boot and a big one at that. cheap easy to work on but no turbo. remap is needed to get the vtec to sing a little better. i like the look of the pre face lifts better as they had extra bumper lips though the later ones had a stronger gearbox, most have been rebuilt by now. h22a7 engine produces more power than the prelude version and you will have change from 4k :agree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zuOAUgYaP0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlZ_hLE3Ujw

[Guybrush]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlZ_hLE3Ujw

love the "related videos" on the side. "Sexy Gisele - Off Roading" etc ;)

[SCHWARTZ]

Was thinking 172 turbo. But would want to buy it all ready done. Wouldn't be able to get an integrale EVO but an integrale he 16v I could:D

[James5]

Was thinking 172 turbo. But would want to buy it all ready done. Wouldn't be able to get an integrale EVO but an integrale he 16v I could:D

You don't want much LOL done already :agree:Clio's a good idea cheap to buy and everyone has a clio so parts easily available.
And if you do the turbo on a budget yourself I reckon you could do it all for £4k including buying the clio:agree: Keep your MS, turbo and intercooler and re-use in the clio:agree:

[scratcher]

I loved my Evo 5, I'd have another tomorrow.

But being a practical daily isn't their thing really. 30 liter tanks on 19mpg cars don't get you many miles. From Luton to the Surrey meet and back done a tank. But if you don't mind filling up every 100 milds than they're brilliant!

[Trevhib]

All the original requirements seem to have gone out of the window, or new ones come in to dispatch good suggestions, lol. It's a free for all!

[R5MJH]

what about this gaz


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DEPOSIT-HOLDING-NISSAN-SKYLINE-R33GTST-MANUAL-TURBO-SUPERB-EXAMPLE-/221233571712?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item33828c6780#ht_1296wt_1119

[5teve L]

What about this (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MACWESTER-26-NEW-20-HP-3-CYL-BETA-DIESEL-INBOARD-/221275790950?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Sailing_Boats_ET ) :D

[Guybrush]

What about this (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MACWESTER-26-NEW-20-HP-3-CYL-BETA-DIESEL-INBOARD-/221275790950?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Sailing_Boats_ET ) :D
bilge pumps always go on those :)

[kial]

M3 !

Take one out and it will change your mind change your mind. I know what your saying about them i was the same before i got it, but now i can't fault mine which I use every day bud..

[SCHWARTZ]

What about this (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MACWESTER-26-NEW-20-HP-3-CYL-BETA-DIESEL-INBOARD-/221275790950?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Sailing_Boats_ET ) :D

:laugh: shame its a diesel:rolleyes:

[SCHWARTZ]

Its still EVO winning. I will go out and test drive an m3 I know there a brilliant car mechanically I would like to see how they feel to drive. Looked at Mitsubishi gto twin turbos but think they would feel big and lumbery.

[SCHWARTZ]

Mick I wouldn't mind a skyline but its in the same boat as the EVO and in that case the EVO wins.

[5teve L]

Just buy a feckin Evo & be done with it man !

[SCHWARTZ]

any news on your mates 4 yet matey? realistically a 4 is more in my price range I also really like the look of the older ones but just dont want the engine round the other way:rolleyes:

[Andy M]

If your toying with an M3 see if you can get stu21 to take you form blast in his, it doesn't hang about!

[SCHWARTZ]

hopefully he will pop down in it to the next surrey meet:D

[James5]

hopefully he will pop down in it to the next surrey meet:D


Don't forget Stu's is no ordinary M3 isn't it an M3 GT quiet a rare version

[rs250nut]

I think stus is a gt model and fetch quit a few more quid than your standard e36 m3, it has different spoilers splitters etc along with a half leather half alcantara trim with a one off British racing green paint work, some came with aluminium doors, don't think they had much extra in the engine department as they were the 3.0 litre, later came the 3.2 evo which had another 35hp.

[Trevhib]

:agree: have a look at the M3 GT register website http://www.m3gtregister.com/

[SCHWARTZ]

Why do I allways like the look of the older ones:rolleyes:

[5teve L]

My brother had an oldschool M5, that didn't hang about & LSD = :burnrubber:
Or if you can handle the tip box, the C32 AMG is a lovely car for the money, SC & 350 bhp out the box.. loads of room, 3x3 belts in the rear...

[R5MJH]

My brother had an oldschool M5, that didn't hang about & LSD = :burnrubber:
Or if you can handle the tip box, the C32 AMG is a lovely car for the money, SC & 350 bhp out the box.. loads of room, 3x3 belts in the rear...


dont know why gaz started this thread steve, he said he wanted a evo @ the start and will end up with one i bet:laugh::laugh:

[car.crash]

Cavalier

http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/156498/vauxhall-cavalier-turbo-bridgwater-somerset?page=1#post-1836576

[SCHWARTZ]

That cavalier looks awesome bit like a lotus Carlton. Yes Mick will prob end up with an EVO but its nice to look at something different that I havnt thought of all ready.

[James5]

Cavalier

http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/156498/vauxhall-cavalier-turbo-bridgwater-somerset?page=1#post-1836576


Good call love these my old man had one of these when they came out in the 90's was a black one with smoked rear light's.

I can see you in one of these Gary very cool :agree:

[turbo ted]

stop pissing about and just get this renault:D


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281165979531?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648

[jesus in the seat of a 5]

stop pissing about and just get this renault:D


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281165979531?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648

Theres your answer right there.......:agree::cool:

[Trevhib]

Cavalier - that's lovely, always wanted one. Crying out for a twin pipe exhaust.

21 Quadra - Now that looks like a decent motor. Strong money for a 21 though?

[SCHWARTZ]

love the look of the 21 quadra just not the performance:sad2:

[turbo ted]

top end performance 21 turbo 150mph+ will leave your evo behind:smokin: its not all about bhp figures that make a quick car:agree:

[SCHWARTZ]

Having never driven either of them, what's the 21's handling like? We know the EVO handles well but I havnt really heard much about the 21.

[SCHWARTZ]

£1700 to insure an EVO 4:eek: still waiting for the Adrian flux quote:rolleyes:
£650 to insure Audi s3 may go for an audi:laugh:

[car.crash]

Cupra R will be even cheaper.
Round and round we go.

[James5]

£1700 to insure an EVO 4:eek: still waiting for the Adrian flux quote:rolleyes:
£650 to insure Audi s3 may go for an audi:laugh:


Crikey you tried Paul ward they are evo specialist broker insurers on the MLR forum supposed to be good. I am with admiral on the e6 fully compe, declared everything and my codes £977 for the year

[The new Bill J]

Pace Ward, not Paul :laugh:

Elephant for me - £300 fully comp'

[James5]

Pace Ward, not Paul :laugh:

Elephant for me - £300 fully comp'

Paul Ward :laugh: Thats the one

£300:eek: I take it they think std:agree:

[The new Bill J]

Paul Ward :laugh: Thats the one

£300:eek: I take it they think std:agree:

Nope - Everything declared. It's a UK car, which I'm guessing helped.

My feckin oe Clio costs more :laugh:

[James5]

Nope - Everything declared. It's a UK car, which I'm guessing helped.

My feckin oe Clio costs more :laugh:


:agree: + I bet you have limited mileage to 0:D

If you need parts I have a friend whom is currently breaking an e6 RS and also last month broke his e5 GSR as worth more in parts. Bill if you need anything let me know.

[The new Bill J]

:agree: + I bet you have limited mileage to 0:D

.

10k :D

[5teve L]

£1700 to insure an EVO 4:eek: still waiting for the Adrian flux quote:rolleyes:
£650 to insure Audi s3 may go for an audi:laugh:

:crap: try A-plan for the Evo.

[SCHWARTZ]

I only did a quick comparison site check to give me some idea need to check properly when I'm next on the computer not phone:rolleyes:

[scratcher]

may go for an audi:laugh:

A coustomer just dropped round a lovely RS6 Avant. The gadgets in it are so cool. V8 twin turbo too :eek:
No idea how much these are but from just sitting in it, I'd pick this over an Evo 4 :agree:

[SCHWARTZ]

dont think the rs6 will be in my price range:laugh: seen a few s4's in range but think an s3 would be more fun to drive.

[Flight666]

Had a standard S3 few years back hated it worse car I ever bought lame power probably due to the extra weight of the car, crap handling, poor quality interior trim,door bottoms going rusty when it was 8yrs old..Sold an impreza classic turbo 2000 standard UK wagon to get the S3 as well, the wagon drove like a dream was a fantastic allround car handling was just epic power delivery for standard was superb, if you drove the S3 like you could the impreza you would end up in a ditch each and every time you pushed it the S3 was nice enough to look at but that was about it..:)

[car.crash]

The old s3 looks dated and crap.
Why would you pick that over the leon.

[SCHWARTZ]

Thought we had another contender there but looks like were back to just the EVO.:laugh:

[SCHWARTZ]

The old s3 looks dated and crap.
Why would you pick that over the leon.

Sorry s3 Quattro 4 or rwd :D

[car.crash]

Just buy a feckin Evo. :wasntme:

[SCHWARTZ]

Gona do some proper ins quotes on an EVO 2moz and see what they come out at and go from there.

[SCHWARTZ]

Allways been a fan of the EVO over the impreza but that's just looks, anyone driven both that can comment on the differences between the two? Impreza can be had a lot cheaper but is a lot more common so think that's why I go for the evo.:scratch:

[R5MJH]

as you know gary ive got a subaru impreza turbo uk model, my mate had a evo which i drove theres not much in it tbh, what id say thou is if you get a scub and want to save on tax get a pre 2001 as they are cheaper tax than the later years as the rules for tax changed my uk model is 220 bhp standard, blitz panel filter, hks dump and a prodrive exhaust and is fast enough for me, insurance is 550 but my area is high for insurance quotes just to let ya know, if you aint got one by november meet ill bring my rust bucket and give you a rip:laugh::laugh:

[5teve L]

Impreza is alot softer to drive, more comfortable on the road, the Evo is quite harsh in comparison. (throttle response etc.)
Evo engine will last longer prob as the older sti/wrx oil pumps like to give up & do the bottom ends. Later evo's are better as the 4's suffer crank walk. All have pro's & cons, scooby has no AYC, you can get type R's that have the adj diff which can be fun...

[SCHWARTZ]

Adrian flux quoted 930 so better just waiting for pace ward to call me back its getting better but still a fair bit:rolleyes: