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Big Steve - Raider
24-01-2013, 22:19
That's why we need bigger committee :)
:agree: But that's what we've achieved this week isn't it? That's how I feel? New year new ideas & all that.
That's why we need bigger committee :)
Get out Steve, If your publicly being outed be a fellow member of the committee over who's done more
Leading on from other thread, Robbo is right that there are hardly any committee left. I personally have invested three full days this week into the RTOC. How about you?
Three days that I NEEDED to be doing other stuff, but here the need was greater but I'm not going to carry on putting in the hours like I used to. The load needs to be better shared.
Sorry I ment to quote this not previous
Big Steve - Raider
24-01-2013, 22:21
Get out Steve, If your publicly being outed be a fellow member of the committee over who's done more
Yeah i think my time is through TBH
You have been great for the role, let that not be forgotten if you step down
Maybe the committee should all resign and let anarchy take over? Marxism in action with a new RTOC rising from the Ashes?
Or we could be responsible, take charge, have a management structure and try and do it right.
Maybe the committee should all resign and let anarchy take over? Marxism in action with a new RTOC rising from the Ashes?
Or we could be responsible, take charge, have a management structure and try and do it right.
Be a dictator Ian
car.crash
24-01-2013, 22:23
Are we adjusting the price or not?
I'm lost over the whole thing now.
:agree: But that's what we've achieved this week isn't it? That's how I feel? New year new ideas & all that.Yes it's very good and worth the effort. :)
Big Steve - Raider
24-01-2013, 22:26
Are we adjusting the price or not?
I'm lost over the whole thing now.
:laugh:
It does look like we are going to be adjusting the price when we can figure out exactly how to :) Pages and papers have to be adjusted. How do we adjust the two tier system? Will what we do work as we want it to? These matters are under investigation.
Matt Cole
24-01-2013, 22:30
Maybe the committee should all resign and let anarchy take over? Marxism in action with a new RTOC rising from the Ashes?
Or we could be responsible, take charge, have a management structure and try and do it right.
:agree:
It's all gone anul. :nohijack: :argue:
I don't know why this was ever posted for member input. Threads like this only ever go one way :disagree:
RTOC at its best :coffee:
Matt Cole
24-01-2013, 22:54
I don't know why this was ever posted for member input. Threads like this only ever go one way :disagree:
RTOC at its best :coffee:
:agree: could have had a quick committee vote and bobs ya aunty!:cry:
I don't know how you can say that Ashy when this thread has led to 3 new committee members and at lest 6 new members. Facebook feedback, a Youtube channel, a twitter account and more besides. It's done the club a power of good. And everyone who said, seems OK with £15 renewal.
Lots of good ideas and positives from the thread.
Tony Walker
24-01-2013, 23:31
this thread has led to 3 new committee members and at lest 6 new members. Facebook feedback, a Youtube channel, a twitter account and more besides. It's done the club a power of good. And everyone who said, seems OK with £15 renewal.
:agree:
What role did Jrp go for in the end or what was he given ???? :)
So far it was Ross and Chris to do events and Romil to do various things. And Haz who has been quietly running the shop for some months.
I don't know why this was ever posted for member input. Threads like this only ever go one way :disagree:
RTOC at its best :coffee:
:confused:
One of the most positive threads I've ever seen on here. These changes may well be the club's saving grace.
this thread has led to 3 new committee members and at lest 6 new members. Facebook feedback, a Youtube channel, a twitter account and more besides. It's done the club a power of good. And everyone who said, seems OK with £15 renewal.
^ Incase you haven't read through this thread, Ashy...
car.crash
25-01-2013, 06:43
What role did Jrp go for in the end or what was he given ???? :)
Health and safety officer.
Penfold aka The Dealer
25-01-2013, 07:04
What role did Jrp go for in the end or what was he given ???? :)
Penis Enlargement officer
I don't know why this was ever posted for member input. Threads like this only ever go one way :disagree:
RTOC at its best :coffee:
It was posted as I/the committee wanted to hear what the members had to say/think about the price increase rather than making the decision for the whole club with 5/6 committee people :)
This thread has been very positive for sure :agree:
Re the price increase, yes it should be going ahead soon. I beleive I know how to alter the website to accomodate the price change, we just need to alter a few pages to reflect the price. Once done I'll make an announcement ;)
What role did Jrp go for in the end or what was he given ???? :)
Be serious I'm not wanted, only re lit the flyer idea etc. the committee would die before wanting me on board
:disagree:
Health and safety officer.
:agree:
car.crash
25-01-2013, 08:31
Be serious I'm not wanted, only re lit the flyer idea etc. the committee would die before wanting me on board
:bothered: please listen to this whilst reading, makes it more dramatic.
http://youtu.be/jAImc0EfuAU
:bothered: please listen to this whilst reading, makes it more dramatic.
http://youtu.be/jAImc0EfuAU
Lol
I don't know how you can say that Ashy when this thread has led to 3 new committee members and at lest 6 new members. Facebook feedback, a Youtube channel, a twitter account and more besides. It's done the club a power of good. And everyone who said, seems OK with £15 renewal.
I'm glad my negative take on it resulted in a group hug!
As one or two have said, this thread has been totally different from the others of its type. Things have actually happened this time! More even than has been listed in Ian's post.
It's been a breath of fresh air and it's come not a moment too soon IMO. Who started the thread? The committee. Who has been responsible for ringing the changes? The members. Brilliant!
Matt - I agree with you totally. I have always been an advocate of a committee based leadership for this club. Sometimes however a bit of anarchy can be good for re-energising and/or refreshing that committee and I hope this thread has had that affect. If so, we need to get the most out of it.
Jon, I think if you really want to get involved then there isn't anything stopping you mate. I mean that honestly. If you want to help this club, there are things to do. :)
Steve, I really hope you stay in your position, I think you do a great job. :agree:
Red October
25-01-2013, 12:13
This thread has saved RTOC IMO.
Either get on board or get out.
FB, Twitter, Youtube whatever the media outlet is going to be bringing this club kicking and screaming into 2013 wheather members like it or not.
Now is the time to let vendettas/issues/sarcasm off the boards and get rid of the clique mentality this club is dripping in.
Im glad Andy Blunt has decided to give the club another chance as will so many other members that have left due to the direction (lack of) the club has taken in recent times.
The FB page was looked upon as a threat and a problem that would/could ultimatley end RTOC (still a website but no ND or RRD). Stories of RTOC members PM-ing others to warn them off using FB??? :laugh: We're here to talk about the cars we love not shaft eachother.
I found a common ground with alot of the "outcasts" on FB and various other avenues after my issues with some members at ND12. I'd use RTOC for info and FB for fun/friends/laidback attitude and have made some good aquaintances and friends. I had no intrest conversing with members who basically couldnt be arsed to say hello. Id say alot of the problems/edge/sarcasm/(being borderline dicks) gives the club a bad rep is generated by a handful of members that think they have some kind of devine right to say and do what they want on here. Cut that out and your onto a winner because the vast amount of ordinary members share the same opinion. Fact.
There will be no naming of names this post is simply to highlight the core issue of the decline of memberships. I just hope the ones that know this is aimed at will take heed if what we are trying to do here is to succeed.
Ive been here less than 12 months and never felt a club member, ive been on FB 3 month and its like ive known some of the lads years. Why is that? I aint the only one!:confused: There is no agendas there as it is a new page with all NEW diverse members, not stagnating repetitive condesending attitudes from dinosaurs.
Ive dropped what happened to me n me mate at ND and put it down to experience. Ill be coming again this year with a bit more knowledge of the club and the way it works, bygones be bygones and look forward together for 2013.
As far as the membership goes id go as far to pay up to £35 to ensure good running of the club and get the best experience we can possible (FFS my xbox membership is £35).:) (or a nut and bolt from CGB):laugh:
Love it or hate it this is IMO, i have a MASSIVE ENTHUSIASM BACK FOR THE CLUBS ONCE AGAIN. Peace :p
soapymech
25-01-2013, 12:17
Steve, I really hope you stay in your position, I think you do a great job. :agree:
+1:agree:
As one or two have said, this thread has been totally different from the others of its type. Things have actually happened this time! More even than has been listed in Ian's post.
It's been a breath of fresh air and it's come not a moment too soon IMO. Who started the thread? The committee. Who has been responsible for ringing the changes? The members. Brilliant!
Matt - I agree with you totally. I have always been an advocate of a committee based leadership for this club. Sometimes however a bit of anarchy can be good for re-energising and/or refreshing that committee and I hope this thread has had that affect. If so, we need to get the most out of it.
Jon, I think if you really want to get involved then there isn't anything stopping you mate. I mean that honestly. If you want to help this club, there are things to do. :)
Steve, I really hope you stay in your position, I think you do a great job. :agree:
Trev, if helps needed and I can in anyway help, I'd be happy to, been a member for years and don't want to see Rtoc fail, I was lost when the site had the long down time period.. If I'm approached I'll seriously consider doing my best by the club. I know I'm flippant quite often, but that's just me... People that know me, know I'm not a baddy.
This thread has saved RTOC IMO.
Either get on board or get out.
FB, Twitter, Youtube whatever the media outlet is going to be bringing this club kicking and screaming into 2013 wheather members like it or not.
Now is the time to let vendettas/issues/sarcasm off the boards and get rid of the clique mentality this club is dripping in.
Im glad Andy Blunt has decided to give the club another chance as will so many other members that have left due to the direction (lack of) the club has taken in recent times.
The FB page was looked upon as a threat and a problem that would/could ultimatley end RTOC (still a website but no ND or RRD). Stories of RTOC members PM-ing others to warn them off using FB??? :laugh: We're here to talk about the cars we love not shaft eachother.
I found a common ground with alot of the "outcasts" on FB and various other avenues after my issues with some members at ND12. I'd use RTOC for info and FB for fun/friends/laidback attitude and have made some good aquaintances and friends. I had no intrest conversing with members who basically couldnt be arsed to say hello. Id say alot of the problems/edge/sarcasm/(being borderline dicks) gives the club a bad rep is generated by a handful of members that think they have some kind of devine right to say and do what they want on here. Cut that out and your onto a winner because the vast amount of ordinary members share the same opinion. Fact.
There will be no naming of names this post is simply to highlight the core issue of the decline of memberships. I just hope the ones that know this is aimed at will take heed if what we are trying to do here is to succeed.
Ive been here less than 12 months and never felt a club member, ive been on FB 3 month and its like ive known some of the lads years. Why is that? I aint the only one!:confused: There is no agendas there as it is a new page with all NEW diverse members, not stagnating repetitive condesending attitudes from dinosaurs.
Ive dropped what happened to me n me mate at ND and put it down to experience. Ill be coming again this year with a bit more knowledge of the club and the way it works, bygones be bygones and look forward together for 2013.
As far as the membership goes id go as far to pay up to £35 to ensure good running of the club and get the best experience we can possible (FFS my xbox membership is £35).:) (or a nut and bolt from CGB):laugh:
Love it or hate it this is IMO, i have a MASSIVE ENTHUSIASM BACK FOR THE CLUBS ONCE AGAIN. Peace :p
Good lad.:agree:
This thread has saved RTOC IMO.
Either get on board or get out.
FB, Twitter, Youtube whatever the media outlet is going to be bringing this club kicking and screaming into 2013 wheather members like it or not.
Now is the time to let vendettas/issues/sarcasm off the boards and get rid of the clique mentality this club is dripping in.
Im glad Andy Blunt has decided to give the club another chance as will so many other members that have left due to the direction (lack of) the club has taken in recent times.
The FB page was looked upon as a threat and a problem that would/could ultimatley end RTOC (still a website but no ND or RRD). Stories of RTOC members PM-ing others to warn them off using FB??? :laugh: We're here to talk about the cars we love not shaft eachother.
I found a common ground with alot of the "outcasts" on FB and various other avenues after my issues with some members at ND12. I'd use RTOC for info and FB for fun/friends/laidback attitude and have made some good aquaintances and friends. I had no intrest conversing with members who basically couldnt be arsed to say hello. Id say alot of the problems/edge/sarcasm/(being borderline dicks) gives the club a bad rep is generated by a handful of members that think they have some kind of devine right to say and do what they want on here. Cut that out and your onto a winner because the vast amount of ordinary members share the same opinion. Fact.
There will be no naming of names this post is simply to highlight the core issue of the decline of memberships. I just hope the ones that know this is aimed at will take heed if what we are trying to do here is to succeed.
Ive been here less than 12 months and never felt a club member, ive been on FB 3 month and its like ive known some of the lads years. Why is that? I aint the only one!:confused: There is no agendas there as it is a new page with all NEW diverse members, not stagnating repetitive condesending attitudes from dinosaurs.
Ive dropped what happened to me n me mate at ND and put it down to experience. Ill be coming again this year with a bit more knowledge of the club and the way it works, bygones be bygones and look forward together for 2013.
As far as the membership goes id go as far to pay up to £35 to ensure good running of the club and get the best experience we can possible (FFS my xbox membership is £35).:) (or a nut and bolt from CGB):laugh:
Love it or hate it this is IMO, i have a MASSIVE ENTHUSIASM BACK FOR THE CLUBS ONCE AGAIN. Peace :p
Fair comment, tactful too :) the dinosaurs you refer to quite often are just passionate and show it in varying ways. :agree:
Matt Cole
25-01-2013, 13:19
Matt - I agree with you totally. I have always been an advocate of a committee based leadership for this club. Sometimes however a bit of anarchy can be good for re-energising and/or refreshing that committee and I hope this thread has had that affect. If so, we need to get the most out of it.
Trev,
Agree with that.:agree: It's now up to the commitee to pull a list of actions together forecast for at least the next 12 months, with the individual tasks assigned to each committee memember (microsoft project is good for this). Each commitee member could then aproach the general members for help and other ideas on how to achieve each goal.
Unfortunately it will require someone to drive this forward and try and keep track of progress from all individuals. To me that's the first port of call, followed closely with a commitee meeting on what to do with this website in order for it to become flexible enough for all the clubs needs.
Matt
Trev,
Agree with that.:agree: It's now up to the commitee to pull a list of actions together forecast for at least the next 12 months, with the individual tasks assigned to each committee memember (microsoft project is good for this). Each commitee member could then aproach the general members for help and other ideas on how to achieve each goal.
Unfortunately it will require someone to drive this forward and try and keep track of progress from all individuals. To me that's the first port of call, followed closely with a commitee meeting on what to do with this website in order for it to become flexible enough for all the clubs needs.
Matt
Almost like a role of success coach is required, to keep spirits up and help those people helping already. I'd back you into this role, can't fault your enthusiasm and vision/sensible outlook.
Is there an echo in here. This is the exact role I was describing earlier and the person I have my eye on for it is Jon :laugh:
In all seriousness, that role would do wonders whoever took it on. A bulldog, an enabler who is happy not to be the most popular person in the world, chasing round people for things they are struggling to find the time to progress as they had initially intended (and assisting them, or finding assistance for them, if possible).
More efficiency with reassigning tasks from folk who're simply unable to see things through is also crucial. Where is that updated flyer for example feck's sake?
What I'm saying is, Ian likes to lead from the back and does a fantastic job. He just needs a front man. :D
http://ochmonek.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/minder.jpg
This thread has saved RTOC IMO.
Either get on board or get out.
FB, Twitter, Youtube whatever the media outlet is going to be bringing this club kicking and screaming into 2013 wheather members like it or not.
Now is the time to let vendettas/issues/sarcasm off the boards and get rid of the clique mentality this club is dripping in.
Im glad Andy Blunt has decided to give the club another chance as will so many other members that have left due to the direction (lack of) the club has taken in recent times.
The FB page was looked upon as a threat and a problem that would/could ultimatley end
RTOC (still a website but no ND or RRD). Stories of RTOC members PM-ing others to warn them off using FB??? :laugh: We're here to talk about the cars we love not shaft eachother.
I found a common ground with alot of the "outcasts" on FB and various other avenues after my issues with some members at ND12. I'd use RTOC for info and FB for fun/friends/laidback attitude and have made some good aquaintances and friends. I had no intrest conversing with members who basically couldnt be arsed to say hello. Id say alot of the problems/edge/sarcasm/(being borderline dicks) gives the club a bad rep is generated by a handful of members that think they have some kind of devine right to say and do what they want on here. Cut that out and your onto a winner because the vast amount of ordinary members share the same opinion. Fact.
There will be no naming of names this post is simply to highlight the core issue of the decline of memberships. I just hope the ones that know this is aimed at will take heed if what we are trying to do here is to succeed.
Ive been here less than 12 months and never felt a club member, ive been on FB 3 month and its like ive known some of the lads years. Why is that? I aint the only one!:confused: There is no agendas there as it is a new page with all NEW diverse members, not stagnating repetitive condesending attitudes from dinosaurs.
Ive dropped what happened to me n me mate at ND and put it down to experience. Ill be coming again this year with a bit more knowledge of the club and the way it works, bygones be bygones and look forward together for 2013.
As far as the membership goes id go as far to pay up to £35 to ensure good running of the club and get the best experience we can possible (FFS my xbox membership is £35).:) (or a nut and bolt from CGB):laugh:
Love it or hate it this is IMO, i have a MASSIVE ENTHUSIASM BACK FOR THE CLUBS ONCE AGAIN. Peace :p
Well said Ash, couldnt agree more. :agree: :agree:
Big Steve - Raider
25-01-2013, 15:02
This is the exact role I was describing earlier and the person I have my eye on for it is Jon....
Why not?? Jerpa would make a good bulldog, he'd got the natural looks for it! :laugh:
In all seriousness though, why doesn't JRP or Matt Cole put themselves forwards for it? :niceone:
Lets be honest here...........no one likes JRP.
There............i've said it.
Big Steve - Raider
25-01-2013, 15:16
Lets be honest here...........no one likes JRP.
There............i've said it.
*Apart from me, can't fail to love the big boll0cks who manages to burn both his hands one day! :laugh:
Lets be honest here...........no one likes JRP.
There............i've said it.
Thanks mate
Thanks mate
No, thank you x
Your the only reason I still log on each day, in the vein hope you'll have PM'd me or written a witty reply on a thread.........Oh why are you so down JRP
WHY...................?
:crush:
(god damn it Friday afternoon is dragging at work)
Sorry :nohijack:
No, thank you x
Your the only reason I still log on each day, in the vein hope you'll have PM'd me or written a witty reply on a thread.........Oh why are you so down JRP
WHY...................?
:crush:
(god damn it Friday afternoon is dragging at work)
Sorry :nohijack:
I hoped you were kidding lol I was racking my brain trying to think what I'd done to you
C'mon give Jon a job .
It is my final wish ,before I take the long walk into the cursed earth , that he be appointed to something that suits his talents :D
C'mon give Jon a job .
It is my final wish ,before I take the long walk into the cursed earth , that he be appointed to something that suits his talents :D
Lol waiting to see me fail and then make a JRP fail tshirt for the club shop,
Another idea, (old but let's rethink it for revenue)
Rtoc polos with club name under the Rtoc badge... Good for meets
C'mon give Jon a job .
It is my final wish ,before I take the long walk into the cursed earth , that he be appointed to something that suits his talents :D
Also what talent? Club idiot?
Nottswoody
25-01-2013, 16:32
http://vimeo.com/m/58184068
As spoke about earlier in the thread about my cousin having his own filming talents for hire.. Then strange enough he puts up the link above..
Yes I know it's not a gt :)
Jon has energy and personality, he just needs setting off in the right direction. Like a Staffy :D
Nottswoody
25-01-2013, 16:57
http://vimeo.com/m/58184068
As spoke about earlier in the thread about my cousin having his own filming talents for hire.. Then strange enough he puts up the link above..
Yes I know it's not a gt :)
Right poses you know who you are this video cost £200 I'm not in the video world is that good? Iv asked what sort of rates he would charge for a full day at blyton plus interviews etc etc.. Lets see what he says.. And no he's not some dude doing it on his iPhone corporate filming/weddings etc is what he dose..
Check out his site on
http://www.iandearmanmedia.co.uk/
Another idea, (old but let's rethink it for revenue)
Rtoc polos with club name under the Rtoc badge... Good for meets
I offered that service for last years Nat day ...printed T shirt with custom/name/pic etc etc ...Got a grand total of ! order from Big Steve .I think it turned out OK and he liked it but don't know if he wore it :coffee:
Slammed 66
25-01-2013, 17:04
I offered that service for last years Nat day ...printed T shirt with custom/name/pic etc etc ...Got a grand total of ! order from Big Steve .I think it turned out OK and he liked it but don't know if he wore it :coffee:
I know i certainly would.
It would also help as a sort of an ice breaker at meets where you'd at least know who you were speaking to. Especially for new or less regular forum users.
Great idea IMHO
Jon has energy and personality, he just needs setting off in the right direction. Like a Staffy :D
:agree:
Nottswoody
25-01-2013, 17:17
Right poses you know who you are this video cost £200 I'm not in the video world is that good? Iv asked what sort of rates he would charge for a full day at blyton plus interviews etc etc.. Lets see what he says.. And no he's not some dude doing it on his iPhone corporate filming/weddings etc is what he dose..
Check out his site on
http://www.iandearmanmedia.co.uk/
Committe
Ian says he can do national day for £500 as a special family rate edited and all as he says it will be fun to do.. The balls in your hands :)
The quality of the video speaks for itself.
It might just be about money as we lost about £5k on the last one and that's another £500. Unless people buy the DVD and we make bit from that? Steve did that last year; sold a CD of the official photos. But would we get any where near recouping £500?
Of course, if the event sold enough tickets then that would be OK.
Nottswoody
25-01-2013, 17:33
I can't see sales being a problem I personally am quite excited at have my car filmed on full boost by a quality filmed instead of trying to catch it on my phone :) who wouldn't want that track action? Guys how cool would it be to get that camera strapped to your car? I think we could be onto a winner here?? Work the prices out between your selves for DVD sales could be a winner :)
We might have lost money on the last ND but this year (or next year if plans are already formed for 2013), is a fresh go at getting an affordable but fun and interesting event organised that may or may not be able to include a £500 video of the day. Nothing is for certain yet, and that includes whether the day will be loss making or not :agree:
The GTR vid is very good.
Nottswoody
25-01-2013, 17:42
Trev
The main reason I looked into this was because it was mentioned on revamping the club with some media coverage.. Not just to have personal DVDs as I say it's up to you guys I just know a guy that could doit all for you.. Now you know were he is if you want a local (to blyton) media guy.
Worth a punt, imho.
Would make for some great footage to go on our YouTube page, and great advertisement for the club/our ND's.
Jon gets my vote, fwiw (feck all :D), for the aforementioned role/job.
Jon has energy and personality, he just needs setting off in the right direction. Like a Staffy :D
:laugh::agree:
I read about 4 of these pages last night and thought I would chime in.
Im not sure what the big issue is with the Club running at a loss.
In fact Im not sure how the club can ever be in a state of being in a loss in the first place?:confused:
From a budget perspective here is how I see it.
Fixed known costs.
Web hosting and site mainternance
membership packs (including all parafanalia)
Maketing flyers?
Once that is paid for by the membership renewals - whatever is left can be put towards events such as National day and what ever else - if the cash is not there then there are no events - simple no?
Not sure how the club can ever be at a loss (whos pockets are paying for the loss?)
If you mean loss as in the club bought x amount of track time and only sold x amount and did not recoup its outlay - I don't see that as a loss - The money was there to be spent as long as the fixed costs are paid for the site then I see no issue with the club not breaking even.
:confused::scratch:
You can't spend what you don't have - its not a business...
Now if you want to make cash, a mate of mine runs a Mondeo club and brings in about £2K per month from Advertising space sold on the site.
As the Renault's are more home tweaking based that's never going to happen when people bash tuners and want to do the work themselves - but if you get the new blood on board (new cars) - even make it the Renault Owners club ( drop the turbo) and promote independent dealers for a share of traffic clicks or codes that may bring the money in and turn it into a profitable website. - With Low member numbers that ain't going to happen - most R5s are scrapped and rotten now and its only the hardcore that keeps them going, shame they are still seen as chav cars and not a classic piece of motoring history.
Adapt or die - Darwin was right.
http://www.prophpbb.com/ - host it for free with a generic looking site and save I believe Ian S said £2K per year?
or
http://www.hostgator.com/apps/phpbb-hosting
http://www.siteground.com/hosting_features.htm
Don't look like 2Ks worth of money to run the site - unless we are buying hardware and sticking it in a hosting service. Thats a big no no, use the "cloud" and never get out of date on the hardware.
car.crash
25-01-2013, 18:42
Nailed it!
Penfold aka The Dealer
25-01-2013, 19:02
I read about 4 of these pages last night and thought I would chime in.
Im not sure what the big issue is with the Club running at a loss.
In fact Im not sure how the club can ever be in a state of being in a loss in the first place?:confused:
From a budget perspective here is how I see it.
Fixed known costs.
Web hosting and site mainternance
membership packs (including all parafanalia)
Maketing flyers?
Once that is paid for by the membership renewals - whatever is left can be put towards events such as National day and what ever else - if the cash is not there then there are no events - simple no?
Not sure how the club can ever be at a loss (whos pockets are paying for the loss?)
If you mean loss as in the club bought x amount of track time and only sold x amount and did not recoup its outlay - I don't see that as a loss - The money was there to be spent as long as the fixed costs are paid for the site then I see no issue with the club not breaking even.
:confused::scratch:
You can't spend what you don't have - its not a business...
Now if you want to make cash, a mate of mine runs a Mondeo club and brings in about £2K per month from Advertising space sold on the site.
As the Renault's are more home tweaking based that's never going to happen when people bash tuners and want to do the work themselves - but if you get the new blood on board (new cars) - even make it the Renault Owners club ( drop the turbo) and promote independent dealers for a share of traffic clicks or codes that may bring the money in and turn it into a profitable website. - With Low member numbers that ain't going to happen - most R5s are scrapped and rotten now and its only the hardcore that keeps them going, shame they are still seen as chav cars and not a classic piece of motoring history.
Adapt or die - Darwin was right.
http://www.prophpbb.com/ - host it for free with a generic looking site and save I believe Ian S said £2K per year?
or
http://www.hostgator.com/apps/phpbb-hosting
Tom, we can have a very cheap looking car forum... but members moaned/Disliked that when RTOC went down and we went over to the temp forum hosted by Scoff.... Even though they was very grateful for him to do so.
RTOC website is very unique as car clubs go, we have more than just a forum....Lots more.
As I previously stated the club can exist on very little income and we could have a very low/donations etc if we wanted...but would only be a basic forun
But once again RTOC is very unique (for a club of our size - small), we for the last few years have managed to Hire 2 Unique Venues such as Pod, Mallory, Blyton, Brunters and have the ability to hire other attractions such as Rolling Roads at our events, all these things need to be paid for up front which we use the income from our memberships to pay for.
We normally make a LOSS at these events, which is no real issue as its normally covered by the income from our membership. The club itself does not run at a loss... although we nearly went bankrupt after Brunters 2006, I forget how much that we lost at that events, but we did struggle to pay for ND in 2007 - which if you remember was actually part of FCS for that year and RTOC had an exclusive 1 hour at track session at the end of the day and most members was disapointed with that.
I think most members would love to continue having at least one major event with other attractions, hence why we need a decent income to support that.
It's less that £2k I expect but I was rounding up. We pay probably too much for 4 domain names and from time to time pay for someone to do something or other. You can recall how bad the site was with Webfusion for the three years we were with them and unusable in the end. It's great now. So I rather be with a good reliable host that fast with vB sites than a cheap sh1t one. Not that Webfusion was low cost particularly.
Probably as much as the hosting cost is the fee paying for a managed backup service. We also have a fair size database which was always a issue before, requiring a dedicated server, until VPS appeared.
Ideally we'd spend more and have a fully managed web hosting service where they can do all the site updates or whatever needed as the committee cannot do any of that and relied on just one man who's now too busy for it.
There is also the old site still on an expensive Windows server waiting for someone to fix it's problems and move it to a cheap server. But 18 months have gone by and I can't 'make' these people do this stuff, not even for the full rate of pay. So why not dump it? Because it packed with useful data, such as all the article photos and info that's linked to. Or maybe the photos have been moved but the threads haven't. I used to go there often to look up stuff but since it scans the www when it switched on I have to keep it off.
In all seriousness though, why doesn't JRP or Matt Cole put themselves forwards for it? :niceone:
Matt gets my vote, I know he's got plenty of spare time to do the job and he's a whizz with MS Project!
Trev
The main reason I looked into this was because it was mentioned on revamping the club with some media coverage.. Not just to have personal DVDs as I say it's up to you guys I just know a guy that could doit all for you.. Now you know were he is if you want a local (to blyton) media guy.
No probs. I was supporting you in what you were saying. :agree:
What I said was in response to Ian's post. I meant that there's no reason to discount the option of paying for a high quality video simply because last year's ND made a big loss. Who knows that this year's ND cost make-up will be. It might be easy to set aside £500, who knows.
Big Steve - Raider
25-01-2013, 21:02
I offered that service for last years Nat day ...printed T shirt with custom/name/pic etc etc ...Got a grand total of ! order from Big Steve .I think it turned out OK and he liked it but don't know if he wore it :coffee:
Oh I wore it Clee, loved it! :niceone:
[quote=JRP;310975]Lol waiting to see me fail and then make a JRP fail tshirt for the club shop,
You can put them next to Dales t-shirt :D
So can we have a basic summary of whats been decided for the clubs future, idea's ect and where help is needed,
And let's pull together and get it done :agree:
More than one member has asked for a summary of all the changes/ideas that have sprung from this very important thread. Can someone from the committee please respond, even if it's only to say that an overview is in the pipeline (and give us an idea when it's going to be presented).
I have also asked a number of times about the club flyer. It's now been six days since Chris said he would update it 'asap'. If the updates have been done, I'm still looking for a jpg copy so I can print out my own (and for all members to receive one to their email addresses). If the changes haven't yet been incorporated, please for goodness sake send the master file to someone who has the time to do it.
More than one member has asked for a summary of all the changes/ideas that have sprung from this very important thread. Can someone from the committee please respond, even if it's only to say that an overview is in the pipeline (and give us an idea when it's going to be presented).
I have also asked a number of times about the club flyer. It's now been six days since Chris said he would update it 'asap'. If the updates have been done, I'm still looking for a jpg copy so I can print out my own (and for all members to receive one to their email addresses). If the changes haven't yet been incorporated, please for goodness sake send the master file to someone who has the time to do it.
Hi mate unless nobody else does so in the mean time i will do everyone an update tonite. Also find out about them flyers
Hi Chris, thanks :)
Btw, just in case there was any confusion, when I said 'Chris' in my previous post I was referring to Chris Miller who is the one doing to flyer update. :agree:
Re membership fees.....
Yes it looks like they will be altering. Ian S is looking into altering pages from this site to reflect the price change. When this is done we should be ready to go ahead. :)
Re flyers;
I thought I'd posted that last Tuesday and Wednesday I telephoned the printer Miller used to see if they still had the original artwork and could edit it. So far I received an email to say they'd received my email and will look for the stuff and let me know.
I'm waiting for Sparkie to investigate with GSF to see what the status of our discount with them is and if there is a contact person as the one on the flyer has moved on.
It's not about sending something to a printer and expecting them to print it and send it back to us the same day. That's not gong to happen. The changes to artwork have to be decided, text altered, names and numbers found out first, editing done by the printer. Printing. Postage. Then suitable artwork retrieved / converted, uploaded to this site and people told where.
I have to re-write some of the back of the flyer. I've stated to the printer the changes to do to the front.
There are four sides to deal with as we need to alter the membership letters too, all need some changes.
More than one member has asked for a summary of all the changes/ideas that have sprung from this very important thread.Not me, no time and I can barely read. I can't read back though this thread.
Any volunteers? :)
I'd like to let you know that Blunty has re-joined the committee. :)
Hi Ian.
Yes you did post that. Although you didn't quite articulate all the things that would need to be done (and in doing so manage our expectations). Apologies if I'm jumping the gun.
From my POV it looks like there needs to be two flyers, one which includes the back et al that people can fill in, and another with just the front that members can print single-sided (on basic home printers) at will. Most people receiving them will only need the net address these days anyway.
Also, I had thought that the changes required to the artwork were minimal and agreed in any case a fair while ago (another reason for me thinking this would be a quick turn-around).
Lastly, I'm not sure whether Miller is doing the changes, or you're dealing directly with the printers (it looks like both are happening based on the posts in this thread). If it's the latter, have they yet confirmed that they have the master file? If not, they need to get us up their priority list.
IMO the single-sided version should be a quick job and an easy hit to get out to members' inboxes but up to now I've had any assurance that this is going to happen...
there needs to be two flyers, one which includes the back et al that people can fill in, and another with just the front that members can print single-sidedYou appear to have read my mind :) That what I'm trying to do.
minimal and agreed in any case a fair while ago.yes most of it is but still it needs all the communication, printer to go through filing, etc. Rear page is a bit is more involved, difficult for a poor reader, but no-one else is jumping forward to do this.
MillerDirectly. No. And I can't make them go faster. To get their attention I told them we'd have a few 1000 prints.
members' inboxesI'd not thought of mass emailing it. A large % of members don't receive their emails.
I hoped the printer would have confirmed by last Wednesday that he had the original files. I posted a thread last August in the committee forum with proposed changes. It's very hard to get any progress made when people ignore posts and requests for information and help.
Thanks Ian.
I did mention at least twice in this thread that the club should send the updated flyer frontage to members email addresses. The emails members used to sign up via Paypal must be in use!? Even if there is a disparate database, 200 out 400 is still 200 better than 0 out of 0 for example.
Regarding the printers (assuming I've read your response correctly), if they haven't even confirmed they have the artwork within this last week then there's a problem as it means they haven't even started. We are paying them so we want a date for completion. Where's that committee bulldog, this is the perfect job to chase?
Basically, if they have the master artwork then we want it, not at the end of the print job at an as yet undetermined date/time but a copy in the meantime so we're at least back in control. Or a copy from Miller. If he doesn't have the time to update this thing then why not get the master file from him and absolve him of any responsibility on this issue. Someone else in the membership base can make changes (at least to the front) and get it out to members.
I vote Trev for bulldog ...jeeeezzz louise ..if all that energy was channeled outside the forum :coffee::cooter: Just an observation :D
I think Miller does not have originals now, if at all.
We're not paying the printer yet. Only after he does something. If he does something. They might be very busy, we can either wait or someone else, not me, can design something from new based on the one in the filing. Best to wait a while. we've waited for a log time so far. Members can print and use the one in the files if they want. I just needs a bit crossing out, etc.
If they find they do have the original, then he said it's a few minutes work to edit it.
Matt Cole
28-01-2013, 16:51
Thanks Ian.
I did mention at least twice in this thread that the club should send the updated flyer frontage to members email addresses. The emails members used to sign up via Paypal must be in use!? Even if there is a disparate database, 200 out 400 is still 200 better than 0 out of 0 for example.
Regarding the printers (assuming I've read your response correctly), if they haven't even confirmed they have the artwork within this last week then there's a problem as it means they haven't even started. We are paying them so we want a date for completion. Where's that committee bulldog, this is the perfect job to chase?
Basically, if they have the master artwork then we want it, not at the end of the print job at an as yet undetermined date/time but a copy in the meantime so we're at least back in control. Or a copy from Miller. If he doesn't have the time to update this thing then why not get the master file from him and absolve him of any responsibility on this issue. Someone else in the membership base can make changes (at least to the front) and get it out to members.
:agree: It's frustrating reading this!
Matt, I think you were the other person suggested for the proposed new committee position. Are you interested in taking it on?
From PM conversations it would seem that one of the biggest problems is that committee is so loosely joined and lacking in overall direction (new members notwithstanding).
Even if the new members are enthusiastic, if they are met with the lack of cohesion and direction that the rest of the committee suffer (no offence intended at any 1 member of the committee), then they'll fall down the same hole.
A master list of deliverables and the status (and some shove), would really be useful IMO.
:agree: It's frustrating reading this!It shouldn't be. I already answered all those points. They're not point that exist as it were. Apart from the email suggestion but I'm not sure the website mass email facility can email an attachment. So that would have to be established first anyway. The printer may not have the files. Miller may not have the files. That's the starting point, establishing who has the original, if any. They don't owe us anything. We don't owe them anything. I already said I got a response on perhaps Thursday or Friday to say they will look.
Do you suggest we pay this printer money just to go and have a look? They still might not if they're busy.
We need someone / people to actually go and do stuff. Not someone to p1ss off the key workers by goading them constantly but offering no action. We had that already on this committee and it caused arguments, divisions and people to resign. And I'm not talking about this year with people leaving because I asked some simple questions, to try and establish some simple facts, and people injected their own imagined emotional content into my words where there was none, and drew out messages that weren't there.
We only need peoples email once, when they join and get the return link. From then on, if they change it, they don't need to tell us, we don't need to know. Of course they can't then have the emailed notifications but that's their choice. Other people have it switched off. There have been committee threads about mass email over the years and how much worth there is in using it for anything important. We do sometimes anyway, just in case it does reach some people.
What can you do to help? :)
Matt Cole
28-01-2013, 21:01
Matt, I think you were the other person suggested for the proposed new committee position. Are you interested in taking it on?
From PM conversations it would seem that one of the biggest problems is that committee is so loosely joined and lacking in overall direction (new members notwithstanding).
Even if the new members are enthusiastic, if they are met with the lack of cohesion and direction that the rest of the committee suffer (no offence intended at any 1 member of the committee), then they'll fall down the same hole.
A master list of deliverables and the status (and some shove), would really be useful IMO.
Trev, I'm not sure what the position is?
Re membership fees.....
Ian S is looking into altering pages from this site to reflect the price change.Altered :) http://www.rtoc.org/club/
Great work Ian :agree: let's spread the word on this folks :)
I vote Trev for bulldog ...jeeeezzz louise ..if all that energy was channeled outside the forum :coffee::cooter: Just an observation :D
All that energy IS channelled outside the forum. Mainly on developing algorithms for trading the stock market. I come on here for a break, to look at other people's hard work on great little cars that I can't afford atm. :cry:
Trev, I'm not sure what the position is?
I'm not on the committee but my idea of the role would be an amalgamation of the things I've said thus far on the subject Matt.
There has been a problem identified but it's the problem itself which is stopping the solution being progressed. Go figure.
Adey aka Ewok
31-01-2013, 07:05
odd one, but just noticed this "http://www.rtoc.org/images/bullet.gif Window sticker, tax disc holder and keyring displaying the club logo"
is that just the initial first joining thing because i havent been sent one in about 6 years ;)
odd one, but just noticed this "http://www.rtoc.org/images/bullet.gif Window sticker, tax disc holder and keyring displaying the club logo"
is that just the initial first joining thing because i havent been sent one in about 6 years ;)
Yes, just when you initially join up. If you haven't got one or want one I can send one out.....
odd one, but just noticed this "http://www.rtoc.org/images/bullet.gif Window sticker, tax disc holder and keyring displaying the club logo"
is that just the initial first joining thing because i havent been sent one in about 6 years ;)
+1 same here think i might of had a keyring about 2 years ago but no tax disc holder or sticker
DaveL485
31-01-2013, 20:01
Sobering numbers those.
You should see the 21TOC numbers.... :cry:
DaveL485
31-01-2013, 20:05
Even though the 21T OC and other clubs like that are now small, they want their own club. So we won't get those cars here.
Silly really isnt it. I dont see how a merge would harm.
Nothing to stop any of them joining here .....yes it is silly isn't it but ... big fish bowl :D;)
Adey aka Ewok
01-02-2013, 10:39
Silly really isnt it. I dont see how a merge would harm.
i think the thing is whos going to give up there club, they could join here but i think giving up there site and individuality would be the issue. i think it would be the same here if everyone on rtoc was asked to go joing up over on another site, we would no longer be rtoc as such
Maybe there is a way they can be the "21OC, part of the RTOC"
A branch of the tree but a branch in its own right, if you see what I mean.
Like Scotland. They will be much weaker on their own (in many political, financial and business ways), if they choose independence, but they will be in control. The trade off isn't worth it IMO but other people might argue differently.
A merger other clubs, they might want to retain their technical info, threads, etc, and control over their membership fees.
Just off loading the work of membership and website management to a larger club, for that part of their takings that they would normally spend for that.
They'd want to retain control over their spend on their specific events, etc. Have their own membership packs.
I had a plan the other year to create new sections of the RTOC site that would look like some other site, ie, a Twingo website. But have the one membership fee system, etc. Twingo owner can then log into their own front page, have their own home page and threads, but also log into RTOC area and RTOC members get access to all. Kind of thing. That fell flat when I failed to get anyone to even do small(ish) jobs to this site.
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