My engine rebuild

[Nottswoody]

Bloody frezzing..
Engines in and nearly piped up just water and oil breathers todo.. My back and legs are killing me.
Plan tomorrow all pipes back on water and oil then wait for thundercat to come round and check it and sort some of my wiring loom out as it **** like most are..
All in all not a bad days work..

Tomorrow I will either be very happy or there will be a 5 on fire in the middle of the road :)

[jesus in the seat of a 5]

Tomorrow I will either be very happy or there will be a 5 on fire in the middle of the road :)[/quote]

well done paul, fingers crossed.. lets hope there`s no fire....:laugh:

[*MrB*]

New poster! (less than 10 posts)

Really enjoyed reading that, fair play for having a bash yourself!

Looking forward to some updates :agree:

[Jonny5]

Woody has asked me to do a quick update of his photos for him.

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Out with the old....

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In with the new....

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[Nottswoody]

Thanks bud..

See who notices cheeky mod first lol

[chris]

Looks well woody good job mate :agree:

[Logg]

Thanks bud..

See who notices cheeky mod first lol

Time to cover that mod up. ;)

[Nottswoody]

Looks well woody good job mate :agree:

Thanks Chris ALOT and I mean ALOT of back ache has gone into it as well as my doe.. Hope it's worth it :sos:

[chris]

It will be mate just get on and enjoy it then mate

[LYNCHSTAR]

how come tom cats off.

[markey b]

timing cover?

[Nottswoody]

how come tom cats off.

It needs a rebuild the rear wheel has movement and smokes.. Gone for a t28 now just using the t2 till the engines bedded in.. Lol just realised no one needs 3 turbos..

[Nottswoody]

timing cover?

Correct :) works a treat thanks Sid..

[Nottswoody]

Spec so far..

Matched the head to the gaskets (myself :))
Ep Motorsport cam (thanks Marky mark)
New rings
Polished crank
+25 shells + mike
Lightened flywheel +mike
Volvo clutch+ mike
Soft pedal + mike
T28 + Marky mark
All new gaskets top and bottom + mike
New dissy + plugs
Head skimmed valves cut and de coked
Painted rocker + jonny 5 + dad
Timing done by thundercat
Vernier+ cgb
Removable cam cover from Sid
Honed liners
And probably more..

And a hell of a lot of cleaning..

Hopefully worth it lol..

Just realised I started this on the 6th of jan no wonder I'm knackerd

[Jonny5]

Spec so far..

Matched the head to the gaskets (myself :))
Ep Motorsport cam (thanks Marky mark)
New rings
Polished crank
+25 shells + mike
Lightened flywheel +mike
Volvo clutch+ mike
Soft pedal + mike
T28 + Marky mark
All new gaskets top and bottom + mike
New dissy + plugs
Head skimmed valves cut and de coked
Painted rocker + jonny 5 + dad
Timing done by thundercat
Vernier+ cgb
Removable cam cover from Sid
Honed liners
And probably more..

Total cost? :D

[Nottswoody]

Total cost? :D

Lol can the mrs read this?

Put it this way it's a good job I like beans lol..

[Jonny5]

Lol can the mrs read this?

Put it this way it's a good job I like beans lol..

:laugh: :niceone:

[Nottswoody]

And all for 2secs :eek: and still only worth £2000 :eek:

[Nottswoody]

Just my look lol is bloody snowing!!! It's on axel stands outside as I need to swop springs on my konis over then put them in then drop the car and push it back in the garage today.. The snow couldn't wait one more bloody day :mad:

[Nad-5GTT]

And all for 2secs :eek: and still only worth £2000 :eek:

:laugh: we all plough £££'s into these cars but never get any of it back, rather depressing:cry:

[GTphil]

When i look back at the money spent I'm always thinking what else i could have done with it, a nice holiday or spent it on the house, then when i get in a drive i forget all of that and smile like a Cheshire Cat:D

Especially after i built my lump the first time i nailed it with 24lb under my foot:smokin: priceless!

[*MrB*]

New poster! (less than 10 posts)

Motor looks awesome :agree:

[w35ty]

looking good mate! :agree:

[Nottswoody]

Guys urgent help if you can.. It's not fireing up we have spark at the plugs but its poping through the carb. Tdc correct dissy timed to tdc.. Got me baffled

[HAndy]

Guys urgent help if you can.. It's not fireing up we have spark at the plugs but its poping through the carb. Tdc correct dissy timed to tdc.. Got me baffled



popping is usally timing ,deffo got that right, not 180 degrees out?
plugs fouled?
all 4 ht leads working correctly /disributor sound no cracks moisture ?

tdc pick up dirty/faulty?

im kind of guessing here but first things i would look at, then maybe move on to carb ?

[Nottswoody]

popping is usally timing ,deffo got that right, not 180 degrees out?
plugs fouled?
all 4 ht leads working correctly /disributor sound no cracks moisture ?

tdc pick up dirty ?

New leads tried two sets new dissy and arm. We've timed it to the blue book.. The spark plugs aren't soacked but we have petrol.. My cam is timed to 112 degress and its bloody freezing :)

[Nottswoody]

:). 180degrees out :) sounds sweet!!!

[Nottswoody]

Why would tdc be 180 degrees out what have I done wrong lol

[tubbyG]

popping is usally timing ,deffo got that right, not 180 degrees out?


:agree:

[philr5t]

What did you gap the plugs to mate had the same symptoms a few years ago turned out to be the gaps on the plugs can't remember now if they were to tight or to big might be worth double checking just to rule it out

[Tony Walker]

What did you gap the plugs to mate had the same symptoms a few years ago turned out to be the gaps on the plugs can't remember now if they were to tight or to big might be worth double checking just to rule it out


Think hes sorted it... timing 180 out.

[Dave Reed]

Why would tdc be 180 degrees out what have I done wrong lol

Dissy drive will be in the wrong way

[Nottswoody]

Up and running but play stopped as the bloody bleed nipple collapsed on my main water pipe.. Could of been worse :) nearly there.. Big thanks to thundercat for coming over and helping me out.. Too lad.. Knackerd.com

[Nottswoody]

That's part 1 done ran for 20mins at 2000rpm no oil loss or water dumped the oil thankfully spotless :) new oil n filter back in her.. Time to kick 500 miles in.. :cool:

Thanks for everyone's advice/help/bits

I am now a well earned r5 enthusiast lol I have the broken back smashed hands empty wallet and mental strains to prove it..

Thanks again

[Jonny5]

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u410/JonnyR5-2008/image-2_zpsbba398d6.jpg

:niceone:

[Daz5774]

Cracking job bud! :)

[R5MJH]

well done woods we may make mechanic out of ya yet:laugh:

[Nottswoody]

well done woods we may make mechanic out of ya yet:laugh:

F3ck that lol

[Andyturbo!]

Awesome mate u done a cracking job, now get some miles on so you can get that t2 off and put a big boy! Turbo on lol

[Nottswoody]

Just bought a gt tuning shiny heat shield off stu because salty blade says it needs one I hate everything gt tuning through principle but it will hide the turbo I guess.. Do they just flap about on one side?

[Nottswoody]

Awesome mate u done a cracking job, now get some miles on so you can get that t2 off and put a big boy! Turbo on lol

It is a bit of a come down iv always ran 18-20psi I have this t2 wond all the way in to stop temptation.. I think trips to work are going to be boring for a while. :)

[Andyturbo!]

Just my opinion but I'm sure a piece of metal ain't gona make much diff to the heat around the engine with how hot these cars run lol

[Andyturbo!]

It is a bit of a come down iv always ran 18-20psi I have this t2 wond all the way in to stop temptation.. I think trips to work are going to be boring for a while. :)

Lol u will soon bang the miles on tho pal. Wot turbo you going for?

[James5]

Just bought a gt tuning shiny heat shield off stu because salty blade says it needs one I hate everything gt tuning through principle but it will hide the turbo I guess.. Do they just flap about on one side?


They should have a bracket that bolts to the gearbox and it also mounts to the single hole near the exhaust manifold. Should be double skimmed also if it's a gttuning jobbie.

Personally never had a problem with no heatshield on any of my setup's just keep wires out of the way.

[Nottswoody]

Lol u will soon bang the miles on tho pal. Wot turbo you going for?

Iv bought that t28 off Marky mark for some pod runs hopefully :sos:

[Nottswoody]

They should have a bracket that bolts to the gearbox and it also mounts to the single hole near the exhaust manifold. Should be double skimmed also if it's a gttuning jobbie

Oh it's defo gtt it says so all across the middle lol I'm looking for a PW badge to go over the gt part of it :ashamed:

[Andyturbo!]

Iv bought that t28 off Marky mark for some pod runs hopefully :sos:

Sounds good to me pal u got a similar spec to bluntys then?

[Nottswoody]

Sounds good to me pal u got a similar spec to bluntys then?

I did the gasket to head my self so not as much head work really just refreshed everything not sure what bhp its capable of and I need to see what the fuellings like with the t28 if its much different from my t28 plus with the epcam.. I shouldn't have to alter the carb much more? I don't know bluntys spec really.. I'm just a tinkerer :) my last engine was 150bhp if I get more now :sos: I will be happy as close to 200 then it will be worth it.. All done in my little garage :ashamed: I refuse to pay crazy shop money prices for mods it's cost enough as it is.. As everyone knows.. We will see I'm happy if it just quick and reliable as its my daily..

[Nottswoody]

Just my opinion but I'm sure a piece of metal ain't gona make much diff to the heat around the engine with how hot these cars run lol

Never hurt mine not having one for 2 yrs bud

[Andyturbo!]

U should crack 200bhp mate. Have u ever built an engine before?

[Nottswoody]

U should crack 200bhp mate. Have u ever built an engine before?

Nope popped my cherry with this one :)

[Andyturbo!]

Fair play then mate u done great its something I would love to do but wudnt know where to start! Took me a while to rebuild me carb last year lol

[Nottswoody]

Fair play then mate u done great its something I would love to do but wudnt know where to start! Took me a while to rebuild me carb last year lol

Buy the Haynes get the tools you've already joined here so your half way there and get to know good local members.. The rest you will learn along the way oh and save a lot of money lol.. It's not a lot compared with newer cars its more effort these old ones need.. Were is the fun in buying a new tuned car :) I'm a family man now so the mrs knows exactly were I am at all times lol (in the garage) most of it was good fun I really enjoyed it so far.. Already thinking what's next? Any ideas were I go from here guys?

[Andyturbo!]

I've got the green Haynes but I've heard the blue one is better? Mine really needs the bodywork sorting as its dent central! I was thinking of selling her not that long ago but the first boost of the new year soon changed my mind :burnrubber:

[Nottswoody]

I have the green too bud.. But yer the blues more for the turbo 5 but its got me through most things.. It helped me no end bud. The one thing I will say to anyone.. If I can doit anyone can doit.. You just need the right tools its cost me a few quid also buying the tools.. Time for me to get my next project saved for..

[Andyturbo!]

I have the green too bud.. But yer the blues more for the turbo 5 but its got me through most things.. It helped me no end bud. The one thing I will say to anyone.. If I can doit anyone can doit.. You just need the right tools its cost me a few quid also buying the tools.. Time for me to get my next project saved for..

That's good to know know then pal. Wots next? Another car? Or still 5 related

[Nottswoody]

Who knows it will be a 5 I keep seeing nice ones up for sale but ploughed all my money into this one this year.. Maybe a phase 1 next.. Or the cossie I promised myself :ashamed:

[Andyturbo!]

Mate do the cossie! I had a series 2 rs turbo a few year ago fast fords are addictive just like 5s

[Nottswoody]

When i look back at the money spent I'm always thinking what else i could have done with it, a nice holiday or spent it on the house, then when i get in a drive i forget all of that and smile like a Cheshire Cat:D

Especially after i built my lump the first time i nailed it with 24lb under my foot:smokin: priceless!

Here's hoping lol

[Nottswoody]

Well iv just done the first 50mile in the 5?it ran Sweet done all the 40mph to 30mph ten times to seat the rings in. No waterloss or oil :) clutch slipped a little bit but I guess that's the new flywheel as it was refaced so I'm guessing that will bedin aswell? I hate the paranoid feeling constantly worrying "what's that noise is the temp ok?"

Oil pressure is at 4 then raises to 5-5.5 when driving is that right?

Even got my running in sheet on the back as people was up my arse when I was bedding the rings in..

Happy so far :)

[jesus in the seat of a 5]

good goin paul.... is there a pic of the running in sheet....:laugh::agree:

[Nottswoody]

good goin paul.... is there a pic of the running in sheet....:laugh::agree:

Lol I will put one up tomorrow the flash makes it too bright.. My old man said iv wrote many of these in my time lad.. No one dose it any more but I am sticking to the low revs and NO RACING!!

[jesus in the seat of a 5]

Lol I will put one up tomorrow the flash makes it too bright.. My old man said iv wrote many of these in my time lad.. No one dose it any more but I am sticking to the low revs and NO RACING!!

:laugh:, good man.... every rpm over will be a £ and a dad time token wasted...:laugh:

[Tony Walker]

lol cant believe how you've stuck to it...... i couldnt resist.... pretty much nailed it from the word go.
The first time you rev it to 7k you'll be thinking... **** did i torque that cam pulley up properely lol.

[Nottswoody]

lol cant believe how you've stuck to it...... i couldnt resist.... pretty much nailed it from the word go.
The first time you rev it to 7k you'll be thinking... **** did i torque that cam pulley up properely lol.

I'm doing that now lol

[Nottswoody]

Going well so far 120 miles done two oil leaks 1 from the dam oil pipe under the turbo and one from the dipstick. The only worrying part is I keep getting high oil pressure readings for ten mins then it gets to a normal amount.. I think I might of put too much oil in so I'm going to sort things in the morning.. Oh and why dose my t2 dump more than my t25 running more boost. Strange

[Brigsy]

Give it some revs and bed the rings in properly, no point in fannying about;)

[Tony Walker]

rings will pass oil till there bedded in.... takes quite a few miles and heat cycles to do that.
The amount of oil wont effect the pressure.
It starts high as the oils cold/thicker then thins out as it warms up then the pressure drops.

[Nottswoody]

It's not passing any oil tony it runs sweet there's just clean oil spats at the front and I noticed the dipstick was loose..

Happy so far if that's all I need to do is tighten a clip and change a dipstick then I'm happy.. And the clutch now dosnt slip.. Lesson learnt clean the flywheel and cover plate before fitting :)

[Nottswoody]

Bloody rocker cover had worked its way loose or I didn't tighten it up right :scratch: is ther a tourque for these bolts don't want to make it too tight and crack the paint and squash the gasket.. I can see me becoming obsessed with cleaning it now..

[Alastair]

Use a bit of tube over the studs to stop you over tightening them and bending the cover ;-)

[mike's r5]

Well done m8, keep clocking those miles up, I have been giving mine a bit of boost after the first 200 miles, only been taking it to about 5-6000 rpm.

[Nottswoody]

Well done m8, keep clocking those miles up, I have been giving mine a bit of boost after the first 200 miles, only been taking it to about 5-6000 rpm.

How's it feel bud? You happy?

[Nottswoody]

Guys my t28 turned up yesterday (thanks Marky mark) do you know what thread the one way oil feed is? I'm taking the turbo to pertec today but I will be in the 5 so I can't match up the other end.. Just wonderd what the standard thread is.. Thanks

[Nottswoody]

Guys my t28 turned up yesterday (thanks Marky mark) do you know what thread the one way oil feed is? I'm taking the turbo to pertec today but I will be in the 5 so I can't match up the other end.. Just wonderd what the standard thread is.. Thanks

Any one?

[Tony Walker]

:( no sorry, take some spanners whip it off while your there. Dont spill any oil on your shiny new engine tho.

[Nottswoody]

0 miles this weekend :( daddy duties have kicked in.. Tuesday I have to myself so I will be putting the t28 on but boost right down.. Some blue water hoses going on as my main bleed nipple started to leak. And some shiny bits to go on too..

Gutted not to be going to Malory that's were I was hoping to rack up a good 100miles..

[Nottswoody]

decided to give it some throttle today :crap: temptation was too much and to say i was dissapointed was an understatement i only went to 5grand and it just seemed flat my cam is timed to 112degrees do i need to go to 7grand with the little t2? somethings not right it dosnt even feel like theres anything there or is it just that im used to the tomcat?:scratch:

[Brigsy]

What turbo? The t28's are laggy. It will feel flat unless your running a decent amount of boost..

[Romil Davda]

FYI: my standard T2 ran out of puff at 5.5K (maybe just before)... T25 will pull further in the rev range.

Didn't I read something about bedding in the cam? or was that just each to their own?

[Nottswoody]

FYI: my standard T2 ran out of puff at 5.5K (maybe just before)... T25 will pull further in the rev range.

Didn't I read something about bedding in the cam? or was that just each to their own?

Iv done this bud and about 170mikes if its not bedded in now it will never be :)


Bigger problems now.. :cry: report later afterwork.

[Nottswoody]

So my main water hose nipple split on me so I changed it for a Samco one then all of a sudden it kept over heating drove it for two days after thinking I'd got air blocked.. I bled and bled for ages then it would be alright for a bit.. Took the oil filler off and it had light scum onit took the rocker off and there was scum on the passenger side. So I thought I'd re tourque the bolts one was losse a quarter turn below we're the scum was so put it all back together then ran it bled and bled it.. Thought **** it if its going to blow I want it to blow near home.. Went out and gave it death the sure enough the temps flew up again.. Checked the oil cap and no scum.. Bled and bled and bled and it went alright.. Went to work this morning and talking to a guy who just said "thermostat" then like a flash it came to me :ashamed::ashamed::eek: :jerkoff: put the bloody thermostat in the wrong way round :ashamed::ashamed: silly boy but phew!! Hopefully back on track now..

[Nottswoody]

The good news is I have fit the oil feed off my tomcat to this t28 so that saved me £40 :) so hopefully get it on Sunday.. Also got the enrichment out of my other carb to swop at the same time then hopefully some bigger boosting.. So what boost would you run on my set up?

[tubbyG]

Minimum of 20 psi :smokin:

[Nottswoody]

Minimum of 20 psi :smokin:

On a new build? I was thinking more 16ish? Then give it some more :) am I aiming to get the AFRs at 12 dead or just the low 12s? 2nd stage is at 1.3 and iv got to swop the 1.2 enrichment for the 1.. Think that will fuel it correctly for the bigger boy boost.. Is there a massive difference in t25 to t28?

[tubbyG]

Once you have run it in, then yeah go for it. Going up in small increments ensuring your fueling is good each time is the way.

I run at 12.3 at wot 21psi in 5th gear. Richer slightly in lower gears though which can take more boost but then runs leaner when in 5th., but others may be richer than that to be on the safe side. :D
I cant comment on what difference between turbo's would be. I went from a t2/25 to t28 and the difference was vast :burnrubber:

[Nottswoody]

Vast as in keeping up or leaving behind :) Theresa a guy I see with a p1 I still have a bone to pick with lol

[GTphil]

Just slowly keep on upping the boost a little at a time, you might want to think about some form of det monitoring device, 6mm hard nylon pipe and a stethoscope, bolt the steth to the cylinder head, pipe the 6mm pipe into the cabin and onto the head set. It's not fool proof and can be hard to make out whilst your travelling at warp 10 watching the afr/boost/temp/oil pressure whist trying to watch the road. Make sure the pipe can't rattle on anything either as this can make it harder to listen for, also make sure you pipe the nylon straight to the headset and noise detection thingy, no rubber hose on either end.

the boost on my engine went from 8psi to 22psi within 10 runs at pod before this it hadn't seen any boost at all, if it's gonna break it's gonna break;)

i would also look at a .9 air corrector, playing around with my motor and with the second stage at 1.4mm and the .9 A/C along with the malpasi reg and efi pump fuels for 24lb (manifold right up to 7k in fourth and there abouts in Fifth, i had 139mph on the sat nav a few months ago next to a Honda nsx on a private road of course, as for the p1 that might be a battle you may struggle to win with 20psi and under;)

[Nottswoody]

Cheers phil your advice is always appreciated :agree:
That's going tobe a challenge lol listening for det but if it needs to be done I will do that. I will pick another drill up tomorrow just incase I need it.

As long as I'm pissing the p1 off that will do me just fine :)

[Nottswoody]

Right then here we go again...

Had a few hrs this afternoon so I thought let whack the t28 on :)
Had to strip my other two turbos to get the new water journals off which was fun scrapping my knuckles got them off and fitted them to the t28.. So I also changed my carb the one below the brass pipe from a 1.2 to a 1 as I read that's a mod todo my 2nd stage is at 1.3 now.. Also changed my rocker gasket as I must of pinched I and it was leaking oil abit.. Any way slapped it all back together and I bloody shared the oil feed off :mad: thankfully between all three turbos I managed to make a pipe up :).. Went out for a blast and discovers the t28 was set to 0.7bar which I think is 10psi :scratch: everything went well no water or oil loss :cool: but my AFRs were crap foot down it slams to 10 low boost 11.8 then hi boost 12.5 is that about right or do I need todo anything else the reason I say this is I'm aiming for an extra 10psi ontop..

My backs broke again and the mrs said

If you touchéd me as much as you touch that ****ing car I'd be happier lol

Thinks she's getting pissed off with this car I keep telling her I'm nearly there but we all know that's not going to happen..

[GTphil]

What exactly is high boost?

[Nottswoody]

What exactly is high boost?

Sorry phil I ment wot full chat giving it the beans peddle to the metal :cooter:

[Tony Walker]

wouldnt worry bout afrs at that boost. whack it up a bit see what it does.

[GTphil]

Sorry phil I ment wot

Ok, so foot flat to the floor, so that's 10psi, what gear were you in and what revs did you take it upto?

[Nottswoody]

Ok, so foot flat to the floor, so that's 10psi, what gear were you in and what revs did you take it upto?

3rd gear about 6grand plus watching the temps and the boost and for fuzz it's bloody hard going

[GTphil]

3rd gear about 6grand plus watching the temps and the boost and for fuzz it's bloody hard going

4th gear is the gear to be in;) so you need a decent stretch of tarmac if it goes slightly uphill that's even better, as you can imagine at the top of fourth you are indeed most definitely moving.

12.5 is good but once the boost gets above 18psi or so i would be looking for a little richer than that, maybe 12.2 ish hard work getting it spot on, like Tony says if your happy the lumps doing the job, then start to increase the boost a little at a time. Really WOT is all you should be concerned about at first.

[Nottswoody]

Motorway trip tomorrow then :scared: can go up a junction or two see what happens what psi do you think I should turn it upto? Iv done 226 miles on the engine so far..

[Brigsy]

Up the boost to your desired level..aim for afr's high 11's-12 flat. You need to listen for det too without any means for listening for knock your asking for trouble

[GTphil]

Up the boost to your desired level..aim for afr's high 11's-12 flat. You need to listen for det too without any means for listening for knock your asking for trouble

:agree: Defiantly worth installing a steth before the boost gets to high.

[Nottswoody]

We're would i get a stethoscope from?

[Nottswoody]

Up the boost to your desired level..aim for afr's high 11's-12 flat. You need to listen for det too without any means for listening for knock your asking for trouble

What are you guys running? I think you both run a t28?

[GTphil]

What are you guys running? I think you both run a t28?

pretty much, brigsy's is a roller bearing turbo, and i suppose it will flow more than a t28 that i run.

is yours a .49 exhaust housing and a t3 comp housing?

[Nottswoody]

I think so I'm sure it's a .49 but not sure on the rest I will have a look through the as mark put up..

I have a T28 turbocharger here for sale that is suited for the C1J engine

It has a .42AR compressor housing and a .49AR exhaust housing, not too sure on wheel trims
Was used recently so not been sat around for long, in good condition with minimal up and down play. Comes with a -31 actuator, not too sure what the boost is set to though
Has silicone 90deg oil return pipe still attached and exhaust elbow still attached which are sold with the turbo

[GTphil]

Same housings as mine, the wheels could be totally different tho. Good for 200+ anyway, at around 22/23psi.

[Brigsy]

As far as boost goes, last time i set mine up i basically kept winding it up until the engine knocked, then went back a couple of lb. Ill be honest i struggled to keep the carb bowl full.

You need to be making sure your not emptying the carb bowl in 4th too when setting up.

[Nottswoody]

As far as boost goes, last time i set mine up i basically kept winding it up until the engine knocked, then went back a couple of lb. Ill be honest i struggled to keep the carb bowl full.

You need to be making sure your not emptying the carb bowl in 4th too when setting up.

Coming to work this morning at 5am I gave it some wellie still at 10psi and the AFRs were 14 sat on tick over so no probs there then just normal off boost driving it was 12s to 12.5 then floor it then it seems to goto 10s then 11s.. When I finish here the boost is going up to about 17 I think see what happens got my note pad to right things down as I forget things with too much going in :)

[GTphil]

It's worth mentioning that whilst doing a pull in fourth gear, you need to make sure you don't lift off then back on again, this will hide any flote emptying issues, be careful as when the flote does empty the afrs lean right off very quickly, at 20+ psi takes a matter of seconds for total destruction;)

what fuel pump are you using? And have to changed the fuel reg?

[GTphil]

It's worth mentioning that whilst doing a pull in fourth gear, you need to make sure you don't lift off then back on again, this will hide any flote emptying issues, be careful as when the flote does empty the afrs lean right off very quickly, at 20+ psi takes a matter of seconds for total destruction;)

what fuel pump are you using? And have to changed the fuel reg?

So you want to sit in fourth off boost then just floor it and keep it floored until you hit the revs your planning on revving to. Another point to make is although it fuels for a pull in fourth, doing a run at pod particularly with slicks will highlight any fueling issues sooner as you go right through each gear with a high amount of load on the engine due to the grip the slicks provide.

[Nottswoody]

Guess if better calm it for a bit then as its still standard fpr and I'm running a phase1 pump.. Two things I know I need but funds ran out..

[GTphil]

Guess if better calm it for a bit then as its still standard fpr and I'm running a phase1 pump.. Two things I know I need but funds ran out..

Phase 1 pump should be upto the job the fpr however probably wants changing to a rising rate one or an adjustable one. Although on my brothers engine the phase one pump wasn't upto the job it would empty the bowl at 16psi or so, that was most probably the original pump so maybe that's why it wasn't upto it. As soon as we fitted a cheap efi pump it was ok upto 21psi then it started to empty again, haven't yet tryed it with the adjustable fpr, going to be on the rollers this Wednesday and we will see how the fuel system copes with some boost.

[Nottswoody]

Actuator turned a coupe of turns so off for a test drive (off to work) lets see how she gets on with a bit more boost :)

[Tony Walker]

Did you make it there..... and hopefully back? :confused::)

[Nottswoody]

Did you make it there..... and hopefully back? :confused::)

Yes bud only up by 0.2 bar so 0.9 now not overly impressed as I'm still used to the snap of 1.5 bar the tomcat gave me daily :) AFRs seeme better so heading in the right direction hopefully plus traffic was to bad for 6-7 grand runs :) will push it up a couple or few mor psi on the way home though as there will be less traffic todeal with..

[Nottswoody]

Right then lads... Fourth gear 6500 revs and flat 10s on the Afr still 0.9bar.. Talk to me :)

[Dave Reed]

Turn the boost up :D

[GTphil]

Turn the boost up :D

Definitely, it needs at least another bar! :scratch: ok maybe that's a little exaggeration, just think about it like this, your second stage is 1.3 your A/C is 1mm and your running boost that a standard carb wouldn't be far off fueling for;)

I would say give it at least 1.1 bar..... And see how you get on, t28's are pants at low boost they seem to start to get in their stride at around 20lb or so;)

I'm presuming your measuring the boost from the aei line?

[Nottswoody]

Yea phil I'm wanging it up now :) I'm going for 18 psi but taking the tools with me for on the way home tonight.. :) it juts seemed even power if that makes sense? Temps were good and pressures were good. Only thing is I have a touch of man flu so finding it hard to get motivated.. See how we get on today :)

[Nad-5GTT]

Yea phil I'm wanging it up now :) I'm going for 18 psi but taking the tools with me for on the way home tonight.. :) it juts seemed even power if that makes sense? Temps were good and pressures were good. Only thing is I have a touch of man flu so finding it hard to get motivated.. See how we get on today :)

Man up nottswoody :D get some boost in your system and you'll be fine :laugh:

[Nottswoody]

Man up nottswoody :D get some boost in your system and you'll be fine :laugh:

:p its up I'm just stuck at work so can't try it yet I set it at 1.4bar for on the way home :)
Pulled well on the way here it seems really even not as snappy as the t25 see how it boosts later..

[Nottswoody]

:laugh: heavy duty clips my arse :) full chat and my intercooler pipe blew off **** myself lol.. It's getting there pulls well all the way through :) think the DV has to come off far too many joins for bigger boy boost.. Felt good till it popped :sad2:

[GT Josh]

:laugh: heavy duty clips my arse :) full chat and my intercooler pipe blew off **** myself lol.. It's getting there pulls well all the way through :) think the DV has to come off far too many joins for bigger boy boost.. Felt good till it popped :sad2:

Always an issue once the boost starts to increase, loose the dv, they are gay anyway:coffee: i have even blown boost hoses with mikalor clips on, i find once they blow they need a good de-grease with thinners on the inside of the hose and whatever it pushes over then the grip from the clip is a million times better.

[Nad-5GTT]

I've seen a vid where the bloke used hairspray too, it worked well.

[Nottswoody]

Not happy :mad: my oil pressure (standard) has started going up an down when I rev it the gauge went down then up :confused: then high pressure then low the normal :mad: checked and no leaks.. That bit I'm mad about I was chasing an st at the time I think I'm running about 15psi now will check the flow tomorrow and change the sender for my old one I know that one works correctly..

[Tony Walker]

:confused: doesnt make alot of sense mate..... then again.... neither do renault oil pressure gauges.... and for that matter neither does the actuall oil pressure lol.

[Red October]

When id slightly cracked a piston my pressure was at 80 at turnover then 35 idle then 60-100 on boost and it was breathing like a motherf.......

[Nottswoody]

:confused: doesnt make alot of sense mate..... then again.... neither do renault oil pressure gauges.... and for that matter neither does the actuall oil pressure lol.

We're should I start looking? It was exactly the same this morning no smoke no smell and no knocking just the gauge telling me different readings..

[Nottswoody]

When id slightly cracked a piston my pressure was at 80 at turnover then 35 idle then 60-100 on boost and it was breathing like a motherf.......

I take it you had an aftermarket oil reader?

[Brigsy]

Standard oil pressure gauge is crap, get an aftermarket one fitted matey

[Nottswoody]

Standard oil pressure gauge is crap, get an aftermarket one fitted matey

Will do bud but what should I be looking for?
Basicly when I get home I will take off te turbo oil feed into a cup and as long as that's getting good oil pumped we should be golden shouldn't we?

[Dave Reed]

As brigsy said.. Get a mechanical after market gauge.. I can never understand why peeps spend all this money then don't have an oil pressure gauge fitted...

[Nottswoody]

As brigsy said.. Get a mechanical after market gauge.. I can never understand why peeps spend all this money then don't have an oil pressure gauge fitted...

Will do guys I hope it is just the gauge its not as if I'm running crazy boost yet

[Wallace]

As brigsy said.. Get a mechanical after market gauge.. I can never understand why peeps spend all this money then don't have an oil pressure gauge fitted...

Hear you there Dave:agree:

It's another thing I'm sorting out, been looking at these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280886992344?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

Like the idea of adding the reliability of a modern set-up!

Does anyone have any links of a kit that would do the job?

[Dave Reed]

Hear you there Dave:agree:

It's another thing I'm sorting out, been looking at these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280886992344?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

Like the idea of adding the reliability of a modern set-up!

Does anyone have any links of a kit that would do the job?


The one in the link would be fine, stick with mechanical (maybe old school) but there's less to go wrong :)

[Nottswoody]

Well thanks to chris he's sent me a gauge cheers Chris I will just need the fixings now :)

[Nottswoody]

On the way home perfect reading lol bloody gauges :) well I hope it's that...

[Nottswoody]

So I left work early to see if my actuator off my t25 would fit my t28 with a bit of modding it did :) got it fitted and went for a test drive and 20psi was given and lets just say I'm still smiling now :) temps good pressures good.. You can smell everything getting hot but the temps stayed normal.. I didn't go flat out but to about 5grand and that was fun.. Do you think 20s safe on a t28? 4th gear and still low 10s then high 11s what do I have todo to this carb to get in the 12s?

[tubbyG]

for setting up the boost afr's, I would rev it to where you would when absolutley pushing it. Like 7k or 7.5k if you want to go that far, as thats where you want the fuelling to be absolutley spot on.

I am happy to sacrafice exact fuelling lower down the revs for safer top end afr's. If something were to let go at 7k+ rpm then it aint gonna be pretty :cry:

[Nottswoody]

for setting up the boost afr's, I would rev it to where you would when absolutley pushing it. Like 7k or 7.5k if you want to go that far, as thats where you want the fuelling to be absolutley spot on.

I am happy to sacrafice exact fuelling lower down the revs for safer top end afr's. If something were to let go at 7k+ rpm then it aint gonna be pretty :cry:

I haven't got "a private road" big enough for that :)

Think I need the 0.9 instead of the 1

Good fun though :)

How do you find it day to day? Has the smell gone from yours or is that just the c1j thing?

[Brigsy]

0.9 a/c will make it richer...stop fannying about and give it some revs, it will most likely lean off at the top

[Nottswoody]

0.9 a/c will make it richer...stop fannying about and give it some revs, it will most likely lean off at the top

Ha I live in the city briggsy I can't get enough room to give it the beans.. Its pod I'm after this year 15.2 can not happen again :) spools up somthing wicked now though as you know.. When's the closest date for pod? I think I need a trip and soon.. Anyone going soon?

[GTphil]

0.9 a/c will make it richer...stop fannying about and give it some revs, it will most likely lean off at the top

Consider yourself told off!:laugh:

in all fairness it's virtually impossible on the work run, not to mention insane, you need to do some late night private (ahem!) road fourth gear pulls, and feel that t28's real lungs!

[Brigsy]

Exactly, it would be mad to tune on the work run...night time tuning ftw ;)

[Nottswoody]

:ashamed: every clip was loose on my ic and I have 8 even the lobster was loose.. Hpegully that will sort it.. Think I'm going to buy all heavy dutie ones but even those ha come loose too. Any way has anyone got a pic on how to fit a bleed valve?

[casper]

No pic but just T it into the pipe going to the act:agree:uator.

[Nottswoody]

No pic but just T it into the pipe going to the act:agree:uator.

And the bottom pipe?

[Jonny5]

Like this Paul

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u410/JonnyR5-2008/image-2_zps5b815a6a.jpg (http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/JonnyR5-2008/media/image-2_zps5b815a6a.jpg.html)

Run bottom pipe well out of the way of the turbo and manifold

[Nottswoody]

1.4bar reached with old actuaor back on and bleed valve now fitted :) happy days.. Off to bed so the trip to work will come sooner.. Think it will be more fun getting there this time..

[Nottswoody]

Trip to work was much more fun now I'm actually using the boost :) and I fixed my speedo it actually freeked me out seeing it as it hasn't worked for two years.. Simple things lol

[Nottswoody]

So now running 1.6 bar but still have a few questions..
It's running well pulls to a bar then seems to go again to 1.6 at a different rate. My car seems to come alive at 5grand onwards i cant even spin the wheels as all the powers top end is that right? not that i want to spin the wheels but my t25 used to spin all over I'm running 99 and I'm only getting 32miles to a tenner is that about right?

Cheers getting used to the lag now iv had to re learn the roads and oponats I pick.. All good so far. Got the work run down this morning from 15mins to 11 this morning :)

[Markey Mark (BD)]

What would of moved the power to the top end will be the cam timing, as its timed to 112deg it will move the power band to the top end. If you want bit more lower down power and response i'd advance the cam timing abit then

[Nottswoody]

Cheers mark so say 110? I'm leaving it till after pod I think it's pod I'm aiming for this year are you still going to pod before the retro show? I was going last Sunday but couldn't find my liscence.. I have it safe now though :-)

[casper]

So now running 1.6 bar but still have a few questions..
It's running well pulls to a bar then seems to go again to 1.6 at a different rate. My car seems to come alive at 5grand onwards i cant even spin the wheels as all the powers top end is that right? not that i want to spin the wheels but my t25 used to spin all over I'm running 99 and I'm only getting 32miles to a tenner is that about right?

Cheers getting used to the lag now iv had to re learn the roads and oponats I pick.. All good so far. Got the work run down this morning from 15mins to 11 this morning :)

I had a blast in a 5 with a t25 and a .63 rear at the weekend,not for me,didn't start to pull till 5k.

[Nottswoody]

I had a blast in a 5 with a t25 and a .63 rear at the weekend,not for me,didn't start to pull till 5k.

My t25 has a .49 I loved it I bought the t28 for pod but over winter I think I'm getting my t25 rebuilt hopefully its just the seals boosted fine no cracks just smoked

[BluntyR5GTT]

That doesnt sound right it should be well on song at 4k

[Nottswoody]

Which bit Andy? It's at a bar at 4k onwards then at 5 its pulling up to the 1.6 it really is high end all go low end no show lol

[casper]

At least your getting there Paul.

[Markey Mark (BD)]

Yeah might be worth trying 110degs mate, when its on song does the engine want to keep reving off the rev gauge?

[Nottswoody]

All the way mark iv stopped at 7grand as my arse can't take it lol iv not felt any power loss higher up

[Nottswoody]

Lost my mo jo with the 5 at the min.. What's my next move? What can I do next to chase the pod times? Told you I get bored easily :) need something to be cracking on with for not too much money...

[Tony Walker]

weight saving....cold air feed

[Nottswoody]

weight saving....cold air feed

It's my daily so I'm not really into stripping it out just yet maybe next year. It will be off the road and purely a toy then. I think I still need to change the Timing but I'm not looking forward to that with the engine in the car..

[Tony Walker]

If your waterpumps not long been put on then id be tempted to take that off.... made it so much easier. but it is possible in situ. i did it by lining the gearbox flywheel mark up on the timing hole on the box, and moved the crank xx degrees once the vernier was loose obviously you have to make sure the chain is tight which ever way your doing it. it only needs to be moved a tiny bit. best to get used to moving it before you slack the vernier off.

[Nottswoody]

Sounds like a plan as I have a few gaskets for the water pump. So 0 on the gearbox and move the vernier anticlockwise 2degrees we should be golden?

[Tony Walker]

theres a big gap between 0/ 5 / 8 degrees so its easier to do 2 degrees between the 5 and 8. make sure you figure out which way your turning it, im geussing your advancing the timing? if so you need to rotate the crank anti clock wise with the vernier loose.
Before loosening the vernier check the tension is on the tensioner side,this will prob push the tensioner in a bit.

[Nottswoody]

From 112 to 110 not that I want to spin the wheels but I can't anyway if that makes sense.. The cars great 60mph + **** down below that

[Tony Walker]

2nd gear should pull well. i cant see any harm trying the timing :D, ive just retarded mine 2 degrees gave it a quick spin and felt great but not driven enough to tell any difference..... allways feels great when you'v not driven it for a few weeks lol

[Brigsy]

If your waterpumps not long been put on then id be tempted to take that off.... made it so much easier. but it is possible in situ. i did it by lining the gearbox flywheel mark up on the timing hole on the box, and moved the crank xx degrees once the vernier was loose obviously you have to make sure the chain is tight which ever way your doing it. it only needs to be moved a tiny bit. best to get used to moving it before you slack the vernier off.

This method aint accurate enough mate, you need a timing wheel and dti to get the cam dialled in properly. Using the marks on the box is pure guesswork.

[Tony Walker]

i would agree if you were setting it to a specific value, but to tweek it i think its acceptable. untill you've adjusted it once you dont know how it affects the delivery with a certain amount of degrees anyway.

[Tony Walker]

i mean if he adjusts it 2 degrees but actually it moves 3 it doesnt really matter so long as hes happy with the delivery the cam then produces..... from my fiddling i think 3 degrees roughly changes the delivery by 500rpm.

[Tony Walker]

once youve adjusted it and tightened vernier obviously turn the engine over clockwise to check valve clearance before building back up.

[Brigsy]

The question is though Tony how do you know that you have moved it 2degrees? For all you know it might be any range between 2-10+ degrees? Engine builders don't use dti gauges for nothing.

To degree a cam properly you need a piston stop, dti and timing wheel all day long. Otherwise its pure guess work.

[Tony Walker]

those marks where there to set the original ignition timing up with a strobe so the 8 degrees it shows should be 8 ish degrees, maybe it is 10 degrees but your only moving it a small amount between that 8 degrees, so i cant imagine youd get it much more than 2degrees wrong from the amount you'd want.
im not saying set it up at this degree then set the maximum valve lift at this amount. if your timing it up for the first time then it needs to be much more accurate and timed with a dti and a protractor timing wheel. but he has timed it up and doesnt like the delivery so imo advancing it by 500ish rpm is the way to go, advancing 2 degrees should be easy, but as you say its hard to say if it has gone 2 or maybe 4 but its not going to make a huge difference. either way if he doesnt like it as it is it needs to be changed. but he also doesnt know what he wants it to be really. you can say you want it at 110 or 112 or 114 but in reality no-ones sat down and measured at what point that cam then comes in.

[Tony Walker]

To degree a cam properly you need a piston stop, dti and timing wheel all day long. Otherwise its pure guess work.


I do agree with what you are saying tho, and you are completely right . Its just a pita to do it that way when it only needs a slight tweeking and it is guess work.

[rs250nut]

Sounds dodgey to me swinging the cam timing about without knowing whats whats, head thickness, cam type , piston type etc etc.......... Maybe im being over cautious but I would never want to start pissing about without knowing p2v clearances etc.

[Tony Walker]

Sounds dodgey to me swinging the cam timing about without knowing whats whats, head thickness, cam type , piston type etc etc.......... Maybe im being over cautious but I would never want to start pissing about without knowing p2v clearances etc.


ok. so what would you suggest? hows he going to measure p2v clearance? hows he going to measure the cam and be sure of absolute tdc and maximum valve lift?
The flywheels probably more accurate for 1 degree than the timing disc as the diameter and the gap between one degree is much greater.
I agree measuring accurately while buildings best but 110-112 might not be best for every engine/driver/modification combination. so all we have in reality is trail and error.

[Brigsy]

I wouldnt trust the standard timing marks on the 'box whatsoever :laugh:

You use a piston stop to set true tdc with the head on. Then a dti on a pushrod to determine max lift.

[Tony Walker]

thats the point. you dont need tdc im not trying to find that. im trying to move the crank 2 degrees for which those marks are more accurate than a much smaller timing disc.

[Brigsy]

No way is it more accurate using them markings. The cam wheel has increments of 1 degree.

http://www.cranecams.com/bulletins_listview.php?s_id=5

[Tony Walker]

It also explains the problem with using tdc and maximum lift. there is an error on both cam and crank at the top of each as the lift remains maximum for more than one degree. the crank stays at maximum lift for about 5 degrees maybe more???
the errors in both methods are going to be negligeable and can only be realised once driving. in which case ull have to resort to trial and error.


obviously the mean of the crank throw at tdc has to be found.

[rs250nut]

ok. so what would you suggest?

Im not suggesting anything im mearly saying be carefull when swinging timing about willy nilly, you don't know what the clearances are.

hows he going to measure p2v clearance?

Can be done a few different ways, when assemblings the motor you can use clay or it can be done by removing the valve springs and fitting some weaker ones ( that you can depress by hand) with the dti on top of the valve at full lift.

hows he going to measure the cam and be sure of absolute tdc and maximum valve lift?

Using a degree wheel, pointer and a piston stop like Brigsy said above using the .050'' method in the link Brigsy provided.

The flywheels probably more accurate for 1 degree than the timing disc as the diameter and the gap between one degree is much greater.

How can the flywheel be more accurate than a degree wheel with a pointer setup after you have found perfect tdc? the factory markings are never that great.

I agree measuring accurately while buildings best but 110-112 might not be best for every engine/driver/modification combination. so all we have in reality is trail and error.

Trial and error is no good, it costs to much money when you engine is toast because you pissed about with the cam timing without knowing your clearances first, I do how ever agree with not being fixated on a certain number for your cam timing, if the block has benn decked head skimmed etc all these numbers are out the window

[Tony Walker]

i agree, with most of that but it all means he has to strip it to bits.
The flywheels going to show a more accurate movement as its a larger diameter. if the timing disc was the same size as the flywheel then yes that would be equally as accurate. look at a protractor.... look at the outside where the figures are its much easier to see the seperate degrees. look towards the center and its difficult to distinguis 10 degrees. im not saying the timing marks are particually good im saying theres less room for error. if the flywheel was 10 foot in diameter you could probably move it to within a 10th of a degree.

Using the marks im not trying to find tdc, they would be useless for that and only a rough guide.

[Nottswoody]

I missed all this convo :) well the 5s coming off the road as of Monday to get it ready for blyton.. The head might have to come off anyway if its not the rad that's mixing my oil and water so I could use a gauge and time the cam. I'm in two minds if it just wouldn't be easier to whip the engine out and sort a few things out at the same time.. Thanks for the comments guys.. Keep them coming :agree:

[Nottswoody]

That's it after 2.5 yrs off headache I've took the 5 off the road :) been my daily for that long now I've had enough and need a break.. I've limited myself to 2hrs a day from now till blyton to get it right.. Engines coming back out change my driveshafts fix the two snapped bolts one in the sump the other in the timing cover re time the bogger and slap it back in. So for me it's back on my bike. Ooh this is going to hurt but will be worth it.. It's been a long hard fight with this 5 I need a break from driving her and she needs a rest from me..
In true French bitch style she had a paddy today first time ever. Ran out of petrol then the throttle cable snapped I had to tie a electric pump wire to it and pull the throttle through the window :) got pulled by the fuzz and all they said was "what are you doing" so I showed them and they said sound mate be careful and left me to it.. The French bitch still got me home lol.. Mrs said what a bag of **** lol.. Think she's had enough too.. My aim is blyton but if it doesn't happen so be it.. Time for a rest..

Still haven't done a dam thing :scratch: what can I do to get the love back? Went to work in the 5 today and I hated every min of it untill a dude in his orange mk1 escort (mint) nodded in passing that gave me a little smile as you don't get that in a focus.. I just can't seem to get the effort together!!