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Fits in there beaut mate:agree:
Any ideas when it'll be up and running?
Planning on a RR session?
Just ask cause really interested on what sort of power it would produce:cool:
Prob be up and running within next month once I finish the fuel and coolant lines and install the loom (done loom just sitting in bag on front seat).
Ref rolling road session yeah would like to get it mapped properly but I am not after massive power looking to hit max 240-250bhp the car will be dangerous enough.
(now waiting the crash pic's :laugh::ashamed:)
Who washed it?:cooter:
I have washed it as many times as you wash your 5 :laugh:
Your flying with this
Looks some much cleaner/nicer then mine!
Stu photo's make it look better than it actually is :laugh: wish mine had a space frame :agree:
Yorkshire Christmas meet 2003 :)
Yorkshire Christmas meet 2003 :)
Karlos cheers for the pics got anymore?? Car sure has changed over the years.
Been working on the exhaust doing it in mild so I can do it myself :D
Also took the b18ft apart this eve aswell (well head pulled off block anyway) I have also removed the Lc-1 and DB gauge and changed afr setup and am now using the Innovate MTX L setup:agree:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLFeFYQcpFY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
exhaust is looking good mate :agree:
Well suppose a bit of an update currently working under the car managed to sort accelerator cable setup out, also done the coolant piperun, just need to finish the fuel lines, am making some under car supports so that the coolant lines don't drop and hit the floor:eek:
I also tested out my wiring in the bay :eek::scared: well put the battery on for the first time and no fires had the fire extinguisher hand as well :laugh: and no bad smell's of burning either loaded up the ole dell lappy opened Wari on uploaded a 1.8t 20v base map that I have been working on to the e420c. Went to crank the engine (remember no fuel so she won't fire up which is good as it's priming engine with oil) she cranked away nicely no horrible knocks or bangs at all.
Went to calibrate TPS I think I may have a wire wrong here as nothing showing on Wari will look at that in next couple of days all looking good hopefully be running in next couple of weeks well idleing anyway and revving as I still need to work out clutch cable setup as the current 2 std gtt cable's is not going to work I need to work out which VW/ seat setup I need to use and then buy the extended gear stick cable's as well thanks to Handy for the info in a previous post in this thread.
Have a vid not very interesting just the ole girl cranking over
http://s252.photobucket.com/user/GTTJames/media/RWD%20r5%201800cc%20turbo%2020v/20130507_223801_zps9d9d70a9.mp4.html
andybond
07-05-2013, 23:21
Excellent progress dude.
Keep the reports coming. Enjoy reading what I pass up on ..
the cable sleeve lengths i ordered were-
big eye end =3120mm
small eye end =2950mm
there was also 140mm total rod travel added per cable.
the cable sleeve lengths i ordered were-
big eye end =3120mm
small eye end =2950mm
there was also 140mm total rod travel added per cable.
You my friend are a star many thanks will sort this out very soon
Hi all progress is a little slow lack of enthusiasm but been working on the wiring again tonight due to a few teething problems TPS sensor wired and calibrated:D. Still having a few minor issues's which I will resolve over this week in that I can’t get it run, engine crank’s over perfectly fine on the starter, the fuel pump activates and primes. I will check spark over next couple of days when I next play with the car and a couple of other thing's to check are crank sensor wiring, ignition coil live not connected
I have also managed to wire in the original AGU TB so that I can use the built in stepper motor and TPS within it seems to have been successful alot of the vw conversion boys remove this in favor of a 3 pin only TB for TPS only.
VW Throttle body TPS and Stepper/ICV
Wiring pin details if anyone else does this in the future are as below (image below of pin’s):
Pin 1 – Throttle Open – 12v ignition live feed,
Pin 2 – Throttle Closed – GND connect to e420c Aux 3 "Idle Control" PWM enabled 200mhz,
Pin 3 - Signal for idle motor Movement – connect to e420c Dig in 1 as a digital Input and select as "Closed Loop",
Pin 4 – TPS +5v
Pin 5 – TPS Signal
Pin 6 - Not USED
Pin 7 - TPS GND
Pin 8 – Not USED (TPS Signal with small range)
Coil Pack 3 pin VW style
I have also retained the original 3 pin VW coil packs using the original external Bosch 0227100211 ignition amplifier as per attached wired to the e420c. Can anyone just confirm if this looks ok, thinking about my wiring I have missed out the coil pack ignition live so will sort.
Pin 1 trigger - Goes to Bosch ignition ignitor
Pin 4a Yellow / brown - Earthed to cam cover (std untocuhed 10mm bolt on cam cover):
Pin 15 Black / purple - Ignition Live
I am also going to check my engine crank sensor wiring to make sure I used the correct 2 wires out of the 3 I could use.
VW 1.8t 20v Crank sensor G28
The extra one is the shield wire, earth that to the same place as the common ground for all the other sensors or a suitable good earth point nearby. Pins: use 2&3 doesn't really matter which way around
1 - shield
2 - sensor
3 - sensor
For standalone only 2 wires are required these are pins 2 and 3 can go either way round
Injector outputs should be:
Inj 1 on ECU - Cyl 1
Inj 2 on ECU - Cyl 3
Inj 3 on ECU - Cyl 4
Inj 4 on ECU - Cyl 2
ECU coil control
Ign 1 drives coil’s for cylinders 1 & 4
Ign 2 drives coil’s for cylinders 2 & 3
Edit - Added Correct Coil pack wiring diag also the VW idle motor does not work with Adaptronic so will pick up a std 3 pin type like a valver version.
IGN 1 should drive 1 & 4 james.
great progress mate! keep 'm coming :)
IGN 1 should drive 1 & 4 james.
Cheers Chris how embarrasing :ashamed::laugh: I can't remember how I wired them up i think they might be 1 & 4 together under Ign 1. Easy enough to check so will double check that.
How does my diag look other than Ign 1 & 2 being wrong on the previous diag I have attached an amended one :D
Pic of Apexi RSM fitted was going to use this to get around speedo but it would appear I have kph version :crap: so this will be up for sale has the G sensor extra aswell.
Innovate MTX-L in place aswell.
I also need to speak with Phoneix Autosport about flocking as you will see the dash switches are coming off :cry: and i Haven't even used the car it's not as if anything touches the dash either so need there advices's as to what I can use to stick it back down with:agree:
Thing's left to do.
Await new Bosch 211 Ignition Ignitior,
New mounts for fuel tank,
Fuel tank outlet fitting to be alloy welded,
Extended Gearstick cables,
Work out clutch cable setup and which VW group one I need,
Replace interior,
Sort some kind of Speedo out or do what Scoff done.
Not much of an update other than alot of re-wiring of loom, now looks like I have incorrect firing order as back firing.
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/GTTJames/F426%20BKB%20rwd%205%20GTT/RWD%20r5%201800cc%20turbo%2020v/th_20130603_224812_zps95e8a9b3.jpg (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/GTTJames/F426%20BKB%20rwd%205%20GTT/RWD%20r5%201800cc%20turbo%2020v/20130603_224812_zps95e8a9b3.mp4)
Anyway
brand New OE headlights (Many thanks Arthur aka Tutuur),
Some new rear glass badges,
Also a little 20v decal on lower tailgate trim
Nad-5GTT
04-06-2013, 18:52
That Nicole decal looks smart:) bloody predictive text, it's meant to say ickle :laugh:
Still can't get the car to spark really getting on my tits now prob didn't help battery was pretty flat. So I gave up and decided to actually make some progress on the car I finally finished the exhaust system off last night just need to finish the silencer support bracket to which I am thinking of of mounting it to the subframe so I or another owner can drop the engine complete with all still attached.
The to do list is getting smaller
Gearstick cables extending,
Spray Grill,
Alloy weld fuel tank for outlet,
Re-do rear engine mount,
Re-fit interior (clio black carpet, and OE seats and seatbelts for now),
Source Golf mk3 1.3 non self ratcheting clutch cable (early version),
Get the car to spark,
Do a base map,
Full mapping aiming for around 250bhp
So tempted to sell lack of enthusiasm and lack of time as doing so many thanks with the kids / family. Anyone interested drop me a pm with a sensible offer I do have a price in mind as it is or a runner.
safehands
27-06-2013, 09:32
This is great. Looks so cool :) well done. Lot of hard work there.
You've done it again!
Looks like it's just got out of the factory :smokin:
This is looking great.
Why is it with these projects that enthusiasm always seems to falter when the to-do list really starts to shorten. :( The devil is always in the detail.
SCHWARTZ
27-06-2013, 11:14
Looks rubish. Put the b18ft back in:cooter:
DaveMayGTT
27-06-2013, 23:19
Come on James, as soon as u get spark you will feel good about it again. Hang in there.
Did you try doing what I said with the electrics to get a spark at all mate and to save the coil packs at the same time
its looking so good James - and surely the hard work is done now?!
Stick with it mate, it'll be blinding once you drive it:agree:
Get on with the clutch/box issues & get the other little bits sorted next, then think about the spark again after... worst case it will have to go to Chris for a new loom & a map...
Picked up a black clio carpet today that I am going to retro fit into the 5 also.
The to do list is getting shorter, in the meantime if anyone whom is good with electrics want's to come down and assist me would be much appreciated as the wiring is what is testing my patience:cry:
p.s. I tested my ECU and it's giving out the correct value's according to my multimeter so problem is wiring or I have the timing setting's incorrect on WARI:crap:
If you pay my trip i would be more then happy to help out :D
DaveMayGTT
01-07-2013, 10:58
That's more like it m8! Like Steve said, can u do all the mechanical stuff and then trailer to scoff for a little wiring and mapping?
You'll love it again when you do get it to fire up, although I would be interested to know what it would sell for :D would certainly save me the time doing a turbo conversion on the Clio
Is there no way of putting it on std management and loom just to see if it fires up?
Ok golf mk3 1.3 early type Clutch Cable just ordered, also picking up a black clio carpet today that I am going to retro fit into the 5 also.
The to do list is getting shorter, in the meantime if anyone whom is good with electrics want's to come down and assist me would be much appreciated as the wiring is what is testing my patience:cry:
p.s. I tested my ECU and it's giving out the correct value's according to my multimeter so problem is wiring or I have the timing setting's incorrect on WARI:crap:
You could always start fresh with a new loom, I think Chris sells bare looms for around £100.... I would 'try' to help out as the diagrams are pretty straight forward.
Or, can Chris make up a loom for you ??
just a slight update I picked up a black carpet and centre console the other day to hopefully finish of the interior as the grey carpet in the 5 had seen better day's.
I am also going to look at the lack of spark next week aswell so one less thing to do
Is there no way of putting it on std management and loom just to see if it fires up?
I wish the ECU is locked and I don't have the original keys or Dash clocks if I did that would be possible.
Don't suppose anyone down south has access to a timing light?
I wish the ECU is locked and I don't have the original keys or Dash clocks if I did that would be possible.
Don't suppose anyone down south has access to a timing light?
i can probably get 1 james off my mate also as u helped mike while i was away we will pop up to see if we can get it going ok mate next week sometime maybe wednesday eve thanx mick
i can probably get 1 james off my mate also as u helped mike while i was away we will pop up to see if we can get it going ok mate next week sometime maybe wednesday eve thanx mick
Was no problem helping Mike at all matey that's what the clubs for if you guys fancy popping up next wednesday eve is cool with me :agree:
Was no problem helping Mike at all matey that's what the clubs for if you guys fancy popping up next wednesday eve is cool with me :agree:
thanx mate do ya want me to get the strobe? think logg or dan c has one and im seeing them @ pod maybe ask them if not ill get the snap on one off my mate for ya boss:agree:
thanx mate do ya want me to get the strobe? think logg or dan c has one and im seeing them @ pod maybe ask them if not ill get the snap on one off my mate for ya boss:agree:
If you have access to a strobe would be good :agree:
Many thanks
Can't believe this is on the bay now bud. Gutted wanted to see ya complete it. GLWTS
Can't believe this is on the bay now bud. Gutted wanted to see ya complete it. GLWTS
Cheers Tom but she's now sold:agree: The new owner has some really good future plans for the ole girl:agree:
Did it stay in the club at all? Went to show my mate today on eBay and it had vanished lol
It's still in the club :agree:
should i say congrats with selling it?
Duncan Grier
26-07-2013, 17:08
Well left with the full family and trailer not long after 7 and took over 4hrs to get to James :-( took the kids to the seaside for a couple of hours and a 30min drive each way was more like an hour. Then over 5hrs to get home.
Long long day!!! Traffic down south is shocking
Fair to say 2.5 year old and 12 week old loved the long time in the car....not!
Sorted trailer out, cold beer
Day done lol
Full on with getting chassis back together on vx220 for body shop but have a closer look at the weekend at what's needed
Thanks James :agree:
DG
Woznaldo
26-07-2013, 23:39
Great to hear this car is staying in the club. I know DG will give it the love it deserves. :)
DG, don't tell me you're doing what I suggested you do...?! :cool:
DG, don't tell me you're doing what I suggested you do...?! :cool:
From what he discussed with me I hope so :agree:
Dear lord I hope so. :eek: :cool: :D
Duncan Grier
31-07-2013, 14:47
With finishing the tfsi k04 conversions in the vx220's im flat out atm and not even taken the car off the trailer :coffee:
Had a 5 min look around and suspect I will not be able to help doing a bare shell build up and try to improve a few things, im a funny fecker and like things a certain way now I am old and grumpy :scared:
Now if its powered by the newer tfsi beasite or even hybrid between that and the 20Vt head on standalone or drop another engine in the front is not clear yet :scratch: dont want to spend loads on turbos etc
May look to get rid of the skoda vrs and use it as a daily but will not really be touching the car until winter
Guess I will get it running quickly as is and get a feel for how the car drives - as a drag / show car 600+ bhp and 4wd would be a laugh, may see what bigger engines fit for also - :cooter:
Dont want to give too much away just yet - will just crack on and share once something intersting has happened
DG
DaveL485
02-08-2013, 11:18
Stuff
DG
You're bat**** crazy.... as said on text, weigh down the front!
(Then help me 4wd the Fuego :D)
Btw, I have a 'cracked' AGU ECU for sale if you want it DG.
:)
Duncan Grier
02-08-2013, 16:50
Thanks for the offer tk. Its on standalone and can get ecu stuff done for free on older oem stuff if I went that route
Dave dont worry my 15 stone will sort the front out lol
now manual or dsg :crap:
DG
Thanks for the offer tk. Its on standalone and can get ecu stuff done for free on older oem stuff if I went that route
Dave dont worry my 15 stone will sort the front out lol
now manual or dsg :crap:
DG
Forget the dsg mate they can't handle launches with 250 + bhp so is hate to see what happens to one when its got more power going through it plus the mecatronics give up on them pretty often to. I've managed to kill 4 of them so far just by launching them :eek:
You're not in the dog house with the missus now then?
Duncan Grier
03-08-2013, 07:26
Mmmnnnn better but definitely not off the hook yet
DG
Duncan Grier
01-02-2014, 10:13
Well decision made
Going to keep it nice and easy mainly due to lack of time with other projects and cash lol
Going to keep mid engineed and rwd only but use a k04 lump or cheaper tfsi k03 of which both make easy 290ish with not drama and put on oem management. Keep 5 speed box but may have to change fd but will see
Pull out and start again with mounting and few other changes. Finish other bits off and use as a daily for a while. Skoda vrs estate went back yesterday so buying bigger family bus for those duties and towing
Got vx220 tfsi conversion and few other things eaten up feb so prob sort it march
Will try to take pic's
DG
This is going to be good! It may get company by his dutch brother in a few years:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/R5R%20turbo/5F2D5221-69B5-44C9-80EE-DD13C4EA613F_zpstz33jsap.jpg (http://s1230.photobucket.com/user/tutuur/media/R5R%20turbo/5F2D5221-69B5-44C9-80EE-DD13C4EA613F_zpstz33jsap.jpg.html)
Duncan Grier
01-02-2014, 13:49
Good start was looking to make my own subframe for it. Have to drive it over to say hello ;)
DG
Will take a few years i'm afraid! But the most challenging work is done, now it just needs hours and hours to do the rest!
Duncan Grier
13-04-2014, 07:29
Well as of yesterday car is SOLD.............
To my wife Sarah. Not sure the deal was great for me lol
Well its out of my hands but know its going to be good. Sarah already confirmed bare shell build up. Colour change, engine and box setup tbc but will remain audi based, more cage and few special touches
Wonder who will have to do all the work
DG
Wonder who will have to do all the work
DG
think of all the bedtime points you can earn:D:laugh:
although you probably wont get time to spend them:laugh::laugh:
just glad its been kept alive and well in the club:cool:
Duncan Grier
13-04-2014, 09:06
Lol 2 children one just under a year and one 3 bed is for sleeping when you can get it lol
Nottswoody
13-04-2014, 09:09
Lol 2 children one just under a year and one 3 bed is for sleeping when you can get it lol
I here that brother goy one sat on my knee now whatching jake n the bloody never land pirates :disagree:
Nad-5GTT
13-04-2014, 10:11
Great news that it's still in the club ish, make sure you keep the build thread up though.
Matt Cole
13-04-2014, 10:43
Nice. My mrs wouldn't piss on mine if it was on fire never mind buy it from me:D
fat roofer
13-04-2014, 12:08
My mrs wouldn't piss on mine if it was on fire
Although it would be bloody funny watching her try!!!! :laugh:
Duncan Grier
13-04-2014, 14:23
Sarah going to join at some point and will definitely post build thread and pics once her plans are set in stone
DG
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