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Slammed 66
05-10-2012, 08:05
As title, does anyone have one of the old style club stickers that was an outline of a 5?
Thanks
Ross
Nottswoody
05-10-2012, 08:40
As title, does anyone have one of the old style club stickers that was an outline of a 5?
Thanks
Ross
I like these!!
Penfold aka The Dealer
05-10-2012, 09:31
I wonder if this is something the club could look at getting replicated??
I wonder if this is something the club could look at getting replicated??
+1!
Good timing!! I did find one of these in my garage last night.
It is slightly damaged though. But I'd love one back in my car :)
I found these on my old computer if there any help.
Leave these with me, the logos make it alot easier to sort out but shouldn't be a problem. Can i have the dimensions of the original please. They can be added to the shop when I have them :)
http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u410/JonnyR5-2008/88660E73-05FD-416F-8D52-70FADB3965C6-3177-000003542034AAE7_zps6b5197d1.jpg
+ 2 :agree:
It's cool having the old stickers but I'm not sure it's a good idea replicating and using them. If it became a popular thing to do, that would raise a number of issues regarding the RTOC and its membership.
Penfold aka The Dealer
05-10-2012, 11:36
I dont see the harm trev, plenty of the old club members are still on here....
Its evolution, nothing wrong with remembering where you come from and respecting that...
I had a few cars with the old logo on, not something i overly care about tbh, but its still nice to know that somebody back then respected the 5....
Its a bit of club nostalgia, where is the harm :) 90% of existing members would probably just put it beside the regular RTOC sticker anyway.
Yeah maybe. But there are some assumptions in there gents.
These stickers are nostalgic only for those that know about the old club and that's not many.
To those who're uninitiated about Renault turbos or this club (and that is most people out there), but who're curious or interested to find out more; seeing the old sticker on the GTTs of RTOC members cars is of no help, in fact it's counter-productive.
I suppose it's not important but then you'd think the RTOC and its members would be doing everything they can to ensure all new interest finds its way to this website/club.
I think if you already have an old club sticker then cool, the idea to replicate and distribute them is not a great one IMO and I'd have thought the club would discourage it. We're an inclusive club now, not an exclusive one.
Why not a best of both worlds then, use the outline of the old sticker but the details of RTOC instead
Why not a best of both worlds then, use the outline of the old sticker but the details of RTOC instead
That's what I had planned to do, afterall it is rtoc these days. But then should it not be offered with the outline of other renaults too. Making the current rtoc logo the one to stick with? Once again there are so many variations and the hassle for the sake of a sticker that could be drawn up by the individual and taken to a local sticker shop.
Cracking idea though if the donkey work could be done. Old style design (one for each of the main member group cars), with RTOC lettering.
R5 (mk1 and 2 are close enough in shape not to split them out)
R11
R9
R21
Megane
Clio conversions
R19 conversions
T1000 :D
Tbh, I doubt there would be much call beyond the 5 variant but that's not the point.
Renault 5 GT Turbo
05-10-2012, 18:38
Sounds interesting, what happened to R5GT Owners Club?
Sounds interesting, what happened to R5GT Owners Club?
Turned into rtoc:agree:
Tony Walker
05-10-2012, 19:20
:laugh::wasntme:
Turned into rtoc:agree:
ive got one in my window, but its allways been rtoc when ive been a member.
Renault 5 GT Turbo
05-10-2012, 19:26
So why the strong concerns about reproducing an old club logo, sounds harmless enough. It's not as if we are talking about a major brand reissuing a previous version of its logo.
Must be some controversy involved or something I'm missing? Domains are still available so could be repointed to RTOC.
Markey Mark (BD)
05-10-2012, 20:25
I like the idea of old logo design with new name in there, deffinately a refreshing look on the name plus shows the routes of the club too :agree:;)
So I tested it and added R5GT Owners Club to a Google search and the top item, on my PC, was RTOC.org. :)
We do still own gtturbo.org but I think I had it pointed somewhere else, a spare server or something.
We own twingo-turbo.org too.
I think Trevor makes good points about taking care to not confuse the RTOC 'brand' and to not blur in the minds of readers, show goers and potential new members that there is another new club for the 5GTT. They won't know it's a 20 year old one.
Some may argue that the club should become the R5GT Owners Club again ;)
Slammed 66
06-10-2012, 13:54
Have I opened a can of worms here? :laugh:
My bad, but for nostalgia I'd still want one regardless. It's what I fitted to my first car way back in '99 and its what I intend to chuck on the rear screen of the phase 1 project.
Ross
People can do what they want, and that includes replicating the old club stickers for themselves.
For the club to endorse it or agree to stock/sell the stickers though would be unwise for the reasons stated.
The discussion over whether to rebrand RTOC in the way described above would be a better topic.
Mart, top stirring :D
Let's be honest, and this isn't a dig, but the club hasn't exactly done much to entice the new breed of Renault Turbo motors/owners, has it?
Back to the old skool, and revert the club name back to R5GTOC, imho.
I've always had the old logo ... even on my plates
Let's be honest, and this isn't a dig, but the club hasn't exactly done much to entice the new breed of Renault Turbo motors/owners, has it?
Back to the old skool, and revert the club name back to R5GTOC, imho.
Looks like its your job to let the Clio, megane, laguna, 9, 11, 19, 21 etc owners know you don't want them here?
It seems that if the 'old skool' members put more effort into making the club like 'the good ole days' rather than just moaning or stirring we may get somewhere?
I don't see many older members stepping up and doing their bit to revive the club.
Let's be honest, and this isn't a dig, but the club hasn't exactly done much to entice the new breed of Renault Turbo motors/owners, has it?
Back to the old skool, and revert the club name back to R5GTOC, imho.
What would be the point of going back to GTT only? What detriment is there in having the other models/members as part of the club?
I agree that more could have been done to bring in new blood from the wider Renault family but that's not the reason to narrow the scope, in fact it's the reason to reach out more, to all Renault sports models I'd imagine.
If that doesn't happen, the club will eventually end up as the GTTOC again anyway. In that circumstance I would still be here, though I'm not sure it would be the best outcome for the club.
Only the RTOC could have an argument about a sticker! :laugh: if there's enough interest and its doable get them made. If not don't. It won't do any harm. :)
Slammed 66
07-10-2012, 19:24
*sneaks in quietly*
As per the first post I'd still like one if there's one available please...
*sneaks out quietly but with a cheeky chuckle*
Ross
Looks like its your job to let the Clio, megane, laguna, 9, 11, 19, 21 etc owners know you don't want them here?
It seems that if the 'old skool' members put more effort into making the club like 'the good ole days' rather than just moaning or stirring we may get somewhere?
I don't see many older members stepping up and doing their bit to revive the club.
I'm fairly sure in one of my previous posts I commented that it wasn't a dig, and that it was my own humble opinion, so climb down off that high horse for starters.
And point out where I said owners of the motors you mention weren't welcome? Just because the club is named in such a way, doesn't stop anyone from being a member. In fact, even when the club was called R5GTOC, we still had members with those cars.
The club hasn't really done anything to promote itself to the new breed of RT motors - Again, to point out, that isn't a dig, but an unfortunate fact. That isn't necessarily a bad thing though, as I happen to like the exclusivity that RTOC has with regards to the likes of the 5, 9, 11, 21, etc.
I also recall a few previous AGM's where this subject (about attracting the new breed) was discussed, and some great ideas put forward, but for whatever reason they've never seen the light of day - Perhaps it was deemed that the majority prefer to keep the club 'old skool'?
Looks like its your job to let the Clio, megane, laguna, 9, 11, 19, 21 etc owners know you don't want them here?
It seems that if the 'old skool' members put more effort into making the club like 'the good ole days' rather than just moaning or stirring we may get somewhere?
I don't see many older members stepping up and doing their bit to revive the club.
If it was not so bloody difficult to get selected by the commitie to help.. ive offerd countless times and never been accepted. rod/back
It's cool having the old stickers but I'm not sure it's a good idea replicating and using them. If it became a popular thing to do, that would raise a number of issues regarding the RTOC and its membership.
At worst by the rights to that club if its not about, make the internet link.
Basicly if people search for that it links them to RTOC...
Simples
Flight666
07-10-2012, 20:40
Again as per title I`d like one if they are still available/can be reproduced had one on my 1st 5 when I was a member back in 2001 dont even like the new one`s still in their envelope..
rs250nut
07-10-2012, 21:06
These sort of threads seem to pop up all the time now, if the club is in such a bad way lets see member numbers for the last five years and see if there is such a problem, in all honesty i've seen a few new members come and go within a few days because they have asked a simple question and have been bashed for it. Also I know its good to remember where you have come from but can we drop this old school bs, that alone does no favours for new members, unless you are part of the furniture you are no one.
i know its not a dig, i just cant see how changing the name would affect the club, other than the non 5 owners feeling a little left out, or those non members with say a laguna turbo thinking its just a 5 based club. granted that is the majority of members tho. its just another thread going off topic for the sake of a sticker.
bringing in new members may have been on the adjenda, but is not keeping the older ones more the issue? why are people leaving, well besides the ones that have moved onto other things in the car scene? i know alot of us can have banter and feel we can speak our mind without others being too offended, maybe to newer members it makes them feel they cant comment. although numerous reposts can become boring just because people cant be bothered to look.
with a club as large as this i think it would be hard to please everyone, with everything always being a big debate and opinions varying across the board. i dont think i've ever seen athread where everyone agrees!
I still have an old sticker on my original tailgate glass. they don't transfer well otherwise I'd have put it in the the poly window. :)
Mart, it seems like you're saying, 'let's go backwards rather than forwards because it will have hardly any detrimental affect'.
There's no logical reasoning in that.
The club has definitely moved forwards since it became RTOC and reaching out to other RT models has happened and it has had some positive results, if not as much as we'd have hoped. That's no argument for regressing. What it is an argument for is not endorsing the replication and distribution of old club stickers. The club needs all the help it can get in trying to stay relevant and active.
Haz's point about non-5 owners feeling left out is valid but more importantly the club will certainly draw in less new owners of other fast Renaults if it reverts to being the GTTOC.
As for those members looking to get old stickers on their cars. Maybe it should be limited to those that were here when the club was still GTTOC. Because how can it be nostalgic for anyone else :laugh:
I also still have the old sticker on the rear glass.
Maybe we could modernise it a bit by fitting in to it www.rtoc.org as the original GTTOC sticker has no web address. There was no www back then!
And perhaps rather than market it in the shop, we could have it as a word of mouth thing for old timers in the know hankering for past hedonistic 5GTT good times and craving this token as a reminder.
My vision for the future of this club was that we create cover pages for different cars that appeared to be different websites and had their own boards, but shared the members database and other features, able to view other sections boards, but giving them a sense of individuality as well as that of being part of a bigger and better organised group.
I've since seen this somewhere else, the FiatForum works kind of that way. And months back I was in touch with the designer of that site regarding doing work for this one. But as has been normal, people I relied on who started the job, shelved it and never went back to it.
Part of the problem this club has had with regard to attracting new models, ie, the Megane turbo, is that people here did not rush out and buy them, then start a tuning and maintainance section, etc. All that fell to (better paid?) people elsewhere who started their own sites who have now out sized this one which has turned into a classic car site.
Mart, it seems like you're saying, 'let's go backwards rather than forwards because it will have hardly any detrimental affect'.
There's no logical reasoning in that.
The club has definitely moved forwards since it became RTOC and reaching out to other RT models has happened and it has had some positive results, if not as much as we'd have hoped. That's no argument for regressing. What it is an argument for is not endorsing the replication and distribution of old club stickers. The club needs all the help it can get in trying to stay relevant and active.
Haz's point about non-5 owners feeling left out is valid but more importantly the club will certainly draw in less new owners of other fast Renaults if it reverts to being the GTTOC.
As for those members looking to get old stickers on their cars. Maybe it should be limited to those that were here when the club was still GTTOC. Because how can it be nostalgic for anyone else :laugh:
I wish I hadn't said anything now :D
If anything, it was a tongue in cheek comment based on the number of members the club has that own GTT's, compared to any other form of a Renault Turbo, hence would it be such an issue to revert the name back to how it was?
As said, we still had members back then with 9/11/21 etc models, so what's the problem now? As also said (and it's not a dig :rolleyes:) the club hasn't really done anything pro-active to entice the new breed of RT motors to rtoc, so why try leading a horse to water when the horse isn't even present/elsewhere in the first place?
If rtoc is all about the future of RT motors, that's great, but let's do something about getting those new owners on board (which, as I mentioned before, has been discussed at previous AGM's & also on here...to no avail). Renault is about to launch the Clio with a new f.i engine - Are we ready to take them on-board, so to speak? What, as a club, can we offer them that's specific to their motor?
Saying that, where do you think those new owners will go: Here, ClioSport, or a brand new forum that someone will create for them? (akin to ClioTrophy.co.uk for example).
Do we need to start thinking about where the club's future is going, or leave well alone - If we're happy with how things are, then I don't see the problem with reverting back to R5GTOC, thus making it a bit more of an 'exclusive' club for that marque of car, but that's my own personal opinion, be it right or wrong.
If we're looking to latch onto the new breed of RT motors, great, but let's do something about it then.
Part of the problem this club has had with regard to attracting new models, ie, the Megane turbo, is that people here did not rush out and buy them, then start a tuning and maintainance section, etc. All that fell to (better paid?) people elsewhere who started their own sites who have now out sized this one which has turned into a classic car site.
:agree:
Recently I was told that large USA corporations are buying up car clubs as fast as they can for the sole purpose of inserting their own advertising.
So it seems reasonable to expect they would also start club sites of their own for new models of car such as the Clio Mart mentioned.
We possibly don't have the people here to out do them buy getting there first.
Even if people have the ideas, perhaps like Mart with this new Clio, they won't do the work to make a new site (part of this site?) happen and garner interest from new owners of those cars and bring there here.
Over at the Fiat Cinquecento club, they did do that. Many of them had the money for the new Fiat 500's and other similar cars. They changed the club name a bit and started taking their new cars to meetings.
If we want to get more owners on board we need to drop the £25 to join fee and have a flat rate for everyone - just my opinion! :scared:
Penfold aka The Dealer
08-10-2012, 13:01
If we want to get more owners on board we need to drop the £25 to join fee and have a flat rate for everyone - just my opinion! :scared:
Couldn't agree more, even do a E membership only... Ie no membership pack but available from the shop for £2 etc....
We could stop the £5 discount in the shop for first time buyers and that would offset a £5 drop in the £25 joining fee.
Mart and others were previously arguing for a higher membership fee so the club only had wealthier members. They would have modern cars.
I wish I hadn't said anything now :D
Well I did say stop stirring :D
If anything, it was a tongue in cheek comment based on the number of members the club has that own GTT's, compared to any other form of a Renault Turbo, hence would it be such an issue to revert the name back to how it was?
That's already been answered with sound reason.
As said, we still had members back then with 9/11/21 etc models, so what's the problem now? As also said (and it's not a dig :rolleyes:) the club hasn't really done anything pro-active to entice the new breed of RT motors to rtoc, so why try leading a horse to water when the horse isn't even present/elsewhere in the first place?
The club did reach out to other RT models at that time and as a result IMO brought in new members with other models. The few we had before that came from word of mouth or were existing members who had GTTs but migrated to other cars.
If rtoc is all about the future of RT motors, that's great, but let's do something about getting those new owners on board (which, as I mentioned before, has been discussed at previous AGM's & also on here...to no avail). Renault is about to launch the Clio with a new f.i engine - Are we ready to take them on-board, so to speak? What, as a club, can we offer them that's specific to their motor?
Saying that, where do you think those new owners will go: Here, ClioSport, or a brand new forum that someone will create for them? (akin to ClioTrophy.co.uk for example).
Agreed. We either need to go all out to get these people ahead of other forums, re-brand to some sort of 80's 90's Renault Turbo club to make us distinct but not GTT specific, and/or accept that the club membership will narrow over time. If it's the latter, then I agree, the main body of members is GTT-focused and it's inevitable that we'll end up back where we were 10 years ago, just with less members.
Do we need to start thinking about where the club's future is going, or leave well alone - If we're happy with how things are, then I don't see the problem with reverting back to R5GTOC, thus making it a bit more of an 'exclusive' club for that marque of car, but that's my own personal opinion, be it right or wrong.
I can't agree with this. If we're happy with how things are now then what good is there in reverting and p*ssing off a proportion of our paying members?!
If we're looking to latch onto the new breed of RT motors, great, but let's do something about it then.
Agreed.
Mart and others were previously arguing for a higher membership fee so the club only had wealthier members. They would have modern cars.
:confused: No, it was to bring more money into the club, and also made it on par with what other clubs were asking for membership.
The club did reach out to other RT models at that time and as a result IMO brought in new members with other models. The few we had before that came from word of mouth or were existing members who had GTTs but migrated to other cars.
Trev, come off it mate, did we really do anything out of the ordinary back then to sniff out new members? If that's the case, and as a good example, name me half a dozen members who have/had Megane Turbo's that are/were an rtoc member.
I can't agree with this. If we're happy with how things are now then what good is there in reverting and p*ssing off a proportion of our paying members?!
I don't get why you & 250nut think it would p1ss them off? If they know what the club is already about, and are happy to be part of it regardless, do you think they're petty enough to jump ship should the club name be more marque-specific? Genuine question.
Likewise, what's the point in calling a club something when it isn't? If we had an equal number of members with an equal number of different RT motors, then fair enough, but we don't - The majority of this club are GTT owners.
I'm not trying to get the club to change its name, far from it, but it makes for good discussion & does ask the question about what we should be doing for the club's future with regards to any new/future RT motors.
it makes for good discussion & does ask the question about what we should be doing for the club's future with regards to any new/future RT motors.:agree:
Trev, come off it mate, did we really do anything out of the ordinary back then to sniff out new members? If that's the case, and as a good example, name me half a dozen members who have/had Megane Turbo's that are/were an rtoc member.
I was thinking more in the line of Campus, 9, 11, 21 and Clio conversion members we've gained since becoming RTOC. Of which there have been many over the years.
I don't get why you & 250nut think it would p1ss them off? If they know what the club is already about, and are happy to be part of it regardless, do you think they're petty enough to jump ship should the club name be more marque-specific? Genuine question.
I'm not sure you can speak for all of them Mart. Yes I think it's about the existing members but as mentioned previously, it's also about future non-GTT members.
Likewise, what's the point in calling a club something when it isn't? If we had an equal number of members with an equal number of different RT motors, then fair enough, but we don't - The majority of this club are GTT owners.
Where is it written that a car club has to call itself by the model owned by the majority? I agree that the name should be appropriate, and RTOC is exactly that IMO, given the current club direction and the current membership mix. Of course there's no argument that the large majority of RTOCers are GTT owners.
I'm not trying to get the club to change its name, far from it, but it makes for good discussion & does ask the question about what we should be doing for the club's future with regards to any new/future RT motors.
Agreed, that's what we're doing isn't it? :)
I was thinking more in the line of Campus, 9, 11, 21 and Clio conversion members we've gained since becoming RTOC. Of which there have been many over the years.
But that's past tense. How many members akin to that do we get these days? Most Clio conversions now consist of turbo'ing the 1.8/2L F-series lumps, rather than the C1J, and hence those people, in the majority, now reside on ClioSport. There can't be that many more 9, 11, 21 etc Renault's out there where the member's aren't already (or were) rtoc members, or at least aware of the club.
I'm not sure you can speak for all of them Mart. Yes I think it's about the existing members but as mentioned previously, it's also about future non-GTT members.
I'm not speaking for anyone mate; just myself. If the club's future is more non-GTT members/owners, great, but we're doing nothing to promote that as such, as I keep repeatedly saying. Again, some may say we don't need to, and are happy the way things are.
I agree that the name should be appropriate, and RTOC is exactly that IMO, given the current club direction and the current membership mix
Totally agree, but is there a club direction per se?
I think the club has been dwindling for some years.
The direction now seem to be ditch the body kits and restore the 5GTT's to original and wait for the price to rise.
I thought it was a great mistake to fit the C1J into the Clio's.
And why has this club not got ALL the Clios with turbo converted modern engines?
I think there's been a lack of drive and interest to take the club places for many years. Personally I've been on sick leave for many years and not near the forefront of any car upgrading for at least 6 years. Miller has the ability to do stuff and make things happen but he's barely wanted to, or just preferred to give his time to other areas of his life. Who else has there been since Rachel Head or Goher or people before then? Bruce seemed keen but not really able enough and managed to alienate a lot of people including Rachel. When Bruce moved over was there a stampede to take over? No-one. Rach nominated Miller. I think if it wasn't for Mark Philips web design skills and ownership of a 5GTT the 5GTTOC would possibly have fizzled out in the late 1990's.
Sure there have been individuals with a lot of personal interest and have created nice cars, booked days out, won competitions. But none that felt a need to grow this car club to something really big.
I think a great mistake was to keep if just to turbo charged cars back at that meeting at Santa Pod in 2000 or whenever it was that Goher handed over to Rach and the new club was formed. That was a reaction to what was the present at that time, with a slight view of the near future but not really a distant enough one.
Anyway. What to do now is the question. Let the club slide downwards as it is doing until there are only 10 members, or try and do something to morph it into a sustainable .org, a place that has use to a wider community.
Who's going to do it? I don't mind helping but that's the best I can do.
But that's past tense. How many members akin to that do we get these days? Most Clio conversions now consist of turbo'ing the 1.8/2L F-series lumps, rather than the C1J, and hence those people, in the majority, now reside on ClioSport. There can't be that many more 9, 11, 21 etc Renault's out there where the member's aren't already (or were) rtoc members, or at least aware of the club.
Ok but your posts on the matter have all been past tense thus far. Hence why my responses refer to the past but I take your point, things are different now and they continue to change.
You're right, we need to deal with what is best to do from here (if anything) and be frank about what we think the future will most likely look like for the club.
I'm not speaking for anyone mate; just myself. If the club's future is more non-GTT members/owners, great, but we're doing nothing to promote that as such, as I keep repeatedly saying. Again, some may say we don't need to, and are happy the way things are.
Agreed. More could be done, I don't think we've had any disagreement on that point. I also agree that potentially nothing needs to be done, in which case the name of the club stays the same doesn't it?
Totally agree, but is there a club direction per se?
We have an intended direction (or at least scope): welcome to the internet home of the Renault Turbo Owners Club, the largest collection of Renault turbo enthusiasts on the internet. Catering for all types of Renault turbo including the 5 GT Turbo, 9 Turbo, 11 turbo, 21 Turbo, 25 V6 turbo, R5 Turbo 1 and 2's, Alpine, Gordini, Twingo turbo, Megane Sport Turbo and other one-off's and modern Renault Turbo variants too.
How well the club is doing in fostering that statement and growing the club within its scope is open for debate. We should move the discussion forward to working out whether that scope needs to be changed and if there's a change, we could then look at whether the current club name is still appropriate or whether it ought to be altered.
It's turning into a great discussion :) of which have sadly been missing from the boards for a good while now :(
Ian, I'm fairly sure that the people who have contributed to this thread will help out where they can, I certainly will, but surely this all has to be instigated by Miller, or in the least, the Committee first?
My comments & opinions mean jack sh1t in the grand scheme of things if Miller & the Committee deem everything is fine on the good ship rtoc...which, ironically, my thread of that same name from a few weeks back turned into a sh1t fest for me for asking similar ish questions to those in this thread.
I'm not gonna light that fire again, but if you're asking the question:
Anyway. What to do now is the question. Let the club slide downwards as it is doing until there are only 10 members, or try and do something to morph it into a sustainable .org, a place that has use to a wider community.
That tells me that you're also concerned for rtoc's future, and for a founding/current Committee member to say that, I'd say that's a worry for all rtoc'ers.
I moved this from General Chat as I want to talk about money.
We've enough funds to pay for hosting for a few years so the web site should be safe, apart from somehow being deleted as happened in May 2008. I have it backing up nightly, (I think!) with the hosting company, iomart, based in Scotland, who took over Global Gold a year or so. We may be stretched if we have to fork out quite a bit for the going rate for a new site to be made.
As has been discussed recently, I do my best but I'm not proper geek enough to, eg, hack the source code, or even write php pages. Scoff keeps this amended and working as when needed but it seems he'll not be able to write new sections or anything.
The income from current membership is not too bad but it's not like it was a few years ago. When we have events they need to break even really or near it or we will be running down the reserve and then be too short to subsidise any further days. This is obviously going to happen anyway if the member numbers drop a lot further.
Regarding changing the fee structure. I'm inclined to agree that a lower joining fee would help a bit but we need to keep the renewals, so a flat rate may put off some of those. Some needs to do some kind of accurate forecast of what the effect of fee changes will be. When they went up, the joiners dropped and the renewals rose.
For someone on benefit trying to manage in their own home, even £10 has to be though about, but for the rest, is £25 really putting people off? How many? Even the tiny Fiat club has a £20 fee which even I still feel is worth paying, for how to info to keep it running, and some parts from the members only classifieds, while I still have one of those cars. They only had 110 members but this year I'm member 30 or so and I was late to pay the fee. Things have more or less died there now and I get more output from the free Fiat Forum, but look at the size of it and it's vast model specific area: http://www.fiatforum.com/ The Cinquecento section: http://www.fiatforum.com/cinquecento-seicento/ Each have their own classifieds: http://www.fiatforum.com/classifieds/showcat.php?cat=51
If we did something a bit like that we still have to make some money from it to pay for everything. Maybe their income is from Fiat or from advertising, or both. But that way, even if the 5GTT part shrank and shrank, the club would still carry on with enough income to hire larger events, etc.
But who's going to make that happen? Or anything. It's good that people say they'll offer but the club needs people with ideas who want to do it. There aren't enough people to do much beyond try and keep on top of the daily admin. Lots of people left the committee this year and we're lucky to have two good new volunteers, for memberships and the shop, two key features of the club.
I think Miller is not going to be contribution much this year as he's giving his time to refurbishing the rest of his house. He's not the club leader as such, but one of the management team who's mostly on leave.
There's no senior area rep, no press or advertising person and Steve has said he wants to do the national day, but not organise smaller meetings, though that can be thankless if only two people turn up. More events like the Scoff RR days would help, I think, to make the club a more fun and interesting and alive place to be. But how many current members will go to those. The Cinquecento club have maybe 10 people turn up to cars shows and events several times a year and that gives them some yearly social club plan. RTOC no longer has that, just one meeting really.
I could go on a bit more repeating previous posts but I have to go now and do stuff.
Here's what this club could do with more of? http://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=30305
Except that should be in the Megane section, not general chat? But who would have seen it there?
Speaking as an outsider :coffee:I do not think this club will attract a wider Renault membership .I'm in a few but most tend to stick to their own cliques and established clubs/forums .You need to get in on the ground floor with new models .
It would need a major publicity drive and press coverage and someone willing and able to do that sort of task .
Membership fees should be at a flat rate .15 a year seems fair to me .
I have no time for much CM input these days but that may not always be the case .Life is fluid ,but we do need more input/help from area reps and the general membership .
You just need the will and enthusiasm to do it .Not being on the list shouldn't stop anybody from trying to organise anything .
Light..... End....... Tunnel
Tony Walker
08-10-2012, 19:50
Is there a way we could advertise the boundaries being pushed with the f4r/ f7r b18ft engines??? surely Scoffs f4r conversion would attract other megane/clio owners if it was more publicly known that it was infact there engine? maybe pay for Scoffs membership to other clubs and have it plastered on there pages?
Tony Walker
08-10-2012, 20:04
Maybe our advert in PFC could include other variants more?
turned in an interesting thread with productful comments. i dont know how we could generate more interest though. as lee mentioned there is already set clubs for set cars, although some members to overlap. i guess its the knowledge base which may sway people to or from the club?
i've been on here a while but as there wasn't much info on here when i bought a 21 so i joined up on 21toc. if people ask questions about them on either club i'll do my best to answer, as do other 21toc members but essentially if you seach the net, thats the club that pops up the most, so naturally the one people will choose when looking for a 21 turbo forum. as its a quiet club with sometimes no new posts for a few days i do find myself checking on here alot more.
saying that, i didnt join cliosport when i had my 172. from what i have heard the forum is free which can bring in non enthusiasts and quick money maker rip offs, the majority of members prefer show and shine events so wont attend if the forcast is drizzle and i presume the tuned up owners are more likely to be on here than there anyway as they cant be bothered with the above??
i suppose in that respect its getting a decent turnout for a club stand from a mixture of owners cars at events where new potential members could be at (prob the events that alot of us have stopped going to, shall they be generalised as ali g events?) amongst many car, things like scoff's rwd, duncan's 20vt, blockie's vr6 clio i would have thought would be interesting to most car bods to show what owners are doing, yet scoff's 172t, robbie and russels 16vt etc show that the club is keeping with the times with modern tuning (like 20vt mk1 golfs)
basically, is the club better off attending larger events/shows rather than just exclusive pod/track days (which i think we prefer?)
If the club wants to market itself, then it should attend these shows, even if the people doing so don't want to.
However, that not how it goes.
We'd perhaps need to pay people to go to those specifically to market this club.
Haz, you only mentioned about 5 people though. They would have to go to everything and that's not realistic. If there were 50 or 100 members with cars like that then that could work.
There's nice bit of marketing on the home page now. A photo slide show. http://www.rtoc.org/home.php I post a link for those that have forgotten there is a home page and how to navigate to it :)
I guess Big Steve did that??
thats kind of my point though, if current members arent interested in these sort of events, would we be trying to recuit members that wont gel with current ones causing the numbers to stay the same?
i only mentioned a few to make my point, there's a good few crazy cars on here, but mainly gtt's. how could you tempt in say a handful of twingo turbo owners to join rather than starting up their exclusive club? is having the widest knowledge enough? i guess once there's a few of each model that will draw in other enthusiasts as the club to be in but unless some members move onto newer cars like the megane 225's etc how will they know we're here? i still meet gtt owners that dont know, or not interested in joining rtoc, or other forums.
how about a voucher scheme regards membership. say its £20. as a member you can print off 'become a member' leaflets which you can add your id too. upon a new member registering, using that id code you recive a £2 discount on your next renewal. invite 10 new members and your renewal is free. basic and probably a pain to the orgainisers of this, and some couldn't be bothered, but, everyone can do their bit and invite an array of renault cars??
Big Steve - Raider
09-10-2012, 04:50
I guess Big Steve did that??
:agree: :niceone:
Great topic guys:agree:
One thing I think that is worth mentioning is the average age of our membership, most are in a similar boat to me, when they first joined they maybe didn't have kids/house/mrs and all the responsibility that comes with these things.
Many of our long standing most contributing members are all over 30, most people that age and older naturally don't have a huge amount of time to go to all manner of events.
I personally think the membership will naturally decrease in numbers as both our cars and ourselves get older. For me to keep the club alive and growing we need to try and tap into the younger area of the car scene as this is in my eyes is where the future lies.
Many of us have years of experience of tuning/playing with cars and it's this msg that needs to be given out to the young un's, we need to look at the major selling points of the club and use them to our advantage when it comes to attracting new blood.
For me personally I owe a great deal to this club and it's vast array of info and members and from joining 8 years ago it's been a long and eventfull journy that I hope will continue for years to come. I have made some great friends and had some great times over the years. For me this is what car clubs are all about.
Tony Walker
09-10-2012, 07:57
Maybe fliers at these events giving a large discount to membership say 5-10 pounds a few idiots may join but also a few genuine enthusiasts may join. Without necessarily owning a renturb. Which with a cheap renewal should bump up members and they'l help get the word out about our knowledge base?
I think flyers are a very good idea, reps could take them to all events to distribute and promote the club. We did have some many moons ago and I always kept them in my car. I guess they were lost when the website blew up.
We need more 'active' commitee members/reps to take anything forward. There's a lot of people on her who like to post/talk alot and some have very good ideas. Can these people not offer to help in some way? (practically)
Membership costs need looking into/reviewing :)
Thundercat
09-10-2012, 19:52
Promoting the club is in my opinion first step to getting people's interest in the RTOC scene and to be honest theres one sure way of getting that attention. We drive some fine cars between us within the club and many members of the public from young to old give us the thumbs up. Theres is your perfect opportunity to show case what we are, all down to the signage and those many argue about the idea resurrecting old stickers or modifying our present. It seems simple to me get our members with what ever Renault turbo they drive to get the signage on, if its time to change or modify signage in the RTOC banner then I'll be first to pay and fly a banner or two.
I think the old car derived logo is so catchy, with the 5 gt being the routes of what the club started from and transpose the the current RTOC into it.
This is my own opinion, but the opportunity is here with end season coming with many cars stored away and so why don't we come out next season with a show unity.
Anyway that's my rambling over!
This is my own opinion, but the opportunity is here with end season coming with many cars stored away and so why don't we come out next season with a show unity.
:agree:
In light of a point raised regarding membership fee's, I have seen it suggested some where before, but perhaps running two membership packs may attract a few more people!. Some thing like,
Gold membership pack: full forums and website access, club shop discount, events discount ... In other words the whole shabang!. For your usual £25 and £10 renewal fee.
Silver membership: website and forum access, - no discount entitlements from shop or organised events, or group buys!. For £10 a year with the option of a full upgrade to gold membership and full entitlements for the additional £15
This would maybe draw in a few more people that are maybe not totally committed to doing the RR days , club days/meets and etc, or can not financially commit to these type of days!, or even wish not to benefit from the club offers. This option may also profit RTOC by luring in the % of people that slip through the nets by only owning renault turbos for small periods of time, say like ..6 months, then there interest fizzles out so they naturally sell it on, to the next guy who repeats the cycle . For some one with out long term plans £25 doesn't appeal, maybe £10 would be?!.
Does the club need to expand ? Each attractive car, all be it a classic or a current car, has more or less an online club or forum of some sort specifically designed for them !. the young generation I speak to, half them haven't even heard of the 5 Gtt let alone the other available turbo renaults. So maybe sticking to our current set up isn't so bad! Unfortunately for the senior members of the club who have been around a long time the club may have reached its peak along time ago, because sadly as quick as the years go by as do the shorting number of these cars on the road. This meaning less available cars for new potential owners! Leading into less recruitment for RTOC... But it gives the club an opportunity to gather its active members and bring the club in closer!
Sorry if you thinking am talking dirt, but just an idea?.
Kingscott
10-10-2012, 19:49
Getting membership pack might be an idea........I joined ages ago and I gave up on asking for one!!! :scratch:
Penfold aka The Dealer
10-10-2012, 20:34
Getting membership pack might be an idea........I joined ages ago and I gave up on asking for one!!! :scratch:
Pm alex, he is now in charge of membership packs and has been very reliable :agree:
Please Can I ask who is running the club shop?. I made some purchases last week and haven't Recieved them as of yet?!
The running of the shop has been changing hands so there's been a delay while everything is swapping over but should be back to normal soon
Renault 5 GT Turbo
10-10-2012, 21:55
Getting on for one of the most popular threads in recent times at this rate :coffee:
You've goto remember the age of our cars now, I've just taken 3 new apprentices on and when one of them told me their date of birth was 1995 i was blown away... To me 1995 is an M reg which isn't that old... When I asked him if he knew what a Renault 5 was he looked at me gone out :confused: .
For this club to have survived as long as it has shows just how dedicated the core members are. Does the club need to grow? Do we need to attract young members? or do we just need some new blood in to give us a boost. Like Phil Says we're all getting on a bit, we have houses, wives, kids & responsibilities at work, time is precious and the car club is just a hobby and has to take a back seat.
Mart, I would love to see you on the committee taking the club forward, you have some good ideas and seem keen to make things happen. Why not get involved in the promotion of the club?
http://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?q=twingo+turbo
According to this there are less than 100 UK Twingo-turbo's.
That's not going to expand this club much even if we did get them all!
Rare though. Collectible or rubbish?
I agree. Mart doing promotional stuff is a good idea.
We still need to agree on what type of club we want promoting though first.
- The current one that caters mainly for low and mainly dwindling numbers of certain models?
- Or one that has decided to change it's scope (whichever way that is)?
I went through PayPal and counted up the member numbers for the last 2¾ years.
To view what effect the change in membership fee had I'd have to go a further few years but I found the graph Miller did of the reduction in number new joiners vs. fee change.
The graph is from 2006 / 2007 showing the members numbers drop as the fee rose, though the income remained about the same. The new joiners in 2010 / 2011 are about half that of 2007.
Sep 2012
Renewal = 27
join = 16
Aug 2012
Renewal = 20
join = 15
Jul 2012
Renewal = 28
join = 19
Jun 2012
Renewal = 34
join = 22
May 2012
Renewal = 19
join = 21
Apr 2012
Renewal = 26
join = 18
Mar 2012
Renewal = 25
join = 16
Feb 2012
Renewal = 20
join = 24
Jan 2012
Renewal = 22
join = 17
Dec 2011
Renewal = 25
join = 18
Nov 2011
Renewal = 22
join = 16
Oct 2011
Renewal = 25
join = 16
Sep 2011
Renewal = 30
join = 12
Aug 2011
Renewal = 26
join = 8
Jul 2011
Renewal = 25
join = 17
Jun 2011
Renewal = 28
join = 19
May 2011
Renewal = 36
join = 17
Apr 2011
Renewal = 27
join = 23
Mar 2011
Renewal = 27
join = 14
Feb 2011
Renewal = 20
join = 16
Jan 2011
Renewal = 32
join = 15
Dec 2010
Renewal = 33
join = 11
Nov 2010
Renewal = 20
join = 13
Oct 2010
Renewal = 27
join = 21
Sep 2010
Renewal = 25
join = 12
Aug 2010
Renewal = 33
join = 20
Jul 2010
Renewal = 36
join = 22
Jun 2010
Renewal = 21
join = 22
May 2010
Renewal = 29
join = 26
Apr 2010
Renewal = 24
join = 14
Mar 2010
Renewal = 23
join = 27
Feb 2010
Renewal = 25
join = 25
Jan 2010
Renewal = 32
join = 22
= 389 members joined or renewed so far in first 9 months of 2012 ÷3*4=519
R = 221 ÷3*4=295
J = 168 ÷3*4=224
= 514 members joined or renewed in 2011
R = 323
J = 191
= 563 members joined or renewed in 2010
R = 328
J = 235
A steady reduction in renewals; maybe 7% less in 2012.
http://www.rtoc.org/files/Club%20files/Club%20Financial%20reports/old%20membership%20numbers.gif
Great chart Ian.
So we have stable income despite falling member numbers? Where is the money going? There's less of us to spend it on! Lol. Rhetorical.
This year looks like we'll have the same club numbers as last year. 500 is a good round number to work with when considering event attendance and indeed the club's future.
How many people/Renaults turned up to the ND though? 100-125 or so? 1 in 5 isn't a great result tbh, not sure what that says. :coffee:
we could have it as a word of mouth thing for old timers in the know hankering for past hedonistic 5GTT good times and craving this token as a reminder
That's the exact reason why I want to get my hands on the old-style stickers. Bit like having the 'Elf' and 'There's More to Life With Renault' in the back window and the 'RAC' tax disc holder in the front...bit of a retro trip down memory lane :)
That's the exact reason why I want to get my hands on the old-style stickers. Bit like having the 'Elf' and 'There's More to Life With Renault' in the back window and the 'RAC' tax disc holder in the front...bit of a retro trip down memory lane :)
:agree:
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