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Been around for ever but never done a build thread for any of my GTT's so here it goes.
Any way a few years ago a acquired Steve L's blue shell. Originally I was going to go track style like my old white GTT. A freshly built engine was picked up from my mate Iain and R888's bought for my stock wheels. :)
So whats the plan mate track :)
During building it up I decided I wanted a good road car and not a track car so my cage was sold to a local member and I swapped brand new windscreen surround for a full interior from another local member. I then bought a load of sound deadening and started to cover everything.
After many many months of bugging a mate his brother finally sold is polished P slots to me :smokin:
So whats the plan mate track :)
lol You know what happens dude!
dangerous dave
19-09-2012, 19:12
you should fit a gt tuning bumper, would look ace
:)
lol You know what happens dude!
;) some cheeky track days must be on the cards next year :D
Love that engine bay, proper tidy :agree:
Logg looking good but thought you were running efi now:scratch:
She passed the MOT and made it to the ACE meet! :) and the rush to run the car in before Frog of the pod 2009.
After speaking to Tommy B and Rob @Backyard I decided on getting the GTT hub's machined rather than the wheels since they only had 57.1mm centres rather than the GTT's 60.1m. So after Speaking to Robbie (turboted) he said he know some one so off all the bit went and in a week or so I had the bits back. So it all got fitted thanks Robbie. Then after getting grief From Marc (carcrash) and Dave (Dog**** Dave) We did an emergency paint job on the centres of the P slots the day before Fog of the pod.
you should fit a gt tuning bumper, would look ace
:)
spoilers
Logg looking good but thought you were running efi now:scratch:
I'll get to that eventually dear boy
Love that engine bay, proper tidy :agree:
Thanks but it wasn't a very practical engine bay layout but looked pretty that has changed a lot as I carry on with what happened over the years. ;)
I'll get to that eventually dear boy
Oops:ashamed:
So off to the Pod we all went Think i only run high 14's that year at 16psi. but was getting fed up with boost hose popping off.
So before Mallory The engine bay got changed a bit to try and solve the boost hoses popping off. So a carb top came back and big bling mikalor clamp everywhere problem solved. :)
But At Mallory I my turbo gave way :cry: But it was a Ebay buy at £22 many years ago. The lads helped me bodge a bolt into the block where the oil feed comes out and off on my merry way home I went. :D
Oh Dave you still owe me money for that bet on how long that turbo would last. :cooter:
Noting much else changed coming into 2010 as I was toying with the idea of going 16v turbo So I bought a pwr charge cooler ready for it. me being me I didn't go through with it.
POD came around again so off I trotted and spent the day playing with jets and boost levels. Until BOOM miss fires and smoke. :cry: at worst a cracked liner or at best just headgasket failure was diagnosed. lucky Sunday Robbie towed my five home and I got to drive his completely oe GTT. :agree: I cracked on with taking the head off once home to just find it was a headgasket. :smokin: and had it back together by the time it was dark. Got to love how simple a C1J can be.
in the end I found my issue was ACT related after fitting a Ian S gauge so the grill mounted frontera intercooler wasn't up to the job. I then fitted the PWR cooler which was just as bad. :cry: even after uprating the pump, size of pipes and pre rad.stk at 14psi max and 50-60 degree inlet temps :cry:
As winter started to come in I spoke to Steve about what size front mount he had fitted before I bought the car. As it turned out it was a size that was still for sale on Ebay so £70 Toyosport intercooler was bought. lucky I have a bag full of hoses so boshed the cooler on the car. Hey presto ACT in control within 15-20 degrees of ambient under boost. :D So up went the boost to 20psi happy days. :D
For some reason work decided to give me a few hundred pounds hmm Should I pay off my credit card or spend on Beatrice. You can guess what won so I spoke to Chris (Scoff) about using Adaptronic for mappable ignition with eventually going full EFI. So I bought all that was need to get the car running. With the info from Chris and spannering help From Dan (bigdanc) we got it running in just a fee hours. and that brought 2010 to the end. :cool:
interesting read and nice looking car :agree:
Nice 1 logg , quick q what did u do with old ram air filter ?? Want to sell it ? Or where did you get your new filter from thanks matt :)
Nice 1 logg , quick q what did u do with old ram air filter ?? Want to sell it ? Or where did you get your new filter from thanks matt :)
I can't rember what happened to the old ram air filter but the new filter came from auto specialists.
http://www.autospecialists.co.uk/Cosworth-Grp-A-Cone-filter-with-Polished-alloy-trumpet-T3--T34-Turbos-Product-987.html
interesting read and nice looking car :agree:
Cheers. :)
Fab thread.
Is this an advertisement for not buying PWR coolers then!?
Fab thread.
Is this an advertisement for not buying PWR coolers then!?
lol no. I've herd other people have them working fine it was just it didn't work for my set up. With hindsight I believe if I had moved the pre rad down to the bumper or even the old intercooler they would of worked better. As I think the grill area has very poor airflow unlike the bottom of the front bumper.
So onto 2011 and it started with the RTOC group buy of Raceland manifolds what a bargain . Well the manifold was but for me to be able to fit it meant time to get rid of the cossie T3 turbo. :( So I went to see my old Friend Iain at power engineering to talk turbo and we decided to go for the smallest GT series turbo that could flow 250bhp (Well according to Garrett) which was a GT2056.
Now this is where the year went crap with fabricators messing me about with getting a downpipe made. Which finally got all finished end of Dember. :sad2:
but anyway the new turbo got bodged on after the MOT and made it to national day at Mallory which went ok with out any issues apart from the external wastegate blowing.
Before Frog of the pod went to see Iain for him to make sure the ignition map was safe and too my surprise it made 209/227@18psi :laugh: . We did try 22psi but it didnt have enough fuel at the top end as we all know Rolling roads should be taken with a pinch of salt but I was more happy with the shape of the graph rather then the power.
So off to the Pod we went again and I ran a flat 14@102 still with all my crap in the boot and exhaust blowing issues before the turbo. Which carried on till the end of August where my external wastegate take off started to crack so Beatrice was off the road. :cry: until a new fabricator could be found. That finally was sorted at the end of of 2011
TNT ANDY
25-09-2012, 18:50
Awesome work Logg - hope to be up there with you at some point
Awesome work Logg - hope to be up there with you at some point
lol I have not done 2012 yet.
So 2012 as drawing to an end and another year of the madness thats GT turbo ownership has almost gone. :)
This year I thought I'd save some money, enjoy the car and the French trip.
But nope after some drunken Ebay bidding I won a brand new unused GT tuning front bumper for £40. :D I'd wanted one for over ten years but the £299 + VAT price always put me off. :) So happy Days the bumper and two new oe grills when off to Tom at Lemass ( http://www.lemass.co.uk/ ) one grill was being debadged and the bumper had the mesh holes filled in and number plate recess made to fit my 3/4 number plate the price wasn't cheap but I trust his judgement and am very happy with his work.
Also I started to tune the carb further than before getting up to 24psi with a adjustable fpr and going back to 1.7mm needle valve. On boost it was epic but off boost and around town was well :crap: :sad2:
Then the last pieces of my EFI jigsaw came up for sale so there went the rest of my savings for the French trip :cry: but EFI :smokin:. Three weeks before National day I decided to start the conversion cause I was bored. lol I made it to national day on my very poor mapping with 12psi of boost. :) mid august my car went to Scoff's for mapping I asked for a mega safe map as I liked the odd spirited drive you could say :laugh:. The car made 206/210 22psi midrange 24psi top end still on my baby GT20 (75% duty on 470cc injectors). Since then apart from maintenance and a couple of little bit's it's been great fun plus close to 40mpg on a run is a bonus.
:burnrubber:
Looking good! The gt2056 is a popular choice with the turbo minis. Did you ever run it without the external wastegate?
Looking good! The gt2056 is a popular choice with the turbo minis. Did you ever run it without the external wastegate?
Nope never tried after a Google search I had a read up on the mini forum and they said they got massive boost spikes so I just went external. Plus I seem to remember and chairman had the same issues a few years ago with Emma s car. I love the little blower response is near instant which is fun but makes town driving entertaining as 1/4 throttle and your wheel spinning down the road. :wasntme:
Ah cool that's why I was asking :) like you say bet its a nice drivable car!
Ah cool that's why I was asking :) like you say bet its a nice drivable car!
Yep is a great turbo for a small engine car.
With age comes wisdom I started to realise that unless you build a a really silly C1J the limit seems to be about 250hp. So I just picked the smallest turbo that would flow that.
jesus in the seat of a 5
04-12-2012, 19:31
nice goin log, im just putting dave reeds engine, turbo etc etc in the hillclimb car, where did you mount your ecu bud?????
nice goin log, im just putting dave reeds engine, turbo etc etc in the hillclimb car, where did you mount your ecu bud?????
I know mate he said :smokin: that's a beast of an engine . I just put the ECU in the glove box. :)
jesus in the seat of a 5
04-12-2012, 19:41
I know mate he said :smokin: that's a beast of an engine . I just put the ECU in the glove box. :)
cheers buddy, thats what where we thought of putting, forgot to ask dave where he put his....:laugh:, danny said rubber mount it to the floor, near my battery but i thought the g box....:agree:, out of harms way...
The main thing is that you have easy access to it for your cable and laptop for tinkering for me.
jesus in the seat of a 5
04-12-2012, 19:52
The main thing is that you have easy access to it for your cable and laptop for tinkering for me.
:D...ahh true, thats something ill have to start to learn...:laugh:, are you using a standard box, i only ask as i am , all be it with a quaiffe diff, its just someone from the club said to me 270bhp and rapid launches will muller that box matty....:scratch:
:D...ahh true, thats something ill have to start to learn...:laugh:, are you using a standard box, i only ask as i am , all be it with a quaiffe diff, its just someone from the club said to me 270bhp and rapid launches will muller that box matty....:scratch:
Yep stock box I've just fitted Daves old box last weekend as mine had been rattling for the last few years and it seems like a good box so hopefully you'll be fine. There's only one way to find out mate but remember it's torque and harsh use that kill's box's/cluches not bhp. The JC5 seemed to last well with Turbo Ted's So if it did die maybe getting your diff fitted to a good/rebuilt JC5 would be the way forward.
jesus in the seat of a 5
04-12-2012, 20:13
Yep stock box I've just fitted Daves old box last weekend as mine had been rattling for the last few years and it seems like a good box so hopefully you'll be fine. There's only one way to find out mate but remember it's torque and harsh use that kill's box's/cluches not bhp. The JC5 seemed to last well with Turbo Ted's So if it did die maybe getting your diff fitted to a good/rebuilt JC5 would be the way forward.
true my friend... something to think about, as you say , ill find out next season...:laugh::agree:, if i ever can afford proper new slicks!!!....:eek::laugh:, is the jc5 a williams box..:scratch:
true my friend... something to think about, as you say , ill find out next season...:laugh::agree:, if i ever can afford proper new slicks!!!....:eek::laugh:, is the jc5 a williams box..:scratch:
JC5 if I remember rightly is clio 16v/Williams/172/182 the numbers that come after JC5 will tell you what ratios they have insiide
jesus in the seat of a 5
04-12-2012, 20:19
JC5 if I remember rightly is clio 16v/Williams/172/182 the numbers that come after JC5 will tell you what ratios they have insiide
ahh cheers buddy, something to look out for next then...:), thanks bud, ill not take up any more of your thread...:ashamed:...;), keep up all the good work on yours!!!!
So two months into 2013 and I've just load of welding done had been holding off for the last few years collecting all the panels. luckly it was pretty much all under the kit. This just leaves four spots to get done next winter windscreen, both rear 1/4 windows and a fresh boot. but none of it will stop it from getting a MOT so happy days.
A huge thanks to Robbie for his skill. :agree::agree::agree::agree::agree:
http://www.rtoc.org/files/index.php?path=Technical%20Files/Logg/Welding%20Feb%202013/
Also fitted the Group buy Koni's I've set them to soft ( I know must be getting old) feel great Thanks to Wallace and Ian for sorting it. :) The old Leda shocks didn't want to give my springs back so this happened.
dangerous dave
05-03-2013, 11:37
Top stuff, that won't be rotting away anytime soon.. :agree:
Wow well over a year since I last updated my build. well not much as changed well apart from changing from a gt2056 to a EFR6258 turbo, gone from 2.5' downpipe to a 3' one, 14' P slots have been sold and now on freshly dimoand cut 15' P slots. Boost is set to 1.8 Bar and everything seems happy............... For now.
Wheels on the car.
Sorry about all the posts bloody iPhone only lets me upload one at a time.
Logg, car's looking great, how you finding the new turbo?
Nice P slots :) suit the car very well :)
Have you had the bore machined out to 60.1mm as they are VW bore size 57.1mm aren't they?
Logg, car's looking great, how you finding the new turbo?
Epic just got to get use to it having no boost at all below 3k at all I keep on thinking I've popped a hose off. 3k has 0.7bar than 1bar at 3.5k then what ever boost I want by 4k. I'll show you if I ever have the spare fuel for a Surrey meet.
Nice P slots :) suit the car very well :)
Have you had the bore machined out to 60.1mm as they are VW bore size 57.1mm aren't they?
Yeah these wheels have been taken out to 60.1. still running 57.1 rear hubs so have spigot rings on the back.
Well more miles have been mucnched but Beatrice and her oe pistons are still coping with 27psi........ How much longer they will is anybody's guess. :scared:
Back at the start of the year I bought a boost circuit testing kit. When used I found my pikey boost run wouldn't hold any pressure at all. :cry: After taking hoses off cleaning the join and re tightening it was all sorted boost circuit now holds 30psi and with it all connected up my engine holds 20psi. No leaks from the injectors or efi fannymold. :agree: over the last few months I've been able to hear a boost leak so out come the tester again to find yet again it wouldn't hold any pressure. after lots of fiddling I've found my cheap eBay external wastegate was leaking from the bottom port past the valve stem and out the screamer pipe. After a google search I found out most externals leak this way but should stay pressurised for a few seconds. oh well it had a good innings over four years time for a branded item turbosmart ultra 38 is in the post as I write this. :)
Picture of the kit.
Lovely to read the efr turbocharger performs so well on only a 1.4, it really seems they are in a league of there own:agree:
Lovely to read the efr turbocharger performs so well on only a 1.4, it really seems they are in a league of there own:agree:
Nothing I can say about it does it justice. looking at other people's boost maps from rolling roads it spools up quicker than a T28 with a 0.49 rear. I'm hoping a proper wastegate might give it a little but more. :)
I'll try and get a video of how it boosts up at some point. In one of my pictures you can see it's @1.7/8 bar before 4.5k :D and that was just stamping on the peddle in forth not along pull. :)
Oh and I've not got the foggiest how or why it's boosting up so early as the vw 20v don't seem to spool them much earlier.
kentraider
08-09-2014, 15:26
Epic ......well done matey :agree:
Epic ......well done matey :agree:
Cheers Dan hows your efi coming along?
Boost is a function of flow so saying the vw engine doesn't spool it much earlier doesn't say it doesn't make power there, none the less it's great to read it performs so well on your engine!
Hoping this will boost my chance to sell the 7064 :D
Benjibrady
08-09-2014, 21:58
Good read mate. Has given me some ideas for turning mine back from a track car to a fast road set up.
Boost is a function of flow so saying the vw engine doesn't spool it much earlier doesn't say it doesn't make power there, none the less it's great to read it performs so well on your engine!
Hoping this will boost my chance to sell the 7064 :D
I did spot that turbo you had up for sale would go well on a 16v turbo.
kentraider
09-09-2014, 14:29
Cheers Dan hows your efi coming along?
Im gonna start with the build in next two weeks....gotta render the front of me house ......
Ive got everything i need except ecu...im gonna order an adaptronic from chris at efi parts then im away....i was gonna get car resprayed but ive changed my mind as its a cat d from an incident years ago....just not worth it so im gonna leave car in grey primer and spend paint money on go faster bits.....:D:cooter::cooter:
Im gonna start with the build in next two weeks....gotta render the front of me house ......
Ive got everything i need except ecu...im gonna order an adaptronic from chris at efi parts then im away....i was gonna get car resprayed but ive changed my mind as its a cat d from an incident years ago....just not worth it so im gonna leave car in grey primer and spend paint money on go faster bits.....:D:cooter::cooter:
Sounds like you've been busy and going for a fast rat look. ;)
kentraider
09-09-2014, 18:26
Sounds like you've been busy and going for a fast rat look. ;)
Yep thats the one andy ...:D
Ive done loads to the bodywork to straighten up the lines etc...if i can get mine to shift anything like yours then maybe the rat look will be overlooked haha :agree:
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