R5 GTT Side decal dimenson and picture referance needed... [Archive]

BILLY-R5GTT

05-09-2012, 10:54

I have a company that are willing to make up replica decals. I have already explained the dot and fade and they think they can replicate the whole side decal in any colour.

If someone can please email me all the dimensions and some clear images of the decals and tell me what colour vehicle they are for it would be a great help.

Please email them to me at:

william.brown2@network.rail.co.uk before 3pm

No1_engineer@hotmail.com after 3pm

The sooner the better really I can print them off and go down to the place today.

Thanks

Danboi2

07-09-2012, 10:28

Did you have any joy with these?

Bigfoot

07-09-2012, 10:49

If you search for side decals in the search feature there are a few posts on these. Some of them are the replica ones which the dot pattern isn't right, it blurs the dots together as they are too close, that was what I was having trouble with, need a find a company which does 25dpi printing I got told and around there.

This is the one with me trying to look into it

http://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=25789&highlight=side+decals&page=3

car.crash

07-09-2012, 10:58

Side decal threads are the new cup mod threads.

BILLY-R5GTT

07-09-2012, 11:04

I have saved all the pic's from that thread in a folder on my comp but I can't really get any further without dimensions or a sketch.

If I get a good set made up then i'll be happy to get them dished out.

I can always just measure the ones on my 5 when I collect it on the 15th. I thought I might of had a bit more response to be honest to get the ball rolling.

I have had no response from anybody yet lol

Bigfoot

07-09-2012, 11:42

I haven't got any cars with them on, the one car I did have I didn't measure up, I just cut the panel out and handed it to the sticker company for them to look into

Danboi2

07-09-2012, 12:52

Ive got some rough measurments for you

Total length 70 " by 6" and thats upto where the angle of the door changes

seperate sizes

17" by 6" rear panel
47" by 6" door
6" by 6" wing

Jimmy5

07-09-2012, 18:16

Only photo I had showing the graphics are on that thread bigfoot has shown you a link to. I would be interested in a set of side decals by the way!

BILLY-R5GTT

07-09-2012, 19:13

Ive got some rough measurments for you

Total length 70 " by 6" and thats upto where the angle of the door changes

seperate sizes

17" by 6" rear panel
47" by 6" door
6" by 6" wing

Cheers Dan, is there any chance you can put that in mm to be exact? Sorry to be a pain... :agree:

Also Dan would you be able to measure the top and bottom of the wing and rear quarter decals so I can get both the angles on the verticals?

Here's a pic of all the dimensions (in yellow) we would really need to get a replica made up, what does everyone think? I could make a cardboard template quite easy.

Unless someone would like to send me a set to copy?

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n622/Reno5gtt/Dimensions.jpg

Can I also just ask, has anyone got a problem with me trying to doing this? And if they do how much are they selling them for and are they copies or genuine Renault?

I would like to say I would be in this for no profit at all. I am new to the forum so I don't actually know if people are already on to this. From what I have read in threads people are at a dead end besides getting them from Renault themselves so I am just trying to get a lead and help other members out.

If others are already on to this then I will do the decent thing and knock it on the head.

Please let me know.

Nottswoody

07-09-2012, 19:44

You crack on bud I haven't seen anyone doing them sucssefully yet and I'm sure there will be a demand for them.. I would Definatley want some for a red 5 :agree:

hickman

07-09-2012, 19:46

Sounds good buddy I'd 100% be up for a set of tungsten :)

Bigfoot

07-09-2012, 19:50

As said on previous ones, all companies can do a fade pattern thats easy. Its the how the dots go from larger to smaller which is the problem especially in the design that Renault done for these stickers, as per my post which I showed up a link I could get that close to it but the dots were way too small to make it look good and when on a car is just turns into a blur, its the same design as the people abroad have got. The ones from Raj which he done I think was the other way round, dots were too large in between them, even though they looked good which im sure most companies will have to get it depends on how close people are after with the originals

BILLY-R5GTT

07-09-2012, 20:35

Will people be happy with just the fade or exact Renault copies?

I'll have to look at the ones on my 5 when I get it, i'm sure they're still on i but i've not seen it in 2 years...

How much could you get them done for Bigfoot? Or what you think they will cost to replicate?

The black one here looks good in the above posts.

Bigfoot

07-09-2012, 20:44

With cost of getting replicated think it worked out at around £50 delivered. Having just faded would be a lot cheaper as there is no real design behind it but guessing those asking for it wouldn't be happy with a fade they would want as close as possible to original

Ian S

07-09-2012, 20:58

Haz said yesterday in the other thread that if originals can be scanned and supplied to him as a pdf, the company he spoken to can do them.

Can people possibly work together on these? Then they might get done for the first time :) Or at least, a list of companies who CAN'T do them can be listed.

Bigfoot

07-09-2012, 21:05

I think only a new copy would be able be scanned due to shape of wing but you will have to peel apart one to scan. You will also have to scan the length of it, as dots won't be straight all the way across. Also scanner will have to be high res to see dot pattern so PDF will be useless

Ian S

07-09-2012, 21:25

I moved this thread so they can all be here side by side in club talk.

spoken to the sticker place today. side decal replicas are no problem and would be at a good price providing i can supply them with a scanned in version on pdf or similar formats, their scanner could only do the wing and qtr decals. once i have it on file they can provide all the colour schemes from the one copy, its just a case of colour matching the ones on cars first time round and keeping notes of the codes. any other colour schemes for example light grey/orange on mine would be possible too but at a small additional charge due to it being a one off. no prices as yet as still need to contact some companies regards the scanning as that cost would have to be absorbed too.

same applies for any other stickers, batches of any colour rtoc logos etc. i can get these made up using existing ones to keep costs down as they dont have to design them from scratch. window stickers can be the inside or outside type, although outside are cheaper.

so all thats needed, once i've sorted a company to scan and convert the files, is some members to provide the samples :)

Haz

07-09-2012, 21:26

I'm trying to sort this atm, but like you need some to go off. I see your asking for dimensions so assume these will be getting made from scratch so I don't see how the company will replica the dots? To add to that, and it's been a while since I looked up close but they aren't dots I think they start at the wing as triangles then into dots? Basically they have been designed so they are very difficult to replicate. I suspect some members will be happy with a solid fade out and the gt turbo, but most will want it to look exactly the same but for some only oe will do but a good saving for one that is identical bar a minor detail I'm sure will be fine. That will need scanning, that's what I'm trying to sort out, but, by all means get a sample done

Haz

07-09-2012, 21:28

You both beat me to it, yes high res scanning of the original required which will render it useless, however a copy will be replaced.

Ian S

07-09-2012, 21:33

PDF will be uselessThe magazines use high resolution pdfs for the proofs. I read that pdfs don't have a resolution, they are a container for graphics that do. If they are optimised for the web, then they'll be low. That's all I know about it, more than I know in fact :)

Ian S

07-09-2012, 21:36

You both beat me to it, yes high res scanning of the original required which will render it useless, however a copy will be replaced.So we simply need to buy a pair? Or someone donates on the basis that they get an original looking pair to replace them?

How many are going to be made / sell?

Bigfoot

07-09-2012, 21:59

The magazines use high resolution pdfs for the proofs. I read that pdfs don't have a resolution, they are a container for graphics that do. If they are optimised for the web, then they'll be low. That's all I know about it, more than I know in fact :)

Scanning in the image will only have a certain res, then to convert to PDF can make a difference as well with the converter used. Other thing with scanning is background will need to be removed as its transparent. Other issue found is when printing white need to make sure it don't let light through the colour as on a red car will turn it pink

Haz

07-09-2012, 23:07

i dont know much either with the process, scanning or printing, i didnt ask. i just asked can you make these with a pic i had. they guy says that so long as its in pdf format, which is one they can adjust, or eps or al they can do it. just not the likes of jpeg etc.
once he has the scanned image in that format he has ink colour charts to which i can then offer up to the various sets on cars to pick the best match, then its just a case of then doing their thing. your prob right dale, but i shall double check regards the white.
so yes, either purchase or a donation. a purchase would be better in the event that it doesn't go to plan and have an upset member, but i have expalined the rarity of these items and shall be checking upon each process that it definately can be done before peeling open the backing. i have seen some series 1 rs turbo decals they have done in the past and bar one missing dot for copyrighting looked spot on.

BILLY-R5GTT

08-09-2012, 18:13

Yes like Ian said we could work together on it, i'd be up for that. Like I said i'm not in it for profit so I don't mind who get's them made up :) If your happy doing this Haz you stay in charge of it :agree:

If we buy one set for say a red 5, get them copied then printed can we then mess around with the colouring afterwards so everyone can get a set for any colour of 5 rather than having to buy a set for every colour of 5 to start with?

Does that make sense? lol

Could we start a kitty? I'd be happy to throw a few quid in. :agree:

Bigfoot

08-09-2012, 18:22

No point going for red as that will not scan well as they have changed the design, what you want is like the white 5 which has dark dots rather than the white/silver dots from the red one

Ian S

08-09-2012, 18:27

OK so does anyone know of / have such a one for sale?

Will a pair be needed or just one?

BILLY-R5GTT

08-09-2012, 18:36

I think one would do Ian then just flip it once it has been scanned (I think that's how it works)

A white 5 decal would be perfect bigfoot :D

Danboi2

08-09-2012, 18:53

Someone could try sending this guy a message and maybe putting in a cheeky offer seems hes only selling one side for £100 and you can get a brand new pair for about £150

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230748222500?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-5-GT-Turbo-Side-Door-Sticker-Decal-Right-New-7701202825-7701205888-/330652680215?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cfc6f8017

Nottswoody

08-09-2012, 19:34

Iv seen this months ago I guess that's why he's still got it

Danboi2

08-09-2012, 19:43

Yea me too they dont look in the best condition but if your gonna wreck them by scanning them perfect ones to use

BILLY-R5GTT

08-09-2012, 20:14

Jimmy5

10-09-2012, 20:21

Just found this on an old thread, maybe of help.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee250/Mauncerblades/GT_Turbo.jpg

BILLY-R5GTT

11-09-2012, 07:45

I've messaged him through Ebay to see if he has any for a white 5, one say's it's for a red one and the other doesn't say what it's for... Or does it and i've missed it?

I'll see what he says and let you's know.

The guy got back to me and he was asking for the chassis number from may car to see if he had any other decals that would match a white 5. I don't pick my 5 up till weekend so there is no chance of that, I have asked him if there is any other way he can find out for me.

Can't see the link you have put up Salty... on the works comp at the moment and it's been filtered out for some reason.

Tony Walker

11-09-2012, 07:57

Could the club shop not make the payment towards the decals to be supplied, then claw back £5 per set to get the money back?

Ian S

11-09-2012, 12:20

Yes that's the plan. I'll buy the 'test' decal(s) and they'll be sold from the shop.

If we can come up with some idea of how many will sell then we can divide the costs into that and determine the retail price.

Ian S

11-09-2012, 12:24

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230748222500?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-5-GT-Turbo-Side-Door-Sticker-Decal-Right-New-7701202825-7701205888-/330652680215?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cfc6f8017
Is one of those the same as would be on a white 5GTT, as mentioned a few post up as the ideal choice?

Jonny5

11-09-2012, 12:31

BILLY-R5GTT

11-09-2012, 14:23

Is one of those the same as would be on a white 5GTT, as mentioned a few post up as the ideal choice?

I think Bigfoot mentioned white would be the best to copy...

One of them on Ebay is for a red gtt the other doesn't say what it is for. I've emailed the seller and waiting for my second response. I'll let you know if it's for a white 5 as soon as he gets back to me.

:agree:

Andyturbo!

11-09-2012, 20:12

I would defo want a set for my red 5 if we can get them done in the original colours, black and grey/silver

chezzer85

11-09-2012, 21:23

I'd be interested in a set depending on price and quality;)

Tony Walker

11-09-2012, 21:33

Fishey

11-09-2012, 21:38

I will be needing a set for a black one soon as its going for a full respray this weekend.

Danboi2

12-09-2012, 08:07

same here set for a black car

FSP

12-09-2012, 20:26

Set for silver GTT... :agree:

Ian S

12-09-2012, 20:38

1 Jonny5
2 Andyturbo
3 chezzer85
4 Fishey
5 Danboi2
6 FSP

hickman

12-09-2012, 20:56

I want a set for a tungy pls

1 Jonny5
2 Andyturbo
3 chezzer85
4 Fishey
5 Danboi2
6 FSP
7 hickman

LiamR

12-09-2012, 22:06

Another set for a tungy pls

1 Jonny5
2 Andyturbo
3 chezzer85
4 Fishey
5 Danboi2
6 FSP
7 hickman
8 LiamR

Nottswoody

12-09-2012, 22:52

[QUOTE=LiamR;291130]Another set for a tungy pls

1 Jonny5
2 Andyturbo
3 chezzer85
4 Fishey
5 Danboi2
6 FSP
7 hickman
8 LiamR
9 Nottswoody red 5

Jimmy5

12-09-2012, 23:12

Dependent on price and quality I will have a set for a silver gtt

Alistair Gresty

12-09-2012, 23:34

[QUOTE=LiamR;291130]Another set for a tungy pls

1 Jonny5
2 Andyturbo
3 chezzer85
4 Fishey
5 Danboi2
6 FSP
7 hickman
8 LiamR
9 Nottswoody red 5
10 alistair gresty (black 5 if the quality is good)

gtmatt

13-09-2012, 08:46

1 Jonny5
2 Andyturbo
3 chezzer85
4 Fishey
5 Danboi2
6 FSP
7 hickman
8 LiamR
9 Nottswoody red 5
10 Alastair
11 Gtmatt white car

BILLY-R5GTT

13-09-2012, 16:08

1 Jonny5
2 Andyturbo
3 chezzer85
4 Fishey
5 Danboi2
6 FSP
7 hickman
8 LiamR
9 Nottswoody red 5
10 Alastair
11 Gtmatt white car
12 Billy-R5gtt (White 5)

BILLY-R5GTT

14-09-2012, 14:28

Never had a reply from the guy on Ebay, I think we're going to have to find somewhere else to get a set of white decals from to copy...

Benjer182

14-09-2012, 17:47

Let me tell you where I am, I'm in For a tungsten

1 Jonny5
2 Andyturbo
3 chezzer85
4 Fishey
5 Danboi2
6 FSP
7 hickman
8 LiamR
9 Nottswoody red 5
10 Alastair
11 Gtmatt white car
12 Billy-R5gtt (White 5)
13 Benjer182

Ian S

15-09-2012, 10:10

http://www.rtoc.org/boards/album.php?albumid=53&pictureid=7000

http://www.rtoc.org/boards/album.php?albumid=53&pictureid=7000A pic of white 5GTT with a red printed decal on grey backing.

Dale is this the colour you were referring to?

Ian S

15-09-2012, 10:16

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/adscan/d9e4c7d6.jpg

From Dales thread:http://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=25789&highlight=side+decals&page=3

Is that grey backing graduated from top to bottom?

Are all the OE decals on a plain grey background and this photo of this graduated one is an after market custom design?

The two eBay decals from the previous page, one appears to be red writing and states it for a black car. The backing on that appears to be grey. The other appears to have white writing on a grey back ground.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230748222500?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-5-GT-Turbo-Side-Door-Sticker-Decal-Right-New-7701202825-7701205888-/330652680215?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cfc6f8017
http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/16/96/45/04/img_7810.jpg

Another graduated grey, but this one dark grey to red. Is this the original look?

phase i 16 v turbo

15-09-2012, 10:24

Would like some for the Phase 1. Is this possible?

Ian S

15-09-2012, 10:39

Are the phase one different then? Do you have a photo please?

phase i 16 v turbo

15-09-2012, 10:55

Are the phase one different then? Do you have a photo please?

Yes they are different and different colours. I have one OE set in at the moment that we couls ciopy. Also have OE Phase 2 sets that we can copy.:agree:

Ian S

16-09-2012, 11:29

sets that we can copy.:agree:Thank's Mike :agree:

I think next we have to ascertain that the printers Haz is dealing with can actually do it.

Haz was / is looking for somewhere to scan the full length of the door decal, then we'll need a decal and get perhaps just the rear scanned and have them print it and then we'll know :)

Here's a pic of a red one showing white text and graduated grey. Is that original then?

http://www.rtoc.org/boards/album.php?albumid=53&pictureid=7007

Haz

16-09-2012, 12:16

thought they were different styles for ph1 and ph2.
the printer tells me they are able to print anything, i'm not sure of how detailed the printer can go but the ford series 1 side decals were faultless.
afaik the only problem would be what quality may be lost during the scanning process hence needing to find a company that can scan the length of the door decal, and with adequate dpi to keep the image crisp, and then convert to pdf format.
i did call a few places but i have found a few more since, just yet to call to see what they can do. trying locally to start with so i can oversee all processes to make sure the originals arent ruined or lost.
i feel some of the copies in the past have been ok, just not good enough for the oe enthusiast so want to get these spot on. it may take some time as cant devote full time to it, but i am on with it ;)

Jonny5

16-09-2012, 18:35

Does this pic help :crap:

http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u410/JonnyR5-2008/b8bdabfd.jpg

BILLY-R5GTT

18-09-2012, 10:24

gtmatt

23-11-2012, 22:48

I've spoke to a friend who's in the printing game and says these have to be screen printed and not digital as they will only last a year before they fade.

Any news on these

Bigfoot

23-11-2012, 23:29

I've spoke to a friend who's in the printing game and says these have to be screen printed and not digital as they will only last a year before they fade.

Any news on these

Yeah thats what I heard as well to get this kind of design, though another company said they do a protective layer over the stickers to keep the colour from fading

Chris Beer

14-12-2012, 21:58

Decal threads are becoming exhausting to read ! :laugh:

I'm almost tempted to slap at credit card at Renault and buy some genuine ones :cry:

TopCat

14-12-2012, 22:03

Decal threads are becoming exhausting to read ! :laugh:

I'm almost tempted to slap at credit card at Renault and buy some genuine ones :cry:

Me too- my printer told me the same (they can print anything) but turns out they can't!

I've been to about 6 different printers now. Just gonna buy some from Renault direct. Might see if I can get discount if I buy a few sets.