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Josie172cup
29-07-2012, 16:58
Hi Everyone, I wasn't too sure how to start this thread so I'm just going to jump straight in and let you know what my plan is and show you what I'm dealing with :) Right well here we go...

I bought the car in summer 2010 from a fellow RTOCer and although I've had my fair share of problems i don't regret buying her one bit :) I put her off the road for winter 2010. Then in march 2011, shortly after the MOT, my engine died a horrible death and i didn't have the money or time to fix it so the car has sat on the drive as a garden ornament ever since. :sad2:
Over the past few months I've been on and off as to either cut my losses and move on, replace the C1J or do an engine conversion. As you can see I've come to my decision and hopefully it's the right one.
My plan is to replace the good old C1J with an F7P which i have purchased from Finch along with a few other bits and bobs. I'm planning on running this on stand alone management and stripping the car to its bare minimal as it will be used purely for weekend / track use so all bling and unnecessary crap will be removed and sold to help pay for the ECU.

As I'm running on a small budget i will have to save for the more expensive items so i aim to have this on the road for spring / summer 2013, hopefully :scratch: more expensive items being ECU, Turbo (either re-con the one i have or new), a roll cage that won't kill me and some seats and harnesses but they can be done later :)
Please be aware this is my first car project of any kind and i literally have no idea where to begin or what goes where and what needs to be fitted in what order I'm totally clueless but very enthusiastic to get stuck in and learn as much as i can about these awesome little machines :D I'm sure i will have plenty of questions so in return I'm going to supply you with lots and lots of pics.

Well thats the boring stuff out the way with, here they come :agree:


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It's just oil and rust from parts that have been stored in the car. There is a slight bit of surface rust in the boot but overall pretty good
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Below shows the rust behind the right plastic thing in the boot
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Below shows the rust behind the left plaastic thing in the boot
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The engine bay thats going to be stripped of everything
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I think these bits are nos related
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Some truely terrible wiring
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some more wiring in the passanger foot well
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Planning on removing the electric windows and just fit some standard windy jobbys
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/487258_4034589339817_759967298_n.jpg

Surface rust on the roof and the "cage of death"
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Now for the Nasty stuff, the following are taken from under the passenger sill
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Now the drivers side
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Passanger side shocker
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Drivers side
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Not sure what i need to keep or can sell but this is some of the stuff i have (minus what Finch is sending up this week)
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Sorry folks have to pop out

To be continued...


I have 2 turbo units, one which has AiResearch on it and another with just Garrett. Apparently the AiResearch unit is a T28 but I don't know exactly how to tell. This was working when my 5 died but has a fair bit of play in both directions.

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and the second turbo which has alot of play

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/208994_4034586259740_649834353_n.jpg

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I'd just like to say that everybody’s comments and opinions will be welcome I'm interested in everything you have to say whether it be a suggestion or a criticism.

Thanks for looking and I'll try and keep this thread as updated as possible

Joe
Coops
29-07-2012, 17:42
Lee's old motor, glad to see your getting stuck in and saving it as the rust looks pretty nasty!
allanr5gtt
29-07-2012, 22:18
good luck with the project and as your on a budget your might not have to use a standalone ecu as i think theres a company that live map's the std clio 16v ecu? just an idea it might save you a penny or two.
Tony Walker
29-07-2012, 22:41
rust doesnt look too bad, inner and outer sills, and the jacking points dont look rotten just tatty. Good luck with the build :D
Josie172cup
30-07-2012, 10:48
good luck with the project and as your on a budget your might not have to use a standalone ecu as i think theres a company that live map's the std clio 16v ecu? just an idea it might save you a penny or two.

Cheers Alan, i'll look into it. Any idea what the company name is?



rust doesnt look too bad, inner and outer sills, and the jacking points dont look rotten just tatty. Good luck with the build :D

Thanks Tony, the pictures show the only real rust on the car apart from a bit round the filler cap and some on the boot but overall it looks pretty solid. I'm going to have to find somebody to fix the sills up. As i don't have a welder and would probably make a mess of it if i did :laugh:

I also remember there being some around the bumper brackets but ill check them when my car cover comes and i can get the front end off :agree:
allanr5gtt
30-07-2012, 20:46
http://www.voodoo-tuning.co.uk/#/clio-16v-williams-tuning/4556752642
Nad-5GTT
30-07-2012, 20:48
Good luck with the rebuild, and keep the pics flowing:D
Josie172cup
31-07-2012, 10:37
http://www.voodoo-tuning.co.uk/#/clio-16v-williams-tuning/4556752642 (http://www.voodoo-tuning.co.uk/#/clio-16v-williams-tuning/4556752642)

I've just had a read through the site and it all looks good but a little unprofessional. I'm strugling to find where its at and any real contact info. Is this a new company? does anybody know anybody who has had any work done here? there is a supercharged clio someone might reckognise :agree:



Good luck with the rebuild, and keep the pics flowing:D

Will do cheers Nad :)
James5
31-07-2012, 12:25
I've just had a read through the site and it all looks good but a little unprofessional. I'm strugling to find where its at and any real contact info. Is this a new company? does anybody know anybody who has had any work done here? there is a supercharged clio someone might reckognise :agree:




Will do cheers Nad :)


He's a clio williams forum member he's based in oxfordshire matey, I know he has mapped car's with success but never seen any decent power figures come out of his work yeah I have seen the supercharged clio aswell. Your best just building and saving for the standalone to be honest:agree:
Josie172cup
01-08-2012, 10:50
He's a clio williams forum member he's based in oxfordshire matey, I know he has mapped car's with success but never seen any decent power figures come out of his work yeah I have seen the supercharged clio aswell. Your best just building and saving for the standalone to be honest:agree:


Cheers James, i've got a few bits and bobs i can sell to fund it so i should be ok :agree:

Looking forward to tomorrow. :D
Josie172cup
02-08-2012, 18:43
Just a little update, the engine and bits i bought came today, on a big ass pallet :D so i thought I'd make a start stripping the engine bay.

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RHS bumper mount looks ok
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LHS not so good. How are these fixed? i seem to remember seeing somebody having some new ones made up? sounds like Ashy's doing?
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Bonnet, bumper, grill and intercooler + most pipework removed
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Close-up of previous pic
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Close-up of previous pic
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A few more bits i removed. I think the next 2 pics are part of a water injection kit can anyone confirm?

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NOS pipework removed. If your interested in any of this stuff im removing give me a shout most of it will be going up for sale when i get the chance (all 5 stuff that won't be used in the conversion).

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/268296_4051185954722_302530712_n.jpg

Some more goodies, Forged low comp pistons on megan 225 rods i think.

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After spending the best part of the afternoon stripping the engine bay of everything bar a few wires, brake booster, some pipework, and a few bits i wasn't sure of i decided to tuck her away for the night :)

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Next on the to do list is to get the engine looked at and cleaned along with cleaning the engine bay. What's the best way to do this? i am thinking pressure washer and a shed load of degreaser :agree:

I would also like to take this opertunity t thanks Finch, James, for the parts and all of time he's spent answering my endless barrage of questions :wasntme: :agree:

Cheers for reading folks, drive safely :rolleyes: :agree:
Alan
02-08-2012, 20:40
great thread, keep us posted
James5
02-08-2012, 20:52
Your welcome matey glad it all got to you ok:agree:

Ref the 2 pics yes they are both to do with your water injection looks like the first pic is your screen washer bottle that has been used as the water injection tank, 2nd pic is the water injection pump, you should have a mist valve and loom for it aswell:agree:
andybond
02-08-2012, 20:56
Meg 225 rods are same as 172 rods. They go all banana shaped at high ( ish ) bhp and torque.
James5
02-08-2012, 20:59
Meg 225 rods are same as 172 rods. They go all banana shaped at high ( ish ) bhp and torque.

300bhp and peeps upgrade to forged on megs Joe knows that already:D
andybond
02-08-2012, 21:49
300bhp and peeps upgrade to forged on megs Joe knows that already:D

Just checking James my good man. Was looking at upgrading my meg power wise but was daft money for 300+
Tutuur
02-08-2012, 22:08
Coincidence? I've sent Scoff a PM this evening regarding what he thinks of the difference in f4 and f7 rods.

The f7 rods are a lot beefier so i reckon they'll atleast take more than f4 rods.
How much however is trial and error!

Very keen in seeing this project though! Whe're doing what Renault never did, build the F engines with turbo!
Josie172cup
03-08-2012, 09:45
great thread, keep us posted

:agree::laugh: will do Alan


300bhp and peeps upgrade to forged on megs Joe knows that already:D

I do :agree: not looking for anything over 300 so they should be good for now... :laugh:



Coincidence? I've sent Scoff a PM this evening regarding what he thinks of the difference in f4 and f7 rods.

The f7 rods are a lot beefier so i reckon they'll atleast take more than f4 rods.
How much however is trial and error!

Very keen in seeing this project though! Whe're doing what Renault never did, build the F engines with turbo!

I've got the bearings for the meg rods now so im going to give them a go, fingers crossed they don't let me down
Tutuur
03-08-2012, 09:50
aren't the bearings the same?
James5
03-08-2012, 10:33
aren't the bearings the same?


F7 are tab tops f4 are not i belive you can use the f4 bearings in the f7 rods though
Josie172cup
03-08-2012, 10:38
aren't the bearings the same?

I don't think so Tutuur something to do with the tabs or lack of them i can't quite remember. Sorry, I'll have a look through my messages and see what James said...

TBC
Tutuur
03-08-2012, 11:02
i have f7r megane rods and they are exactly the same as f4r's although they do have tab locks:)
Josie172cup
03-08-2012, 14:16
i have f7r megane rods and they are exactly the same as f4r's although they do have tab locks:)


No these are the ones you will note the f9q ones dont have tabs in the top and the f7 do, the f4rt rods are tabless so you need f9q:agree:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-Megane-1-9-Dci-F9Q-Engine-Big-End-Bearing-/110781281857?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19cb143641

:agree:
Josie172cup
04-08-2012, 11:08
Just a quick update as i haven't managed to get out done over the past few days :crap:

I found this under the car it looks like it should be attached, maybe an exhaust bracket? but which one i don't know?

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/531445_4058212650385_2077139681_n.jpg

Also I have a question about Stand alone management, do i need to keep any wiring thats already in or can i pull the lot out? By the lot i mean everything. I've decided that as she is not going to be my daily driver to only keep what i really need, essentially a go kart with a roof. :D
Maka
06-08-2012, 10:00
Great car!!!

Good to see there's life in the old slag still.
Miss working on it every weekend.
But marriage and kids took over my life.

Not sure what's happening with the engine but it did have a piper 285 in.
And that carb was set up by scoff to take 20psi.
Did a good job to :)
Maka
06-08-2012, 10:01
Just a quick update as i haven't managed to get out done over the past few days :crap:

I found this under the car it looks like it should be attached, maybe an exhaust bracket? but which one i don't know?

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/531445_4058212650385_2077139681_n.jpg

Also I have a question about Stand alone management, do i need to keep any wiring thats already in or can i pull the lot out? By the lot i mean everything. I've decided that as she is not going to be my daily driver to only keep what i really need, essentially a go kart with a roof. :D

Tht was the old exhaust bracket before side exit wet on.
Bin it
Maka
06-08-2012, 10:06
The second washer tank and pump is for the water injection.
Aquamist jobbie. There's a black relay in the scuttle panel which is part of it to and a sensor I think.

Few years ago that was.

Still say that R5 was much faster than this meg trophy I have now

The bigger turbo is a t28 Ktec unit.
Always had a little play. Had it refurbed and it pulled like a train.

Te smaller unit if it's the one that I chucked in was an old stage 7 gt tuning t2/t25 hybrid.
It died not sure if it's rebuildable
Maka
06-08-2012, 10:12
The wiring for the water injection is shocking! I did that but it worked :)
The roll cage is cosmetic only so is pure death on roll.
Aim with that cage was to not roll the car lol.

The door pins were weak to. As on acceleration from 60mph to 100 the doors tried to open.
If you haven't done them you may want to with an f7p conversion. :)
Josie172cup
06-08-2012, 18:43
The bigger turbo is a t28 Ktec unit.
Always had a little play. Had it refurbed and it pulled like a train.



Where abouts did you get it done as i think it may need another :(


Great car!!!

Not sure what's happening with the engine but it did have a piper 285 in.



I stupidly left it at the engine builders in a rage :mad: that was over a year ago i'm gunna phone them see if they still have it lol :p




The roll cage is cosmetic only so is pure death on roll.



It's getting ripped out when i have the space or a buyer for it (need to sort out all the stuff im gunna sell first) :scratch:




The door pins were weak to. As on acceleration from 60mph to 100 the doors tried to open.
If you haven't done them you may want to with an f7p conversion. :)

I bought a set of pelacement pins a while back i still have them they just on the list of things to do. Which at the minute is IMMENSE and i've ran out of cash for this month :cry:
Maka
07-08-2012, 09:58
The downpipe is a decent size
Gt tuning effort with lambda bung weld on.
Looks a bit brown from te photos but should sell.

The chrome cage just needs a bit of a clean by looks of it.
Purely cosmetic!

The side exit is a Ktec one. Unless you plan on keeping it for the f7p (get some ear plugs lol) my last hearing test results showed damage in my left ear!!! I associate that with the old setup in this car.
Maka
07-08-2012, 10:02
The piper will sell to. Pulled like a monster coupled with the T28.
Scoff stuck that bad boy in the car to :)
So get on to them and get it back if you can.

The head was ported however was skimmed might not be much cop now unless it's
Coupled with a compression plate.
Not sure if that's the done thing anymore or even a viable option.

The TDC sensor is adjustable. Might be worth trying to flog that.
Won't fetch much mind but comes in handy to anyone running high boost and high compression (nutcases)