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warpspeed
29-07-2012, 01:12
So Glen comments about ND and the thread gets locked as it's negative! Sound like bull**** to me....
A 'negative' thread isn't allowed, WTF is that all about????
I'm sure constructive criticism is more than welcome but when people like Steve & Dawn have gone to so much trouble and worked so hard to make the event happen, and then someone starts a thread titled like that just because he didn't win an award or agreed with the results it's kind of a kick in the gonads!
Adam 005
29-07-2012, 08:10
So Glen comments about ND and the thread gets locked as it's negative! Sound like bull**** to me....
A 'negative' thread isn't allowed, WTF is that all about????
Sounds like the ushall RTOC way.:):sad2:
In all fairness i have always found the show and shine to be a joke at the national day.
I think the awards at end of the day are intended as a bit of fun and not to be taken too seriously. I mean, it's only a little trophy you get - you don't get your mortgage paid off! :D
Come on lads lets not make this into something,its National day chatting,few beers and the Renaults thats it:smokin:
Nottswoody
29-07-2012, 09:03
Come on lads lets not make this into something,its National day chatting,few beers and the Renaults thats it:smokin:
It was my first and that Was the impression I got I personally thought it was great..
Track and marshals were great and well maintained
Toilets were clean and close and usable
Food was available if needed
And the price was very reasonable for the amount you got I thought it was spot on..
Great 5s great clios renaults evos kit cars what more could you ask for for £10
Just mop..
Adam 005
29-07-2012, 09:03
I think the awards at end of the day are intended as a bit of fun and not to be taken too seriously. I mean, it's only a little trophy you get - you don't get your mortgage paid off! :D
:D:D:D
Very true, but there are members within the club who like the show and shine side of car ownership and take it quite seriously and maybe they feel they did not get their moneys worth from the event.
As regaurds to the little trophy comment that shows the club had little or no interest in provding for all members at the national track day:)
It was my first as well couldn't bring the gordini but still had fun chatting to everyone hope to see you at frogof the pod..
:D:D:D
Very true, but there are members within the club who like the show and shine side of car ownership and take it quite seriously and maybe they feel they did not get their moneys worth from the event.
As regaurds to the little trophy comment that shows the club had little or no interest in provding for all members at the national track day:)
Well obviously! :D Perhaps next year things could be done differently with regard to the voting. I.e maybe have voting slips that members can use instead? But really to say members didn't get their money's worth is crazy - how much were the tickets? £10? We had sun, beer, BBQ and a load of Renault turbos, what more could you ask for? :D
Don't forget those trophys cost money and having booked the venue there probably wasn't a lot left.....
BluntyR5GTT
29-07-2012, 09:45
im hoping for next years event to have a few of the detailing firms along, so maybe have them guys to judge it? but i also like the idea of the voting slips alex
Penfold aka The Dealer
29-07-2012, 10:16
Simple answer to all these judges problem, dont have trophies, just show your car and have people appreciate them, don't need prizes etc.
ND should be about meeting members and having.... The French guys meet at a Renault dealership, go and have lunch in a village hall, small convoy groups go for a droive in the afternoon, meet back at the Renault dealership late afternoon and have a BBQ social chat etc & I have to say what a cracking day it is!!
Sounds like the ushall RTOC way.:):sad2:
In all fairness i have always found the show and shine to be a joke at the national day.
Thanks
I'm sure constructive criticism is more than welcome but when people like Steve & Dawn have gone to so much trouble and worked so hard to make the event happen, and then someone starts a thread titled like that just because he didn't win an award or agreed with the results it's kind of a kick in the gonads!
No it's not and a thread titled disappointed is so bad think about it
I reckon you'll find it is if you try :) I'm glad you agree with me about thread title..... ;)
I reckon you'll find it is if you try :) I'm glad you agree with me about thread title..... ;)
There was 4 car that could have won best paint and not one of them did and you miss understand me about the title I think it was right as I was disappointed In the judging not in the event
I've been trying to read bits of this on the way home on my phone, in between losing my signal every 30 seconds, back home now though (after 5 hours, grrr) :agree:
Of course we'll take the comments on board but the first thing I'd like to point out is that this is actually the first year that the committee HAVEN'T had anything to do with the judging so it's already "been taken away from the committee" as it was requested previously. Steve picked up the results about 10 minutes before the AGM and I personally found out at the same time as you guys :laugh: We haven't done this before and now see that much more organisation can go into this for next year.
I just don't understand the level this has got to, none of it is personal I'm sure and honestly after being able to grab a couple of mins in between "duties" I think that everyone who did win an award well deserved it - it seems very strange that some are so upset when everyone else who entered was fine with it.
However (and it's a big however), as it seems that some people do take the Show and Shine particularly seriously, I'll be taking it back to the committee that perhaps we should make a bigger deal of it next year, rather than being the "fun add-on" that it has been seen as over recent years. There is plenty of structure that we can add to this and pretty much totally overhaul it if it's required (times do change afterall). It's not a concourse show and we need to also remember that this is our great little club that we've made some absolutely amazing friends on and not one huge big competition against each other.
This was Steve and I's first attempt at running the weekend and wow it was stressful, I didn't realise how hard it would be. I do want to definitely take these comments on board but when you receive PM's, emails and comments this morning at the track about how personal it got against Jonny5 you need to realise the last thread was locked for a reason, I imagine whoever locked it also received the same complaints about it (from people I don't even think Jonny knows/is connected with also).
Perhaps next year we'll use the suggestions above, either give everyone a slip that they can vote on or ask one of the detailing companies that we invite along to do that side of things for us - it'll be completely impartial then, what does everyone think?
Everyone loved all the cars and was great to meet you Glenn, I just can't believe that I hadn't before throughout all these years! I just hope you don't feel that you need a special accolade to congratulate you on what you and everyone else already knows is awesome- even people outside the club know and love it from being in national publications - you've had waaaaaaay more admiration than anyone else I think pretty much ever and it's well deserved. :agree:
We really do appreciate the comments and I'd like to try and wind this down now before it gets really silly - I want to take comments like this, work on them and turn them into positives for 2013. James Surridge (along with many many others) even approached me himself a couple of times with some really great comments about the weekend, which is always amazing to hear after all the hard work we've put in, so thanks for that :)
There was 4 car that could have won best paint and not one of them did and you miss understand me about the title I think it was right as I was disappointed In the judging not in the event
I knew what you meant :D
warpspeed
29-07-2012, 21:06
Well said Dawn.
I wasn't taking sides when I started the thread, I just didn't think it was fair for Glenn's thread to be locked as there weren't any personal insults being flung about, just opinions and I don't see that as justification for locking the thread.
I just didn't think it was fair for Glenn's thread to be locked as there weren't any personal insults being flung about
So slating my car about my wheel choice and bodywork isnt personal? :scratch:
warpspeed
29-07-2012, 21:23
No, it's not personal.
Did he swear at you? call you names?
No, he commented on the quality of your car, he certainly didn't put it the right way, there's no doubt about that but he has every right to comment as do you.
Grow a thicker skin, take the comments on board and make your car better so there's no room for negative comments, simples! :cool:
take the comments on board and make your car better so there's no room for negative comments, simples! :cool:
Fair point mate :agree:
So slating my car about my wheel choice and bodywork isnt personal? :scratch:
More to the point i think its a case of venting his feelings but hasn,t reaslised what has been said in the rant also bear in mind SORRY is a very hard word to say;)
More to the point i think its a case of venting his feelings but hasn,t reaslised what has been said in the rant also bear in mind SORRY is a very hard word to say;)
Sorry has been said and accepted. Dont think there is anything more to be said.
No, it's not personal.
Did he swear at you? call you names?
No, he commented on the quality of your car, he certainly didn't put it the right way, there's no doubt about that but he has every right to comment as do you.
Grow a thicker skin, take the comments on board and make your car better so there's no room for negative comments, simples! :cool:
Absolute cobblers. The car's being the root of personal pride here is exactly what the whole upset was based on. Glen felt personally upset that his car was overlooked, that's how this started in the first place. So are you saying he should also grow a thicker skin?
Big Steve - Raider
29-07-2012, 22:21
I'm just lost for words on this whole show & shine negative feedback overshadowing what I was told by so many members was the best RTOC day for years?? :crap: :sad2: :coffee:
I'd just like to point out that it was ME who locked the thread last night because I recieved a complaint and decided to act on it by locking the thread after opinions had been vented. I didn't delete the thread from the boards, just locked it to stop it getting out of control.
I personally feel that D4WN and I did a good job if we've pleased >90% of the members and only annoyed the 4/5 who have posted the negative comments. I'm not going to even try to please ALL of the people ALL of the time, just not possible.
:coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee:
Absolute cobblers. The car's being the root of personal pride here is exactly what the whole upset was based on. Glen felt personally upset that his car was overlooked, that's how this started in the first place. So are you saying he should also grow a thicker skin?
Why don't you and glen judge the show and shine next year then??
More to the point i think its a case of venting his feelings but hasn,t reaslised what has been said in the rant also bear in mind SORRY is a very hard word to say;)
Really sorry but I do not drink and haven't done for over 6 years
Really sorry but I do not drink and haven't done for over 6 years
Whats drink got to do with it???
We have and many show and shines in the past ,and I do think this year was not the best done ,Mallory park ,Santa pod ,bruntingthope were all very good show and shine and well judged this year think it got side tracked with all the other happings ,like dawn said it will be looked into more next year still a great weekend.
Its all been sorted can we all just draw a line under it and look forwards rather than back.
newbstar*
29-07-2012, 23:22
Like saying, I like you but not your hair cut springs to mind! Lol :sad2:
warpspeed
29-07-2012, 23:40
Absolute cobblers. The car's being the root of personal pride here is exactly what the whole upset was based on. Glen felt personally upset that his car was overlooked, that's how this started in the first place. So are you saying he should also grow a thicker skin?
Don't twist things to start an argument please....
warpspeed
29-07-2012, 23:41
Its all been sorted can we all just draw a line under it and look forwards rather than back.
Exactly the right attitude, fair play to you mate :agree:
Phoenix Autosport
30-07-2012, 01:07
i spent the weekend doing DIY :( , i would have happily sat in a field no matter how many people were there and irrespective of any opinions or shiny cups.
nearest i got to ND was a 2 minute conversation with the postman about how his mate had one and put it in a ditch :sad2:
i spent the weekend doing DIY :( , i would have happily sat in a field no matter how many people were there and irrespective of any opinions or shiny cups.
nearest i got to ND was a 2 minute conversation with the postman about how his mate had one and put it in a ditch :sad2:
I had that conversation nearly on Friday on way up, core plug went on the inlet manifold so was parked up on the A1, ambulance turned up saying there has been a call that a car is in the ditch and then found more details and it was blue and G reg, but they did say a fiesta :crap: but he said close enough as not seen any other car in that area. He then went on to telling me he has a Raider parked up in his garage for a couple of years and needing to find time sorting it out
Don't twist things to start an argument please....
I believe you started this thread and you felt the need to tell Jonny what he should be doing. You started this particular argument and I have a valid point on what you said, there was no twisting. I don't mind if you don't want to respond to that.
Nick - I think you misunderstood. I was sticking up for Jonny because someone else came on here telling him how he should react to an insult. I don't give a monkeys about who won the comp or why.
Anyway, it appears to have been cleared up.
Adey aka Ewok
01-08-2012, 15:06
:ashamed:
James_Surridge G1 5 GTT
02-08-2012, 17:08
Has it? I still await my reply how my car scored against the rest of the competitors.
I am sure in the past it was top 3 on all of the classes which was judged so more cars was mentioned
car.crash
02-08-2012, 17:34
Has it? I still await my reply how my car scored against the rest of the competitors.
You didn't win a trophy in a friendly show and shine and you feel someone needs to explain why :confused:
Go enter a proper show and shine if you feel your car is concourse and show worthy. It was just a friendly day out with some light hearted trophys at the end.
James_Surridge G1 5 GTT
02-08-2012, 20:42
I am sure in the past it was top 3 on all of the classes which was judged so more cars was mentioned
Very true...1st, 2nd and 3rd in Show
James_Surridge G1 5 GTT
02-08-2012, 20:45
You didn't win a trophy in a friendly show and shine and you feel someone needs to explain why :confused:
Go enter a proper show and shine if you feel your car is concourse and show worthy. It was just a friendly day out with some light hearted trophys at the end.
Saying that probably justifies not having a show and shine at all really......
This is the thread that really needs to be locked, it makes me cringe every time I see the title appear at the top of the pile both for the meaning of the title, what else is being able to contribute here and also because of some of the pettyness, plain embarrassing.
Saying that probably justifies not having a show and shine at all really......
Not really, it's very nice to have a car appreciated by others but really is it all this important. There are always going to be nicer cars out there and if you can't lose with good grace it's probably best not to enter.
This is the thread that really needs to be locked, it makes me cringe every time I see the title appear at the top of the pile both for the meaning of the title, what else is being able to contribute here and also because of some of the pettyness, plain embarrassing.
Not really, it's very nice to have a car appreciated by others but really is it all this important. There are always going to be nicer cars out there and if you can't lose with good grace it's probably best not to enter.
I couldnt agree more its pathetic i think the car that won is a really great car my opinion and obviously the opinion of the judges. need it be anymore in depth than that it was abit of fun a chance for people to show what they have been doing imagine you won and then a few people started a thread saying they thought your car didnt deserve to win i think it really is sad what an advert for the club members bitching about a club organised day that alot of people worked really hard at.
:agree:
As I mentioned previously, it was just a bit of fun on a club day, and leaves a pretty bad taste to see the farcical negative vibes being posted, which don't really have any substance to them anyway.
Anyway, it's been done to death, and no doubt things will now change in the running of next year's S&S competition...if there is one :rolleyes:
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