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I always said those raceland manifolds are crap:D
Comp test it then go from there mate:agree: check head yourself with straight edge
TNT Tricky Nicky
24-02-2013, 12:13
Wow I feel sorry for you chap. Hope it all goes smoothly for you. Although the way you explained the story did make me chuckle... :laugh:
A lot of Andys stories you really shouldn't laugh at as they're all based on a lot of bad luck but it's just the way he tells them, you can't help but have a chuckle.
Gutted things didn't go as they should but on the plus side at least you didn't pay k-tec tax on the manifold for it to fail.
You'll get there in the end Andy :cool:
TNT ANDY
24-02-2013, 19:23
I always said those raceland manifolds are crap:D
Comp test it then go from there mate:agree: check head yourself with straight edge
Cheers Tricky
Yeh, just googled it.
TNT ANDY
25-02-2013, 22:17
OK,
Done a few things tonight,
Checked compression to all 4. All good at 160 psi each. No signs of breaching on the gasket in any direction, it looked perfect tbh. There was a lot of soot from the exhaust manifold but is very difficult to see exactly where it was blowing from. There looks like a hairline crack on number 1 branch an I expect that opens up quite nicely when hot.
Number 1 was the one that was not firing on the way home as the plug is blackened.
Checked the head for flatness with a 0.004in feeler and a torch and it looks bang on. I'll do it with a 0.002 tomorrow just to be sure. It all looks rosey in there.
I will take this opportunity to put some new studs and nut's / washers on the exhaust/inletmanifold and also the turbo. Is there anything special needed for these nuts and studs?
Nothing special on the studs just buy manifold studs m6? Also get yourself some nice stainless washers and some binx nuts :)
TNT ANDY
26-02-2013, 10:23
Nothing special on the studs just buy manifold studs m6? Also get yourself some nice stainless washers and some binx nuts :)
Cheers Chris - I'll get on it tonight.
M8 btw;)
TNT ANDY
27-02-2013, 22:56
OK - A bit more
Binks nuts ordered and also turbo gaskets both sides as it was blowing it's tits off. Also worth mentioning, my HT leads look as though they have seen better days and may have been the reason or the '3 pistons only' running issue I had. Fingers crossed, I should be fully up and running by Friday night / Saturday.
Need a fingers crossed smiley here.
Good to see your getting stuck in fella and not loosing hope
TNT Tricky Nicky
27-02-2013, 23:03
Need a fingers crossed smiley here.
:sos:
:goodJob: :coffee:
OK - A bit more
Binks nuts ordered and also turbo gaskets both sides as it was blowing it's tits off. Also worth mentioning, my HT leads look as though they have seen better days and may have been the reason or the '3 pistons only' running issue I had. Fingers crossed, I should be fully up and running by Friday night / Saturday.
Need a fingers crossed smiley here.
Funny you should say that Andy while pottering about on my five yesterday I found my random misfire was also down to my HT leads. Where I'd extented the top radiator hose the metal tube had been rubbing away at the lead. was quite a shocking experience. :wasntme:
Happy days you got to the bottom of your misfiring issue. :agree:
Dave Reed
28-02-2013, 09:21
Bloody hell mate you don't seem to have much luck with this!
I had a raceland and it only ever cracked where I drilled in for the extremal gate,
But once I migged the **** it never cracked again ;) and people always say don't wrap tube fanimoulds...
TNT ANDY
28-02-2013, 19:43
Re-assembling now and was unsure about which way around to put the exhaust gasket on and it seems like I have been installing them the wrong way round for many years :laugh:
Which way round do you all install them???
Metal side to head, as per the factory ;)
TNT ANDY
28-02-2013, 20:07
Metal side to head, as per the factory ;)
Are you sure - there's a fair bit out there that says otherwise.
Believe who you want mate :) but that's how they came fitted from the factory.
TNT ANDY
28-02-2013, 21:37
Believe who you want mate :) but that's how they came fitted from the factory.
:cool::agree:
I did mine metal to head and it doesn't blow andyyyyyyyyy
TNT ANDY
28-02-2013, 22:38
:laugh: The inconsistency is constant.
The theory for the way round you have done it is this.
With the metal facing the manifold, it is the manifold which will expand and contract more than the head due to it being much hotter and because of it's construction. The metal aids movement on the manifold side.
Googling this reveals that there are 3 sets of believers
1 - metal to head
2 - metal to manifold
3 - it doesn't matter
oh and 4 - don't use a gasket (normally yank tank oe enthusiasts)
It would seem that technically it should be 1, but number 2 makes more sense but actually 3 is the reality. Number 4 is a given that all yanks are just plain silly.
Tony Walker
28-02-2013, 22:46
:laugh: Number 4 is a given that all yanks are just plain silly.
Or... incredibly good engineers????? lol:wasntme:
TNT ANDY
28-02-2013, 22:49
Actually - I've got to give you that:agree:
:sad:
Thermal barrier shpiel aside, the head face is smooth, the exhaust manifold casting is rough - Which side of the gasket will 'seal' better against the manifold?
Nad-5GTT
01-03-2013, 09:21
:sad:
Thermal barrier shpiel aside, the head face is smooth, the exhaust manifold casting is rough - Which side of the gasket will 'seal' better against the manifold?
:agree: makes sense
I always do. 17 years of being ignored though...
:D ;)
Tony Walker
01-03-2013, 20:21
I always do. 17 years of being ignored though...
:D ;)
:laugh:
Woznaldo
01-03-2013, 20:48
I look at it from the thermal expansion point of view. The head will expand and contract reasonably uniformly, so is better having the metal 'flat' side against it. The Inlet and Exhaust Manifolds obviously expand at vastly different rates, so the 'soft' fibre side allows for the differing rates of expansion.
You can have some metal to metal seals that don't need a gasket, but generally they are finished to an extremely tight tolerance to achieve this, or their intended use doesn't warrant an absolute seal. Even then, if corrosion creeps in, there may be a need to use a gasket at some point if the mating faces can't be refinished.
Metal to the head, I would have thought someone would have mentioned it by now :D
TNT ANDY
02-03-2013, 00:01
Metal to the head, I would have thought someone would have mentioned it by now :D
Mart did:agree: And it's really strange, there are soo many people saying the other way round, including a well respected ex Renault Tech from on here. I'm just confused........... more confused than usual now :confused:
TNT Tricky Nicky
02-03-2013, 11:14
I've fitted them metal to head as it's the logical option, I think mart knows which way they go but I've not seen him post anything for 17 years now :laugh:
If you've got a spare lob two on metal side out problem solved :p
TNT ANDY
02-03-2013, 11:40
I've fitted them metal to head as it's the logical option, I think mart knows which way they go but I've not seen him post anything for 17 years now :laugh:
If you've got a spare lob two on metal side out problem solved :p
LOL - I've fitted them metal to head for many years now as per advice many years ago without problems, and I know some will be thinking why ask then. I don't know, I've just goto know and when i started looking, there was so much info saying the other way round it was hard to ignore. TBH, I don't think anybody apart from the guys who design the manifolds know for sure. So I'm gonna toss a coin to decide :laugh:
Aii, don't let theory or facts get in the way of flipping that coin, you geeza.
;)
I think mart knows which way they go but I've not seen him post anything for 17 years now :laugh:
:laugh: :cry:
Mart did:agree: And it's really strange, there are soo many people saying the other way round, including a well respected ex Renault Tech from on here. I'm just confused........... more confused than usual now :confused:
I said that in ref to mart's invisibleness :)
andybond
02-03-2013, 12:46
I said that in ref to mart's invisibleness :)
Who is Mart ?
TNT ANDY
02-03-2013, 12:51
I said that in ref to mart's invisibleness :)
:laugh:
Didn't get that :laugh::laugh::laugh:
TNT ANDY
10-03-2013, 10:12
All back together again now, going out this morning at some point but seems to to be running fine now. Hopefully be able to get a fair amount of time out of her before going tits up again.
TNT ANDY
10-03-2013, 13:08
Went cracking - just some adjustments to the downpipe due to interference on the subframe and all should be good.
Only ran 12psi, to get going, but went very nicely - glad to be back.
Mr Raider
10-03-2013, 22:10
Went cracking - just some adjustments to the downpipe due to interference on the subframe and all should be good.
Only ran 12psi, to get going, but went very nicely - glad to be back.
Glad its all back together and going well buddy, by the way didnt know you were also in the 12 psi club :cooter:
TNT ANDY
11-03-2013, 06:32
Glad its all back together and going well buddy, by the way didnt know you were also in the 12 psi club :cooter:
Cheers fella - just need to have another look at the down pipe, it's knocking on the subframe something cronic:rolleyes: I'll have it adjusted and back on tonight all being well.
12psi Sucks:laugh:
Fluffy lives :D about time ;)
Check the flange on the down pipe isn't catching on the inner cv of the drive shaft, mine did that, made one hell of a racket
Mr Raider
11-03-2013, 10:12
Cheers fella - just need to have another look at the down pipe, it's knocking on the subframe something cronic:rolleyes: I'll have it adjusted and back on tonight all being well.
12psi Sucks:laugh:
Ahh i see, ironic thats also a clio 172 common trait! Yeah, 12 psi does suck so thats why im running 15 :wasntme: Still not enough!
Good to hear fluffys nearly there :)
markey b
11-03-2013, 14:33
Is 12psi for running in? Hope ur gonna put some bad boy boost thru it :-)
Mr Raider
11-03-2013, 22:04
Is 12psi for running in? Hope ur gonna put some bad boy boost thru it :-)
Markey B run's at least 3 times that boost and abit more for luck! lol :laugh:
TNT ANDY
11-03-2013, 22:28
Is 12psi for running in? Hope ur gonna put some bad boy boost thru it :-)
LOL - yeh we've been upto 21 psi in total, I'll keep it @ 18 for the time being.
TNT ANDY
12-04-2013, 06:40
Not updated for a while, so here we go - I've been happily driving around for about 600 miles now with only 1 minor problem after about an hour the car just cuts out and comes back on immediately. The revs hit the deck and as soon as the needle hits the pin it's back on. It's been doing this for a while but I thought I might have sorted this out with the recent rebuild / relocation of the CAS etc. I've done extensive testing on the car and can't find any sensor / wiring faults ATM, Suppression has been added to the coil feed and I have a few more things to try tonight.
Dwell angle to be reduced to further rule out electrical interference and then thanks to JP trying his ECU to see if it is my ecu for some reason. Hope to get closer to the truth tonight.
DaveL485
12-04-2013, 09:54
Ref the row above, it's metal to the manifold.
The R21 Turbo prevents us having the same quandry with a small offset on the exhaust studs so the gasket only goes on one way around :)
TNT ANDY
12-04-2013, 12:16
Ref the row above, it's metal to the manifold.
The R21 Turbo prevents us having the same quandry with a small offset on the exhaust studs so the gasket only goes on one way around :)
Cheers Dave, I did check with Renault technical before installing and got the same answer from them.
So there it is.
May say, I've done a few miles on it like this, no issues with that the rubbish turbo gaskets.
TNT ANDY
13-04-2013, 09:33
Mot got - with a 'replace that split CV boot' and an advisory of the small oil leak I seem to have, so no biggies there.
However my ECU is toast - off to Scoff for a shake down.
TNT ANDY
18-04-2013, 22:05
Fluffy is still in the garage.
got meself one of those stretch CV boots to go on the near side outer CV, nice bit of kit and seem to be proper HD. I'll be getting that on some time next week.
Adaptronic and Scoff are being uber amazing in trying to help solve my ECU cutting out problem and they think they might have it. I cannot stress enough at this point why it was that I chose adaptronic and Scoff. It is the back-up you get once things get a bit fuzzy. I know that I wouldn't get the kind of help I'm getting from most ECU manufacturers, and by that I mean Emails, posts and texts at all times guiding you through the process until your there. Or the we'll send you this and that to help you diagnose it from the other side of the world.
We all know what Scoff is about and that's why we all trust / use him (we sometimes even pay him, but not often) well you get the same sort of stuff from the Aussies at adaptronic, they deal with a lot of high end machinery and teams in race series' etc, but they still look after yours truly with my insignificant problems.
So fingers crossed I'll be back on the road within the next few weeks for the season.
I'm not getting the power I expected, but I think I'm coming round to the idea of a bigger blower, I just don't think mine has got what it takes.
"I'm not getting the power I expected, but I think I'm coming round to the idea of a bigger blower, I just don't think mine has got what it takes."
finally the penny drops:wasntme:, you have been told soooo many times :laugh:
you will also get much better air temps, all though you will have to learn to live with a bit more lag;):cool:
TNT ANDY
19-04-2013, 06:14
"I'm not getting the power I expected, but I think I'm coming round to the idea of a bigger blower, I just don't think mine has got what it takes."
finally the penny drops:wasntme:, you have been told soooo many times :laugh:
you will also get much better air temps, all though you will have to learn to live with a bit more lag;):cool:
I thought that lag may, be an issue, but after Ross put the bigger .63/.64 housing on the back of his, he reported a distinct lack of lag when used on mappable ignition, which he's never done before. We need a session to decide which route is best to go down. I could possibly spend as much developing mine as I could buying a new unit.
Suggestions anyone?
Borg Warner EFR 6258 well that would be my next choice of turbo. Far more advanced than any garrett unit on sale at the moment. Only trouble is they can be hard to source from what I've read and price tag of 1k+ :cry: maybe next year for me.
http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/shop/efr6258-genuine-borg-warner-efr-turbo-064-ar-225400-bhp-p-4850.html
SCHWARTZ
19-04-2013, 07:46
I wouldn't have thought even as big as a .86 would spool late. I get full boost by 4k with a .86 rear(can't really go into detail about wheel sizes and trim etc... As I don't know) on a b18ft so with the extra capacity and better flowing head you should get full boost a fair bit earlier.
be one of these
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=GRT-TBO-188&Category_Code=GTX
this one for faster response :D
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=GRT-TBO-025&Category_Code=GRT+ billet compressor wheel
or this one for out right power, without toooo much lag:p
you've got the cams / head / exhaust system for it;)
perfect :cool:
Borg Warner EFR 6258 well that would be my next choice of turbo. Far more advanced than any garrett unit on sale at the moment. Only trouble is they can be hard to source from what I've read and price tag of 1k+ :cry: maybe next year for me.
http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/shop/efr6258-genuine-borg-warner-efr-turbo-064-ar-225400-bhp-p-4850.html
although the borgwarners do look really good, and have many more gret features as logg has mentioned:cooter:
TNT ANDY
21-04-2013, 14:32
Borg Warner EFR 6258 well that would be my next choice of turbo. Far more advanced than any garrett unit on sale at the moment. Only trouble is they can be hard to source from what I've read and price tag of 1k+ :cry: maybe next year for me.
http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/shop/efr6258-genuine-borg-warner-efr-turbo-064-ar-225400-bhp-p-4850.html
Looks like the kiddy to me:agree: , but 1K - my car's not worth 1K :laugh:
TNT ANDY
21-04-2013, 14:34
be one of these
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=GRT-TBO-188&Category_Code=GTX
this one for faster response :D
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=GRT-TBO-025&Category_Code=GRT+ billet compressor wheel
or this one for out right power, without toooo much lag:p
you've got the cams / head / exhaust system for it;)
perfect :cool:
Are you mad, I have a 1.4C1J .86 AR, I think you've lost it. That said, I think you know more about this than I do.
JP Racing
21-04-2013, 15:51
It really depends on what power you want and the engine can handle and what you want the car to do :) there is no point in having a turbo that is massive and laggy but gives you massive power if you want a fast street car or the other way round you want a drag car and run a tiny turbo and it runs out of steam by 5000rpm. Txt me what kind of drive you are after and power and I will run through some bits and I can look at some compressor maps and come up with a few turbos at different budgets for you ;)
TNT ANDY
21-04-2013, 18:05
It really depends on what power you want and the engine can handle and what you want the car to do :) there is no point in having a turbo that is massive and laggy but gives you massive power if you want a fast street car or the other way round you want a drag car and run a tiny turbo and it runs out of steam by 5000rpm. Txt me what kind of drive you are after and power and I will run through some bits and I can look at some compressor maps and come up with a few turbos at different budgets for you ;)
Can we do it on here JP, and give some idea of how best to look at this so it's usefull to others and also a permanent reference for myself? Possibly do a write up on turbo sizing for Sparkies LOL under the Tech section. I'll kick it off if you like?
Are you mad, I have a 1.4C1J .86 AR, I think you've lost it. That said, I think you know more about this than I do.
look again andy.......the first turbo is only running a 53.86 turbine wheel with a 76 trim , thats about the same size your running now :sad2: but this has a bigger trim ,so should flow a lot better,aided by a 11 billet blade compressor wheel for maxium airflow, your piss poor turbine is about the same size, but with a much smaller trim , ie your exhaust gases are backing up /reversion/choking your engine, as it cant get rid of the gases quick enough top end, hence your not getting the magic 230 bhp you keep asking /trying to get:sad2::sad2:
you have to purchase the ar turbine housing yourself(exhaust side) prob a .63 in your case.
the second turbo is running a 56mm turbine wheel , hardly world shattering sizes here....:( again you can choose your own ar turbine housing, this maybe a bit bigger laggier than your use to, but you did say rosses was about this size, so please dont **** yourself, if you want bigger whp then you need to pump more air, the turbo is the pump;) the bigger the turbo the more you flow ,the more you get at expense of lag, but as i said both of the above are well within your limits, the turbo logg mentioned had a 58mm turbine, which is bigger than both of the above i mentioned:cartman: you think my turbo's big ... it will prob push around 450 maybe absolute max 500bhp on my engine, without pushing stupid boost and stupidly high air intake temps, to put things into prospective for you:coffee:
also a certain very high powered c1j , was running the same turbo as mine, probabley with a smaller ar. turbine housing, and lot of other mods and managed 405bhp before hitting the wall so to speak, so in relation, the turbo's ive mentioned are well within your scope, stop ****ing around with everything else on your engine, and change the one thing that has been repeated to you, over and over ,for the past 12 months;):cool::D
Dave Reed
21-04-2013, 18:29
No need for the .63/64 rear housing.. Mine only ran a .49 rear and that made good power. ;)
dave, what turbo did you run , and what power did you get?:)
TNT ANDY
21-04-2013, 19:02
look again andy.......the first turbo is only running a 53.86 turbine wheel with a 76 trim , thats about the same size your running now :sad2: but this has a bigger trim ,so should flow a lot better,aided by a 11 billet blade compressor wheel for maxium airflow, your piss poor turbine is about the same size, but with a much smaller trim , ie your exhaust gases are backing up /reversion/choking your engine, as it cant get rid of the gases quick enough top end, hence your not getting the magic 230 bhp you keep asking /trying to get:sad2::sad2:
you have to purchase the ar turbine housing yourself(exhaust side) prob a .63 in your case.
the second turbo is running a 56mm turbine wheel , hardly world shattering sizes here....:( again you can choose your own ar turbine housing, this maybe a bit bigger laggier than your use to, but you did say rosses was about this size, so please dont **** yourself, if you want bigger whp then you need to pump more air, the turbo is the pump;) the bigger the turbo the more you flow ,the more you get at expense of lag, but as i said both of the above are well within your limits, the turbo logg mentioned had a 58mm turbine, which is bigger than both of the above i mentioned:cartman: you think my turbo's big ... it will prob push around 450 maybe absolute max 500bhp on my engine, without pushing stupid boost and stupidly high air intake temps, to put things into prospective for you:coffee:
also a certain very high powered c1j , was running the same turbo as mine, probabley with a smaller ar. turbine housing, and lot of other mods and managed 405bhp before hitting the wall so to speak, so in relation, the turbo's ive mentioned are well within your scope, stop ****ing around with everything else on your engine, and change the one thing that has been repeated to you, over and over ,for the past 12 months;):cool::D
Cheers for that Andy - I thought that the trim was the A/R when I read it LOL. what you're saying makes sense, but if I'm gonna spunk £££ I wasnt to do this by calculation rather than, this should do this and this should do that. I need to get in Ross's also to get some idea of the Laggy nature.
I am pretty sure that what you're saying is right now, and it's just a case of getting the right info together now and I should be upto the 230 mark which really is as far as I would like to go on stock internals. I might be pushing it at that.
TNT ANDY
21-04-2013, 19:02
No need for the .63/64 rear housing.. Mine only ran a .49 rear and that made good power. ;)
What power where you getting without Nos D? And what trim etc you got on there?
TNT ANDY
21-04-2013, 19:03
Oh bollox - just **** me self.:cry:
Cheers for that Andy - I thought that the trim was the A/R when I read it LOL. what you're saying makes sense, but if I'm gonna spunk £££ I wasnt to do this by calculation rather than, this should do this and this should do that. I need to get in Ross's also to get some idea of the Laggy nature.
I am pretty sure that what you're saying is right now, and it's just a case of getting the right info together now and I should be upto the 230 mark which really is as far as I would like to go on stock internals. I might be pushing it at that.
punching figures ito a calculator and plotting on a compressor map etc will only give you rough figures and will not give you the exact anwsers your looking for only a "rough ball park figure" if your happy with the results ross has had with his , then get the turbine wheel dimesions/compressor wheel dimensions/ air ratio of his housings, and go from there :)
any of those two turbos will give you great results, more so than what ross will get out of the unit he is running at present, no slating intended, just facts, the gtx roller unit is going to outflow, out preform an, old skool journal unit, in everyway;)
as dave mentioned , maybe drop the turbine down to a .49 , to help keep lag to a minimum.
as regards to engine, you've got 285 cam and springs/12.9 headbolts, a decent front mount, and free flowing exhaust.... your fine , you need nothing more apart from a decent blower and some boost, and you will get the numbers and more :cool:
forgot to add full stand alone ecu, and fuel injection, fully ported head............yours should be better than most other c1j engines with that little lot in place :laugh::laugh::cool:
and unless your reving to 7500rpm plus , your valve train will be fine also;)
Dave Reed
21-04-2013, 19:34
dave, what turbo did you run , and what power did you get?:)
Aka blyton rollers last year and it made 279 at 1.5/6 bar of boost..(perhaps they were out???) should find out soon when Jesus gets it up and running on scoffs rollers..
Unfortunately I don't know the wheel sizes, but the front housing was a/r 80 and rear .49..
Was a t28 also with a bb core..
thanks dave:)
i wonder if it was the gt28rs;)
Dave Reed
21-04-2013, 19:38
I believe it was the same turbo that Stuart Clarke used to run.. Well that's what my friend at turbo dynamics said :D
Dave Reed
21-04-2013, 19:45
Hopefully this link works
http://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=397322476998273&set=a.397321846998336.91294.114707841926406&type=3&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtoc.org%2Fboards%2Fshowth read.php&_rdr
sorry dont do face book, so cant relly make out the detail, but great results :)
im sure your new f7 engine will out preform those results;)
andy will be a drooling mess in the corner, once he gets his pies on those graphs:laugh:
Dave Reed
21-04-2013, 19:56
sorry dont do face book, so cant relly make out the detail, but great results :)
im sure your new f7 engine will out preform those results;)
andy will be a drooling mess in the corner, once he gets his pies on those graphs:laugh:
Haha bless him :D
TNT ANDY
21-04-2013, 19:58
I'm a drooling mess:cartman:
Wowzzers - not much else I can say really is there.
in fairness andy , i ****ed up the first time and fitted way to smaller unit for my goals aspirations to my swbc, and paid the price litrally:cry:
oli was going to do the same, but after pestering him, and showing him my orginal poor results, it clicked , and he has the makings of powerful f7 also:cool:
Dave Reed
21-04-2013, 20:13
I'm a drooling mess:cartman:
Wowzzers - not much else I can say really is there.
Nope... Just stop being a tight arse northerner n get ya wallet out! :laugh:
dave , you now know what TNT ANDY stands for....
tight northern tuning......:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
JP Racing
21-04-2013, 21:30
Well I was working out what size you need next and I personally think this on your car would make good numbers :laugh:
http://www.precisionturbo.net/Street-and-Race/ss/2-000--HP/details/Street-and-Race-Turbocharger---PT118-CEA®/329
Be good for around 2000bhp for track days and then you could turn the boost up to make almost 3000bhp for showing off :laugh:
JP Racing
22-04-2013, 11:24
Ok on a more serious note what are your power goals and do you want to future proof it in case you want more :) also do you want to run lower boost levels ie use a bigger turbo and have some lag or do you want to run a higher boost level and still have it very responsive with as small a unit you can get away with :) also what spec turbo do you currently have and I would like compressor size and turbine size I can work all the trims out with that info and it gives us a good base to work from :) plus also we know what turbos work on the c1j we can compare them to what you have :)
TNT ANDY
22-04-2013, 12:13
Ok on a more serious note what are your power goals and do you want to future proof it in case you want more :) also do you want to run lower boost levels ie use a bigger turbo and have some lag or do you want to run a higher boost level and still have it very responsive with as small a unit you can get away with :) also what spec turbo do you currently have and I would like compressor size and turbine size I can work all the trims out with that info and it gives us a good base to work from :) plus also we know what turbos work on the c1j we can compare them to what you have :)
Jp continue this here
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=28903
TNT ANDY
01-05-2013, 06:34
Arrrrgghhhhhh
I have everything to get Fluffy back on the road good n proper, about 3 hours work, but I am being dogged by 'other stuff'. I've been trying to squeeze time on it since Thursday last week but don't get the opportunity. I thought I might get on it tonight, but the Mrs Cooper has just spat a wheel bearing FFS, got a carpet being fitted Saturday and I need to finish decorating that room! Just can't catch a break.
Is this just me, or does it seem like the world is against you sometimes.:confused:
TNT Tricky Nicky
01-05-2013, 10:33
Is this just me, or does it seem like the world is against you sometimes.:confused:
It's not just you, saved up a little bit of money and sold some bits and bobs so I could do some work on mine, fence blew down, bye bye money :cry:
Saw a bank advert on tv, you may have seen it, the mustang fund, I laughed as it's so true
TNT ANDY
06-05-2013, 19:42
Well there we have it, back on the road again now with no issues. Big thanks to scoff and the lads @ Adaptronic, best customer service I've ever had from them both. The only trouble now, is that I spent most of yesterday out in a 300bhp VX220, and now my 5 feels slow.:sad2:
Mr Raider
06-05-2013, 22:02
Bigger turbo, 35 psi and nitrous... ;) lol
markey b
07-05-2013, 01:13
Arrrrgghhhhhh
I have everything to get Fluffy back on the road good n proper, about 3 hours work, but I am being dogged by 'other stuff'. I've been trying to squeeze time on it since Thursday last week but don't get the opportunity. I thought I might get on it tonight, but the Mrs Cooper has just spat a wheel bearing FFS, got a carpet being fitted Saturday and I need to finish decorating that room! Just can't catch a break.
Is this just me, or does it seem like the world is against you sometimes.:confused:
At least mini wheel bearings are easy fella, £30 and a 20min job to replace the whole lot unbolts from the hub :-)
TNT ANDY
07-05-2013, 06:32
Bigger turbo, 35 psi and nitrous... ;) lol
LOL - definitely bigger turbo on the cards (later this year) 35psi:eek:, what do you think my name is? Jesus? LOL, and nitrous is for cheats.
TNT ANDY
07-05-2013, 06:36
At least mini wheel bearings are easy fella, £30 and a 20min job to replace the whole lot unbolts from the hub :-)
Yeh , looks easy don't it. But when you realise that 4 out of 4 bolts are not accessible and are really badly corroded due to 93,000 miles exposed to the worst, then you find out the bolts are imperial sized (half inch):confused::confused::confused: just after you've rounded them off because you have used metric tools, yeh a piece of piss :laugh:
That said, it's done now.
markey b
09-05-2013, 00:48
Ah bad times, I've done a couple but must have got lucky by the sounds of it, used a 13mm without even thinking it could have been imperial, a wobble extension helped too as they were nicely tucked behind everything
At least u got it done tho. Back onto fluffy now?
TNT ANDY
09-05-2013, 06:38
Ah bad times, I've done a couple but must have got lucky by the sounds of it, used a 13mm without even thinking it could have been imperial, a wobble extension helped too as they were nicely tucked behind everything
At least u got it done tho. Back onto fluffy now?
yup - new ecu in and running well, but interestingly enough, I've been looking at a comparable map on my turbo and it looks like I'm well of the scale when it comes to running above 16 psi. assuming I've done my calculations right. I can only run 16psi, anything above that and I'm just pushing hot air in.
I saw JP last week and we're going to have a look at some options, the 2552 spec which has been mentioned before seems to fit the bill perfectly. I'll write up about looking at maps etc on my 'Turbo spec' topic.
I got 210bhp @ 24psi from this blower, no wonder Scoff couldn't get any more out of it. It looks like the turbo I had custom made for 200bhp did what I asked but outside it's natural limits and inefficiently also.
Tony Walker
09-05-2013, 17:23
Yeh , looks easy don't it. But when you realise that 4 out of 4 bolts are not accessible and are really badly corroded due to 93,000 miles exposed to the worst, then you find out the bolts are imperial sized (half inch):confused::confused::confused: just after you've rounded them off because you have used metric tools, yeh a piece of piss :laugh:
That said, it's done now.
New style mini? Bottom ball join comes undone really easy pop shaft out gun bolts clean hub pop the new one on, easiest wheel bearing ever. Unless you try and do it with the shaft in situ...... Then it's a hitch :(
Big Supes
09-05-2013, 19:02
Everytime I see the title of this thread, I have a little giggle. . . .
. . . "Fluffy". :laugh:
TNT ANDY
09-05-2013, 19:29
New style mini? Bottom ball join comes undone really easy pop shaft out gun bolts clean hub pop the new one on, easiest wheel bearing ever. Unless you try and do it with the shaft in situ...... Then it's a hitch :(
LOL - Thats exacly what I did:agree:
TNT ANDY
12-05-2013, 14:01
After looking at maps etc (I know I need to get back to this in the other thread) I have identified that @ 21 psi, I'm pushing the turbo I have way beyond it's limit. Looking at a similar map from a similar turbo, the max I can really push on this turbo is about 16 psi.
So that's what I've been doing this morning. I set it up for 16 psi and when for a blat.
:) is an understatement - it when very well, not as brutal as 21 psi, but cleaner, more solid and my charge cooler temps are in check now as I'm not simply shoving supper heated air into my engine. So 16 psi, is max for this set-up. I will get another turbo sorted for Fluff, but not this season as I'm too close to events now to be faffing around with her and tbh, I'm happy as she is. Later on this year and after a bit of experiment and hopefully if one or 2 of the members with bigger spec turbo's will take me out on national day and a good bit of chin wagging here and there, I should be able to get the right turbo for my needs.
I'll get some video up later.
Tony Walker
12-05-2013, 19:53
:agree: sounds good.
TNT ANDY
12-05-2013, 20:40
:agree: sounds good.
it really was, I'm so suprised at how good 16psi felt.
still need a bigger turbo though :laugh:
TNT ANDY
13-05-2013, 09:29
Not the most inspiring of vids as it was done on phone.
http://db.tt/Ofidqeka
Hope that works.
you running a dv on that andy?
check what psi its breaking at, as you might find its loosing you precious boost, some if not all come with low rating psi springs in them, and crack way to early when on it, above 8 psi normaly ;)
yes i know youve got vac line against it 99% of the time but its just a thought , yours maybe fine , i static checked all of mine (6 in total, including the tial 50mm) and all apart from the 2x rubber diaphram forge items and the fse recirc leaked past 14psi, even with springs correctly rated:(, i was well pissed of, as the tial was money too:cry:
TNT ANDY
13-05-2013, 18:10
you running a dv on that andy?
check what psi its breaking at, as you might find its loosing you precious boost, some if not all come with low rating psi springs in them, and crack way to early when on it, above 8 psi normaly ;)
yes i know youve got vac line against it 99% of the time but its just a thought , yours maybe fine , i static checked all of mine (6 in total, including the tial 50mm) and all apart from the 2x rubber diaphram forge items and the fse recirc leaked past 14psi, even with springs correctly rated:(, i was well pissed of, as the tial was money too:cry:
i have a vac pump, and I have a compressor - Shouldn't be to difficult. Thanks Handy
TNT ANDY
21-05-2013, 22:04
i have a vac pump, and I have a compressor - Shouldn't be to difficult. Thanks Handy
No leeks :agree:
TNT ANDY
21-05-2013, 22:07
And in a stupidly timed event, I've decided to chop the bottom half of my primary silencer off to try to get me the ground clearance I would like. I'm fed up with hitting speed bumps:mad:This is going to give me about 25mm height.
So I've got the middle bit folded in, but it's now too late to cut through the end flanges. Another day perhaps.
Also I've ordered some Yellow stuff pads to see how I get on with those.
BTW moderator - can you move this to projects section please, as it's never going to end.
:smokin:
Romil Davda
21-05-2013, 23:22
BTW moderator - can you move this to projects section please, as it's never going to end.
:pimp:
Done
Also I've ordered some Yellow stuff pads to see how I get on with those
:scared:
Note to self: Make sure Andy isn't following me at any point next weekend...
:D
EBC pads Andy? :scratch: really?
I'll second that too I'll let you lead mate didn't think of trying DS2500?
TNT ANDY
22-05-2013, 06:14
:scared:
Note to self: Make sure Andy isn't following me at any point next weekend...
:D
:laugh: Can't possibly be worse than the ones I have on now:laugh: But the new compound (introduced in 2011) is apparently very good. working up to 800 deg C and very sharp from cold. If they're ****e I'll report so and if I do stuff Fluff into something, it'll be the pads LOL.
TNT ANDY
22-05-2013, 06:16
Done
:agree:
I didn't know you did that stuff. I mean apart from making money appear from nowhere:laugh: Donuts anyone. I think Jesus is a fake you're the real deal.
Ebc dog turd pads. Mintex 1155 padd are superb
I took a set of greenstuff pads out of benj's gtt at the weekend. They were about half way down, pulled the pad out of the carrier and the material came leaving the metal backing bit on the caliper. Absolute dog****e in my opinion.
Get some ferodo ds2500 or mintex 1144, far better ;)
But the new compound (introduced in 2011) is apparently very good. working up to 800 deg C and very sharp from cold
:coffee: Let me know how those brownstuffs pan out for you.
;)
DaveL485
22-05-2013, 14:47
Ebc dog turd pads. Mintex 1155 padd are superb
1155's are THE worst pad I have ever used, bar none. Waste of money.
TNT ANDY
22-05-2013, 19:07
:coffee: Let me know how those brownstuffs pan out for you.
;)
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Will do, it's good to try the 'other' stuff every now and then, I might be pleasantly surprised. They will get the shake down on the french tour for all to see.
when you mean shake down ,is that after you stamped on the brakes , got no response and crashed into a section of armco ,done a few rolls and landed on your roof like a half baked turtle, spitting old bits of fresh green french foilage, followed by "**** those brakes are ****" :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Tony Walker
22-05-2013, 20:05
Ive used greenstuff on a few trackdays now, day to day use there a tiny bit spongy but feel fantastic on track days once warmed up after a couple of corners. Never had any fade from them and i push pretty hard at Oulton now. im sure theres better pads but value for money (i got them through my local euro supplier for peanuts) they were fine.. i just cant justify the rediculous £££ im too used to buying pads for around£10-£15
TNT ANDY
22-05-2013, 22:55
Ive used greenstuff on a few trackdays now, day to day use there a tiny bit spongy but feel fantastic on track days once warmed up after a couple of corners. Never had any fade from them and i push pretty hard at Oulton now. im sure theres better pads but value for money (i got them through my local euro supplier for peanuts) they were fine.. i just cant justify the rediculous £££ im too used to buying pads for around£10-£15
Good to hear Tony. I'm never one to follow the masses, and I'm sure at some times, it's at my expense one way or another. I didn't go with green as there was so much bad press about them, but opted for the yellow as they seem perfect for what I need. I'll be bedding them in on the Euro trip and spanking them on the RTOC national day. Like I say, I'll soon let people know it they are ****e.
BTW a few miss-noma's
1 - My Exhaust manifold installed fibre to the head, metal to the manifold is not blowing. This is the 1st time I have achieved this.
2 - My '****e' turbo manifold gaskets are also fine despite boosting over 24psi. They are also not leaking.
This is working for me.
Tony Walker
22-05-2013, 23:15
Cant remember how i put mine on but i put two on incase there were any discrepancys between the "crap" raceland manifold and the std inlet manifold and all is good :D
TNT ANDY
23-05-2013, 06:31
Cant remember how i put mine on but i put two on incase there were any discrepancys between the "crap" raceland manifold and the std inlet manifold and all is good :D
Have you still not broken that?:laugh:
TNT ANDY
25-05-2013, 08:37
Right, lets get those Yellows in there and see what all the fuss is about.
BTW, I had green stuff in there which were pants.
Tony Walker
25-05-2013, 20:06
Have you still not broken that?:laugh:
lol im trying my best. My greenstuff are nearly out so ill prob end up changing em at blyton. might be nice to compare. ive only got red dot ones to go in tho, they came with some discs i bought along time ago lol.
TNT ANDY
26-05-2013, 10:10
Yellows seem fantastic for normal driving, very sharp from cold, a lot better than my Green stuff pads I removed. Just need to see how they perform on track now. I also got some Ultimax for the rears which are yet to go in as per -
http://www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/car/info.asp
So, so far, very good - I know generally people state that the EBC stuff wears down quickly, but that really suits my needs as I do less than 3000 miles a year and I'd rather change my pads regularly than my disks.
But to reiterate - :agree: So far so good.
TNT ANDY
23-07-2013, 13:07
Just a bit of an update really.
As we all know I can't drive for **** as per Blyton again. This came about from the extremely good breaking force offered from my new ecb rear brake pads (ebc Ulimax)biteing a bit better than my old pads therefore sensing my bias out of the window and sensing my back end out upon heavy braking. So the pads are good, no fading etc, just continuous good braking.
My Cosworth intercooler and my T25 will be coming off and as we speak my newly aquired GT2860r is off toCR for a .49 rear housing and a billet compressor whilst it's there which should give me the extra capacitytop end and also let me have more power if needed, but more importantly allow me to run my existing power with less boost. I'm pretty happy with my power atm but the top end cholks up after 6500 room which is letting me down especially on track. Don't get me wrong, my current turbo is great and delivers very well, but this is now becoming addictive.
So to summerise, my car has a few more dents and looking worse for wear, but hopefully will be going faster.
Next up new tires
good news andy, what extra bhp are you hoping to achieve from the new turbo over the old one?? fluffs will be happy:laugh::laugh::agree:
TNT ANDY
23-07-2013, 15:11
good news andy, what extra bhp are you hoping to achieve from the new turbo over the old one?? fluffs will be happy:laugh::laugh::agree:
230 would be nice.
TNT ANDY
12-01-2014, 20:30
T28 Going on shortly!
:)
Mr Raider
12-01-2014, 22:35
Mmmm mmmm mmmm, big boost bruvva?! ;)
reminds me i must do mikes t28 soon wiv the old screamer and external wastegate pmsl:laugh:
Ahh the magical 230hp....... I'm sure with that blower it won't be a problem ;) with lots of scope for more should the "addiction" continue. :agree:
TNT ANDY
13-01-2014, 08:33
Looking forward to this next stage of development.
Thanks for the comments guys. The 230bhp is really an estimate really, I'm not too fussed if it doesn't make that. I'll be happy to make the same power at less boost to be honest. It's becoming a geeky kind of project for me. Also will be nice to he a roller bearing turbo on there and see what that does from a characteristic point of view.
Slammed 66
13-01-2014, 08:41
Will you be selling the t25 when you swap to t28 Andy? I could well be interested if so.
TNT ANDY
13-01-2014, 15:19
Will you be sellingthe t25 when you swap to t28 Andy? I could well be interested if so.
Yes, dependant on how well the T28 performs that is.
Slammed 66
13-01-2014, 15:30
Cool beans.
Keep me in the loop please dude :)
Go for 250hp and up over with efi matey, make full use of it;)
TNT ANDY
19-01-2014, 20:37
I'll leave that in the hands of the Scoff Mr Briggs:agree:
Well the Turbo and BMS downpipe are on, and hanging off that lot is the Dave Reed Sidey which I'm very excited to here on ol' Fluffy. I'ts all just mocked up at the moment as there is a fair amount of adjusting to be done on the exhaust in so much as very small adjustments to the bottom bracket, and adding a few mounting points as I make my way back.
as always, no hurry's at this end. Just waiting for some bit's n bobs to turn up, Heli-coil kit for the Turbo so that I can fix the studs in place on the bottom 2 fixings and just waiting for Hel performance (Hose solutions) to to get back to me in respect to my AN-4 oil feed which needs to be made up.
Then off to Scoff again.
TNT ANDY
19-01-2014, 20:43
http://www.rtoc.org/files/Miscellaneous/Stotto/1510751_10202923896519777_766589743_n.jpg
http://www.rtoc.org/files/Miscellaneous/Stotto/1524818_10202923895319747_479250787_n.jpg
Just a few of the old and the new - I'll get some more photo's up once I'm back in the garage.
Each wheel is bigger by 5mm and the front is billet, the back end is .49 the front end is quite large @ .80
Wonder how this will work?
Should be interesting, again the EFI and scoffs magic should be able to help get that big bruiser of a blower (for a c1j anyway) up to speed as quickly as possible. :agree:
TNT ANDY
22-01-2014, 06:50
Got the T28 / bms downpipe mocked and hanging on there -
http://www.rtoc.org/files/Miscellaneous/Stotto/T28%20etc/1551575_10202959839498329_1119758263_n.jpg
Hopefully the silencer will keep my trackday scrutineers happy
http://www.rtoc.org/files/Miscellaneous/Stotto/T28%20etc/1551737_10202959840738360_1200838907_n.jpg
Also a great and simple mod is the lower exhaust bracket that came with this exhaust (Dave Reed) which replaces the original awkward and bulky item, I'll get some better pictures up once I get back in the garage.
http://www.rtoc.org/files/Miscellaneous/Stotto/T28%20etc/1510820_10202959839938340_1245958408_n%20(1).jpg
And the last piece of the jigsaw is the oil feed which I'm just waiting on Ben at Hel performance - Formally hose solutions to come up with a short pipe from -4 to -4 with a 90 degree bend on it.
http://www.rtoc.org/files/Miscellaneous/Stotto/T28%20etc/1511482_10202959841218372_869641134_n.jpg
http://www.rtoc.org/files/Miscellaneous/Stotto/T28%20etc/1521688_10202959840978366_1703329258_n.jpg
So all is good.
Whilst looking at threads etc, I came across a handy little app if anybody is interested.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kr.sira.thread
It works surprisingly well.
Whilst looking at threads etc, I came across a handy little app if anybody is interested.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kr.sira.thread
It works surprisingly well.
Bloody handy that! :agree:
Looking good fella :)
New tyres I hear you say! Does that mean your aiming to get past the first corner?
Why not go on the bay and order up the parts you need for your oil feed from ASH ?
Don't forget you need a resrictor in your oil feed on a dollar bearing setup.
Hope the turbocharger won't let you down mate! As i said it's a bit big for a c1j but the .49 housing will help!
What base housing did they use as .49 rear as it isn't a standard supplied housing.
One thing i'm sure about though, it will be able to deliver 300bhp!
I bought all my AN couplings at Torques UK
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