yesterday at cadwell

[philg]

We had a great day at cadwell yesterday, 13 of us went down with 4 cars running, my gt, my Dave's 2.0l nos xr2i, 2.0l nova and 2.0 escort. Whether was bad on the way down, 4hr drive for me in my buckets, not good :crap:. We stayed at the roayal oak, i would highly recommend, the place was great, lovely rooms, great pup and the food was amazing not your normal pup grub.

I had only 2.5 hrs sleep and managed to lock myself out the hotel and i do not drink, long story :).

Early start, then off we went. Weather was great all day which i was happy about.

The car was great overall, i had great fun and had a proper chance to drive it harder than i normally would. Straight line power was great, i was only running on 14psi and it would keep up with most, my brakes were fantastic, really stopped the car, the one downside was the handling, its not great, maybe its my skills or my nerves but it just could not enter or follow through the corners like some other cars could. I was only running toyo fronst and budgets on the rear, the car had enough feel, i just maybe was not brave enough. I know 99% of cars on track where on slicks or semis.

Maybe some of you track guys can shed some light on setting the cars up a bit better, height, damper settings and tyres to fit over big brakes, i gues alot of it comes down to, technology has moved an car chassis and design have go better, to be fair she did alright though.

Loads of people commented on my little car, everyone said you mad putting that round its to mint for the track :smokin:

I managed a respectable 2 mins, my Daves xr2i did a 1.49, Andy in his nova did a 2 min and Andys escort did 1.46.

Here are a few pictures :)


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[LiamR]

They are pics mate. Very cool :agree:

And you are nuts for taking that on the track!!lol

[Big Steve - Raider]

Shall we delete that "thinking of selling my car" thread now?:laugh:;)

[Alastair]

Probably your camber / castor settings mate, you can dramatically change the turn in and cornering by playing about a bit. Toyos are normally pretty good on track and budgets on the rear will help you get a decent 4 wheel drift :laugh: TBH i normally run worse tyres on the rear to loosen it up a bit...!

Give me a shout at ND and bring some camber correcting bolts, a big hammer and a drill and ill give you a steer ;)

Car looks sweet on track mate:agree:

[Andyturbo!]

Awesome! Pics mate, car looks great on track :agree:

[bod 182]

Probably your camber / castor settings mate, you can dramatically change the turn in and cornering by playing about a bit. Toyos are normally pretty good on track and budgets on the rear will help you get a decent 4 wheel drift :laugh: TBH i normally run worse tyres on the rear to loosen it up a bit...!

Give me a shout at ND and bring some camber correcting bolts, a big hammer and a drill and ill give you a steer ;)

Car looks sweet on track mate:agree:
You should see the camber on my cup car:eek:

[jesus in the seat of a 5]

You should see the camber on my cup car:eek:

me too bud, good going phil, lookin good, glad you had good weather!!!!, change the boot badges though....:laugh:;):wasntme:

[Mart]

Car's looking mighty fine Phil. And you want to sell up?! http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/confused/stupid.gif

[philg]

Thanks guys, the pictures are great, well worth the purchase.

I read somewhere about these camber front bolts. Do they look like there is a chunk out of them?

Some top adjustable top mounts would be good.

Is my car a bit low? Maybe someone could advise on a good track front and back.

Mart I sometimes wished I had stuck with a good standard brake set up, I then could run slicks for occasions like this, would 14" alloys fit over 280 discs? That might give me some better tyre options.

Sorry alister I'm not at nd this year either, we are on our holidays. I can send you my number for a proper chat on ideas for my car.

The jury is still out on the sale :laugh: going to have a think this winter, if I can get the cornering ability a bit better, then my only problem is getting to events. I would love to do other circuits and even go abroad, it's just back braking in those seats :cry:

[GT Josh]

Great pics mate! Great car. Don't sell it you lemon :)

[Mart]

There's cheaper alternatives than paying out for camber bolts, although an 'adjustable' top mount will help there, plus can then also dial in a bit more castor.

Rear looks too low to me, and as a result, there's probably not much suspension travel. Get it up a couple of inches, minimum.

I did say about ya brakes ;) and yes, slicks would make a noticeable difference - Easily the best mod' that Bill & I fitted to T-cup back in the day, and would be one of the first recommendations I'd make to anyone tracking a GTT...which is why I've just sourced a set :D

If 14's don't fit over the brakes (and I don't think they will, plus it's a janky size to find tyres for), then 15's make more sense...unless you revert back to 13" :D

[philg]

There's cheaper alternatives than paying out for camber bolts, although an 'adjustable' top mount will help there, plus can then also dial in a bit more castor.

Rear looks too low to me, and as a result, there's probably not much suspension travel. Get it up a couple of inches, minimum.

I did say about ya brakes ;) and yes, slicks would make a noticeable difference - Easily the best mod' that Bill & I fitted to T-cup back in the day, and would be one of the first recommendations I'd make to anyone tracking a GTT...which is why I've just sourced a set :D

If 14's don't fit over the brakes (and I don't think they will, plus it's a janky size to find tyres for), then 15's make more sense...unless you revert back to 13" :D

Mart are the camber bolts those one with a chunk out the side of them? I do have a friend who may have a go making some top mounts for me, he is a very handy lad.

How high should my car be, if i look at it now on 195 45 15 i can just see the top of the front tyre and about 1cm of the rear below the back arch, i guess then if i came up some 195 50 15s would fit, when i had my willy wheels on with 888 195 50s they where catching all over. I know Alister runs 195 50 15s on his williams alloys ok.

i have just had a bit of a play with a tyre calculator, if i compare a 195 45 15 with a 165 50 15 888 there is not much in it.

side wall 3.5-3.2
radius 11.0-10.7
dia 21.9-21.5
curcumference 68.8-67.5
rev/mile 921.0-938.0

Dont know how good a 165 would be on a 7" rim, bigger side wall may allow, much better on a 6.5" rim i guess.

If i can get a 14" rim over my brakes, a 185 55 14 888 is available, not a million miles of the 195 45 15.

[jaffa]

Probably your camber / castor settings mate, you can dramatically change the turn in and cornering by playing about a bit. Toyos are normally pretty good on track and budgets on the rear will help you get a decent 4 wheel drift :laugh: TBH i normally run worse tyres on the rear to loosen it up a bit...!

Give me a shout at ND and bring some camber correcting bolts, a big hammer and a drill and ill give you a steer ;)

Car looks sweet on track mate:agree:

i think best advise is to walk b4 u can run...forget the tyres for now go back to basis and make sure everything is set up on the coilovers correctly,all bushes are in good order...rubber not poly are best for feel...then sort the tyres...pressures have a play witht them...then alignment check and adjust as required..it goes on and on and on lol

[g10far]

Mart are the camber bolts those one with a chunk out the side of them? I do have a friend who may have a go making some top mounts for me, he is a very handy lad.

How high should my car be, if i look at it now on 195 45 15 i can just see the top of the front tyre and about 1cm of the rear below the back arch, i guess then if i came up some 195 50 15s would fit, when i had my willy wheels on with 888 195 50s they where catching all over. I know Alister runs 195 50 15s on his williams alloys ok.

i have just had a bit of a play with a tyre calculator, if i compare a 195 45 15 with a 165 50 15 888 there is not much in it.

side wall 3.5-3.2
radius 11.0-10.7
dia 21.9-21.5
curcumference 68.8-67.5
rev/mile 921.0-938.0

Dont know how good a 165 would be on a 7" rim, bigger side wall may allow, much better on a 6.5" rim i guess.

If i can get a 14" rim over my brakes, a 185 55 14 888 is available, not a million miles of the 195 45 15.

165 50 15 wont be any good, too narrow matey the car would be all over the place. Unfortunately toyo only do a 195 50 15 as you've said. Ive heard that Avon do a track based road legal tyre thats a 195 45 15, but you'd have to look into that! If you raise the car though you shouldnt have any issues, I have a friend who runs his on circuit and had no issues, but his sits a little higher than yours.

With regards to damper settings just run them fully stiff its always worked for me, I find that 5's roll a lot! Your never really going to loose the charachteristics of the 5 (oversteer) A lot of it is confidence, you have to be alert when flat out. Tyres will help with this though, for the money you cant go wrong with 888's some will agree some will disagree, its all down to the driver!

[philg]

165 50 15 wont be any good, too narrow matey the car would be all over the place. Unfortunately toyo only do a 195 50 15 as you've said. Ive heard that Avon do a track based road legal tyre thats a 195 45 15, but you'd have to look into that! If you raise the car though you shouldnt have any issues, I have a friend who runs his on circuit and had no issues, but his sits a little higher than yours.

With regards to damper settings just run them fully stiff its always worked for me, I find that 5's roll a lot! Your never really going to loose the charachteristics of the 5 (oversteer) A lot of it is confidence, you have to be alert when flat out. Tyres will help with this though, for the money you cant go wrong with 888's some will agree some will disagree, its all down to the driver!


I did think the 165 would be a non starter, such a shame as the 888s would be my first choice, drive there, have fun and then drive back home.

I did read about the avon slicks to when having a bit of a search.

My car has the damper setting front and back about half way. I have knock hill next month so could try stiffening them up, you think hard all round works well.

I do think alot of it is confidence, just need to get that back.

[Romil Davda]

There's cheaper alternatives than paying out for camber bolts, although an 'adjustable' top mount will help there, plus can then also dial in a bit more castor.

Car.crash had a pair of these camber bolts for sale, not sure if he still has them!?! :scratch:

Some great pics by the way... and well done for having a car that looks as good as it drives ;)

[philg]

Car.crash had a pair of these camber bolts for sale, not sure if he still has them!?! :scratch:

Some great pics by the way... and well done for having a car that looks as good as it drives ;)


Thanks for the heads up, pm sent :).

[g10far]

I did think the 165 would be a non starter, such a shame as the 888s would be my first choice, drive there, have fun and then drive back home.

I did read about the avon slicks to when having a bit of a search.

My car has the damper setting front and back about half way. I have knock hill next month so could try stiffening them up, you think hard all round works well.

I do think alot of it is confidence, just need to get that back.

I still think if you raise it up you shouldnt have any issues with 888's. I ran them on my car on the road, and it wasn't much higher than yours and it very rarely rubbed. It all depends on on whether you want to leave the ride height as is.

Ive always found that the hardest settings worked on my shocks. It all depends on your driving style though, but for the sake of adjusting them its definitely worth a try.

Cracking car by the way, it looks mint!:agree:

[philg]

Here is a video my brother uploaded of him following me :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1-SfTliQHE&feature=share