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Right took it out a few times this weekend and I can't see anywhere else where the oil is coming from at all, so it must be the headgasket. Can't understand what's happened tho.
one thing that did come to mind was after I snapped a headbolt I was so annoyed I just walked off and left it alone and forgot I left the head with the two middle bolts tourqed and the others just tight, for 24 hrs or so. Do you think this could have bananad the head at all. It was stone cold.
I have tried to google if alloy can warp when cold but can't seem to find anything on it.
other than that either it's detted and done the gasket or the heads lifted.
So after much further investigation said oil fountain appears to be coming from the dipstick, I wrapped a clean rag around the top, took it for a quick boost and the inside of the rag was covered in oil with non on the outside.
Pretty sure the head gasket is fine, runs well 120/125 psi across all cylinders on a cold comp test with WOT.
Headbolts are fine, 80nm's
Here are the plugs
Pot 1 (flywheel end)
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pot2
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pot3
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pot4
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Doesn't appear to be any signs of det, maybe slightly on pot2 as I have had some durin setting up but only for a nano second as I have been using a steth to listen. It's the slight speckled dots on the white part of the plug that make me think it's has some slight det, non on any of the other pots. when the headgaskets go it usually happens on the water jacket on pot two. As we know the two inner cylinders run slightly leaner than the outer two.
Non at all at WOT when giving it the lead foot treatment.
I need to re-seal the sump up and get the oil level correct and maybe crimp the dipstick tube or get a new rubber seal if that's possible?
I would have thought it would be chucking it out of the breather system if the sump was pressurising under boost but the catch tank is empty, might start filling up once the dipstick tube seals:laugh:
Nad-5GTT
27-03-2014, 12:24
Happy days :yeah:
Markey Mark (BD)
27-03-2014, 12:24
Pinch the dipstick tube alittle at the top mate, that'll grip the dipstick alot better and stop it being forced out when on boost
Better to upgrade the engine breather to prevent pressure in the bottom end
The oil level is slightly over the max mark, I have fitted a replacement piston new liner and new rings, the engine has only done 350 miles or so, most of that has been hard miles. I would have thought the rings would have bedded in by now.
On previous engines it's always been oil out of the breathers first and as I said the catch tank is empty?
The rubber grommet on the dip stick has seen better days. I have never had it pop out before like this, even when i had so much blow by it was chuffing out 500ml (bottle of coke) in just 1 quater mile, from the breather system.
I have seen some c1j's with an extra breather on the front of the block. These were running daft boost tho, in some cases 30psi or more:eek:
Red October
28-03-2014, 00:54
My dipstick was popping out slightly at 20psi and oil slick diagnosis took forever lke yours phil identical. Then I started to get more and more pressure In the sump up to 80psi eventually she started blowing smoke, filled a cossie catch tank and stripped it down. 3 cracked pistons from extreme det (ran too much boost at blyton) between the tops and the rings I could slide pieces out, see my resto thread.
Hop you get it sorted pal these niggley problems are annoying after a while.
Well.........that's my 200hp bit of fun over, just broke it:wasntme:
Private road at 135+
Suspect bottom end, blowing blue smoke out of the breathers and it sounds like a bag of bones.
No over heating no mixing of oil and coolant, and the oil pressure is still over 40psi, I think a piston has picked up on a liner or worse :disagree:
It was fun while it lasted!
B18ftMOJO5
19-04-2014, 17:41
Sorry to hear that Phil was looking forward to seeing your car at the go karting day out. .i havent been over a 100 in mine yet. Hope you get it sorted soon pal.
Nad-5GTT
19-04-2014, 17:48
No way dude, really sorry to hear this :crap:. Do you know the cause yet.
Something has just failed I think, tune was fine aside from the oil pressure issues when I first smelt the smoke I thought the turbo had let go.
Upon inspection the turbo seems fine.
It seems be running on three on start up and I can hear a lack of compression on one cylinder.
I think either a piston has picked up on a liner or a ringland has give up.
Time to get oily again:laugh:
Nad-5GTT
19-04-2014, 18:14
I don't know how you can get so motivated right away. If that was my car I'd have to lock it away for at least 3 months.
I don't know how you can get so motivated right away. If that was my car I'd have to lock it away for at least 3 months.
:laugh: That's probably what I will do!
sorry to hear that phil. being covered in oil most of the time is one of the conditions of owning a 5. hope its a easy fix
B18ftMOJO5
19-04-2014, 18:40
dont knw if its any use haz has a c1j bottom end going spare. for free :)
dont knw if its any use haz has a c1j bottom end going spare. for free :)
If the head isn't lunched it may well be an option:agree:
Great thread and sorry to hear about your engine mishap.
I hope you get it fixed quickly and get the 12 sec quater soon.
Hi Phil, sorry to hear this mate. Another thing that maybe you should consider is the Renix Unit, when I was tuning mine I did my pistons in twice ! Fuelling was fine but it kept detting at WOT high up the rev range so when I put it on the rollers next time, I tried retarding the ignition timing by moving the TDC sensor and it was having no effect so we concluded that the Renix Unit was faulty - possibly a leaky diaphragm ?
Putting a secondhand Renix unit on I was able to have a effect on the Det by adjusting the TDC. May not be your problem but just a thought mate.
Cheers Ranj/Bealo/royz, will give the a.e.i a good check over using the syringe method.
Finally stopped sulking and got about finding out what went wrong and why.
Didn't even bother comp testing it, the amount of blue smoke coming out of the breathers was phenomenal and it sounded like a bag of bones.
Pulled the plugs out and pot 4 was silver and covered in molten metal:disagree:
So off came the head to reveal this
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:eek:
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:eek::eek::eek:
That was fifth gear 22psi flat out 7k rpm for a good 2 mins. :disagree:
What a fool.:laugh:
The head looks salvageable thankfully.
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Gave the old slag a wash and leather then rain halted play:disagree:
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On a positive note, I have been offered a running c1j FOC:agree:
Going for a look and hopefully will bring it back with me on Saturday.
It's a standard c1j with standard comp pistons.
Going to use my head 73.5mm and fit my 285 cam and followers. Time it upto 112 or 110 (still haven't decided)
Swap my paddle clutch and lightened flywheel over (may get the clutch re-pucked) and the flywheel faced.
Then see if I can manage not to melt any more pistons!!:wasntme:
As for why this happened i'm not 100% on, pretty sure detonation is the cause but there are no marks on the gasket at all and no marks on the head aside from where the bits of piston have stuck to it. the liner is also covered in melted piston.
Lord knows if the turbo bearings have been damaged my bet is they probably have, might strip it down for a look or might just wack it back on and see how it goes:wasntme::agree:
Markey Mark (BD)
15-05-2014, 16:03
That piston has begun to melt mate
Could be various reason but one i'm thinking of is the temps in the cylinder were getting way too hot from either leaning out of inlet charge temps through the roof
That piston has begun to melt mate
Could be various reason but one i'm thinking of is the temps in the cylinder were getting way too hot from either leaning out of inlet charge temps through the roof
Sounds about correct for that boost in Fifth for that long with a carb. I should really have known better :ashamed:
Guess that would've been the case, looks a bit like my piston. Also on cylinder one:
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Shame this is a forged item in an f7r :D
Indeed, could be worse i suppose, at least my piston was a cheap standard one. I always thought the flywheel end was pot 1?
Either way we have both mullered them properly, that's for sure.
Go hard..........and melt pistons!!
Or should that be, tune correct..... keep engine in one piece......:laugh:
Probably the last bit :D
And you're right, flywheel side is pot 1, i misjudged your pic. Mine was nr.1 though
Went and picked up a c1j today. :agree:
Big thanks to Mark (mk5gtt)
Pulled the standard cam out and the followers ready for my 285 and followers to go in.
Engine had been stood for a year or so, seems to turn over nice and freely and the oil we pulled out was in quite good nick. You can see it's done some miles as the honing marks on the liners are virtually gone. It was a good running lump so fingers crossed it should be ok.
Going to get it up on a stand next week and get about cleaning it up and swapping all my bits over.
Don't fancy another fiveless summer:dearme::disagree:
B18ftMOJO5
18-05-2014, 10:06
thats great news Phil..:)..hope your back on the rd soon pal:agree:
Managed a good half days work on the five this week:agree:
Put the working bottom end up on the engine stand.
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took the bumper and bonnet off ready to take out the lump with the melted piston
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Pulled the lump out and stripped all the goodies from it
paddle clutch
cam/pully
followers
timing chain and tensioner
Also took the liners from the three other pots as they are still mint.
The cam seems to have gone unscathed so that's a bonus at least
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I would love to give the lump a re-fresh but i'm flat broke and it's just not an option.
I'm not even going to take the sump off, was told the lump used to run good so will just clean it all up stick it in and hope for the best:laugh:
Will be fitting the cam to the working bottom end and timing it up this weekend.
I then need to strip the valves out of the cylinder head on the pot where the piston melted, clean all the bits of melted piston off ( luckily it seems to come off easily) it isn't on any mating faces so as long as it's all clean including the inlet manifold and exhaust manifold then the head should be good to just re-use.
It's an unskimmed head with standard compression pistons so should be the standard comp ratio. cam is going to 112 degrees.
proper barn door engineering but with zero funds I don't have much choice :wasntme:
Nad-5GTT
23-05-2014, 11:22
When you do work on it you don't half work quick :agree: I do hope you have a bit of luck with this one, maybe ease off the 135mph 2mile runs for a while :laugh:
Good work :)
How likely is it that there will be swarf that has gotten down into the engine/sump?
very likely but I'm binning the damaged block anyway.
When i pulled the sump plug out it was silver on the inside :disagree:
cam/pullys appear undamaged.
most of the melted piston will have gone straight into the sump and out through the exhaust valves i would have thought. I suppose i could get the block hot washed once stripped and keep it as a spare instead of just binning it. The sump will be scrap for sure.
Sorry Phil, I didn't read all of what you wrote properly :agree: I thought for a moment you were just going to whack it back in after replacing the piston/liner.
When you do work on it you don't half work quick :agree: I do hope you have a bit of luck with this one, maybe ease off the 135mph 2mile runs for a while :laugh:
Indeed:wasntme:
I'm on with fitting and timing the cam.
What piston do i use to find TDC with a dti?
I have only ever done this with the head on.
Markey Mark (BD)
25-05-2014, 16:46
I'm on with fitting and timing the cam.
What piston do i use to find TDC with a dti?
I have only ever done this with the head on.
It will piston 1 mate
Cheers Mark,
I gave up yesterday, whiskey and the F1 highlights were calling :laugh:
So please feel free everyone to correct me or give me some hints and tips. Last time i dialled a cam in a used Scoffs method in the camshaft article.
This time obviously the head is off.
First of all i need to find as accurate a TDC as i can so i understand that there is a certain amount of dwell before the piston starts to go back down.
Do i take the reading off the dti when the piston stops rising then take it again as it starts to fall and use right in the middle of the two for TDC?
Once that's sorted i will fit the protractor and pointer, turn the engine to TDC using the dti. Adjust the protractor so the pointer is at 0 degrees.
Then measure the peak lift of the inlet valve on pot 1 using the same method as before, taking the protractor reading as the dti stops rising and again as it starts to fall and using the figure in the middle.
Take three readings and work out the average.
I thought i had it sussed three years ago when i first did it, yesterday when i started i couldn't remember any of it..........:ashamed:
Still unsure what figure to shoot for, its a 112 piper 285. Last engine was low comp with 4 degrees of retard. Shit low down but really picked its feet up after 5k rpm. Given the goal of a 12 second Q/M i feel i should retard it again but the compression will be much higher than my last engine and i can't help but wonder if 116 degrees will lose me to much lower down. I'm running a 60 trim T28.
compression will be standard
hmmmm what's everones opinion?
I'm thinking 112/114.......:confused:
Markey Mark (BD)
26-05-2014, 09:26
That sounds right about timing cam mate :agree:
With the cam timing figure it really does come down to how you want the engine to perform, in my old campus when I redid the engine I set it to 115deg with a T28 fitted and slightly lower comp. It was alittle less responsive low down but did shift once on boost. When I bought the engine it was standard comp and the cam set at 112deg
In my old tungy that was 112deg with standard comp and full T25, I never changed the cam timing in that only what was on the engine
I do know of cars that have had the 285 set as much as 116deg and as little as 108deg too, Bushys car when he did the 11.97 he had his cam set to 110deg
sounds like you know what your doing and are on the right track :agree:
I have a similar setup to yours but have timed my 285 to 109deg - I had full boost (21psi) by 4300rpm but have since fitted a one piece downpipe so hopefully will be lower still. I have possibly advanced too much and wasting the potential of the cam but the engine pulls well and all the way to the 7.5k limiter
It was at 116 in the other engine, i liked the pull at the top end very much, as the melted piston shows.....:wasntme:
It was however always short on power compared to other c1j's. I always thought this was due to the low comp and not the cam timing. It's a tough choice i don't really fancy adjusting it in situ, it's hard enough on an engine stand.
I might go for 115/116 with pod in mind.
Then again i might just flip a coin and let fate decide as it's pretty obvious that i can't.
:laugh:
Tubby, your downpipe will help massively with the spool, my bms took 400rpm off spool up:eek:
Mark,
I'm guessing that bushys cam was an older version 285 that was recommended by piper at 110 degrees.
Bushys quater was very much down to his launch and gear change at the start, his Full T25 and the cam at 110 degrees would have helped a great deal with that i would have thought.
Obviously the fact his engine also made very good power did the rest.
I watched his run and the launch was awesome:cool:
Goes to show that time can be made up by putting in a good 60ft time and a good first/second gear change.
Slicks obviously help and the big 22" ones hook up like nobodys business i would have thought. Was bushy using small slicks? From memory i think he was.
His 60ft time is very impressive. That's what i think dropped him into the 11's with the power he had.
So maybe 113 will be a good figure to hit given my turbo doesn't hit full boost till after 4k rpm.
My best 60ft time to date is 1.8 bushys was 1.74 a few 10'ths on the launch count for a lot more at the end.
All sorted, took a little while.
I set it to 113 degrees. :agree:
B18ftMOJO5
26-05-2014, 15:09
well done Phil that was a quick turn around.:) good job :agree:
chunk552
26-05-2014, 21:28
I Always enjoy reading your thread Phil :)
Always a problem love it :agree:
Good to see you have it fixed so fast mate, love it! Just my caracter, bite the bullit and proceed!
So when's the start up Phil? :popcorn:
Not for a while yet, i am as far as i can get now with zero cash spent. Big London weekend this weekend means zero pennies for the c1j:disagree: mucho blood thirsty fun tho:wasntme:
Well.......just had a flick back through this thread and checked the date of the first post, it was 2012 that means I started the project in 2011:laugh:
Recently things financially have taken a turn for the worst.
To give you an idea when I started the project my salary was around 22/23k per year and I had no kids either.
Now I have twins and last years salary was 6k :disagree: This years is set to be even lower by the looks of things. I'm a self employed driving instructor and due to childcare issues and the fact my Mrs salary is much more reliable meant late 2011 I had to go part time to take on the bulk of the childcare. This obviously hit my hobbies quite hard both from having the time to work on the car or indeed not having any cash to splash.
Considering the amount of engine failures I have encountered it's no wonder I have haven't managed a 12 yet earning that sort of money.
Over the last few months or so a few developments have taken place. Firstly my twins start nursery next week :yeah: So that opens up quite a lot more time for me to work. However I have become a little disillusioned recently with teaching people to drive. What with the unreliable nature of my clients ranging from forgetting they had a lesson to continually asking could they pay me at the end of the month then just vanishing when that time comes.
Also had one or two issues with other people on the roads. This culminated with me having my hands round some poor blokes neck while he was over the front of his bonnet:eek: Not exactly great behaviour on my part but he just pushed me to far.
So I have decided it's time to make a change. I'm going to be doing a degree in Motorsports engineering. I start next week and plan to still teach people to drive around the uni course.
I can't believe the amount of money it firstly costs and secondly these students get thorwn at them in the form of maintenance loans and grants. :eek:
I mean what else are these things for spending on other than a 12 second GT Turbo :laugh:
So I should have one or two actual updates over the next few months.
As it stands now the bottom end is still on the engine stand but is complete with cam all timed up and what not. The rest of the engine is in the boot. The car its self hasn't seen the light of day from under it's cover for at least 4 months all that time it's bee tax'd, MOT'd and insured just broke :sad:
All I need is gaskets/coolant/oil/headbolts and I'm good to go chucking it all back in. Should be able to do it in a day I think. Funds have also been no existent over that time hence why it hasn't been touched.
So all in all a positive outlook at last and fingers crossed I can reach that line in under 13 seconds sooner rather than later. :agree::agree:
Nad-5GTT
03-09-2014, 17:04
I bet your looking forward to the twins going to nursery, my youngest starts in October and I can't bloody wait :laugh: peace and quiet ;) oh and its school tomoz for the eldest, bliss
Good that your going back to study for a new career, I would like to study for something if I had my time again but touch wood I've got a good stable job with prospects so I can't grumble too much.
You would never see me spend a student loan on a renault 5........... well not all of it :ashamed::laugh:
GOOD LUCK
Good luck Phil, don't give up! :agree::D
Long time no post:wasntme:
Haven't even taken the cover off the raider since the last time it was washed back in April last year. The neighbours cat has decided to use the rear spoiler as a scratching post and has put some holes in the cover. Lord knows what i'm going to find when I finally do get round to uncovering it.:scared:
On a positive note I have just ordered a blueline headgasket, some head bolts, a new water pump and fixing kit, some indicator bulb holders, and one or two other small bits. :D
That's everything I need to chuck the lump back in and i'm away.
I ended up taking the sump off the donated bottom end I got, glad I did really, there was some shite in there that needed to come out. some old valve stem oil seals and some horrid black gungey oil residue. I checked the oil pump and bearings and all seemed well.:agree:
So hopefully over the next few weeks things will finally start to happen. Miss the boost!:devil:
turbo ted
18-01-2015, 11:00
Get back at this phil I think 2015 is the year for fast 5s
Get back at this phil I think 2015 is the year for fast 5s
Cheers Ted, it's all this talk about retro day at pod that's got the juice's flowing again:agree:
I won't confirm my attendance until I'm sure I can make it but secretly :laugh: That's my plan;)
The smallest of updates. This week hasn't gone fully to plan with regards time on the car. One of my daughters has been in hospital for 3 days and the Mrs's nose has been out of joint everytime I mention doing some work on my car. Same old same old really. Difficult balancing a driving school, degree and a family.
So I pulled the cover back for the first time since may last year. I was greeted by a plethora of micro organisms growing inside the car. :disagree:
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10655
So I have some cleaning to do.
I re-assembled the head turbo and carb with a new water pump.
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10653
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10654
So in my half term break I have managed only this when the plan was to have the engine back in and running. :(
I managed only 1.5 hrs in the garage in total. Pants. I also started to rub down my o.e grill I have. It is slightly damaged and has a shonkey repair also that needs sorting. But nothing that's beyond a bit of time and effort. To sort.
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10656
Also all three of the connections between the bottom slats are broken.
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10657
Any suggestions on what to use to bond the back together and I'm guessing the repair will need taking back and re-bonding also.
Does anyone want to swap my Mrs with a more "car understanding" one:laugh:
phil get a 1 or 1.5 mm drill bit and drill up from the bottom then using a small screw to give it some strength before using some plastic weld in the joint and screwing it back together.
Sounds like a plan. :agree:
B18ftMOJO5
22-02-2015, 23:33
looking good Phil, can wait to finally see her on the rd, hope your all ready by go karting pal.:agree:
A bit of progress at last:agree:
The bottom end is back in place.
Refitted the clutch and flywheel and slid it back onto the box in the car. Haven't done it this way before. Was a bit of a ball ache wiggling the block back onto the box. The engine bay paintwork bares a few scars.
Taking it out using this method is however quick and easy. I suppose the fact you don't have to touch the driveshaft's or drain the box compensate for the arse about getting it back in.
I pulled it out from under it's cover and gave it a wash. it still looks ok from 6ft away so that will do:laugh:
Screen surround is pissing me off more and more. dread to think what's going on behind that bulk head rust wise. Won't be getting sorted this summer I think I would rather enjoy using it for once. ;)
I was this close to selling, had three offers for it in just two days after mentioning it on FB. I have come to my senses now and it's going nowhere for the time being.
Would like it taxed and MOT'd and running decent boost for the NW karting event in may. I will be done with UNI for the summer by that point also. Need a break after a busy 7 months.
Tonight/ tomorrow I will be fitting the head and plumbing the engine up ready to fire up at some point next week.
good work phil I don't mind unless ya get it to pod for retro day:D
B18ftMOJO5
01-04-2015, 12:30
Thats great to hear phil. :agree: looking forward to finally seeing her on the rd:)
After a long day in the garage where everything seemed to take forever and what could have gone wrong did. I was finishing up just now filling the lump with oil and coolant.
Went to bleed the coolant system and hear coolant hitting the floor:confused: , loose hose clip I thought. Checked them all and they were fine. Next on the list was the new water pump that's fitted, checked the gasket and it was dry all round.
Anyway spent the next 10 mins wondering where it could be coming from. Then I spotted it.
When I blow down the header tank coolant was coming from a bolt on the timing cover:scared: took the bolt out and it squirted out all over the garage floor. :disagree:
It's the bolt right next to the coolant drain plug on the timing cover.
I'm guessing it's a water jacket behind said bolt that's cracked. :cry:
Markey Mark (BD)
03-04-2015, 12:50
I've had that happen before mate, when a bolt too long is used to hold the cover on it cracks the back of the block off so the whole goes right through to the water gallery
I have chemical metaled a stud in them before to stop the leak before, least it will stop the leak and save you swapping blocks
I've had that happen before mate, when a bolt too long is used to hold the cover on it cracks the back of the block off so the whole goes right through to the water gallery
I have chemical metaled a stud in them before to stop the leak before, least it will stop the leak and save you swapping blocks
That's what i have done mark, it had a bolt in the block when I got it and I just didn't notice. Damage was probably already done as when I removed the bolt it snapped like cheese.
I've chemical metaled it, we will see how I get on. Fingers crossed:agree:
After setting up the dizzy drive, and after some arsing about with the firing order she purred into life. :agree:
Let it get up to temp until the fan kicked in then turned it off. I had missed an oil cooler union on the rad and that was it. Let it get stone cold now then re-tourq the head and do the valve clearances again and it's good to go.
The chemical metal seems to be holding up well, I didn't even bother putting a stud in the hole just filled it 8mm or so deep with chemical metal putty and mushroomed it over the bolt hole on the on the timing cover. Seems ok so far. They rekon on the packet you can even drill and tap the stuff once it's gone off.
I'm now watching my back for other issues. The turbo is in the back of my mind because it's been on a fair few failed engines now. Just hope it doesn't shat it's self any time soon. There is zero play in the bearings and it spins nicely with some revs. At idle to it wasn't moving at all? I always thought it did?
Anyway time to start thinking about MOT/insurance and tax now.
sounds like its back and its bad:D yep get the MOT sorted etc then get ya ass down to pod on the retro weekend to see if 12s is on pmsl:D:agree:
nice to see its nearly sorted. I know after my last rebuild I took oil, 2lts of water and other bits just in case I missed anything out :)
will be good to see a few more 5's at the karting this year
Ha, I always carry tools......and spares. I'm just hoping I don't break it in a matter of weeks again. I should really set it up for 20lb boost nice and reliable. I just can't help myself tho. :devil:
My engine casualties box is full enough already. :laugh: I've got melted pistons, pistons that are all chewed up from a valve guide that shat it's self. Bent valves, you name it. :wasntme:
Sick of insuring mot'ing then taxing......then having it sat there broke after a few weeks.:disagree:
Shakedown done, oil pressure is good, spanked it a bit also with the boost set up as it was before the melted piston. 24psi felt awesome, it conked out on me because the idle jet got full of shite from all the boost pipes lying around for months. Flat battery meant I had to push it home........:wasntme: Broke a sweat that's for sure. Was a good quarter of a mile home. :dearme:
It conked out as I was doing a u-turn at the end of the road. That was fun, stuck across a junction with no bonnet on or tax mot or insurance.......:laugh:
Just don't ask what I do for a living as well as study engineering;)
Few pics, of the dirty engine bay and one of an o.e grill I bought months ago mocked up for fitment. Needs a bit of trimming and some repair work but it should look well once painted and fitted properly.
Better than that got awful R19 style grill anyways, lord knows what I was thinking when I purchased that from prima racing for £120......:disagree:
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10798
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10797
The yellow car is my neighbours series 2 Lotus Esprit. :cool:
Spot the bodge!
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10801
Really not happy about this but I suppose it's better than taking it all back out and swapping blocks. :crap:
Good bit of work this Phil, I just hope that liquid metal stuff holds out. I suppose there's no reason why it won't.
I need to crack on with my GTT actually. I've nothing major I need to do but do have a but of a list building up.
Love that S2 Esprit, my brother used to own one in gold!
Woznaldo
06-04-2015, 11:58
Better than that got awful R19 style grill anyways, lord knows what I was thinking when I purchased that from prima racing for £120......:disagree:
The yellow car is my neighbours series 2 Lotus Esprit. :cool:
Ha ha, I too thought the R19 Grills looked the biz back in the day. Make me puke now!
Do love an old skool Esprit. A mate has an S1.
B18ftMOJO5
06-04-2015, 21:25
Same here need to tax and mot mine too. Have to come in that to the karting:) i may also be swaping my 1.8 vag turbo for a clio 182 fingers crossed.;)
Did a bit more on the raider yesterday.:agree:
Fitted a new alternator, a few new coolant hoses, new engine earth strap, new 90 degree distributor, made some adjustments to the boost circuit and gave it a wash. I also went through it and made sure it's ready for an MOT that will get done at some point next week.
Once that's sorted I just need to tax and it's ready for the road.
Took it for a cheeky spin yesterday and did a bit of afr fettling. It's the first time I have ever run standard compression. Felt a bit more perky off boost for sure. At 22lb boost I was fueling 11.5 arf upto 7k in forth.
The wheels were spinning up in third with ease. :smokin:
I'm not so sure how the turbo has faired after being on my long list of failed engines. I only did about 3/4 miles and there was a some oil in the boost hoses and in the compressor housing. The bearings feel fine but it's never in all the time I have had this turbo ever spat that much oil out for such a short journey. It was only a bit but my guess is it's not going to last much longer. I've had this t28 for 6 years and it's done about 10k or so. I suppose I will find out over the next few weeks. If it fails tho I'm not in a position to get it rebuilt or replaced for a while. We will see.
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10868
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10869
:agree: that's coming along nicely
Mr Raider
17-05-2015, 21:39
Looking good fella :agree: :).
if the bolt for the timing cover is what you've bodged, its very easy to drill and helicoil it, just engine out job
i helicoil'd all my sump bolt holes when i rebuilt mine was super easy drilled out lovely and quick and taped nicely.
The bolt is an immense bit of bodgery. :wasntme: I just was not up for taking the whole lot back out, it took me nearly 11 months just to find the time to source the engine remove the old one and drop the replacement one in. That's what happened when you have 4 year old twins and a driving school and studying a degree 60+ hour weeks plus my Mrs works a full 40hr week also. Time really was at an all time premium.
Plus if it is the water jacket behind that's cracked then even drilling and tapping won't sort it. It's gonna get thrashed within an inch of it's life anyways so I'm sure it will be out again at some point......:laugh:
Should be getting it's MOT this week and some tax, then it's going to the NW karting day for it's maiden thrashing. I've got a title to defend so I hope it makes it:agree:
B18ftMOJO5
18-05-2015, 14:16
Great work Phil:):agree:
MOT sorted for another year :agree: Fingers crossed I manage more than a few weeks without destroying the engine this time around. :laugh:
First time out in the five on Sunday for a over a year:D managed 150 odd miles with no issues:agree:
This bottom end seems to be very healthy, makes 48psi oil pressure at 3k rpm and anything over 3k it's 50psi. New water pump definitely helps keep the temps a little lower. And the timing cover bodge is holding up just fine.
I did 5 or 6 7k rpm runs at 20psi with the fueling at mid 11's all the way round :agree:
I also sprayed and fitted my o.e grill. Makes such a difference to how the car looks.
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10870
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10871
Next stop the Retro show at pod. All I need to do is get it running 24psi and fine some childcare for the weekend. Fingers crossed with 24lb it should drop into the 12's:agree:
Markey Mark (BD)
25-05-2015, 13:29
At 24psi you should be in the 12's with good tyres mate, you aiming for high or low 12's?
Nice to see its back up and running :agree:
Just a 12:laugh: It's been long enough since I set the goal.....:sad2:
It's a standard comp motor, first time I have ever ran one. I did a few tickles of the throttle at 22lb and it felt quick. Hard to tell as it's been so long since I have driven it. I have know quite a few o.e c/r c1j's have done 230hp at 22lb with a 285. So fingers crossed.
Just a 12:laugh: It's been long enough since I set the goal.....:sad2:
It's a standard comp motor, first time I have ever ran one. I did a few tickles of the throttle at 22lb and it felt quick. Hard to tell as it's been so long since I have driven it. I have know quite a few o.e c/r c1j's have done 230hp at 22lb with a 285. So fingers crossed.
last best try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbiVuZcp-rw
Was funny when the bloke in the s3 did a double take when I started pulling away :laugh:
My terminal speed dropped for some reason at pod that year, the year before it was 107mph o think I had a boost leak as I had just fitted the front mount. :disagree:
Went out last night for a bit of a boosting session. Put the old French slag through her paces. It appeared to take it all in it's stride. Had a few small issues with the king lead coming off, and also the rad came out of its mountings at the bottom. To many full throttle launches:devil:
Went to see a pal who has just purchased a new Golf R. Had a good old play and was surprised it was pretty level pegging between that and the raider ;) did a fair few fourth gear pulls at 20lb and it was pretty much even stevens. He was also in fourth, I was pretty shocked to be honest how even both cars were:agree: I was expecting to be shown up:laugh:. Golf was better on the launch with the 4wd and stability control. The five just couldn't put the power down in first and second.
I had a blast in the golf also, some motor that is:cool:
So the raider must be making around 190/200 hp at 20lb as the R is 300hp but a bit of a lard arse:laugh:
B18ftMOJO5
26-05-2015, 22:22
Awsome been a passenger in a golf r they are immense.:) glad to hear your 5 is running well:agree:
Aren't they just, my mates is blue. Having said that he has already had to have a full new engine under warranty :dearme: Oil pump failed and took out the rod bearings and turbo:cry: That was after just 900 miles.
He is now wanting a remap to up the power a little :laugh: I let him have a go of the raider also, he loved it until it spat the king lead of at half way through 4th gear:laugh:
The first post in this thread was 02/06/2012. :eek:
So after finally deciding I was gonna head down to the retro show at pod this year and sorting childcare and what not. I was all set to set of at 9:30am Saturday morning from mine. It's a three hour plus journey from mine to pod. I was just heading past Keele services on the M6 when all of a sudden the engine died and wouldn't start with no spark. I also noticed that the fuel pump wasn't priming either. After a few phone calls and lots of arsing about on the hard shoulder I decided to ring the AA.:disagree:
When the bloke asked me if I wanted to go on to pod or head back home it took a couple of minuets to decide that pod was the target and at all costs I had to make it.
I arrived at pod around 7pm to a rapturous reception exactly as you should if arriving on the back of an AA van. Was a nice ice breaker and got everyone chatting. After half hour and some good old rtoc club spirit the raider fired into life. Turns out the issue was some crimp connectors installed by an auto electrician maybe 6/7 years ago when he was removing an immobiliser. Then after an evening full of Banta and laughs the morning arrived. I was up nice an early getting everything sorted. Even found the time to rob some of James's flash car shampoo and give it a wash. Got my wrist band, turned the suspension to stiff fitted the slicks and did a last minuit check over of everything.
Lined up for the first run and didn't launch it all that well. Always takes at least 1 run with drag slicks as the level of grip is huge. It dropped slightly out of spool in second and that run ended up being a 13.4 @104mph. That was with 22psi boost.
The afr's were 11.2 through first second and third then 11.4 in fourth over the line. So I was sure i had some room for some more boost. So I upped it to 24/25 lb for the next run. I had the steth on and was gonna watch the afr's carefully through the run. This time they were 11.6 through the low gears then in fourth they were 11.8/9 and just touched 12 as I went over the line. Think it was about 6.5/8k rpm
The launch on my second run was a million times better and it hooked up in second and propelled me down the strip in what felt like the quickest time i have done for sure. Then just as I was turning left to back and join the cue it started to run a little lumpy. Checked the rear view mirror and saw the tell tail white smoke from the exhaust. :sad:
At this point no one was about who had seen my run. So I opened the bonnet and was greeted with coolant everywhere and empty header tank. I was surprised at this as the afr's were only flat 12 for a second or so at the most. More decisions to be made. Seen as the head was going to have to come off anyway this was the first course of action. We also set about finding all the parts we needed to get it running so i could drive it home. It wasn't to be tho as it was a cracked liner on cylinder 2. Gutted.
Anyway onto what time it ran, I knew it felt quick but wasn't quite expecting a 12.7 @ 109.88 mph. Buzzing wasn't the word. Even if it was a bit soured by the fact I had just broke it again.
I will update the thread on the leader board when I get chance with all the details.
Here is a picture I took at 6:45pm in a deserted Santa Pod whilst I was waiting for the AA again.
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=1781&pictureid=10886
It's taken nearly 4 years and countless hours of work to get a 12, along with lots of help and advise from rtoc and from mates. I'm pleased with the fact it's done it but somehow can't rest untill it does it then drives home afterwards. So that's the next goal;)
Nad-5GTT
22-06-2015, 18:47
Good little read there. Not a bad goal either lol. I had a quick word with you whilst you was putting your wheels back on. I liked your remark of I got a 12 though when I grimaced at the fact you'd cracked a liner.
great to meet you phil your a true inspiration, well ya got ya 12 boyo, well done and a c1j too:agree::agree::agree:
awesome work buddy, hope then w@nkers didnt charge you the £500 they wanted:agree:
Great read mate, good to see you finally made it into the 12's.
Don't seem to be too lucky with the engines you put in though :(
Great read mate, good to see you finally made it into the 12's.
Don't seem to be too lucky with the engines you put in though :(
Phil you have as much luck as me :laugh: but well done for getting in the 12's, good to meet you aswell:agree:
B18ftMOJO5
22-06-2015, 22:19
Well done Phil top run for 12 seconds. I managed a 19, 18 and the last one was so bad i didnt bother checking :rolleyes: glad you got home finally lol. Look forward to the next part of the rebuild you are an inspiration to the rest of us.:agree:
LeeR5GTT
23-06-2015, 00:04
Good to meet you phil, well done mate :agree: shame about the liner but im sure it was worth it :D
An awesome result and don't forget this was only on his second run, if Phil had gone down a few more times then I'm sure that time would have been bettered - low/mid 12's maybe?
A shame about the liner but It'll fix. I wonder why it cracked Phil? If the AFR's were 'o.k.' and no debt? Old liner? Maybe some water got into the cylinder? Whats the next plans for Project 12?
Well done Phil, shame you couldn't fix it. I was impressed at how quick you took it apart to try and fix it. I was chatting to you about setting the clutch ratchet,
Thanks for your help, got it sorted.
Out of interest what does a standard R5 do the 1/4 mile in? Anyone know?
Out of interest what does a standard R5 do the 1/4 mile in? Anyone know?
its in the 15's i believe matey
B18ftMOJO5
23-06-2015, 09:10
Lol i did a 18 with lots of backfiring and hesitation in all gears. My target is 14seconds. I would be optimistic and say 12 like phil but man doesnt he just love to kill engines:rolleyes: he did offer to take mine down the quarter mile properly:D the car must have heard him and refused to start.:agree:lmao
Standard quarter mile is in the 15's i believe matey
I think the official figure is 16.1 Mick. It's definitely in the 16's, I know that much.
Top stuff Phil. :agree:
BRAVO:cooter::cool:
Saw this on FB, but great little right up on here Phil, again seen on FB your ill health, study, kids etc........so a MASSIVE:agree::agree::agree: for getting the 12 seconds and love the optimism for next year:agree::agree:
Despite the problems it good to see you finally cracking the 12's and as discussed a mid to low 12 is in there, if it all holds together. A shame we couldn't get a liner sorted so you could have convoyed back but you would have more that likely done it again as we attracted some attention including a gobsmacked 300bhp focus St owner :D
Unusual fault, pull it apart and try again :)
Cheers guys:agree: Whilst I was sat waiting for recovery at a deserted pod, I actually got a bit choked up, when I thought about how much time sweat blood and tears went into this.
I remember reading a quote a good few years ago now by Sir Winston Churchill
"success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm"
Got that right didn't he ;)
Here's a link of the run. Doesn't look very spectacular if I'm honest. :laugh:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn1k6p7pMTg
I have pm'd Mick with all the specs required for the leader board.
Pretty sure if it would have held together that time would have improved, my best 60ft with those slicks is 1.82 seconds. With the addition of a rev limiter driven full throttle launch I'm sure that would improve even more ;) The terminal was actually 109.88 so only a whisker off the fabled 110mph/230hp.
I'm gonna try and get back up and running by the end of the week. Have just ordered the bits I need. :agree: Seen as half of the job was done down at pod should only take me a few hrs.
Still not really sure why the liner failed, might get a few clues when I pull it out.
Overall I spent £15 quid on fuel for the whole weekend:laugh: The AA said how can it be broken again even tho it hasn't done any more miles that when we dropped you off on Saturday :ashamed: I said it's done two runs at just over half a mile. That's why:laugh:
great read phil did they charge the £500 in the end??
No, I rang customer services and gave them the hard word:dearme:
Joke, had that cover for nearly 7 years and had only used it once before this weekend:crap:
"success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm"
:agree::agree::agree::agree::agree::agree::agree:: agree::agree::agree:
Well chaps, after 11.5 years it's all over :cry: I have unfortunately ran into to fairly deep financial issues and was faced with no choice but to sell.
Sold the full lot for a very decent price (for the new owner) I wasn't interested in making money, I just unfortunately needed some quickly. All the spares will be going with it also.
New owner plans a resto on the bodywork change the cracked liner and enjoy the power. :agree:
It has sat outside untouched since July. I just don't have the income or indeed the spare time I used to have and I just couldn't look after it as it should be looked after.
Don't worry tho, I have a nice five year plan that involves getting my degree, earning some decent money, moving house (with a garage) culminating in purchasing another GTT. Might end up paying a bit more for one then ;)
This place has been a part of my daily life for the whole 11.5 years. Met some great people and made some awesome friends. So thankyou RTOC!
PEACE!
michael tierney
02-11-2015, 22:23
Best of luck Phil:):)
Ah gutted Phil :( Hope your plans work out.
Will you stick around and is the new owner here or 'there'?
B18ftMOJO5
03-11-2015, 10:06
Best of luck Phil :) your a great bloke glad i met you. :agree: i will still be picking you up for Alexs yearly go karting. ;) sent you a pm
I have directed the new owner to rtoc. I mean this thread alone makes it worth wile to pay his membership fee ;)
I will still be hanging around here and on the facebook group to help people out. Will help keep me upto speed for when l begin project 10 seconds ;)
On a side note I can't believe this thread has had over 7.5k views:eek:
Good luck in your studies mate :agree: and thanks for all your carb advice in the past, your experiences in this thread definetley helped me along and im sure many others.... glad you atleast achieved the elusive 12sec pass you were after
................I will be waiting (very) patiently for "project 10 seconds" to begin :coffee: :laugh:
chunk552
03-11-2015, 22:02
Shame you were pressured to sell Phil, I always enjoyed reading your thread and humour you put in to it, all the best with your future plans and hopefully see you back in the renault scene :agree: soooon :)
Sad to see you sell up mate. But needs must.
Just make sure you do buy another :agree:
I have directed the new owner to rtoc. I mean this thread alone makes it worth wile to pay his membership fee ;)
I will still be hanging around here and on the facebook group to help people out. Will help keep me upto speed for when l begin project 10 seconds ;)
On a side note I can't believe this thread has had over 7.5k views:eek:
Good lad Phil :agree: I hope this doesn't means you're disappearing from RTOC though?!
I think I might read through this whole thread again for old times sake :)
O.k. just read throgh the WHOLE thread (busy day in work :laugh:) a cracking read.
Best of luck for the future Phil and don't forget to post on RTOC :agree:
Cheers boys:)
I can tell I myself am going to enjoy looking back on this thread. I read it from start to finish the night before it went. I certainly took my time :laugh:
Quite fitting the last time I drove it was down the strip.
All I have left now is one chewed up piston as a little memento:smokin:
I will still hang around on here. GTT's are in my blood. Believe me as soon as I have the funds I will be on the look out for another for sure;)
ive always said that its in the blood phil, everyone at some point gets another 5, only neg matey there getting less and more money but im sure youll find something when funds permit, definitely a wealth of knowledge this thread:agree:
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