Grigio moon ph1 r5 progress thread..

[gardner51]

Thought it was about time I put a little progress thread of my r5, I have been into renaults since I started driving. Mostly clios though. But I now have a work van for week use so could now get myself a weekend toy :),

Here's my old clio..

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv31/gardner51/2012-03-16_20-13-11.jpg

Swapped it for this r5..

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv31/gardner51/IMG_5792.jpg

I didn't like the look of the front end or wheels but this could easily be sorted. It had a good wod of recipts and a nice engine spec and with a quick test drive I new it was the one :)

Quick spec list...

ported polished big valve head triple angle valve new valve seats shortened valve guides matched manifolds oil gallery mod,1.9mm head gasket set.uprated bolts.
piper 285 cam
Group a carb
Low compression pistons
New liners
All new bearings mains,big ends, thrust washers. New oil pump,balanced crank flywheel, new gaskets. ,group n clutch,

T28 roller bearing turbo.
Braided oil feed turbo.big turbo elbo k Tec 2.5 down pipe side exit system
Pro alloy grill mounted front mount
Full set blue samco.
Alloy header tank
Alloy swirl pot
Alloy breather swirl pot
Alloy breather tank
Alloy carb top
Alloy bleed valve

In car boost k Tec
Big brakes 285mm
Spax 40mm kit

So first of was new wheels as I really didn't like the ones on it. So purchased some William wheels cheap :)
Also I didn't like the side exit so got a rear exit,

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv31/gardner51/IMG_2442.jpg

Next was to get rid of the gt tuning bumper and fit a standard Ph2. Picked this up for a good price but did need abit of work

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv31/gardner51/IMAG0315.jpg

Came back from the body shop looking like New,

Off with the old.. on with the new...

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Next was to lower the front end as sits way to heigh for my liking. So apex -50 springs was orderd and fitted..

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Getting the car rolling roaded tomorrow to check the fueling and see what horses she kicking out,

Got a few more bits on order so will update soon.

Cheers Ellz

[Mr Raider]

Good work mate,change of wheels & bumper makes it look loads better!:):agree:

[TNT ANDY]

Looking much better with the standard bumper. love the ph1's

[gttjames]

Thats looking pretty good now mate. Much better since when you picked it up

[Jimmy5]

wow another phase 2 gt turbo, theres me thinking i was on my own! Paintwork looks mint mate!

[gardner51]

Cheers for the coments. As it hasn't got standard interior it will be getting stripped with buckets and harnesses, is a weekend toy after all :)

Ellz

[gardner51]

wow another phase 2 gt turbo, theres me thinking i was on my own! Paintwork looks mint mate!


You mean Ph1?

Yh paint is good. Had. Respray in 02, was originally white

Ellz

[Tony Walker]

You mean Ph1?


Ellz

:agree:

[Nad-5GTT]

Nice car matey, ye get her stripped out:agree: get some more pics of the progress

[Jimmy5]

You mean Ph1?

Yh paint is good. Had. Respray in 02, was originally white

Ellz

Yep should read the title lol, front bumper threw me!

[Trevhib]

Not much Ph1 left on the surface of it though, other than the rear arch mouldings.

A bit more faffing with the styling and it'll be a nice car anyhow :)

[gardner51]

Cheers. Yup still a few things to do. But looking a lot better then it did when I got it,

Ellz

[Mattw]

Looking good mate. 8 )

[gardner51]

Well went to tcs performance last week for some power runs AMD check fueling, best it made was a 190hp,

Fueling was lean tho so its back their now getting this sorted, I would like over 200hp,

Will report back once I kno how she gets on,

Ellz

[Coops]

190 aint shy though mate, but lean running is a no no if you want to keep your head gasket in one piece ;)

get the carb sorted and she'll fly :smokin:

[gardner51]

So its been over 3 weeks since I have updated this..... That's because I havnt had the car. It's been at a garage who is ment to be sorting out the fueling....

In the first week they found a blocked fuel filter, so put a new one on,

Following week they found something wrong with a needle in the carb. so changed that over also found a boost leak from where the choke had been removed..

This week their saying theirs a low down missfire and its.getting spark blow.. so new cap and leads on their way,

Now I'm getting really f'ed off with this company, I have read a lot on how easy it is to get them set up nearly rite. Drill out second stage ect,

I'm tempted to just go get the car back. Get myself a afr gauge and try myself or get someone of here to help me out n pay them...
Ellz

[gardner51]

Update time...

Finually got the car back, its now producing 192 Hp at 24psi, only couple more hp but I have gained 10hp in mid range,

Have also fitted some front fogs, buckets and harnesses. Will upload some new pics later on,


Ellz

[gardner51]

Here's a quick pic of front end with fogs fitted. Looks so much better

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv31/gardner51/IMG_20120815_141153.jpg

Ellz

[gardner51]

Havnt updated this in a while!

On the 22/9/2012 took the 5 out for a spin after fitting a new front mount,

Plodding along down a main road at about 40 and boom. Looked in the rear mirror to see nothing but white smoke!

Revs died and I just rolled to a local laybye. Instantly thought head gasket but the temp was fine! Had to get recoverd back to my garage and start investigating what happend...

Ill let pics do the talking.

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Ouch :(

So have been collecting parts since this happend and am almost their,

Atm it's still in peices, piston 1 is out ready for the replacement to go in.

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Just waiting for my turbo to come back and downpipe to be made then its systems go for the rebuild,

Elliott

[Logg]

Wow that's quite interesting head work you've had done would that be a three angle valve.

That's not good mate I dropped a valve two years ago as did Dan last year. It'll be worth taking the exhaust housing off the turbo to check you've not damaged the turbine wheel.

[gardner51]

Turbo has been sent of to get a smaller rear housing and looking over.

Ellz

[Logg]

Turbo has been sent of to get a smaller rear housing and looking over.

Ellz

That's good as I've seen some quite chewed up rear wheels after valves being dropped and one person has only just spotted it a year after it happening. :agree: good luck getting it all back together. :)

[gttjames]

Abit of a update for ellz-

The head that failed measured in at 73.2mm thick - so above the 73.0 limit for big boost people talk about. Im not totaly sure why it failed but ran sweet, was very quiete on idle, probably the quitest c1j iv heard. Was a shame as head has had alot of work, valve guides ground down flush, heavily ported, and was running different valves, ctm stamped on it so its had the work.
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sourced a 2nd hand head which measured in at 73.4mm - standard thickness i beleive? Has also had some head work - not as much as previous head but some nice port polishing
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Head was stripped, chemically cleaned and all valves cleaned and re lapped in - then re fitted with piper valve springs and some valve stem oil seals off a 16v vauxhall as told these are tighter and should not lift
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[Nottswoody]

Save the head I'm sure Sid is looking into machining metal gaskets :)

[gttjames]

Save the head I'm sure Sid is looking into machining metal gaskets :)
haha look at the pics above mate - it dropped a valve and smashed it into the head - heads well beyond repair unless your very keen and talented

[gardner51]

Cheers James,

The head is pritty gone I think mate. Valve got pushed up back into it and smashed it a little, plus wouldn't mind keeping it as a suveneir on the shelf lol,

Also been collecting a few bits ready for the rebuild.

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Elliot

[gardner51]

So yesterday me and James cracked on getting the engine back together.

Got most if it done. Just a few little bits left. (Fit downpipe to exhaust, fit rad and bleed coolant system)

Few pics of the day..

New turbo :)

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv31/gardner51/E9A82C70-7853-46C3-8774-67187B69E2BF-397-000000348231781E_zps70f975bb.jpg

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And on with a couple of the rebuild..

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Elliott

[gttjames]

got cold towards the end of the day though! While I was there I checked Elliott's carb - it had been to a mini tunning place for carb setup. Biggest drill bit I had was 1.5mm and it fit in the main, so suspect a 1.5/1.6mm main in there. Cant remember what ac was 1.1/1.2mm - probably standard. And you guessed it 2nd stage untouched. I drilled 2nd stage to 1.2mm and will be fitting a standard main and then checking it all on his new afr gauge and going from there

[tubbyG]

Making good progress, wont be long now. All the cold nights out tinkering will be well worth it :D

[gardner51]

Yup can't wait to get back boosting! It's been far to long!

And cheers for the pistons again!

[gardner51]

another step forward :)

got everything plumbed in and ready to start priming oil ect,

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv31/gardner51/915401FE-967F-4221-B8BD-A15A5C02B338-2848-000001514B43BA98_zps0911b7f0.jpg


removed king lead and cranked over, but noticed fuel pissing out the side of the carb, so thought must be the diaphragm split, so orderd a new carb gasket kit,

so I removed the fuel pump relay and continued to crank over trying to get oil to come out of the turbo oil feed,

tried this for a while but no joy,

didn't want to take sump back off to pack with Vaseline, as I had just siliconed it up and its abit anal to get off,

so tried over filling the oil and crank over but still nothing,

so drained excess oil back out and orderd a second hand dizzy drive to mod to spin oil pump.

parts arrived day after ordering ( Thanks Mike)

went back down garage to sort everything out, modified the dizzy so I can spin it with a drill, I had a spare distributor aswell so I used this to spin the drive...

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after 5 seconds I had oil coming through the turbo feed and also was getting good oil pressure, so put back the old dizzy drive and distributor.

next I took off the carb and set about replacing the diaphragm,

did this, put carb back on, re connected everything, cranked it over ready to start but again, fuel rushed out the side of the carb.

I then started getting annoyed, shut the garage door and went home,

after a few posts on facebook, I then realised what I had done.... fitted fuel line into acc pump outlet, haha!

so this morning went back to garage, moved fuel line to correct place, after a couple of attempts of starting, She Fired up!!

couldn't stop smiling haha!

(Video)

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv31/gardner51/th_AB5DEF2C-7D98-4625-A4E0-9E6F2CB198F9-2848-000001529D2F8D66_zps63df8223.jpg (http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv31/gardner51/AB5DEF2C-7D98-4625-A4E0-9E6F2CB198F9-2848-000001529D2F8D66_zps63df8223.mp4)

just a couple of things to sort out now,


then mot, tax and hopefully good weather!

[tubbyG]

looking sweet mate :niceone:

[Nad-5GTT]

Well done matey, I hope my oil comes out me turbo feed like yours has, I've had issues with my daily so not had chance to look at me 5:rolleyes:

[gardner51]

Have you got a modified dizzy? If not ill send you mine and just post it back when your done? Makes oil priming so much easier!

Ellz

[Trevhib]

She sounds well :)

Looks like you got an OE grille? Get some pics up when you're all done :agree:

[Nad-5GTT]

Have you got a modified dizzy? If not ill send you mine and just post it back when your done? Makes oil priming so much easier!

Ellz

That's a kind offer :agree: I've packed mine with Vaseline so hopefully this should do the job, but if it doesn't I'll be pm you :)

[gardner51]

She sounds well :)

Looks like you got an OE grille? Get some pics up when you're all done :agree:


shell sound better once the blow gets sorted between the downpipe and crossover pipe!

yep got a oe grill to go on,

just keep running into more problems!!

when I go to start it, the starter motor just clicks.. even with a jump from my van, if I then turn engine over by hand a 1/4 of a turn then try n start, it then trys to turn over a little but gives up, as if the starter hasn't got enough juice?

took starter motor off and tried it on the floor, it does come out and spin but is noisy,

so will be getting a new starter and new battery!

Has anyone else who is running a lightened flywheel have similar problems?

was speaking to mr smith (cant remember his username) he seems to think it could be because the flywheel has been shaven a little, bringing the flywheel closer to the starter, then not allowing the starter wheel to come all the way out?

Ellz

[fossie]

Got a brand new high output starter here if you need one buddy

[gardner51]

how much? and where did you buy it from?

[*MrB*]

Great project thread :agree:

[Gtturbo]

Great project buddy.

Just needs a standard front grill and job done :)

[gardner51]

Cheers.

Have a standard ph2 grill to go on when she's road ready :)

[m5tt]

Ellz I didn't know you knew Alex that works down at mark fish.

[gardner51]

Yep.... Known him for a while mate. Havnt seen him ina while though! Need the motor back on the road and ill go see him.


You know him then?

[m5tt]

Yes a very long time mate , next time ya speak to him just mention r5 Matty from harlow !. Small world!. You going to the curry nite?.

[m5tt]

Yes a very long time mate , next time ya speak to him just mention r5 Matty from harlow !. Small world!. You going to the curry nite?.

[gardner51]

Will do!

Yes mate I think I will go to that. My mate James from Cambridge will be going to so will be with him,

[gardner51]

Update

So all up and running but no brake pedal,

Found one of the pipes split from the master cylinder to the rear brake valve.

Replaced both pipes as thought might aswell?

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After this and bleeding the old fashion way pedal was still the same!

So decided to buy my self an eezibleed kit.

And as if buy magic I had a brake pedal again!

Car is now booked in for a mot next sat. Then she'll be getting taxed. Then the running in begins!

Elliott

[gttjames]

yes lad well done - caliper do the job??

get her run in a few miles and we'l start setting it up

[gardner51]

yes lad well done - caliper do the job??

get her run in a few miles and we'l start setting it up


Yes mate. Just needed a good bleed mate.

Yes will get it set up asap. But it's still got to go mate.

Just seen your project update. Looking good man! Need to hurry up though if you want a 5 boosting day!

[gardner51]

little update,

basically was having problems with it starting when hot, bought a new high out put starter, new battery, still the same,

suddenly dawned on me that when me and james rebuilt the engine, I for some reason used the old conrod cap! instead of the matching one,

so Friday I pulled it down ready to swap the cap over, as had a mot booked in for today (sat)

put the new cap on, cleaned the sump when I noticed a crank in the sump!

luckily james had a spare sump, so shot over their Friday night and collected it.

this morning (sat) I started nice and early finishing of the sump ect,

the oil needed priming so I did the old "spin it with a drill" trick,

I must have put the dizzy drive a tooth out when refiting as after this I couldn't get the car to start!

I spent 2-3 hours trying to sort this, even went back and started fresh putting engine at tdc, putting dizzy drive on at the correct postion, still nothing...

then spoke to gtjosh I think his user name one here! top lad!

previsely my dizzy must have been 180 out and my leeds where swapped round to suit,

so when I then put it back to how it was ment to be, my leeds where now 180 out, but I didn't no this lol!!

So missed my m.o.t today :( but booked in for next sat

a few pics of the old girl...

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[Nad-5GTT]

She's looking lovely, and you want to sell because..............

[gardner51]

I no lol! Looking at it today I wanna keep it now haha!!


But I'm needing a more every day car now.


Elliott

[gardner51]

Passed its mot and now has tax,

I had a buyer lined up but I pulled out last minute :crap: all the effort I put in to build it back up and I couldn't just let it go,

so have done a nice amount of miles with only one problem the idle jet getting blocked,

decided to turn boost up but was shocked to find that was leaning out at 14psi!!

I have checked my carb and its currently at 1.3 second stage, standard main, 1mm a.c, I have got a .9 to put in but im sure this isn't my problem causing it to lean out,

looked under the car at the pump and noticed their was no fuel filter :sad2: so have ordered a new one, also ordered a new fuel pump which I no will be more then enough for 20 psi. after I have fitted these I will check fuel pressure at the carb, hopefully this will make it run abit richer so I can wind the boost up!

will report results when all fitted

Elliott

[chris]

I think the sale falling through is a sign mate keep you have done so much work to it i would enjoy it for a while first i think it looks great

[gardner51]

I pulled out of the sale mate, he still wants it lol.

but yeh that's what I thought, I havnt actually got to enjoy it yet, hopefully soon though!

[Trevhib]

I pulled out of selling a mint GTT that I loved at the last minute many years ago. The guilt I felt having broken an agreement that I'd made with the buyer was palpable. The guy was gutted. Shan't be doing that again.