T-Cup becomes the ST-Cup! [Archive]

Big Steve - Raider

22-05-2012, 19:20

I've had this itch for a while, but last weekend it finally got scratched! I'm now the owner of one of the RTOC's most (in-)famous Cup Car's - T-Cup!

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/34-1.jpg

I think this is a better photo :wasntme:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/5.jpg

What with the Engine from Mart's old Trusty and the many Track Days it has attended with Bill, Mart & Col (The Master) it's dam near a piece of RTOC folklore!! :laugh:

I would like to say a big thanks to the new Bill J/Billy Pallets etc ;) for agreeing to part with it. I promise I will take good care of it & know it's tough for you to be without a Renault 5 GTT parked outside your house for the first time in 12 years!!

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/111.jpg

I would like to thank Pigsnake (aka Luke) for letting me borrow his trailer to collect it from Pallets towers :niceone:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/99.jpg

So this is how it stands at the moment:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/105-1.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/100-1.jpg

Kinda reminds me of this:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Raider/Rebuild1.jpg

Kris M

22-05-2012, 19:26

Glad to see the old girl going again Steve, will be great to see afew more coupes this year :agree::)

jesus in the seat of a 5

22-05-2012, 19:28

you need to sticker the ole girl up properly....;), good going steve...damn palllets youll regret that one...:laugh:, ahh well tis in good hands and no doubt going to be used..;), keep us updated...:cool:

Big Steve - Raider

22-05-2012, 19:29

My plan is to get it roadworthy for the 2012 Renault Turbo Festival & give it some stick on the track, then after the Day I plan to try & register it as a road car to help with the further plans.

On a side note, I spoke with a nice person at Renault UK & they were able to tell me that the manufacturing date for this car was 10th November 1989 and it was delivered to the dealer on 27th November 1989! :smokin:

I then plan to give the car a bit of a refresh and am thinking one of the following, i'd be pleased to hear your comments and which one you prefer?? Whatever the colour scheme I will be putting the Original Decals back on also.

1)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/159.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/157.jpg

2)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/126.jpg

3)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/97.jpg

4)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/109.jpg

5)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/17.jpg

Ricardo

22-05-2012, 19:32

I'm liking number 1 :)

jesus in the seat of a 5

22-05-2012, 19:35

5, 4, then 1... me`s thinkin :)

Mart

22-05-2012, 19:38

Best of luck with the new project mate. It was/is a great track car, and that legend of an engine won't let you down :cry: :D

Number 1 gets my vote :agree:

bod 182

22-05-2012, 19:49

Nice one Steve im spraying mine at the moment same as picture 2 but with black to a german cup car spec:cool:National day should be fun this year seems to be cup revival

bod 182

22-05-2012, 19:54

Nice one Steve,mine will be the same as picture 2 when ive finished spraying it with black as well German cup car,National day should be fun this year a cup revival:cool:

bod 182

22-05-2012, 19:54

WHOOPS:laugh:

sieger

22-05-2012, 19:58

2.

:)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1732/dsc00025rp.jpg

Jonny5

22-05-2012, 20:08

Number 2 :agree:

LiamR

22-05-2012, 20:13

Ace car you have got yourself there :)

jesus in the seat of a 5

22-05-2012, 20:20

good luck with no2, youll need a phase 1 body kit an grille.....:laugh:....

James5

22-05-2012, 20:25

I like number 1 all stickered up:agree:

The new Bill J

22-05-2012, 20:35

you need to sticker the ole girl up properly....;),

Excuse me, oh Holy one?! Those decals are the correct ones, and the correct locations for the 1988/89 seasons, as stated by Renault. Unlike when you had a go at stickering one up, and put them all in the wrong places :cartman: :cooter:

Gutted to see the legend go after all these years. Some awesome times were had building/driving/enjoying that car with Mart, Col etc etc. I know it's gone to a good home though, and I wish you all the best with it Steve.

Oh, and thanks to you/Sarah for the Clio as well. I've been giving it a wee detail this arvo, with all 46 buckets ;)

It's not nice to be without a gtt in my possession after all these years. The 172 is trying it's hardest to make up for it though. I now see what the hype is about regarding the RS Clios - They are awesome little things! :cool:

jesus in the seat of a 5

22-05-2012, 20:55

[quote=The new Bill J;271594]Excuse me, oh Holy one?! Those decals are the correct ones, and the correct locations for the 1988/89 seasons, as stated by Renault. Unlike when you had a go at stickering one up, and put them all in the wrong places :cartman: :cooter:

:laugh:, handbag down girlfriend....:laugh:, i meant as in finish it off and steve had allready asked me.....:gagged: , ahh well least i "had a go"...:laugh:, ps that sun visor will look daft on a 172 so ill flog it for a grand on e bay as an original under the name of raidergt..:laugh:;)

The new Bill J

22-05-2012, 21:03

:laugh:, handbag down girlfriend....:laugh:, i meant as in finish it off and steve had allready asked me.....:gagged: , ahh well least i "had a go"...:laugh:, ps that sun visor will look daft on a 172 so ill flog it for a grand on e bay as an original under the name of raidergt..:laugh:;)

:laugh:

I think the sunvisor would look quite good on the Clio actually. Good idea about sticking it on Ebay though :D

bod 182

22-05-2012, 21:29

If thats the original car from that race year i wouldn,t change it just freshen up any dull paintwork etc:cool: OE all the way

Big Steve - Raider

22-05-2012, 21:52

If thats the original car from that race year i wouldn,t change it just freshen up any dull paintwork etc:cool: OE all the way

The paintwork's all over the place at the moment. Whatever I do I would want the Engine Bay & Interior to match the exterior.

Looks like a Polar Bear's @rse at the moment with the White outside & the Red inside.

Pigsnake

22-05-2012, 22:27

car Looks good steve:agree:.Looking forward to seeing it in the flesh.Its got to be colour scheme number 1 for me mate.:)

Sam Fish

22-05-2012, 22:38

Yeah, you don't need any stickers!
They ran with different ones all the time anyway, so '89 is different to '88.

Looks great!
If it was mine, and I wish it was, I would just keep the basic championship stickers and 'correct' trim for the year - so '89?
Yellow/white would look nice.
Then road register it!!!!

Big Steve - Raider

22-05-2012, 22:44

Phoenix Autosport

23-05-2012, 01:11

another great car in the making, you gonna do a complete strip down and refurb like you did on the raider ?

T.K

23-05-2012, 04:56

4!

Awesome news. Awesome car. I remember battling with it fondly waaay back. :agree:

Sam Fish

23-05-2012, 09:17

Sam, am I correct in thinking that the White/Yellow is the 89 season colours?

Not sure.
Who knows when that sticker was produced...? 89/90?
So it was supplied as a complete car in '89 from Renault? If they supplied it as a shell, it wouldn't have been stamped with a chassis number/identity.
The team/driver must have bought a brand new car to convert into a racer for the last season in 1990!
And they only used it for a year, otherwise it would have different stickers on for the non-Renault supported championship. I think it was sponsored by Harlow Group in '91 as Renault was supporting the new Clio cup.

How many miles does it have on the clock?

Sam Fish

23-05-2012, 09:20

Ps:
The stickers on the car look very original. I wouldn't touch them! Not many left with the original ones still on there!
Apart from maybe the yellow bits and PMT.

Brigsy

23-05-2012, 09:34

White with yellow kit gets my vote:agree:

As far as im aware the stickers fitted now are replica's sam. Did you ever find out the original colour scheme bill??

Big Steve - Raider

23-05-2012, 09:34

So it was supplied as a complete car in '89 from Renault? If they supplied it as a shell, it wouldn't have been stamped with a chassis number/identity.

How many miles does it have on the clock?

As Bill pointed out when I picked the car up, one distinguishing feature of this car was it's lack of ariel holes which makes me think it's a proper Coupe? It's also got the original un-cut door cards etc.

It's got about 2,164 miles on the clock & Bill told me a story about the speedo on this car being stuck at a certain mileage for a long time which may help some people remember the car??

I'm sure Billy will clarify these stories when he gets on here?

Big Steve - Raider

23-05-2012, 09:46

Ps:
The stickers on the car look very original. I wouldn't touch them! Not many left with the original ones still on there!
Apart from maybe the yellow bits and PMT.

The stickers are all old & manky & need a refresh think.

Duncan Grier

23-05-2012, 10:15

:agree: Fantastic little addition to the collection steve

DG

Sam Fish

23-05-2012, 11:01

Maybe they reshelled an original into a brand new car? If the chassis number says from Nov '89, the shell must have started life then. The other bits could have come from an original, or could have been bought from Renault - they all had part numbers.

OR.... you could still order a GT Turbo in 'coupe' spec from the factory in '89 and go racing in it? I don't see why not. Maybe not with all the cup bits on, but without sunroof/stereo etc, road registered.

DLampitt

23-05-2012, 11:05

If thats the original car from that race year i wouldn,t change it just freshen up any dull paintwork etc:cool: OE all the way

:agree: defo dont change the colour to what it never was get it looking exactly like it used too back then awesome car :)

THE MASTER

23-05-2012, 12:01

well done steve on your purchase or was it a swap ;)

as for the revamp ide go for the picky N°5 for a good reason. T~cup was originaly red and ive got a fealing that the one pictured in the picky is it's sister car or very close to it.:)

cant wait to see wot you do with it as long as you dont kill it's sprirt :D

matty j

23-05-2012, 14:26

2.

:)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1732/dsc00025rp.jpg
thats stunning!!!

The new Bill J

23-05-2012, 15:28

OR.... you could still order a GT Turbo in 'coupe' spec from the factory in '89 and go racing in it? I don't see why not. Maybe not with all the cup bits on, but without sunroof/stereo etc, road registered.

:agree:

From what Colin told me (testing my memory as well), all the Renault built coupe's were sold through Renault London, and they all came with chassis numbers (Like T-Cup). Radbourne Racing built their own cars from bare, brand new shells. They were then given Radbourne chassis numbers, like Kris M's and Jesus' (RAD 1, RAD 2 etc).

I remember Colin telling me that Renault London ordered 50 (spare) coupes, ready for the 1990 season, in anticipation of some of the teams wanting replacment cars if/when they smashed one of theirs up. However, being Renault 5 owners :D, they just bodged the cars back together, and off they went. Because of this, Renault London only sold 5 of that batch, the other 45 were converted back to road cars (but leaving the thicker torsion bars in place) and sold off to Joe Public. All the coupe parts were slung into a store room at Renault London, where Martin Sadler (Who drove the Renault London sponsored coupe - The car which Colin maintained) slowely helped himself :laugh:

Mart

23-05-2012, 17:25

Wonder if Sadler's got any Cup wheels going spare?

What d'you reckon Bill?

:coffee:

Big Steve - Raider

23-05-2012, 18:11

Wonder if Sadler's got any Cup wheels going spare?

:scratch::scratch::scratch: What would you do with them?

They wouldn't fit an Evo
You've not got a 5GTT
If you did get another you'd not track it??
Keep your money mate! ;)

Mart

23-05-2012, 18:14

You never know ;) Billy knows I'm only pulling his plonk anyway :)

The new Bill J

23-05-2012, 19:00

:rolleyes:

Phoenix Autosport

23-05-2012, 22:39

looking at the pics i would say option 2 & 3 would be a bit of a pain as you would need a good condition phase 1 kit unpainted which is going to be a nightmare to find and expensive to buy, option 1 looks the best as the white and yellow are the iconic colours for the turbo cup.
also the image used everywhere of the turbo cup car has a number 5 on it to match yours so a bit of continuity there :laugh:
cant wait to see this one, let me know if you need and bits flocked for it :agree:

rat1

24-05-2012, 19:28

i would go for no5 as it was originally red, but 1 looks good as well .but it has to be all stickered up or what's the point in having a cup car you might as well have got a nominal gtt .
or how about doing it in raider blue all stickered up

Big Steve - Raider

30-05-2012, 17:40

***UPDATE***

Found out some interesting information this week from a mixture of Renault and the DVLA. It would appear that the old T-Cup is known to the DVLA!! :cool:

I asked my man at Renault to see what information they have on the old girl and they gave me this:

VIN
VF1C4050501666185
Commercial make
RENAULT
Distributor brand
RENAULT
Designer brand
RENAULT
Manufacturer brand
RENAULT
Model designation
R5
Famille - Code Projet
X40
Code Modèle
C40
Body type
3-DOOR SALOON
Assembly factory name
FLINS
Identifier
064
Manufacturing date
10.11.1989
Commercial year
90
Version variant type
C40505
After-sales type
C405
Manufacturing number
F074010
Manufacturing year
1989
Engine type
C1J
Engine number
000SANS
Gearbox number
000SANS

EVENTS
Shipment
MADC Date
10.11.1989
Date of shipment to dealership
27.11.1989
Invoicing DC/DCZ
946
Network invoicing account number
000861
Invoicing country name
GREAT BRITAIN
Invoicing date
27.11.1989
Network invoice number
3312980
Delivery DC/DCZ
946
Delivery country name
GREAT BRITAIN
Date of delivery to customer
26.01.1990
Date of first registration
26.01.1990
Vehicle registration date
26.01.1990
Vehicle registration number
See below!
Registration country code
GB

So T-Cup's official registration number is:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/Reg.jpg

With this information I looked on the DVLA's website to see what information they have on it and sure enough:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/DVLASearch.jpg

I phoned the DVLA up and they told me that all I need to do is fill in a V62 Document and send off the £25 and they will send me back a V5/Logbook!! :niceone:

WIN! :cool:

So now I will be able to road register the car and it gives me the ability to test it's running correctly before I take it to the Trackdays.

You can see the information from the DVLA confirms that it should be RED so I'm now swaying back towards a full on replica of Martin Sadler's car shown in Picture number 5?? :scratch:

bod 182

30-05-2012, 18:03

WOW good man thats a touch,are taking as it is to National day?lunchtime you know what a possibility still ;);)

THE MASTER

31-05-2012, 10:55

fantastic Steve good bit of finding out there :).... i told ya it was orginaly red :coffee:

now your next quest is to find out it's racing history and find out who it was that drove it in the cup series. and who drove it after :cool:

you can borrow my coupe pickys :smokin:

THE MASTER

31-05-2012, 11:03

Wonder if Sadler's got any Cup wheels going spare?

What d'you reckon Bill?

:coffee:

Mart, as far as i know all the parts got sold on .. think it was somone like mark fish or radbourne.

Tony Walker

31-05-2012, 20:29

The new Bill J

01-06-2012, 13:30

IMO... keep it as it is. every stickers there for a reason and gives the car its history? New different stickers as much as they would look ace wouldnt show you the life its had.(i know pictures allways look better than in person) The cars meant to be tracked not show and shiny. i say go and rub up against a few other cup cars and make it more authentic :D

They're not the original decals. They are the decals that the cars had to wear in the Championship, but they're replicas that I had done about six/seven years ago. When Mart and me originally got the car it was all white, with the yellow checkers, and blue MOTORSPORT stickers down the sides :crap:

The car's not even the original colour. As already said, it's original colour is red. I think it's also been blue before it was white.

Big Steve - Raider

29-06-2012, 23:15

Quick update on the V5/Logbook situation.

Had a letter from the DVLA today telling me that they are processing my request and I should get the new Logbook late July! :niceone:

westy94

30-06-2012, 00:03

Brilliant steve what a great read.:coffee:

Mart

30-06-2012, 08:10

Quick update on the V5/Logbook situation.

Had a letter from the DVLA today telling me that they are processing my request and I should get the new Logbook late July! :niceone:

Full of win that :agree: :cool:

Mattv6

30-06-2012, 08:22

:agree:

Kris M

30-06-2012, 13:55

Two road legal coupes in the club now ! Will have to both go gfor a drive Steve..should get some attention ! :D:)

The new Bill J

30-06-2012, 14:09

Awesome stuff. I would have loved to drive that on the road :D

Trevhib

01-07-2012, 10:31

Great thread.

Picture 2 for me. Especially since it will be road-legal.

Will be interesting to know if you can find any of the original red colour when it's all stripped down :D

bod 182

01-07-2012, 10:49

Awesome stuff. I would have loved to drive that on the road :D
Out of interest whats the mileage on the car?mines 53,000km think thats 30,000 miles give or take?

The new Bill J

01-07-2012, 11:48

Will be interesting to know if you can find any of the original red colour when it's all stripped down :D

The inside of the car/engine bay is covered in it! :D

The new Bill J

01-07-2012, 11:49

Out of interest whats the mileage on the car?mines 53,000km think thats 30,000 miles give or take?

When I first got the car back in 2005, it had 44 miles on the clock. Now it's up to about 2100. I'm sure it's genuine.....

bod 182

01-07-2012, 11:57

When I first got the car back in 2005, it had 44 miles on the clock. Now it's up to about 2100. I'm sure it's genuine.....
short race tracks:cool:

Trevhib

01-07-2012, 13:04

The inside of the car/engine bay is covered in it! :D

Oh, big mystery then :laugh:

bod 182

01-07-2012, 13:57

Hopefully there will be 6 cup cars at National day?

Big Steve - Raider

01-07-2012, 17:58

The inside of the car/engine bay is covered in it! :D

The Engine bay is covered in it alright... Oil that is! :laugh: I've been out with it today & it offends my OE eyes!! :crap:

It's coming along nicely though & I'm hoping I can get everything done in-time for the 2012 Festival!! :D

Thinking I may have to host a PMT finishing the car weekender!? ;)

westy94

01-07-2012, 18:05

any more pics??

The new Bill J

01-07-2012, 18:25

The Engine bay is covered in it alright... Oil that is! :laugh: I've been out with it today & it offends my OE eyes!! :crap:

It's coming along nicely though & I'm hoping I can get everything done in-time for the 2012 Festival!! :D

Thinking I may have to host a PMT finishing the car weekender!? ;)

That's not oil as such, it's rust protection ;)

Glad to hear you're doing well with it. I still miss it, but I'm still loving the Clio. That's had a small fortune chucked at it now. I can't believe how cheap parts are for it, so I can't stop buying things :D

A weekender sounds like a good idea. Get a curry sorted as well - Like the good old days :cool:

Shame I won't be there to see/steal it at Blyton :cry:

Big Steve - Raider

01-07-2012, 18:56

any more pics??

Good point Westy! ;) Time for a little update me thinks!!

So you all know that I got the car back home after picking it up from Billiam & safely tucked away in my garage. Since then I am trying to work through a number of things to get it ready for the 2012 Festival on 28th July.... (running out of time!?)

Got it in the garage & have raised it up nice & high on Axle Stands

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2862.jpg

Whipped the Bonnet & Bumper off to get access to the Engine

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2872.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2860.jpg

Have noticed that I seem to have a bit of a leak from the Oil Cooler lines... guessing this might be one of the sources of the "Rust Prevention" bill suggests! :laugh:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2869.jpg

Have taken the front calipers off and passed them onto a club member for the full refurb & refresh

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2866.jpg

Am working through the engine bay & getting rid of any parts that are not needed and recitfying any "quick fixes" previously done.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2879.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2885.jpg

Fitted a new Master Cylinder today & gave that area of the engine bay a clean up

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2891.jpg

Still need to:

Fit refurbished calipers, New Brake Fluid Front Brake Disks, New Ferodo DS2500 Pads all round
Source & fit new Radiator
Either fit new Oil Cooler Lines and Thermostatic Oil Cooler plate to existing oil cooler set-up, or just go for the quick fix for National Day of getting some OE Oil Cooler lines & fit them to the new radiator option.
Get the 11 Turbo Gearbox refurbished & fitted.
:sad::sad::sad:

Big Steve - Raider

01-07-2012, 18:59

That's not oil as such, it's rust protection ;)

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Yeah it's pretty rust free in there alright!! :rolleyes::laugh:

Pleased you're still getting on OK with the 172!! What have you done then??

westy94

01-07-2012, 19:18

Looks like a fun project steve, you decided what colour you going for eventually? i like the red version stickered up.

bod 182

01-07-2012, 19:19

Steve looks like your burning the midnight oil like myself getting the cup cars to Blyton,you need a uncut cup boost hose in your life for your cup car;)

The new Bill J

01-07-2012, 19:20

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Yeah it's pretty rust free in there alright!! :rolleyes::laugh:

Pleased you're still getting on OK with the 172!! What have you done then??

Without wishing to hi-jack your thread too much :ashamed:, just some 'normal' bits and bobs: It's had a full service, and wheel bearings all round, rear brakes, handbrake cables, throttle cable, and some more that I can't remember. That fuel inlet pipe that was cable-tied to the fuel rail has been replaced, as it split :scared:. I've also found a steering wheel that's a lot less melted :cool:. I still need to get the wheels re-furbed at some point.

What was up with that rad' that I gave you? That hasn't done many miles, so it should be tip-top. Do you know if it's just the oil line that's split? If so, you can buy it by the metre.

Big Steve - Raider

01-07-2012, 19:27

What was up with that rad' that I gave you? That hasn't done many miles, so it should be tip-top. Do you know if it's just the oil line that's split? If so, you can buy it by the metre.

I thought that rad was the one you'd replaced with the copper core bad boy in there now?? If that one's ok then I'll lash that in!!! Thanks for the reminder :niceone:

Not sure if it's the oil line that's split or the hose tail joint :ashamed:

Big Steve - Raider

01-07-2012, 19:29

Steve looks like your burning the midnight oil like myself getting the cup cars to Blyton,you need a uncut cup boost hose in your life for your cup car;)

You got one then bad lad? :D

The new Bill J

01-07-2012, 19:32

I thought that rad was the one you'd replaced with the copper core bad boy in there now?? If that one's ok then I'll lash that in!!! Thanks for the reminder :niceone:

Not sure if it's the oil line that's split or the hose tail joint :ashamed:

No, the rad' I gave you came off the Ghost. It was only on there for a few k miles, and was perfectly ok :agree:. I would never replace an oe rad' for a copper one ;)

The one that's in there now (along with the oil cooler lines) came off of Trusty.

Big Steve - Raider

01-07-2012, 19:34

Looks like a fun project steve, you decided what colour you going for eventually? i like the red version stickered up.

I'm swinging back to the stickered up red one again now? As the car was originally red? I'll make my final decision after I get the new log book & hopefully see who the original owner was? Be nice to see if I can trace it back to its proper originality?

Big Steve - Raider

01-07-2012, 19:36

The one that's in there now (along with the oil cooler lines) came off of Trusty.

That'll explain the plastic hose tails, knowing the origins of that engine.....geezer ;) :laugh:

Mart

02-07-2012, 09:13

and recitfying any "quick fixes" previously done.

AKA ' Eugein'd '

Mart

02-07-2012, 09:15

That'll explain the plastic hose tails, knowing the origins of that engine.....geezer ;) :laugh:

That fuel inlet pipe that was cable-tied to the fuel rail has been replaced, as it split :scared:

Touché :coffee:

;)

THE MASTER

02-07-2012, 11:08

No, the rad' I gave you came off the Ghost. It was only on there for a few k miles, and was perfectly ok :agree:. I would never replace an oe rad' for a copper one ;)

The one that's in there now (along with the oil cooler lines) came off of Trusty.

think you will find thats my rad in there . i remember shooting home one day to get one as t cups rad gave in at a track day.. think it was hulavinton . :cooter:

The new Bill J

02-07-2012, 13:03

think you will find thats my rad in there . i remember shooting home one day to get one as t cups rad gave in at a track day.. think it was hulavinton . :cooter:

Really? I don't remember that :cry:

It won't have been T-Cup at Hullavington though - That was only ever used on proper tracks.

The new Bill J

02-07-2012, 13:04

AKA ' Eugein'd '

:laugh:

Thanks Eug

:cry:

Big Steve - Raider

02-07-2012, 13:56

Touché :coffee:

;)

:ashamed::laugh:

THE MASTER

02-07-2012, 14:27

THE MASTER

02-07-2012, 14:29

steve have a butchers at the o/s front engine mount .i seem to remember that the nut holdiong it down is not on propperly :laugh:

Big Steve - Raider

02-07-2012, 14:29

im sorta hopping that T cup gives trouble at N/D 2012 cos it gonna be a right ole giggle sorting it out getting it going again last one standing is gonna win .. T cup has neaver failed to finish a trackday no matter how it plays up ♥♥

:laugh: As long as you & your "mobile garage/Spare parts" green Master van are there Col i'm sure there's nothing that can't be fixed!! ;)

THE MASTER

02-07-2012, 14:38

:laugh: As long as you & your "mobile garage/Spare parts" green Master van are there Col i'm sure there's nothing that can't be fixed!! ;)

note my scorpion thread earlier :)the van is ready for track.. i might even take it out on track.. im taking tools and parts aswell ... so it's all go go go go go :burnrubber:

Big Steve - Raider

13-07-2012, 19:51

I recieved the Logbook for the Cup Car through the post today :cool2: which has meant I can now try to figure out the history of T-Cup! :uhhuh::uhhuh:

It just so happens that many years ago I bought a Championship Information pack from eBay from the 1990 series of the RENAULT 5 elf TURBO UK CUP... that's come in handy today!! ;)

So, it appears I'm the SECOND official owner of T-Cup according to the DVLA, the first was a guy called Stephen Jones from Bury. :smokin:

When I look at the Information Pack It tells me that the driver of car number 28 was a guy called STEVE JONES from (you've guessed it) BURY! :yeah::yeah::yeah:Apparently he was born in 1963 and he's a Salesman (How fitting really as we share the same first name and job!) :laugh:

On one of the pages in the pack, it tells me that the Championship Results after Round 1 at Thruxton are:
James Kaye
Dave Cox
Steve Waudby
Steve Jones
Mark Fish
Jim Edwards Snr
Mile Mills
Mickey Allen
Rowland Bratt
Jonathan Salem
So it appears the old girl was competitive!!!! :eek:

I'm now off to look at the DVD copy of the 1990 Series that Bill was kind enough to loan me to see if I can spot T-Cup in all her glory!!! :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

The new Bill J

13-07-2012, 19:59

So, it appears I'm only the SECOND owner of T-Cup, the first was a guy called Stephen Jones from Bury. :smokin:

My name's not Stephen Jones :scratch: :cooter:

I can't recall seeing that name off the top of my head. I hope it's on the dvd somewhere. Although part of me hopes it isn't :cry:

Big Steve - Raider

13-07-2012, 20:14

My name's not Stephen Jones :scratch: :cooter:

Sorry Billy, I mean the second owner as far as the DVLA are concerned. :)

westy94

13-07-2012, 21:45

love this what a great story unfolding.:agree: brilliant:goodJob:

Adey aka Ewok

13-07-2012, 21:45

didnt i get under this car and bodge up the fuel pipe to get it on the track? that been sorted?

Big Steve - Raider

13-07-2012, 22:40

Thanks to the loan of the 1990 Series Cup Car DVD from Billy Pallets, I've watched it very closely tonight and have taken the following pictures on my TV (that explains the questionable quality) of Cup Car number 28 which is driven by Steve Jones.

The car he drove in the 1990 Series was White which matches T-Cup :D. But it seems bizarre that he ordered a Red car and then painted it white?? :scratch: Still anything's possible I guess??

At the beginning of the season the car looked like this with quite a subdued livery:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/1.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/2.jpg

When I bought the car from Billy, he told me that it looked like it had a little accident in the N/S Rear; as you can see where they hammered it out....... well on the video you can see the accident happen!!! :laugh: He got a punt in the rear N/S Qtr and got spun round! This certainly adds to the case for this being the same car!

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/3.jpg

As the season passed, the livery changed slightly but kept the same sponsors:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/6.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/13.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/7.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/8.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/12.jpg

During the last race of the season, Steve Jones actually had an In-Car video fitted to his car, and there is some nice video of him driving it!! :eek: :niceone:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/5-1.jpg

And there's also a quick picture of the car on the starting grid at one of the races:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/4.jpg

Turns out that Steve Jones was a bit of a wheelman, finishing in the top 5 of many of the races from the 1990 Series!! :niceone::niceone::niceone:

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: WOW, JLS Vehicle Security (http://www.jls-security.co.uk/index.htm) are still going strong! Can't find any record of Thermafab in the UK though? :scratch:

So it looks like i'll be sticking with the White paint job, but i'm tempted to paint the Interior and engine bay to match? :scratch: What do you think guys??

Big Steve - Raider

13-07-2012, 22:44

didnt i get under this car and bodge up the fuel pipe to get it on the track? that been sorted?

:laugh: That's part of this weekends plan mate, crawl underneath & have a look at the state of the fuel system?

Thanks for the heads up though EWOK!! Do you remember where your bodge was?

Mart

13-07-2012, 22:44

Bad ass :cool: :)

Billy must be chuffed :laugh:

Adey aka Ewok

14-07-2012, 06:56

:laugh: That's part of this weekends plan mate, crawl underneath & have a look at the state of the fuel system?

Thanks for the heads up though EWOK!! Do you remember where your bodge was?

im sure it was the pipe from the pump to the fuel filter, random piece of pipe stretched to fit but it could be anywhere in that area :agree:

Jonny5

14-07-2012, 09:42

Thats brilliant! Some really interesting history there. I say paint it all white to match and try your best to sticker it up like the vid. :)

Brigsy

14-07-2012, 10:02

Awesome find Steve :agree: got to get it painted and stickers as original

Pigsnake

14-07-2012, 12:32

Yeah ,keep as close to original as can.good find.:):agree:

TNT Tricky Nicky

14-07-2012, 13:15

I can imagine the look on the guys face when you ask him to make up some stripey jls stickers to put on it :laugh:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXkiPkA3Q5jLfTr8U0bkNgJ4d1hNmgK TrWEjy_6o7IAl-sm39u

The new Bill J

14-07-2012, 14:18

Billy must be chuffed :laugh:

Too right - Awesome stuff Onion :cool:

It's a shame you can't see in the pics if it's red on the inside. I'd be tempted to keep it as it is (red inside, white outside). It might look a bit odd, but if that's how it originally ran, I say keep it that way :D

You've got to try and track down Mr Jones. The one way to find out if it's the same car is to ask him about the 44 miles on the clock ;)

Big Steve - Raider

18-07-2012, 22:03

Last weekend I finished off the overhaul of the brakes fitting newly overhauled calipers, new front disks and Ferodo DS2500 Pads all round:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2899.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2903.jpg

I also went through the fuelling system and removed a couple of things.... first I replaced the steel fuel filler neck with a nice Plastic Campus one. I reckon this steel fuel filler neck looks like the front section of an exhaust... :scratch:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2905.jpg

The inside of it was surprisingly clean actually:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2907.jpg

I also removed the fuel tank and washed it out.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2910.jpg

Again I found some interesting things in the fuel tank..... a handful of grass (not that sort of grass... I think!? :laugh::wasntme: ) and a fuel filler nozzle?! :scratch:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2908.jpg

Yep, i'm not kidding you! That black fuel filler nozzle was floating around in the tank?? Any of the PMT Trackday crew remember losing it one day :laugh:

So that leads me to, tonight:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2919.jpg

I'm so glad that the 2012 Festival isn't for a few weeks yet........ :scared: :eek::cry::crap: :laugh::laugh:

Hopefully I should be ready, just got to fit the 11 Turbo Gearbox and freshen a few things up?! :cool:

Brigsy

18-07-2012, 22:14

Marmoys coupe had that metal pipe too, rusty as inside blocking the fuel filter regularly!

Big Steve - Raider

18-07-2012, 22:19

Marmoys coupe had that metal pipe too, rusty as inside blocking the fuel filter regularly!

Wonder why they didn't use the Campus filler neck?? :scratch:

Hoolio

18-07-2012, 22:21

Callipers look good, done at Big Red?

westy94

18-07-2012, 22:30

Wonder why they didn't use the Campus filler neck?? :scratch:

So if took a knock during race wouldn't split guessing that filler would be made of quite thick steel!

Big Steve - Raider

18-07-2012, 22:32

So if took a knock during race wouldn't split guessing that filler would be made of quite thick steel!

There's a good argument! :niceone:

Big Steve - Raider

18-07-2012, 22:34

Callipers look good, done at Big Red?

No, a rather handy mate ;)

Hoolio

18-07-2012, 22:41

No, a rather handy mate ;)

Nice, you'll have to talk me through the process/paint/refurb parts etc.

Kris M

18-07-2012, 22:55

No, a rather handy mate ;)

:D

Kris M

18-07-2012, 22:56

Oh yeah, forgot to say, shes looking good Steve, good work :agree::agree:

Big Steve - Raider

23-07-2012, 06:38

What a F'ckin nightmare of a weekend trying to get the car all ready for next weekend's Festival: 9 hours Saturday & 11 hours Sunday :crap: :rolleyes:

Cleaned & degreased the engine & engine bay
Fitted 11 turbo gearbox
Dropped engine & gearbox back in
Fitted exhaust pipe bung
Swapped discs round (Thanks Mart ;))
Adjusted seat slightly

Car is effectively back together now but it's not quite running as sweet at it always was, (got some water round the dizzy & plugs etc) so need to fit new plugs & dizzy cap etc to make sure that's :cool: and also need to have another go at adjusting the new gear selector rod as I can't seem to get 5th gear or reverse properly :scratch:

Glad I'm going to be at Blyton early on Friday to give me chance to give it a run round, finalise a few things & bed the brakes in! :laugh:

Ricardo

23-07-2012, 07:36

Bed the brakes in, stick the front on axle stands, spin it up then lean on the brake pedal :D

Trevhib

23-07-2012, 19:42

On one of the pages in the pack, it tells me that the Championship Results after Round 1 at Thruxton are:
James Kaye
Dave Cox
Steve Waudby
Steve Jones
Mark Fish
Jim Edwards Snr
Mile Mills
Mickey Allen
Rowland Bratt
Jonathan Salem
So it appears the old girl was competitive!!!! :eek:

Rowland Bratt? Oh pull the other one. :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/images/2008/05/20/7_440x320.jpg

Big Steve - Raider

23-07-2012, 20:09

Rowland Bratt? Oh pull the other one. :rolleyes:

Heeeeeeeyyyyyyy Ratfans!!! Kevin... KEVIN?! :laugh: Well spotted Trev!

Only the members of a "certain age" will remember that reference!

Big Steve - Raider

23-07-2012, 20:15

You've got to try and track down Mr Jones. The one way to find out if it's the same car is to ask him about the 44 miles on the clock ;)

So have had a bit of a result on this Pallets!

I e-mailed JSW Car Care to see if they knew anything about Stephen Jones and to also see if they are the same JSW, and I had a reply from them tonight saying when they next see Steve they will mention it to him!!

Looks like we may be able to find out a bit more about the 1990 elf Turbo Cup and T-Cup?!

Wonder if he's still got the original race overall's he wants to sell?? :scratch:

Big Steve - Raider

23-07-2012, 21:27

I've uploaded one of the video's I took from the Telly showing the 1990 elf Turbo UK Cup race from Donnington Park and you can see Steve Jones driving car 28 together with some in car footage!

You can see Steve Jones having a bit of a ding dong with Mark Fish who he eventually passed and finished second!

ENJOY!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6fQVGWkAMk&feature=youtu.be) :D

bod 182

23-07-2012, 21:29

is your devil exhaust straight through no added silencer?

Big Steve - Raider

23-07-2012, 21:32

is your devil exhaust straight through no added silencer?

Yes, what does that mean? :scratch:

Big Steve - Raider

23-07-2012, 21:36

When I bought the car from Billy, he told me that it looked like it had a little accident in the N/S Rear; as you can see where they hammered it out....... well on the video you can see the accident happen!!! :laugh: He got a punt in the rear N/S Qtr and got spun round! This certainly adds to the case for this being the same car!

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/3.jpg

After I just uploaded the video in my previous post I noticed another clip showing some crashes from the race series and they show the crash I took a photo of above!

VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w0vK9A1Mo6g#t=96s)

bod 182

23-07-2012, 21:39

I mean Steve my cup came with two devil systems i have a OE one but sounds like a tank but i fitted the system that has a silencer fitted halfway down for trackdays etc

Big Steve - Raider

23-07-2012, 21:41

I mean Steve my cup came with two devil systems i have a OE one but sounds like a tank but i fitted the system that has a silencer fitted halfway down for trackdays etc

:laugh: Oh, I thought that was something to help me reference the history of the car? :scratch:

IE with the silencer it's an Original Cup Car etc??

I've put one of those jetex noise reduction pipe's in the exhaust for Blyton and it's made...... feck all difference!!! :laugh::crap:

bod 182

23-07-2012, 21:44

Demon tweeks cherry bomb silencer:D

Nottswoody

23-07-2012, 21:46

No wonder there's not many 5s left lol

Perhaps I shouldn't of watched this before bluton :eek:

Kris M

23-07-2012, 22:52

good work Steve, Dave Cox was the guy who drove my car back in the day..It was number 7 back then :)

Big Steve - Raider

24-07-2012, 05:15

good work Steve, Dave Cox was the guy who drove my car back in the day..It was number 7 back then :)

Dave Cox, the sweaty fox?? :laugh:

jesus in the seat of a 5

24-07-2012, 06:44

who is in the car @ 1.58?, sneaking in... :laugh:, looks like a radbourne car for sure, nice vid steve..must look more into the history of mine....when i get 5 mins...:rolleyes::laugh:

Sam Fish

24-07-2012, 06:57

I still need to upload all the R5 VHS's we have here. They could reveal some history! Could be something to keep busy over the winter....

Jonny5

24-07-2012, 09:24

No wonder there's not many 5s left lol

Perhaps I shouldn't of watched this before bluton :eek:

It was the late 80s/early 90s, they were still in production. If you bent one you just ordered a new car.
I think im right in saying a cup car could be ordered through select main dealers? Obviously for race use only :)

Mart

24-07-2012, 09:30

Heeeeeeeyyyyyyy Ratfans!!! Kevin... KEVIN?! :laugh: Well spotted Trev!

Only the members of a "certain age" will remember that reference!

Run V.T Errol

Big Steve - Raider

24-07-2012, 12:44

Run V.T Errol

:laugh::laugh::laugh: my youth is flooding back now!

The new Bill J

24-07-2012, 12:48

It was the late 80s/early 90s, they were still in production. If you bent one you just ordered a new car.

No you didn't - You just bashed it back into shape with a hammer :D

Cup cars all went through Renault London.

The new Bill J

24-07-2012, 12:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTOajyzvIjE

:laugh:

Pigsnake

24-07-2012, 13:46

:laugh: Oh, I thought that was something to help me reference the history of the car? :scratch:

IE with the silencer it's an Original Cup Car etc??

I've put one of those jetex noise reduction pipe's in the exhaust for Blyton and it's made...... feck all difference!!! :laugh::crap:

Fitted one of these to steve.dropped 2 decibels.:laugh: still loud tho.

Brigsy

24-07-2012, 13:50

I wont be fitting my insert then :laugh:

THE MASTER

24-07-2012, 15:13

stevey baby :eek:. is ST cup ready for Blyton for some thrashing:D

Big Steve - Raider

24-07-2012, 15:20

stevey baby :eek:. is ST cup ready for Blyton for some thrashing:D

I think its going to need the once over from The Master! ;)

Trevhib

24-07-2012, 16:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTOajyzvIjE

:laugh:

:D

THE MASTER

24-07-2012, 21:29

I think its going to need the once over from The Master! ;)

your wish is my command...:burnrubber::burnrubber::burnrubber::bur nrubber::burnrubber:

Big Steve - Raider

25-07-2012, 19:52

FOOOOOOOOK?! :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

The water gasket that blanks off the right hand side of the head near the turbo has just let go in a big way & I need a new one?! :mad:

Anyone got any ideas where I can get a new one tomorrow?! :scared:

Bigfoot

25-07-2012, 19:53

If you fancy coming down this way, I got one in the kit which is for Briggs if he dont mind, else might be able to get one ordered in from work if not.

Big Steve - Raider

25-07-2012, 19:57

If you fancy coming down this way, I got one in the kit which is for Briggs if he dont mind, else might be able to get one ordered in from work if not.

What set does it come in Dale?

That may well be an option?! ;)

Bigfoot

25-07-2012, 20:01

Got it in the corteco kit. Got 6 holes with one corner hole set inwards

Have to ask Briggs permission as technically it's his but if it gets another cup car there I dont mind loosing out of the sale I guess if he changes his mind and needs it, or will get a replacement in from work for him.

Big Steve - Raider

25-07-2012, 20:09

Might be onto a winner HERE (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/renault-5-gt-turbo-cylinder-head-end-plate-gasket-7700854647-/200795476673?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ec057d2c1) in Luton?

The new Bill J

25-07-2012, 20:17

Might be onto a winner HERE (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/renault-5-gt-turbo-cylinder-head-end-plate-gasket-7700854647-/200795476673?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ec057d2c1) in Luton?

Whatever you do Steve, DON'T physically go to that place! :scared:

Not unless you've got wads of cash with you. The place is a little treasure trove of Renault goodies! Eugein and I kept that place a bit under wraps, but we went up there a few times so he could get parts for his Gordini, and me for my gtt. He gets parts from old closed down Dealerships, and stock clear outs, and he has random parts for all sorts of old Renaults! He's open to a cheeky bit of haggling as well. The more you buy, the better the price ;)

Brigsy

25-07-2012, 20:28

Get that gasket off bigfoot steve:)

Big Steve - Raider

25-07-2012, 22:11

Whatever you do Steve, DON'T physically go to that place! :scared:

I'm going to be hot footing my way down there tomorrow! ;)

Kris M

25-07-2012, 22:17

if you get stuck mate ive got the correct thickness gasket paper at work. could make you one if you get really stuck

Big Steve - Raider

25-07-2012, 22:22

if you get stuck mate ive got the correct thickness gasket paper at work. could make you one if you get really stuck

Mate I feel like it's one step forwards, fifteen steps back at the moment :crap: I reckon i'll be bringing the cup to sit on the trailer as a showpiece at the moment :rolleyes:

But FFS bring some of that Gasket if you can, be prepared as Baden Powell said! :laugh:

Tony Walker

25-07-2012, 22:31

im sure there will be enough members there to help you push it round for the coupe lap :D

Kris M

25-07-2012, 23:04

im sure i pre made some blank gaskets last time il see what i can do tmrw mate. will call you during the day steve

Brigsy

25-07-2012, 23:25

Ive just re-read this, you dont need a gasket for the blanking plate? Why not just take it off and seal it up? Will be fine. Thixo or stikaflex, anything will do

Mart

26-07-2012, 07:28

:agree:

car.crash

26-07-2012, 08:32

Ive just re-read this, you dont need a gasket for the blanking plate? Why not just take it off and seal it up? Will be fine. Thixo or stikaflex, anything will do

:agree:

I've seen it on several heads. 10 min job.

Big Steve - Raider

26-07-2012, 23:31

Looks like the Cup car is ready for Blyton! :yeah:

One last job for tomorrow, anyone know the pressures Slick tyres should be inflated to?? :scratch:

car.crash

26-07-2012, 23:32

i used to run 30 psi cold without issues.

Big Steve - Raider

04-01-2013, 16:51

Thought it was time for me to update the progress on the ST-Cup. Couldn't believe i didn't update this thread since BEFORE Blyton in 2012?! :scratch: Where DOES the time go?!

Anyway following on from the previous posts, I was all ready for the RTOC 2012 Festival Blyton Park and on the Friday I loaded the car onto the trailer and set off to the petrol station to Filler'up!? It soon became evident that the F***ing bung in the petrol tank had split so fuel was gushing out! :crap:

I figured I couldn't do anything further with the car until I got to Blyton so I drove all the way up there with fuel spilling out of the tank. A lit match would have marked my journey there that day?! :laugh:

When I got to Blyton I set to work trying to fix it and had to end up removing the tank and lashing loads of various chemical metal/sealants etc all over it to get it to seal. It was a real job from hell :devil: and I would like to thank Tony Walker, Kris M and Nick Kettle for their help in sorting it that day! :niceone:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/FixUp.jpg

The next day I was ready for the Blyton Park Trackday and when I went out on the sighting lap i realised it was the first time i'd actually driven the car any further than up & down my drive?! :rolleyes:

The sighting laps proved to me that the work I had done on the brakes/cooling had been worthwhile so I immediately put the slicks on and got stuck into the day! It's fair to say that I soon got the hang of T-Cup and loved every minute

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/RTOC%20Fun%202/_MG_2720.jpg

I was really impressed by T-Cup on the track at Blyton, and had no complaints at how it either went or stopped for that matter!!

During the day at Blyton I gave T-Cup to the guys from M-Tech automotive and gave it a run on the rollers.

YOUTUBE LINKY (http://youtu.be/GLDxHeC9060)

It was at this point that I suspected the old engine out of Trusty might have seen better days as the peak power the car produced was 135.9HP at the flywheel (lets not get into that whole Rolling road figures debate :laugh:). I had a chat with Bill and he reckoned a few horses had bolted the stable the last time he drove it? :scratch:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/BlytonRRGraph.jpg
When I got the car home I checked to see what the compression was and was surprised to see a reading of 45 - 50 psi across all cylinders?? I first thought it was a monkey pressure tester so got a second hand Snap On one... sure enough that improved the situation a little but still only showed a max of 75 psi. So with that I decided to give the engine a well deserved rebuild!

Big Steve - Raider

04-01-2013, 16:51

So first thing was to whip the engine back out of T-Cup

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2919.jpg

And I then completely disassembled the engine to it's component parts.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2987.jpg

When I disassembled it though, it looked as though their had been something rattling around in the sump at one time that knocked 7 bells of sh1te out of the bottom of piston #1? :scratch:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_2984.jpg

I need to upload some pictures of the Con-Rod and bottom of the piston, in the picture above, you can see some scratches on the walls of the block, but the piston looked REALLY bad?! :(

I took the block to Surface Processing Limited (http://www.surfaceprocessing.co.uk/) in Birmingham to be chemically dipped and stripped of all the nasty paint & rust & it came back looking like new

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3021.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3024.jpg

I then got busy with the old engine enamel and gave it a few coats

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3025.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3026.jpg

I've then had the crankshaft re-ground, Knife edged, tuftrided, polished and then finally balanced ready to go back in

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3028.jpg

I had Nick Kettle and Kris M come over to see me for the weekend of the Southern Christmas Dooo in December, so I put them both to work helping me put it back together to stave off sitting in the pub ALL day! :laugh:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3029.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3031.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3033.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3034.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3036.jpg

I had the head re-skimmed, new valves fitted and then the exhaust ports matched to the manifold.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3038.jpg

I've now installed a Piper 270 cam (decided against the 285 because I'm not looking for big power, just more useability on track) and vernier pulley.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3037.jpg

Kris came over to see me again during Christmas (to drink us dry as he'd exhaused his family's supply of booze) :wasntme: and helped me fit the head on

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3042.jpg

Together with the bit of bling I just couldn't resist, a set of the Alloy roller bearing cam followers that were being discussed on here a couple of days ago (http://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=31393&highlight=roller). I'll let you know how they turn out?!

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3041.jpg

Don't worry, I know i've still got to put the pushrods in! :cooter:

So that brings you up to exactly where I am now! :) I've yet to get the cam timing sorted (was waiting for a DTI Gauge to arrive but Mart has lent me one so I can get cracking this weekend) so that's what i'll be doing this weekend!! :niceone:

Thanks for looking guys! :D

Penfold aka The Dealer

04-01-2013, 17:23

Looking good Steve, have to catch up soon :)

andybond

04-01-2013, 17:40

Will look forward to seeing the Tcup at Blyton again.

Without dramas this time ..

TNT ANDY

04-01-2013, 17:52

Looking Good Stevo:agree:

Nick k

04-01-2013, 18:04

Winter projects are a foot Mr steve!! ;)

clee

04-01-2013, 18:20

Good stuff Steve .Not sure about the Super Mario looks though .
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3033.jpg

THE MASTER

04-01-2013, 18:42

steve . why did you knife edge the crank ?????

think about it you have removed the counter balance from the crank that is about the same wieght as the piston assy
:cooter::homer:

i hope you have removed the same wiegth from the pistons and con rods

sorry i cant spell heavy

Nottswoody

04-01-2013, 19:51

2.

:)
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1732/dsc00025rp.jpg

Huba huba :)

jesus in the seat of a 5

04-01-2013, 20:01

Good stuff Steve .Not sure about the Super Mario looks though .
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/IMG_3033.jpg

I was thinking more like , "mutley...we must catch that pigeon"....:laugh:, good going guys , shes looking good, keep up the good work....:agree:

gtmatt

04-01-2013, 21:42

happy days mate good work lads

Ashy

05-01-2013, 10:01

When I first got ol'whitey running it ran spot on but due to a few smokey issues I did a comp test and got similar low results. I put it down to it being sitting for a long time and the rings either losing their spring or becoming seized into the pistons... I've never stripped it down to have a look.

Rebuild looks good, she should go well with the extra 40 - 50hp :agree:

Kris M

06-01-2013, 21:06

whos the dashing chap in the red hat ?? ;):D

Andy M

06-01-2013, 21:26

Loving the progress :agree:

Have you got to / addressed the infamous Tricky welded floor yet :D

Big Steve - Raider

06-01-2013, 21:48

whos the dashing chap in the red hat ?? ;):D

Looks stoned don't you think? :laugh:

Kris M

06-01-2013, 21:54

caught me off guard !

Big Steve - Raider

06-01-2013, 22:15

Loving the progress :agree:

Have you got to / addressed the infamous Tricky welded floor yet :D

:laugh: not done anything to the inside of the car yet! Got some ideas though ;)

Kris M

06-01-2013, 22:28

when we putting the engine back in then Steve?! ;):D

xenon

08-01-2013, 00:15

good evening steve.
from which comes these tumblers ???? :scratch:

bonsoir steve .
d’où vienne ces culbuteurs ????

http://i10.servimg.com/u/f10/15/85/07/68/bloc_g10.jpg

Kris M

08-01-2013, 10:14

Xenon. Look here.. http://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=31393&highlight=roller

Matt Cole

08-01-2013, 12:48

What are the rockers off? They look good.:agree:

James5

08-01-2013, 12:52

What are the rockers off? They look good.:agree:

Bloke on wastebook custom makes them think he has only made 2 sets so far, think he may look into pushrods aswell

xenon

09-01-2013, 10:50

Xenon. Look here.. http://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=31393&highlight=roller

thank you kris! ;)
but, I do not find answer ace my question :ashamed:

Sparkie

10-01-2013, 00:15

you need to join this facebook group:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/r5gttoc/

and look at this album:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=oa.10151049853279310&type=1 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=oa.10151049853279310&type=1)

Big Steve - Raider

07-07-2013, 17:01

Rolling Road Graph from 2012:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/BlytonRRGraph.jpg

Rolling road results from ND 2013 (will upload graph later) 98 BHP! :scratch::mad::brickwall:

Looks like my winter rebuild was a complete waste of money & something's obviously wrong somewhere to have lost almost 40bhp... :scratch:

:mad::mad::mad::mad::ashamed:

Penfold aka The Dealer

07-07-2013, 17:43

Did you forget to bolt the turbo back on Steve?

Not good tho, hopefully get it sorted and its something simple..

Mart

07-07-2013, 17:44

Did you forget to bolt the turbo back on Steve?

:laugh:

Ricardo

07-07-2013, 20:56

Ouch :ashamed: 98bhp

car.crash

07-07-2013, 20:58

98hp and you crashed :cooter:

Nottswoody

07-07-2013, 21:04

98hp and you crashed :cooter:

Last time I follow your timing thread :p

Slammed 66

07-07-2013, 21:32

It looked and sounded a lot more than that Steve. When it went up the ramp I made a guess of 170. Really shocked at that figure. Exhaust turbine isn't 'lunched' is it?

The new Bill J

07-07-2013, 21:50

My poor old car :cry:

It might be a good idea that it's not running 'full power' though. 98hp, slicks, and you still ran out of talent :p

rs250nut

07-07-2013, 22:20

Wow that's not good, boost leak? Exhaust blowing?

JRP

07-07-2013, 22:24

Please tell me the turbo Is ok

andybond

07-07-2013, 23:20

Dave Reed

07-07-2013, 23:23

I'd b making sure your getting full throttle

andybond

07-07-2013, 23:25

I'd b making sure your getting full throttle

My car was down 35bhp
Another megane that I thought would get 260 only ran 227
Steve was expecting at least 130 , and got 98.

Rule of 3 to prove something is wrong.

The dyno chap said the ambient temps and the amount of cars being dyno'd were not helping

Romil Davda

07-07-2013, 23:57

My car was down 35bhp
Another megane that I thought would get 260 only ran 227
Steve was expecting at least 130 , and got 98.

Rule of 3 to prove something is wrong.

The dyno chap said the ambient temps and the amount of cars being dyno'd were not helping

Oh good... Mine did 152.1 with r'888's on's. So thats uhmmm 200 by my calculation!?!?! :laugh:

Big Steve - Raider

07-07-2013, 23:59

Just uploaded the Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr01RYbwMdE) of me running out of talent on Saturday in ST-Cup at Blyton :rolleyes:

I blame Barlow, as you will hear!! :laugh::laugh:

andybond

08-07-2013, 13:01

Oh good... Mine did 152.1 with r'888's on's. So thats uhmmm 200 by my calculation!?!?! :laugh:

You keep smoking that stuff dude :smokin:

180 maybe ...

TopCat

27-08-2013, 19:44

Mad thread! Have you found out anymore history Steve? Did u ever get in touch with the original owner?

Guybrush

27-08-2013, 22:28

Great thread - only just seen this one. :)

Big Steve - Raider

28-08-2013, 10:25

Mad thread! Have you found out anymore history Steve? Did u ever get in touch with the original owner?

Funny this thread should just come back to the top of the pile now!? :) I've not managed to get in contact with Mr Steve Jones as yet, but "Thomson Detectives Incorporated" are certainly picking up a few more leads on him.... :laugh:

I recently won a piece of Cup Car Gold on eBay. The full 1987 and 1990 Press Packs from the elf Turbo UK Cup and in the 1987 pack was a picture of every driver who raced in the 1987 series.....

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/Cup1.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/BigSteveT/media/Cup%20Car/Cup1.jpg.html)

So there's my man, Mr Steve Jones bottom right next to Barrie Whizzo Williams!! In the pack was also his Biog and I know

In 1987 he was 23 (so he's 49/50 now)
He was a Self Employed Gents Clothing Retailer in Bury!
His racing background was the 5TS challenge, runner up 1985 and then winner in 1986, so he obviously had some pedigree!!
I've also scanned all the rest of the pictures of the drivers from the 1987 championship so you can have a look:

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/Cup2.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/BigSteveT/media/Cup%20Car/Cup2.jpg.html)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/Cup3.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/BigSteveT/media/Cup%20Car/Cup3.jpg.html)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/Cup4.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/BigSteveT/media/Cup%20Car/Cup4.jpg.html)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/Cup5.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/BigSteveT/media/Cup%20Car/Cup5.jpg.html)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn259/BigSteveT/Cup%20Car/Cup6.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/BigSteveT/media/Cup%20Car/Cup6.jpg.html)

There's certainly some boys there!! :laugh: