View Full Version : 445.2 bhp 1.4 c1j they said it could not be done
they said its was not possible :D:D:D:D:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW0ZMKhJagY
Well done mate, lets hope she does the biz on the strip now :agree:
TNT ANDY
30-04-2012, 22:10
Mere mortals - what do they know:confused:
Top top work
:smokin:
andybond
30-04-2012, 22:15
I take it that's it's all about those previous .2 bhp then Glenn? ;)
Well done that man :)
SirSamuelOfBuca
01-05-2012, 08:12
Mental how do you control it lol
That's crazy a well tunned gtt makes half the power you've got. :eek:
Well done on all your R&D to achieve this and well done to Scoff for having to balls to map at 42psi. :agree:
Have you used it on the road with a the gas yet? :D
ah this is nothing, ive heard about no end of baseball cap wearing chavs and there bothers with renault 5s with 'everything done to them' and there like faster than anything and around 1000bhp.. You need to catch up...
on a serious note well done ;)..
gttjames
01-05-2012, 11:25
top work, very impressive
Assuming that the car weighs about 850kg thats 523bhp/tonne!
That more than a bugatti veyron :eek: A legendary gtt :agree:
That's crazy a well tunned gtt makes half the power you've got. :eek:
Well done on all your R&D to achieve this and well done to Scoff for having to balls to map at 42psi. :agree:
Have you used it on the road with a the gas yet? :D
What do you think :). very funny carnt get it to go straight
SirSamuelOfBuca
01-05-2012, 13:41
We need in car and drive by videos on YouTube ASAP!!!!!
gttjames
01-05-2012, 21:08
what max bhp would it make without the gas?
what max bhp would it make without the gas?
Where at limit of injectors and map sensor but made 358bhp without gas
Tony Walker
01-05-2012, 21:15
what psi is that without gas?
what psi is that without gas?
39.8 psi pal and creeps to 41 on gas
Impressive stuff. Is it actually road legal? It must be outrageous to drive on the street with road tyres!
So..... Where do you go from here with it?
Impressive stuff. Is it actually road legal? It must be outrageous to drive on the street with road tyres!
So..... Where do you go from here with it?
yes its road legal its good fun on the road puts a smile on my face a trip to pod and see how it performs
really looking forward to seeing this in the tens this year :-)
:burnrubber::niceone: very impressive:agree:
I just can't imagine what it's like to drive on the road, mine has over 200 hp and thats mental enough, twice that power and then some must be insane:cool:
After we finished for the evening and before it went back on the trailer, glenn took me for a blast up and down the dual carriageway behind the unit. With no gas there is no grip in 3rd gear even, the tacho just sits at 8500rpm stuck to the limiter while your being dragged left and right as the diff struggles to find traction ! Propper madness, but good fun :cool:
Awesome achievement!! This makes me want to develop the engine in the van more!
Matt Cole
02-05-2012, 13:24
After we finished for the evening and before it went back on the trailer, glenn took me for a blast up and down the dual carriageway behind the unit. With no gas there is no grip in 3rd gear even, the tacho just sits at 8500rpm stuck to the limiter while your being dragged left and right as the diff struggles to find traction ! Propper madness, but good fun :cool:
Needs a prop and drive to the rear wheels!:D
Matt Cole
02-05-2012, 13:25
Awesome achievement!! This makes me want to develop the engine in the van more!
I would matey. Would keep the sprit of your van going!!!:agree:
Awesome achievement!! This makes me want to develop the engine in the van more!
i would pal its worth it i think :D:D:D:D:D
andybond
02-05-2012, 20:24
What power level is a LSD absolutely essential at ? I suspect there isnt much point getting past 250 with effectively supermarket trolley style power delivery
What power level is a LSD absolutely essential at ? I suspect there isnt much point getting past 250 with effectively supermarket trolley style power delivery
not really sure i have had a diff in for four years i would think over 250 as you said
jamie_clioGTT
02-05-2012, 21:02
what an achievment! well done to you both!
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
awesome !!! Well done dudes !
i would pal its worth it i think :D:D:D:D:D
:D
I run 300 in the clio with an open diff, 12.3s 1/4 and its surprisingly docile on the road.
not sure if the clio has a more capable chassis over the five, and extra weight helps too :)
I think i need to save some pennies up ;)
I run 300 in the clio with an open diff, 12.3s 1/4 and its surprisingly docile on the road.
not sure if the clio has a more capable chassis over the five, and extra weight helps too :)
i didn't even know your cars drives again, don't you have a project thread on here mate?
Well done! Remember a few years ago James willdays was the 5 to beat, would be well and truly battered now!!
i didn't even know your cars drives again, don't you have a project thread on here mate?
kinda of yeah, not really been keeping up with it as pretty much done nothing on it!lol!
it was 300 last season and blew it at donnington park, engines been in bits ever since!:disagree:
kinda of yeah, not really been keeping up with it as pretty much done nothing on it!lol!
it was 300 last season and blew it at donnington park, engines been in bits ever since!:disagree:
Mine lights up both wheels in 3 &4 might be 40psi boost in and 800 rpm time window from 10to 40 in less than 1/2 second
Tony Walker
03-05-2012, 20:25
I couldnt believe how quick it spooled on the vid. 1/2 second from 10to40psi????? thats epic.
I couldnt believe how quick it spooled on the vid. 1/2 second from 10to40psi????? thats epic.
Nitrous spools it almost instantly tony but even without gas it seems to get to a point and then boost comes round very quick. Not as laggy as I expected. I originally thought I was going to have to map it with a small shot of gas in order to get to full boost but it that wasn't the case :)
olidaviesuk
03-05-2012, 23:26
Are you using the standard rockers on it? Assumming peak power is 6-7k upwards with a turbo that big, interested to whether they need replacing or uprating?
Are you using the standard rockers on it? Assumming peak power is 6-7k upwards with a turbo that big, interested to whether they need replacing or uprating?
Rockers seem fine push rods are weak
The engine limits at 8500rpm oli, rockers seem good, I don't think I've ever seen a rocker fail ? Retainer caps are also a weak point, a few cracked and it was a miracle they didn't fall apart and drop a valve. One was so bad that it fell in half when tapped on the bench after being removed. His engine has titanium retainers this year.
Jimmy_GTT
04-05-2012, 17:59
And what cam are you using?
It should be at least some 300 cam otherwise it would be no use to rev the engine so much.
And what cam are you using?
It should be at least some 300 cam otherwise it would be no use to rev the engine so much.
its not a 300 its a one off cam that scoff had made many moons ago :D
well done ,soo soo good to see , that car sounds amazing
olidaviesuk
04-05-2012, 18:58
Nice to hear that about the rockers, had been looking at some custom billet roller ones, good to find that money is better spent elsewhere..... we went one piece valves, custom colletts and ti retainers a while back, had the same thing happen, probably more due to high rpm and fatigue than anything else. Never had the balls to take it past 7200k regularly for fear of the rockers letting go. Without giving away all the secrets assuming wire ringed liners and athena gasket? Hugely impressive build! especially since you've stuck with the C1J head rather than the 'Dini crossflow! Looking fwd to seeing the results at the strip! :D
The engine limits at 8500rpm oli, rockers seem good, I don't think I've ever seen a rocker fail ? Retainer caps are also a weak point, a few cracked and it was a miracle they didn't fall apart and drop a valve. One was so bad that it fell in half when tapped on the bench after being removed. His engine has titanium retainers this year.
Nice to hear that about the rockers, had been looking at some custom billet roller ones, good to find that money is better spent elsewhere..... we went one piece valves, custom colletts and ti retainers a while back, had the same thing happen, probably more due to high rpm and fatigue than anything else. Never had the balls to take it past 7200k regularly for fear of the rockers letting go. Without giving away all the secrets assuming wire ringed liners and athena gasket? Hugely impressive build! especially since you've stuck with the C1J head rather than the 'Dini crossflow! Looking fwd to seeing the results at the strip! :D
steel liners not wire rung mls head gasket yes thanks for comments
they said its was not possible :D:D:D:D:D
just like to point out that renault did make it possible.......wayback in 1987-1988 with the renault 5 turbo production racer using a direct fuel injected 1.4 pushrod,(gordini head) garrett t3/4 turbo, drysump system, chargecooler with water injection to propel the mid engined beast to 430 bhp with 44.8 psi of boost:D....... all through a twin plate / factory standard un1 type gearbox for compliance with the french production championship rules......... and all without nos;)
by all accounts it was quite a lag monster with little power delivery below 4000rpm and from there to 7500 it was ballistic:smokin: traction was a issue also, renault fitted 16"x8.25" rims with 24.5" wide rubber on the front and 17"x8.75 "rims with 27" wide rubber on the rears, and it was still an absolute pig to control with large amounts of oversteer in corners:scared::cool::smokin:
so quite clearly it is possible:D,and with the advances in turbo design, and stand alone ecu technology, more so than back in the day;)
biggest hold back for most peeps would always be cost and long term reliability :)
but credit due you've achievied an epic result for the c1j for sure :agree:
well done Glen:cool::goodJob:
TNT ANDY
05-05-2012, 12:02
Wonder how he's getting on?
Good luck fella - be the 1st
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
Awesome work :D
TNT ANDY
05-05-2012, 12:08
they said its was not possible :D:D:D:D:D
just like to point out that renault did make it possible.......wayback in 1987-1988 with the renault 5 turbo production racer using a direct fuel injected 1.4 pushrod,(gordini head) garrett t3/4 turbo, drysump system, chargecooler with water injection to propel the mid engined beast to 430 bhp with 44.8 psi of boost:D....... all through a twin plate / factory standard un1 type gearbox for compliance with the french production championship rules......... and all without nos;)
by all accounts it was quite a lag monster with little power delivery below 4000rpm and from there to 7500 it was ballistic:smokin: traction was a issue also, renault fitted 16"x8.25" rims with 24.5" wide rubber on the front and 17"x8.75 "rims with 27" wide rubber on the rears, and it was still an absolute pig to control with large amounts of oversteer in corners:scared::cool::smokin:
so quite clearly it is possible:D,and with the advances in turbo design, and stand alone ecu technology, more so than back in the day;)
biggest hold back for most peeps would always be cost and long term reliability :)
but credit due you've achievied an epic result for the c1j for sure :agree:
well done Glen:cool::goodJob:
Any that was a multi-national corporation throwing most probably 100,000's possibly millions at it. I go with the little guys every time. Truly amazing!
Any that was a multi-national corporation throwing most probably 100,000's possibly millions at it. I go with the little guys every time. Truly amazing!
yes ,but the fact remains what was used then, is accesable now and a lot cheaper ,ie better/ more effecient turbos, water injection ,fuel injection, stand alone ecu's, ( back then in 1987-1988 when stand alone technology ,etc would have cost the earth)
in a nut shell the engine upgrades needed to get these power ouputs and more are cheaper/ easier to get hold of today ;)
olidaviesuk
05-05-2012, 15:43
Bear in mind that was with the 'Dini head, Glens done it using the C1J head, which creates lots more difficulties in itself, quite a piece of engineering, whether done by a big manufacturer or joe blogs in his shed. High power output, small cc engines are nothing new have been about (or on the drawing boards) since the 70s - look at F1 - but they are small light units with very efficient VE's, small piston sizes (if you ignore the BMW F1 turbo) not a tractor engine from the 60s, keeping the inlet charge cool is a big enough job by itself..... Let alone keeping the head on the block running that kind of boost.
yes ,but the fact remains what was used then, is accesable now and a lot cheaper ,ie better/ more effecient turbos, water injection ,fuel injection, stand alone ecu's, ( back then in 1987-1988 when stand alone technology ,etc would have cost the earth)
in a nut shell the engine upgrades needed to get these power ouputs and more are cheaper/ easier to get hold of today ;)
Bear in mind that was with the 'Dini head, Glens done it using the C1J head, which creates lots more difficulties in itself, quite a piece of engineering, whether done by a big manufacturer or joe blogs in his shed. High power output, small cc engines are nothing new have been about (or on the drawing boards) since the 70s - look at F1 - but they are small light units with very efficient VE's, small piston sizes (if you ignore the BMW F1 turbo) not a tractor engine from the 60s, keeping the inlet charge cool is a big enough job by itself..... Let alone keeping the head on the block running that kind of boost.
:agree: what he said.;)
Santa pod tommorrow
Did you win?
Did you win?
Been checking this thread all day!!
allanr5gtt
05-05-2012, 22:26
Been checking this thread all day!!
and me :laugh:
I'm guessing since there's been no post about being in the 10's it's not gone to plan :/
shal we start speculating then?
Rain stops play?
Gearbox throws in the towel?
Skipped the 10's and went straight for a 9 second pass... Maybe they haven't updated cos they are too pissed to post!!
Rain or gearbox would be my bet
Again if it were in the 9's someone would've said something by now
The new Bill J
05-05-2012, 22:36
Maybe he's got his 10 second pass, and he's been on the phone to Roly at GT Tuning all day trying to get hold of an exclusive '13 second club' t-shirt :laugh:
Yes, rain unfortunately. Just got home. It was a wasted day sadly !!
olidaviesuk
05-05-2012, 22:54
Well at least they're fairly civilised with drag racing, on the circuits we just get told to get on with it..I expect Glenn's car would sit there spinning the wheels all day on a wet strip!!
Yes, rain unfortunately. Just got home. It was a wasted day sadly !!
they said its was not possible :D:D:D:D:D
just like to point out that renault did make it possible.......wayback in 1987-1988 with the renault 5 turbo production racer using a direct fuel injected 1.4 pushrod,(gordini head) garrett t3/4 turbo, drysump system, chargecooler with water injection to propel the mid engined beast to 430 bhp with 44.8 psi of boost:D....... all through a twin plate / factory standard un1 type gearbox for compliance with the french production championship rules......... and all without nos;)
by all accounts it was quite a lag monster with little power delivery below 4000rpm and from there to 7500 it was ballistic:smokin: traction was a issue also, renault fitted 16"x8.25" rims with 24.5" wide rubber on the front and 17"x8.75 "rims with 27" wide rubber on the rears, and it was still an absolute pig to control with large amounts of oversteer in corners:scared::cool::smokin:
so quite clearly it is possible:D,and with the advances in turbo design, and stand alone ecu technology, more so than back in the day;)
biggest hold back for most peeps would always be cost and long term reliability :)
but credit due you've achievied an epic result for the c1j for sure :agree:
well done Glen:cool::goodJob:
Yes but gordini head not c1j have you seen the size of the valves and cross flow not really what I was getting at my point was not possible with full c1j engine but thanks for the nice comments
Chuckle chuckle should of had bets on lol rain rain and more ****ing rain just got in at 1145 from 8 start this morning 1 Run all day spinning the wheel all the way felt good tho
Phoenix Autosport
06-05-2012, 00:05
epic work :niceone:, hope there are some youtube vids of todays runs down the pod coming
Yes but gordini head not c1j have you seen the size of the valves and cross flow
very true, the gordini head has huge valve and ports compared to the lowly GT Turbo head.
you've done really well mate. :agree:
very true, the gordini head has huge valve and ports compared to the lowly GT Turbo head.
you've done really well mate. :agree:
Thanks pal
Been at York today carnt get any grip spinning wheels in 3 and 4th :(
Markey Mark (BD)
06-05-2012, 18:46
Been at York today carnt get any grip spinning wheels in 3 and 4th :(
Even with those huge new tyres! :eek:;)
Mark the track temp will be to low for good times today and probably hard to get heat into the tyres.
Mark the track temp will be to low for good times today and probably hard to get heat into the tyres.
Am thinking the new tyres only like really hot sticky tracks. Need my old tyres they gripped better hopefully when a few more people in the uk get these new tyres might be able to work out best pressures etc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfU37WS5dsQ
wheel spinning all the way lol
Dave Reed
07-05-2012, 17:26
I didn't realise you'd gone to diesel power Glenn :D
Only kidding mate, good time considering it's the 1st run out :agree: hurry up and run a 10! You out next weekend?
I didn't realise you'd gone to diesel power Glenn :D
Only kidding mate, good time considering it's the 1st run out :agree: hurry up and run a 10! You out next weekend?
lol turbo has to much off angle on it and not returning oil fast enought and only got one run in all day and that was it
Markey Mark (BD)
07-05-2012, 18:29
More than welcome to use old wheels again for few runs mate if you think it'll help ;)
That engine sounds so throaty!! You wouldn't expect it to be a 1.4 under the bonnet from the sound of it
They run all day at the pod yesterday, typical.
Track seems alot better then saturday. we managed a 6.46 and 6.5.
Looks insane Glenn, great work.
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfU37WS5dsQ
wheel spinning all the way lol
Not bad first run .can't wait for good weather )" mate
They run all day at the pod yesterday, typical.
Track seems alot better then saturday. we managed a 6.46 and 6.5.
Looks insane Glenn, great work.
Just my luck pal wot was your traps on them runs I love the sound of that Plymouth
More than welcome to use old wheels again for few runs mate if you think it'll help ;)
That engine sounds so throaty!! You wouldn't expect it to be a 1.4 under the bonnet from the sound of it
Am going to nick scoffs and try for test and tune day end of may pal thanks
holy ****** :worship: this is absolutely one awesome motor!
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions Inc. All rights reserved.