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As promised here is my R9 project thread!
The car how I bought it in December 2010:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_1923.jpg
It was a non running 1.4, the heater matrix started leaking and the previous owner thought he would make it to the garage without coolant :P
No problem for me as this gave me the opportunity to buy it cheap. Heater matrix was replaced and when they tried to start the car it appeared the engine was gone.
I didn’t even knew what a Renault 9 was but after searching “Renault 1986” on Marktplaats.nl (marketplace.nl) it popped up 15km away from my house. Gave the man a call and eventually bought it for €400.
First thing I did was remove the 1,4 engine and after breaking the donor Willy the engine went into the 9 (don’t have pics of it. However you can imagine how it looks like in the bay of a 9).
Fitting the engine in to the bay was the easy part, the worst part was wiring it all up. Unfortunately the 9 doesn’t have 1 big connector but the diagnosis (oil press light, alternator light etc.) connector sits on the right side of the bay.
When finally I got everything wired up properly it was time to custom fit the shifter rod and the exhaust, this is how the exhaust looks:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_1921.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_1922.jpg
It didn’t take long before I started ‘pimping’ the car, so out came the coilies which were on the Willy and lowered the rear torsion bar too, I also took a small lip off the Sport alloys so they’d fit in the rear arches cause it was a bit tight!
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto1-2.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_1972.jpg
And this is how it looks:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto9.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto8.jpg
Took the bumpers and spoiler off and sprayed them matt black to make them look “as new” (could be done again by now) and fitted new chrome strips.
Imo the front was to high but I couldn’t wind down the coilies any further (bumpstop already hacksawed to 1cm and only have 1cm left to move).
after searching around the net I discovered Golf 1 topmounts would be the solution, I sawed a few centimeters off the top to clear the hood and also make them a bit weaker so they would flex when weight is on the wheels:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/e41ea1ed.jpg?t=1301161526
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/7429ad0c.jpg?t=1301236834
The front has been lowered by 4cm extra or so:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/0b1a6439.jpg?t=1301236866%20
The driveshafts now hit the beams however it’s a self clearing issue :P
And here is it next to my €300 winter 5:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/31d590ca.jpg?t=1302364796%20
And on the driveway:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_2075.jpg
Lowering it this much offcourse comes with risks which soon came true:
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_2102.jpg
Look at the crack on top off the thread! And the rest looks like this:
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_2226.jpg
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_2227.jpg
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_2230.jpg
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_2231.jpg
The rear was still a tad too high compared tot he front so pulled the torsion bar out again and lowered it by another 3cm (last time I measured it was more than 12cm more to the ground than factory specs):
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto-6.jpg
Got a bit bored by the Sport wheels so bought a brand new set of BBS LM replica’s, took them to the machinery to take 5mm off the inner lip and fitted 185/35/17 tyres:
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/velgbinnen.jpg
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/velg.jpg
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/auto2.jpg
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_2439.jpg
Looking at previous pics i don’t have to tell you it was a hell off a job to make it fit! Lots of hamering and angle grinding involved, and I still doesn’t fit actually :P (not to mention the front on full lock!).
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_2436.jpg
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_2435.jpg
Some fun down town:
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto1-4.jpg
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto-7.jpg
And it now looks like this, the APK (MOT) trim:
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto023.jpg
http://s1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto022.jpg
Am tired of typing now so will post an update soon!
Beast!! :agree: :agree:
Needs Boosting now ;)
you've hit the sweet spot right there mate!
first of all i have to say, i already have a fully forged F7R in the shed which is going to drive the Gtt, only thats taking a while so had to build something in the meantime!
that said this build had to be as low budget (but good) as possible. so not spending money on new stuff when it could be used easily....also the goal was to do as much as possible myself, it being the first engine i ever rebuilt.
i did replace bearings, rings, arp rod bolts etc. as i didn't want to budget out the wrong bits.
pics:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/Afbeelding001.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/Afbeelding002.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/Afbeelding003.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/Afbeelding004.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/Afbeelding005.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/Afbeelding006.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/Afbeelding007.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/Afbeelding009.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/Afbeelding010.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/Afbeelding012.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/Afbeelding013.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/turbo.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/motorblok021.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/motorblok018.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/motorblok022.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/motorblok013.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/9c0c0786.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/motorblok12004.jpg
and some pics of the engine in the 9, i first had to tidy up the bay a bit.
from:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto1-5.jpg
to:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/motorblok12006.jpg
chargecooler rad behind the grille:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/motorblok12002.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/motorblok12001.jpg
and engine in:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/motorblok12008.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/motorblok023.jpg
had some fun with the torsion bars out a while ago btw :P
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto016.jpg
Those pics really do look fantastic!! :):cool:
how do i edit the pics?
there's a little code in the link which at the small pics i forgot to remove, however when i click "edit" i see the whole pics and can't change the link.
am a bit tired of uploading pics now:D
love this car, refreshing change to see somthing like this, are you going to attend the renault , frog of the pod, and national day this year?
No sorry, i hope i have it running save and sound soon so i can come to FCS which is already planned. Will be at a French meet in Septembre which you guys should go to too!
I love this motor :pimp::pimp:
Keep the updates coming please fella :agree::agree:
Hey tuur ,
welcome @ rtoc.org :cooter:
Wow what a great car. :smokin:
Welcome to the club.
thanks again for the welcome's! added a few more pics. the cars now up on the jack and gearbox is off because i fooked up the crank bearing behind the flywheel:(
edit: there's a small glimp off the GTT too:D
old skool turbo power
18-04-2012, 22:59
nice looking car there mate.that is one freeking low car :laugh::pimp::)id guess you will get some good power outta the engine:)
r5_scotty
19-04-2012, 18:06
hey buddy , nice to see your thread! love it mate! :D:agree: i bet your well chuffed with the outcome! top job!
:cool: lovin the f7p turbo 9, ultimate sleeper stylee;)
:cool: lovin the f7p turbo 9, ultimate sleeper stylee;)
F7R Williams engine actually if I'm not mistaken Andy
Hi Arthur
Good to see you on rtoc :)
Are you using F4R pistons and rods ? I would avoid the F4R rods, they are not very strong! F7R rods are much stronger.
LYNCHSTAR
19-04-2012, 21:12
ace looking motor propper slamed
Hi Chris, glad to see you here too!
I used stock F7R rods with machined pistons.
Looking at "steer from the rear's" pistons they would hold up to 250 horses probably:D
few running vids on my youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suG3mIRRjjA
going to complete it tomorrow and make a few run in/test runs.. i'm waiting for my ecu to turn up so then its boosting time :cool:
Awesome, great feeling when it first fires up :)
Good work mate :agree:
Great thread and project. Cracking work pal.
Woznaldo
28-04-2012, 10:35
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/F7R%20lpt/9c0c0786.jpg
Did you make this yourself? This is exactly what I am looking for at the moment.
Top work on the car so far. :cool:
yes i made that one myself, a RTC member welded it up for me.
been busy again today, only thing left to do is line the shifter up, fill the chargecooler and wait for my boost chip to turn up:)
how the bay looks right now:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/motor002.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/motor001.jpg
Done a few things today, first i have put the sport wheels back on and lowered the rear to match the front (going further down when everything is up and running):
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/e2d13474.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/edd35c14.jpg
Also finished the bay, as in: cut down the clio heatshield to fit, assemble the chargecoolerpump and fill up and mount the plug cover etc.:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/88fdf922.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/f37c8c2d.jpg
Nice Artuur.
why not blue coolant :p
looks very tidy, i can't w8 to see the car in Gronau, germany.
Hi Sieger,
I thought it would be fun to have some contrast :cooter:
R5TURBORON
05-05-2012, 20:39
Looks amazing great work
superb work to realize . :agree:
Wow, really love this project :agree: You could really do with a new front wing(s) probably very hard to get though I'd guess? :confused:
Tony Walker
06-05-2012, 19:11
actuators popped off :agree:
Ace car. It's low enough already. :agree:
she runs! currently on off the shelf tune on 0,5bar (7psi).
made a short vid of it, watch it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiBfe0VNX_Y
me is very happy:D
headgasket has gone already :(
i blasted in 4th and when i let go off the gas there was nothing but smoke in the rear view mirror! however i don't get it, i decked the block and skimmed the head.
tightened the head bolts exactly according procedure, had no markings of det but still the HG went. was this just random?
pics:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakking001.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakking002.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakking005.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakking006.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakking007.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakking008.jpg
Arthur not good matey, think you may need to turn the boost down and make up a stethoscope det / knock sensor, and you will defo need to look into a proper / custom map for it aswell.
I feel for you matey all that time and not long and it's gone, is that a spesso gasket aswell? Personally if I was you I would just put in a standard but decent branded gasket Mellior or OE from renault this time around.
Nah mate, it's a gasket set from ebay. Shirley.... Sells them. Will probably going to use OE Renault this time.
No signs of knock anywhere, it runs pretty rich! Also no signs of anything else that went wrong so i just think the gasket isn't exactly the same quality as it supposed to be!
If i can locate some headbolts i'll probably have it up and running again by the end of tomorrow ;)
Nah mate, it's a gasket set from ebay. Shirley.... Sells them. Will probably going to use OE Renault this time.
No signs of knock anywhere, it runs pretty rich! Also no signs of anything else that went wrong so i just think the gasket isn't exactly the same quality as it supposed to be!
If i can locate some headbolts i'll probably have it up and running again by the end of tomorrow ;)
Get the head bolts from the club shop, there for the Volvo lump but there the same as F7P/R jobs
two things fella
1. don't use ebay headgaskets, if your going to use standard get a genuine or a payen type as they are tested and reputable
2. get a wideband gauge on there asap, check the fuelling from the chip
that should ensure the build lasts next time around :-)
Thnx for the heads up!
I only used the ebay one as everybody uses them. Only i was the first on to put some positive pressure on it :p
I'd like the head bolts from the club shop only they won't be here in time. Maybe i'll just call it a quit and have it fixed next weekend then. How do you guys tighten the 12.9 jobbies?
Ben, i have a afr meter. On full boost 4000tpm it's 12:1 and the higher the revs the richer it gets...
Thnx for the heads up!
I only used the ebay one as everybody uses them. Only i was the first on to put some positive pressure on it :p
I'd like the head bolts from the club shop only they won't be here in time. Maybe i'll just call it a quit and have it fixed next weekend then. How do you guys tighten the 12.9 jobbies?
Ben, i have a afr meter. On full boost 4000tpm it's 12:1 and the higher the revs the richer it gets...
:laugh:ebay cardboard head gasket don't use, as Ben suggested and myself go for genuine OE, payen, mellior type I used mellior in mine and didn't have any prob's got mine from k-tec for about £30 inc postage, and I used standard bolt's doing the 5step sequence. I think I have read some peeps ujse the rtoc club shop bolts and do 90nm
5 steps so you don't retighten them? That was described with my bolts, undo them after cooling and then another 25nm + 170 degrees...
90nm dry i suppose? I think i'm going to remove the complete engine btw as my crank seal is leaking too :crap:
pics:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakking008.jpg
is it me, or you can clearly see detonation on the back of each fire-ring - that indentation that you clearly see on the metal bit - looks like its been pushed in with a finger nail.....
Arthur your chip is it for the f7r or f7 p?
That has detonated, are you sure the compression ratio is right for the chip ? Detonation tends not to show on the piston unless it was caused by a lean condition.
Are you sure thats det? I didn't hear or feel anything aquard.
I'm running 10 psi on 9,2:1 CR. Chip was written on a F7P low boost with 802's and i tried my luck with 803's on the F7R.
Runs pretty rich so i don't think that would be the problem...
I've done a bit of research and everyone tells me they retighten the headbolts 25nm+107 or don't retighten them at al. This is what my paper said:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/6a9387fd.jpg
My guess is that the gasket was squeezed to much and the bolts are stretched beyond elastic limit too. When i undid the bolts i could use a ratchet with ease while when torqing them i used a big torque wrench and had to pull pretty hard....
Tutuur, I've seen enough dead turbo engines over the years to know when one has detonated ;)
Ignition timing and compression ratio play just as big a role.
Your F7P's chip will have very different ignition timing to the F7R. Unless you were listening with a knock box you will not have heard detonation at high rpm. You really can't use a chip from one engine and expect it to work in another.
If you don't want to find an F7R chip then you will at least need to think about dropping compression or retarding the ignition and then having the engine properly monitored for knock.
Thanks for the heads up Chris, i knew it was a gamble thats why i don't feal defeatened.
This is a learning prcess for me, hence i came back home smillling as i already knew the HG went.
Currently have all parts in home to build the engine up again. I'll try again on 0,4bar with det cans. If that runs without det i'll keep it this way untill i can map it...
Really appreciate all the help!
bloody hell man, you didnt mention the chip was from a totally different engine! no wonder it went pop!
get an F7R chip at least ;-)
she runs! currently on off the shelf tune on 0,5bar (7psi).
Only didn't specify what exactly...
Going to tow the car to the shed end of this afternoon. My goal is to have it up and running again by the end of tomorrow:D
Big Steve - Raider
18-05-2012, 16:31
bloody hell man..
...thou is nothing but a Cad and a Bounder with your preposterous action!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Think we're going to have to call you Victorian Coops ;)
You'll have to explain that to me!
Also, i changed my topic title but it doesn't appear different until you open it. How can i change the title shown in the project page?
decided to crack on and used the last hours off today to remove the engine(crank seal is leaking too), i first had to put the car back on it's wheels and put all the engine parts in as the car was standing on the driveway at home.
i thought it was way easier to just tow it to the shed to remove the engine.
it was a bit late on the day when i got there but i managed to get the whole thing out:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakking009.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakking010.jpg
and how it's waiting for me to resume tomorrow morning:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakking011.jpg
my goal is to have it running again tomorrow :)
Get an aftermarket ecu fitted :) awesome project though mate, ive always fancied making a big power 9 turbo:agree:
Nah mate, wouldn't fit the origin of the project. This is just a low budget learning project.
Have a fully built f7r too which is going to be big powered.
DaveL485
18-05-2012, 20:09
Get an aftermarket ecu fitted :) awesome project though mate, ive always fancied making a big power 9 turbo:agree:
Thinking that myself Brigsy.
Thing is, I already got the car. And an F4R running gear on my doorstep.
It'd be rude not to, wouldnt it!
(P.S....my old Ph1 11Turbo is up for grabs if you want one!)
she runs again! still a couple things to do but atleast the engine is back in and running. i've set the actuator back on 0,4bar for now and going to make a det can to listen for det.
also had contact with someone who can map it for me so maybe in a short mather of time i can put it back on 0,7bar (10psi):D
pics:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix009.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix008.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix004.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix003.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix002.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix001.jpg
you can see the det marks in cil 1&2. my guess is they breath a little bit better than 3&4
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix005.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix006.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix007.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix010.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix011.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix012.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/koppakkingfix013.jpg
edit: i updated to photobucket pro, have to be patiënt i guess...
m1n1 (Jasper)
25-05-2012, 14:37
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
Hey, Tutuur is here too :D
How is that Helix clutch, still driveable in trafic? (vakantie geld komt er weer aan)
Mwa, it's not fantastic but doable :)
my clutch does the same :) not a very smooth launch :p
infinately better than a R5 GTT uprated clutch however ;-)
car is mapped on the street on conservative timing to keep everything together.
drives a treat at 10psi!
have to make some betters vids soon but this is a short teaser (friend forgot to hold his Iphone in landscope mode)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZ8xdybb94
car is mapped on the street on conservative timing to keep everything together.
drives a treat at 10psi!
have to make some betters vids soon but this is a short teaser (friend forgot to hold his Iphone in landscope mode)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZ8xdybb94
Dude the camera work might be ****e but damn that sounds awesome and looks like it goes like stink :agree:
Gunna have to fettle my 9 now :D
How low is that, your insane (in a good way):agree:
some more video's added to my channel.
including a head-to-head with an Audi Rs4 :D
http://www.youtube.com/user/gluurekind?feature=mhee
after a long drive in the Dci (FCS- 1800km round trip) i really needed a blast in the 9.
so i took her out today and i think i wasted a few more mm's of the front tyres :p
after i turned off the highway i took a small sprint and before i knew it shew had hit the rev limiter....
first thought that went trough my mind was the diff circlip.
so i rolled out and was lucky the traffic lights where green so i made it to a retirements house parking lot.
looked behind the wheels and suddenly saw something hanging behind the offside (lhd) wheel. it was the driveshaft :laugh:
so decided to crack on as i'm no member of the Anwb (A-A).
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto-9.jpg
called my mom and she brought me a spare driveshaft i had. in the mean time i took the old one off and after she brought me the spare one the car was back on it's wheels after 15 min's...
unfortunately the spare has a knackered tripod but at least i could drive the car home :agree:
this is how the damage looks:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto2-3.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto1-6.jpg
so now looking for a driveshaft which isn't knackered or going to convert to 19 16v trackwidth. does anyone know how long a 19/willy triangle is?
Nice break:agree: it's defo making good power to do that :D
still have to get it up on the rollers, however i'm a bit dissapointed of the high rev power.... she hardly makes anything above 6500rpm.
could be due to the .64 rear housing tho...
still have to get it up on the rollers, however i'm a bit dissapointed of the high rev power.... she hardly makes anything above 6500rpm.
could be due to the .64 rear housing tho...
Your only running a T28 sized turbo right ? I found with mine when I had a T28 it came in early and hard but had next to nothing up top. To get more power up top you'll need a bigger blower
well i know the power potential of these should be somewhere around 280bhp but could well be lower in the reve range.
maybe a .82 rear housing would do better.... or just a gtir unit, they have .86 rear housing and supposely a bigger turbine...
however there could be more things in play. i use a f7p head with camshafts on a 2.0 bottom....
If the gtir unit has a bigger turbine wheel then that would be the one to go for
yeah maybe it would, however this one is on and it works :p also have to get it mapped again if i swap...
Very true and it's already breaking driveshafts, maybe concentrate on making the drive train stronger and improving the handling so the car can use the power it has more effectively or possibly use a longer ratio gearbox
i know the diesel gearboxes are longer but 1st and 2nd are shorter. don't like that... it's all a give and take mather unfrotunately...
handling is ****e anyway because of the 165 Nankang tyres, ain't going to change them as i'd rather lower it more than bring it up :wasntme:
That's interesting, the diesel box I'm using has the same 1st, 2nd and 3rd as a 5 GTT box but a taller 4th and 5th. What box are you using ?
hmmm you sure? it's a gtt box atm....
what speedo does it have, mechanical or electrical?
Mechanical unfortunately but I recon the electronic sensor off a mk1 megane coupe which reads the mechanical drive should work with electronic clocks
What's the code on the box mate?
Meachanical won't be a problem for me as i can then use my original clock again.
Will only lose the rev clock in that case...
I don't know as there's no tag on the box :(
Hhmm that sucks!
The diesel boxes i've found have shorter 1st and 2nd, same 3th and longer 4 and 5th...
Well, i'll just stay with the gtt box for now. Top speed will be somewhere around 150 anyway :D
150mph ??? What are you revving it too?
My old GTT box did 140mph at 7000rpm
Hhmmm thats strange! People do 150 at 7200 with a Williams jc5 which is shorter then a gtt box.
What wheelsize where you running?
Do you have the jc/jb repair manual (pdf) which is on the net?
It has al jb and early jc gear ratio's documented...
I did 140 at around 6300 or so... Rev limiter is set at 6800 but really the most power is gone above 6500
still have to get it up on the rollers, however i'm a bit dissapointed of the high rev power.... she hardly makes anything above 6500rpm.
could be due to the .64 rear housing tho...
f7p cams will not breath very well at high RPM on a 2L engine. Maybe the williams cams would have been a better choice. But yes, small turbo does not help. The normal 60trim T3 compressor (T28 turbo) is starting to run out of puff after 250hp. :)
Thanks for the input Chris, maybe something to take in acount for the future. Currently i just want to enjoy driving it :)
So you reckon f7r cams will make a difference above 6500rpm, evet with this turbo?
Swapping cams is much easier then swapping the turbo!
turbo ted
19-06-2012, 23:11
i have a pair of f7r williams cams for sale if your interested;)
still have the driveshaft problem, don't want to buy a new one as i'm afraid i will snap a 100+ quid shaft....
however i decided to fiddle a bit.
have put some fresh 165/40/16's on the front wheels, gave the bumpers a fresh coat of black and put a Laguna lip on it.
pics:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3553.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3554.jpg
as i had more space with the 165/40 tyres instead of 165/45 i lowered the front by 2cm or so and lowered the rear to match, this is how she stands now:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3557.jpg
however this gives me some problem to get onto my driveway:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3559.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3560.jpg
i've hit the subframe a nice couple of times too so have to get some protection for the oil pan:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3564.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3565.jpg
going to shorten the downpipe too as it's the lowest point of the car atm.
it will take a few weeks as i'm going to France upcomming week:)
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3557.jpg
I am certain, that I do not pass my cellphone under the front parechoc :eek::devil:
Tony Walker
30-06-2012, 19:58
:) ace
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
30-06-2012, 20:40
I want the t-5R!!
i assume you dont get speed bumps over there - or even worse - the speed pyramid!
We get trown to death with speeds bumps here, hence why i need the sump guard.
Lol, it's not a T5-R. It's a v70R;)
raise it............. go quicker ;)
Love the car. Far too low for my tastes, or practical use though.
Is that V70R an AWD? Looks awesome!
Yes it is:)
Thnx for the comments!
We get trown to death with speeds bumps here, hence why i need the sump guard.
Lol, it's not a T5-R. It's a v70R;)
hmm, maybe your speed bumps are different to ours, i found any lower than 10cm on the front bumper, i suffered major chassis/bumper/everthing scrape.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_04/SpeedHumpsREX_468x290.jpg
I don't see the problem, you can pass them through the middle?
If you have a Peel P50 maybe.
the sump guard is fitted however at this ridehight it gives me some problems :D
after a fresh paint of black and fitted:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3643.jpg
only had to file out 2 holes and drill 2 new ones and fits perfect. now i only fear the height as it sits 2-3cm lower than the sump.
had it fitted yesterday, drove the car back home and today back to the shed to check it out, this is what i found:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3653.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3654.jpg
i'm afraid i'll have to higher the car, customise the sump guard or remove it cause this ain't working :laugh:
Nad-5GTT
14-07-2012, 22:22
Love this car its so retro:cool: i think the rust on the wing helps this too:D
What's the point in having a slammed motor and a wel tuned engine... IMO raise it a little and enjoy the boost.
had to raise the front 1cm cause i couldnt get on the driveway....
this is the damage after 2 weeks:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto1-7.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto-10.jpg
and some pics we took last Sunday at a little grassfield meeting:
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w187/arno16v/DSCF0521.jpg
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9130/p1050638w.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8649/p1050639t.jpg
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4744/p1050648p.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7721/p1050649.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/IMG_3793.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/IMG_3795.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/IMG_3796.jpg
Waiting for some upgrades :D
Tony Walker
25-08-2012, 19:05
I say adjust the driveway not the car :)
scratcher
28-08-2012, 15:56
had to raise the front 1cm cause i couldnt get on the driveway....
this is the damage after 2 weeks:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/foto1-7.jpg
That's fine still. You should see the subframe on my daily drive :wasntme:
I really like this car though. Great work dude :)
Alastair
28-08-2012, 20:06
Is the sump guard standard on an 11T ? :scratch:
If so - i want one!
No it isn't. This one is off a Dacia, had to file out 2 holes and drill 2 and it fits perfectly!
The guard looks pretty good on the pic but reality is pretty different! I'm sure if i didn't put it under i would have wreck a fair few sumps by now :p
Don't feel like typing a whole story now cause i'm finally drinking a beer but some pics will do:
Descriptions are in dutch so you could use google translate if you like.
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3819_zpsb606a63a.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3820_zps4ecf5375.jpg
Nieuw speeltje:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3851_zps5e4697d2.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3853_zpsc26dda22.jpg
Dci jc5 bak aanpassen:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3885_zps9aa69964.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3938_zpsb448e667.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3887.jpg
Nieuw setje zuigers afgedraaid:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3837.jpg
F7r710 drijfstangen vervangen voor 16v/willy drijfstangen:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3798.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3799.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3886.jpg
Willy nokkenassen:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3890.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3892.jpg
Blok weer in elkaar (met verse kleppendeksel) en bak er tegen aan:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3955.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3956.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_3957.jpg
Nieuwe rembekrachtiger en hrc tbv Brembo remmen:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_4005.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_4029.jpg
Turbo gemonteerd:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_4028.jpg
En blok er weer in:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_4031.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_4032.jpg
Vers radiateurtje:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_4033.jpg
En zoals ie nu staat te wachten op volgend weekend:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/IMG_4034.jpg
Going on the rollers 27oct to see what it's got on the same mapping but with current mods, than probably standalone next year.
Tony Walker
13-10-2012, 20:24
Driving that low with the ability to go that fast, i cant imagine theres much left of the bottom of your car :eek:
Going to update soon when i have some more time but all i can say is: WOW!
I now am more agitated the 9 didn't make it last weekend because of a stupid short to mass which was solved in 10mins....
Driven it a bit easy yesterday and been mapping transients and low load fuel cells.
In the afternoon mapped the higher load fuel cells and and tweeked the ign. Map i had made a little bit.
It drives awesome now, idles smooth around 900rpm without idle valve, runs perfectly smooth from low rpm's etc.
Currently set to 7-8 psi and it goes! Just manages to keep grip on the front wheels, that is on dry asphalt, with quaife and 195 pirelli tires :D
Only need to buy a smaller clutch master cylinder now, strengthen the clutch setup, fit a new fuel pump (bigger), bigger injectors (575->630) and fab a 3" exhaust system.
Hopefully it'll be done for a while and get to map it to 21psi or the likes :D
typical mate after all the hard work to get it ready for sangliers it was a pleasure to meet you and your mate top peeps, lets hope it stays in one piece ready for next year lol
Ok so it's ready when I am back from the south of france :)
we will defo need some semy's next year r888
TNT ANDY
06-06-2013, 22:49
Really gutted not to have seen this, next year hopefully. Looks so clean, credit to you TuTuur.
I really don't bother anymore, had an awesome weekend anyway!
Clutch is getting better atm although i still need to order a smaller master cylinder.
Have been driving alot in the past few days :D
Connected a launch control switch and wiring yesterday, omg i'm sure the turbocharger doesn't like it!! Also hooked up the afr meter to the megasquirt so i can datalog afr's too.
Also gave the car a quick clean and wax, something i haven't done since i own it, what a difference! Does look funny though, shiney/mirror like panels with rust holes in it :laugh:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/7FEA395D-A118-4831-959E-D7BA0053B018-9752-000008A5240BD193_zps0e7dfd93.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/29244933-5A4D-4FF2-9DA8-6E97E017F83C-9752-000008A4F576691E_zps986a9d11.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/7D708711-AC0A-49D1-8008-04E04344B900-9752-000008A700701068_zps5ae957f7.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/232E783E-3CFB-47C9-B896-61C55D91C8CC-9752-000008A67854E320_zpsef02e489.jpg
That looks excellent Arthur. :agree:
Looks awesome Arthur. Nice to see it up and running :agree:
Will try to make some vids with the iphone tonight :D
Bay looks fantastic, lovely workmanship :)
Still too low for my liking :wasntme:
Had some fun with launch control yesterday, especially the tunnel back home was rather funny :laugh:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/A53D8419-9B32-44BC-945B-842DF8B6C0D5-9752-000008D7C0807399_zpsfdbcc74e.mp4
Your going to scare the life out of people with that.
What sort of boost can you make when using it?
B18ftMOJO5
08-06-2013, 08:26
wow, only one word pure QUALITY mate. :agree::agree::agree:
Thanks lads!
Uhm, atm i think around 3-4 psi maybe a bit more.
However it will be useless with street tyres and fwd anyway. Just for ****s and giggles :D
Little video of 1-3rd today:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/5E2F2032-13AC-4633-B193-EBD0703E4868-10785-000009628079E105_zps28628cfc.mp4
SCHWARTZ
10-06-2013, 08:35
Arthur launch control sounds and looks awesome. Can I ask what sort of settings you have set it to? Is this on the megasquirt?
Have it set to 5000 soft and 5025 hard limit. Ignition retarded to 5 degrees.
Yes it's on the megasquirt.
very nice arthur, get the baby mapped and then up the boost for another vid, awesome mate tc mick
I will be mapping it myself mate, probably going to up the boost coming weekend, although i di still have to make the 3" exhaust too as this one is too restrictive.
I hope to have the car final mapped by Scoff once, not really any tuners here i can thrust or who are good priced..
SCHWARTZ
10-06-2013, 13:31
5 deg you say. I have mine set to 10deg btdc at mo to be safe but was reading on ms forums and was suggested to run atdc but I didn't really want to do that. Mine retards to 10deg btdc at 3750 and limited to 5k think il try going 5deg btdc as I'm not getting any flames just gunshot loud bangs:laugh:
Loving the look tho matey top work
If you have that much difference between hard cut and soft cut does it bounce up and down between them?
When i had 100rpm difference it was like paaaapaaapaaa now it more like tatatatata if that makes sense :laugh:
SCHWARTZ
10-06-2013, 15:21
Think that may be my problem then both with the launch limits and rev limits as I have 200rpm difference with my rev limit and it just sounds white and dosnt reach the hard cut.
You need to bring the retard rpm and hard cut close to eachother
SCHWARTZ
10-06-2013, 16:26
Are you you using the variable launch function or fixed? I have been using variable but you still need to set a max rpm for it for the hard cut but that could be miles away from where you press the button to just retard the ign:scratch:
don't know about fixed or variable.
just launch control in tunerstudio, set it to 4950 and 5000
retard to 5 degrees or 0 if you want to go nuts and cut 5/7 or 7/7 sparks...
Honda coil on plug fitted:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/92B4148D-BE95-4541-BE27-DCFCD077C673_zpsmjcum3m5.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/D1A821F8-18DA-4ECB-AFF2-2137792C2504_zpsfdbsyerk.jpg
Turned the boost up to 1,3bar (19psi) and she now spins the front wheels in 3rd :D have to wait for 2 new coils though as when heatsoaked they misfire...
Als made a new lh driveshaft as the first one we made was pretty shitty:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/F6371AC8-3135-4B91-B2BF-1BC2E86940C5_zpsxeelgxsl.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/6615CBA0-E2A9-4C4A-A230-63C4FD975CEC_zps92ydlnw6.jpg
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/F3848921-8811-4923-ACB2-2595E8C7955B_zpsz48ph98d.jpg
Also welded 12 m8 nuts on the inner cv for the speedo, will have to fab a new bracket though as the trial bracket wrecked the sensor :laugh: it did work though, for 100m...
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/BDD80441-3330-4317-93A3-8B2AC910862D_zpshmqazhek.jpg
:hump::hump::hump::hump::hump: :agree::agree:
http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/B425E686-5A8B-47F0-9B8E-DB3B35EEF111_zpskianky2h.jpg (http://s1230.photobucket.com/user/tutuur/media/renault%209%20F7R/B425E686-5A8B-47F0-9B8E-DB3B35EEF111_zpskianky2h.jpg.html)
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http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee490/tutuur/renault%209%20F7R/03C51B4F-E287-4A1E-B08F-72900B621187_zpsiqzhb26c.jpg (http://s1230.photobucket.com/user/tutuur/media/renault%209%20F7R/03C51B4F-E287-4A1E-B08F-72900B621187_zpsiqzhb26c.jpg.html)
Mr Raider
20-03-2014, 22:27
Awesome car, thats a seriously low & cool 9, great work mate :agree: :)
turbo ted
20-03-2014, 22:38
is that a full 3'' system now you got there Arthur:smokin: im liking the 12 nuts welded on the driveshaft for the speedo good idea are you using the original Renault speedo and sensor:)
Yes full 3". I've made a trail bracket to test the setup and it worked, shame the bracket wasn't really sturdy so wrecked the sensor... (Original sensor indeed)
Awesome work Arthur:agree::)
Getting pretty fed up with the honda coils now. 3 different sets of coils and still has a warm misfiring issue :confused:
turbo ted
21-03-2014, 22:26
have you soldered all the wiring for the coils and move them earth wires off the rocker cover and refit them on side of the head where the dizzy cap was might help.
The strange thing is everything works flawless when cold.....
If everything is heatsoaked and i change the coils with cold ones it runs fine untill it heatsoaks again.
Think i'll try to run wires externally to rule out a wiring fault.
Dave Reed
22-03-2014, 14:32
you sure you haven't got a head gasket issue?
Yes i'm sure, problem started after changing to k20 coils
Have you swapped it back to the leads just to rule out its any other faults? If not, could be worth a try to confirm its coil fault. :agree:
hmmmm loving the car tuts:cool:
may i make a few suggestions if your going for more power:p
ditch the o.e two stage throttle, they are sooo restrictive :), and maybe aftermarket higher lift cams as scoff suggested way back!! the megane, valver cams are quite laim, the williams being the best of the bunch, but not really that much better inlet wise than the valver, the exhaust cam is worth keeping as it has a good balance of lift/duration( mine measured 9.2mm) with almost the same duration as the valver;) which could help with overlap if you where to run a bigger aftermarket inlet cam;) glad to see the 3" exhaust system, that will help also, but the cast manifolds flow/reversion on cylinder 2 is not good as is the t2 flange size, but you already knew that ;)
was thinking of using the vw speedo pick up sensor in the 02m gearbox and re -wiring into my aftermarket speedo as it is a magnetic pickup type, running of the diff (7 or 8 teeth) if i remember?) im using a abs ring on the front hub at the moment, which is a bit slow, but could be the speedo unit i suppose:crap:
the strut arms on the front wishbone mod will also make a big difference to how the car grips, help put the power down, (couldnt see them on your wishbone pic):)
i need to get my workshop built and carry on doing my 5, im missing the boost:(
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