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Just picked up my new project car, project old codger, an E reg Renault 9 GTL in red :)
It's only a 1.4 C2J but that's fine as its just going to be a restoration project.
Pics will follow
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/805e5147.jpg
Well I've been driving it for a day and a half now and she's performed faultlessly :) and the boat like suspension isn't as bad as I first thought it would be, I've started a list of the jobs that need doing.
Paintwork needs mopping
Both front jacking points need replacing
Both front wings have a small amount of surface rust
Small ding in the middle of the bonnet
Small rust patches on the top of inner wings
Rocker cover gasket leaking
Rocker cover to inlet breather pipe missing
Gearbox oil needs flushing and replacing
Aux belt a little warn
Small leak between downpipe and centre section of exhaust
Fuel gauge now then needs a bash to get it working
Headunit looses its presets when turned off
Drivers seat foam base has started to collapse
In the grand scheme of things, that little lot is bugger all, progress with this will be slow as it has MOT and Tax till September so itll act as transport while the undergoes any work, then once the MOT runs out I'll treat it and fix up the above list, there are a few bits that need to done sooner rather than later, like the missing breather pipe and the oil leak but there no biggie.
dont forget the baby seat for the back ;):D:laugh::laugh:
dont forget the baby seat for the back ;):D:laugh::laugh:
F**k u HAndy :cooter:
TNT ANDY
08-04-2012, 09:48
Great buy Oli - no big engine going in? or are you just there to save her?
That said, knowing you - if it don't spit a 3ft long flame you'll soon get bored.
Baby seat:confused:
Great buy Oli - no big engine going in? or are you just there to save her?
That said, knowing you - if it don't spit a 3ft long flame you'll soon get bored.
Baby seat:confused:
Nope, no engine swaps or turbo's going on this, just gunna save it and use it.
I've got the 5 if I wanna make fire :)
Ignore HAndy, he's making it sound like I'm doing a JP
TNT ANDY
08-04-2012, 12:25
And you're not?
And you're not?
No I bloody aint
Did the math on the fuel economy and it's doing 52mpg :eek: who needs a feckin hybrid
TNT ANDY
08-04-2012, 17:26
:agree::agree::agree::agree::agree::agree:
No I bloody aint
:agree::agree::agree::agree::agree:
Matt Cole
08-04-2012, 17:32
Did the math on the fuel economy and it's doing 52mpg :eek: who needs a feckin hybrid
Somehow I think your calculator is broken!:scratch:
Somehow I think your calculator is broken!:scratch:
I thought it was but 502 miles from 39.08 litres comes out at 51.9mpg:eek:
TNT ANDY
08-04-2012, 17:54
I thought it was but 502 miles from 39.08 litres comes out at 51.9mpg:eek:
How many of those 502 did you push it LOL
The new Bill J
08-04-2012, 18:07
How many of those 502 did you push it LOL
:laugh:
To be fair, the pushing probably equalled out the amount of fuel burned when he started it up, revved it for ten minutes, and then turned it off, fifty times :cooter:
TNT ANDY
08-04-2012, 19:06
:agree::agree:
:laugh:
To be fair, the pushing probably equalled out the amount of fuel burned when he started it up, revved it for ten minutes, and then turned it off, fifty times :cooter:
:agree::agree:
Done my first 2 jobs on the 9
First I replaced the old wiper blades with some new flat blade jobs, now I can see when it's raining without having to listern to the wipers scraping there way across the windscreen.
Second I decided to take a look at the drivers seat, the foam on the right side had collapsed so every time u went left you'd fall out the window :crap:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/9e3b7ffe.jpg
I got some new foam off the local market
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/2c9665c4.jpg
But when I got the fabrics off I found the foam although damaged was intact and was infact no longer support by the seat pan due to a big split in the metal
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/ff82f8eb.jpg
A few small strips of metal and pop rivits later it's all 1 piece again, yes this is only a temporary fix until I can get hold of a new seat pan
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/cef7e24d.jpg
Mr Raider
09-04-2012, 22:11
Nice mate, very retro! but has it got the sex seat?! ;)
markey b
09-04-2012, 22:13
Nice mate, very retro! but has it got the sex seat?! ;)
was my first question too... turns out the answer is no, so i think its ****
Just weld the seat up, i done it on my 11t back in the day. 52mpg?? You wish:laugh:
TNT ANDY
10-04-2012, 06:21
And don't let Handy near that seat again:laugh:
And don't let Handy near that seat again:laugh:
you mean jp;), i refuse to sit behind the wheel of any car with less than 100whp
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Mr Raider
10-04-2012, 12:28
you mean jp;), i refuse to sit behind the wheel of any car with less than 100whp
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Even in the BK/McD's drive-thru?! :laugh:
markey b
10-04-2012, 17:48
you mean jp;), i refuse to sit behind the wheel of any car with less than 100whp
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
not driving around in that old subaru with its power sapping AWD these days then :cooter:
scratcher
10-04-2012, 18:25
That's so cool. Loads of potential :cool:
As it turns out the mileometer might be a tad ambitious, a did a trip last night that was exactly 10 miles, I know this as both the 5 and the works van told me so, the 9 told me it was 12 miles:crap: this would explain as to why I seemed to get 52mpg, more like 42mpg :( but on the bright side that's still good for a car that's 24 years old
Tony Walker
10-04-2012, 23:11
Its a positive car :D in that case you can probably knock 20% off the mileometer :agree:
markey b
11-04-2012, 08:47
pop ya seat out again and i'll weld it up for ya boss
Haven't done much with the 9 except put fuel in it and drive it, that was until the banding in 1 of the tyres let go causing massive vibration and distortion of the tyre, had the road not been wet I recon the tyre would have overheated and blown. Take it from me people, even if the tyre has plenty of tread left on it, if it's old and cracking get it replaced. I can't afford a new set of tyres at the moment so I've temporarily fitted a set of Clio alloys with toyo's on, ok so there 15" not 13" and they don't suit the car but at least there safe till I can afford a new set
For those that wanted to see what the 9 looks like on alloys, here ya go
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/d414dcd7.jpg
Big Steve - Raider
02-05-2012, 19:25
I missed this Ollie. Nice looking little car you've got there :niceone:
You'll certainly look the part cruising round Ipswich in that ;)
Nice 9 16v conversion ??? How much did that hurt the bank ?
TNT ANDY
02-05-2012, 22:59
hideous rims - get em orf, yer great lanky Sparky
Nice 9 16v conversion ??? How much did that hurt the bank ?
Why does everyone think I'm going to drop an F7P in it :sad2: at most I might play about with the OE C2J to squeeze abit more out of it but that's it
hideous rims - get em orf, yer great lanky Sparky
They ain't staying forever, only till I've got the cash to get a nice period set of alloys refurbed and new tyres
markey b
03-05-2012, 15:48
Why does everyone think I'm going to drop an F7P in it :sad2: at most I might play about with the OE C2J to squeeze abit more out of it but that's it
waste of monies! F7 it up! i've got all the wiring notes still so an evenings work :)
Done 3 jobs on the 9
1) the outer cv boot on the passenger side shaft needed to be replaced, shaft off and boot replaced in no time.
2) there's annoying vibration at 50mph, wheel off and rebalanced, no change :(
3) gear oil well past it's best, while the shaft was out I drained the rest of the oil, flushed the box and replaced the oil, gear change feels much better.
DaveL485
07-06-2012, 22:03
Love my 9. Nice work! Someone has to keep em alive!
TNT ANDY
08-06-2012, 06:37
It's all right faffing around Oli. But you know it's gonna happen, get the 5 finished (LOL) and then itching for another project???? Don't fight it.
Andy the plans for the 9 are growing larger by the day, they now include
5gtt front brakes ( got my old calipers in the shed).
Less wobbly suspension (5gtt ph1 springs & dampers on the front, mk2 Clio rear dampers on the back).
Polybush the wishbones & anti roll bar.
New bottom ball joints and track rod ends.
DaveL485
08-06-2012, 22:19
Less wobbly suspension (5gtt ph1 springs & dampers on the front, mk2 Clio rear dampers on the back).
So 5GTT struts will fit eh?
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d157/Gatordonald/intredasting_RE_Toothfairy-s685x567-170917.jpg
So 5GTT struts will fit eh?
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d157/Gatordonald/intredasting_RE_Toothfairy-s685x567-170917.jpg
Ph1 jobs by the look of it but you would have to use the 9 top mounts as the ph1 jobs don't line up with the fixing holes
Been abit slack with this project thread, mainly as all I've done with the 9 is use it and abuse it and she's performed well.
The suspension has steadily got more and more boat like so much that in hard cornering the outer front will drop straight onto the bump stop and lift the back well a foot off the ground :eek: but I've managed to source a brand new pair of front dampers for feck all notes :D
The passenger front wheel bearing has decided its time to die aswell so I'm gunna be clever about replacing it, I'be got a pair of valver hubs which I'll fit new bearings to and stick them on the 5 and use the 5 hubs on the 9 :) while the hubs are off I'll replace the track rod ends and bottom ball joints.
Oh yeah, almost forgot, the rad fan which was controlled by the OE switch stopped working, a temp bridge of the plug proved the fan to be ok and the switch to be at fault, so I ordered a new 1 from renault and fitted it and guess what....... it was a duff switch :( so for now I've got 2 wires leading inside the car to a manual switch tie wrapped to the side of the centre console.
Fitted the passenger side GTT hub and a new track rod end on the 9 and the good news is the wheel wobble has gone but I still have a noisy bearing on the drivers side, but the other GTT hub is ready and waiting for when I've got 5mins spare.
Drivers side GTT hub and track rod end fitted and the new OE front dampers fitted, yes some of the boat like characteristics have been reduced but not completely, whilst changing the dampers I found both springs were showing signs of wear but more worryingly one of them had a bend in it :/ so I'm on he hunt for a new pair of springs, I'm thinking I'll fit something abit stiffer, maybe off a R19 or similar
Was out the 9 Saturday night and nearly ended up in a tree after the top mount of the drivers side rear damper let go as I rounded a corner, the damper pushed through the top and the whole drivers side rear damn near hit the deck :eek:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/10B5B1B8-7C90-4D1E-A70D-9B79137C0A85-9650-00000B4E928F0B99.jpg
So I decided to get on with fitting the mk2 Clio dcu rear dampers donated by MarkyB. All they needed to make them fit is to open the metal insert in the bottom bush from 11.85mm to 14.02mm, using the stock clio top mounts too they fitted straight on. As you can see from the pic the Clio damper (at the top) isn't much longer than the stock 9 jobs and as there the stock item for the clio they perfectly comfortable while still being a little stiffer than the 9 items.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/5DEDD780-A05E-4F03-8F36-51E3F2C32EA4-9650-00000B4E89C63B68.jpg
End result the back feels so much nicer and instead of annoying understeer it now has death dealing lift off oversteer, which is fun:D
The rad fan on the 9 has been abit of pain for a little while, first off the switch packed up and replacement didn't work so a temporary dash mounted switch was needed. The fact Renault never fitted a relay probably didn't help matters and now the fan motor itself has started making unpleasant noises, so I decided to make use of the old 10" spal fan formally on my R5.
The old fan and bracket
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/8B744DA9-6DD3-405E-9CE8-E99E97B58247-13715-0000111547ACF0E5.jpg
The new relay wiring on the fan side of the plug
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/4999B476-26FB-45C9-B569-6ABA1F837385-13715-0000111550845B90.jpg
The new fan
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/D7E39582-3446-423F-830D-3F41526BC9BE-13715-0000111564389FA1.jpg
Gave the bracket a clean up and coat of primer
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/80D04B1E-AFA0-4EF2-97AF-E15A06027C37-13715-000011156CBD5EAA.jpg
Whoops I spilt red paint on the bracket as I fitted it ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/D3F6D4A4-0A5F-4936-91C5-861A7D761ADB-13715-0000111577A7D277.jpg
Mr Raider
08-10-2012, 12:15
Colour co-ordinated fan bracket! lol :)
Decided to get on with pulling the 9 apart so I can see how bad the rust is and the news is worse than I thought.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/2D489303-CE99-405E-A7BC-240A1363AD77-3509-0000040C6EF1166B.jpg
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This is just the passenger side, the drivers side I'm sure wont be much better, safe to say both wings will need replacing aswell as the sills :( oh well the bits of them that aren't rotten will being perfect for patching the inner wings.
Theres plenty to keep you busy there mate keep us updated with progress i take it your planning on doin it
Yeah just a few spots need doing :/
Yep i planning on doing it myself, not the best motor to learn to weld on but hey it's all good fun
So this will be your first welding project then ?
So this will be your first welding project then ?
Yep, never welded before in my life, in at the deep end or what lol
Yep, never welded before in my life, in at the deep end or what lol
Hell of a learning curve lol where bouts in the country are you?
Hell of a learning curve lol where bouts in the country are you?
Just outside thetford in Norfolk. My neighbour knows how to weld an has done loads of different cars so ill blag some help off him
If you where closer i was going to offer you a hand but if you get stuck drop me a pm may be able to give you a couple of pointers
If you where closer i was going to offer you a hand but if you get stuck drop me a pm may be able to give you a couple of pointers
Much appricated fella :agree:
Spent a couple of hours cutting the rot out of the inner wing tonight, it'd be easier to replace the whole panel but you can't get them anymore so it's a patch up job :/
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/CA3FBD86-4F64-444F-A0B7-12E7791DF841-7152-0000082C9E00C4D7.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/C56AAD11-9D24-46E7-8CC8-D69E14792909-7152-0000082C8C06836F.jpg
TNT ANDY
12-10-2012, 19:14
:agree::agree::agree:
Keep another one alive chap
:agree::agree::agree:
Keep another one alive chap
Ill do my best, even though I've only had it what 6 months and its a beat up old bird with no power I've grown really attached to it.
I've been researching them on the net and there's next to no one with them any more, these things are as rear as rocking horse s**t and any that turn in half decent condition get broken for parts :( she may only be a lowly middle of the range GTL but its still an example of the breed
Had a good days graft on the passenger side inner wing and its now solid and rot free :)
The welding isn't pretty but it's stronger and there's all I care about
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/287EF460-1B6C-4684-ACE5-B1057AF9F786-8309-00000926AE49E56E.jpg
Good job that mate well done
TNT ANDY
14-10-2012, 16:14
Good work you ol tart.
I hid the pigeon **** welding really well if you think that's good work :D
Lol it looks ok mate how long did it take
Lol it looks ok mate how long did it take
All day Saturday, started at 8am, finished at 5pm, got quicker and better as I went along so hopefully the drivers side inner wing will go better.
All day Saturday, started at 8am, finished at 5pm, got quicker and better as I went along so hopefully the drivers side inner wing will go better.
How are u pointing the welder.are you pointing straight at it
How are u pointing the welder.are you pointing straight at it
At a little bit of angle, how is it supposed to be? I keep making holes too :(
Yea at an big angle if its thin and then dnt try and make a continues weld straight away tack it and move heat is ur worst enemy i think your doin well tho alot of people would of scrapped that and u have done it in a day
TNT ANDY
14-10-2012, 18:04
:agree::agree::agree:
Yea at an big angle if its thin and then dnt try and make a continues weld straight away tack it and move heat is ur worst enemy i think your doin well tho alot of people would of scrapped that and u have done it in a day
:agree::agree::agree:
Yea at an big angle if its thin and then dnt try and make a continues weld straight away tack it and move heat is ur worst enemy i think your doin well tho alot of people would of scrapped that and u have done it in a day
I was holding it about 45 degrees to the panel so that's about right then?
That's what I tried to do, at first I tried a continuos weld and just kept making a mess so I tacked it at the corners and then just tacked it abit at a time
Yea thats it mate its so tempting to try blast it to get it done but it just makes a mess when are you doin the other side ?
Yea thats it mate its so tempting to try blast it to get it done but it just makes a mess when are you doin the other side ?
I'm going to take the wing off and give a once over Tuesday night so I can see what needs doing
Tony Walker
14-10-2012, 19:47
Two pieces have to be very close preferably touching, so as your going you find you need to tap them together.
Two pieces have to be very close preferably touching, so as your going you find you need to tap them together.
Yep found that after making big holes in the solid bits :/
Tony Walker
14-10-2012, 20:25
:D also takes awhile to get the set sorted, too much power..... too much wire.... :scratch:
I agree tony it takes a while to get to know ur welder and u just gota practice practice practice
I agree tony it takes a while to get to know ur welder and u just gota practice practice practice
Wells that plenty need welding so ill get plenty of practice lol
Thanks for the tips guys
now you've opened a can of worms, but looks like your making progress. keep using it and do it a bit at a time or it will turn into a bit project. keep it tidy and your have the 9 lads wanting it off you in the future ;)
my 11 looked as tidy as your 9 until i started taking bits off to find similar, along with previous accidents to the front and rear :( i'll finish it one day though.
now you've opened a can of worms, but looks like your making progress. keep using it and do it a bit at a time or it will turn into a bit project. keep it tidy and your have the 9 lads wanting it off you in the future ;)
my 11 looked as tidy as your 9 until i started taking bits off to find similar, along with previous accidents to the front and rear :( i'll finish it one day though.
What 9 lads? According to the dvla there's next to none left :( something like 8no. 9turbos left and that's on and off the road :cry:
It's got no MOT at the minute as I knew she wouldn't pass with hand size holes in the sills, so it's a case of doing all the welding now and make her solid so when I do get her tested she won't need to come off the road again for any major repairs.
Drivers wing is off and here's what I found
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Epic amount of rust for a car thats just ran out of ticket. Its all fixable with the sparkly stick though:)
Epic amount of rust for a car thats just ran out of ticket. Its all fixable with the sparkly stick though:)
Mate you should see the sills, you can literally put your hand in them, how it got a ticket ill never know, I was half tempted to take it to the same garage for a MOT just to give more time to save up the cash for the repairs but after seeing how bad it was I'm glad I didnt
DaveL485
16-10-2012, 20:17
Gone in all the usual places and then some! Mine is due another blast with the welder too lol
Is there no where you can get a panal from mate
Is there no where you can get a panal from mate
I've gone through eBay, Renault, every local motor factors, over a dozen different parts supplies online and there zero chance of getting inner wings, to be fair I've sorted the passenger side ok, the drivers side is no worse so once I've done that its just the sills to do and get some new wings which Renault have in stock
TNT ANDY
16-10-2012, 21:31
It's gonna weigh some now Oli:cooter:
It's gonna weigh some now Oli:cooter:
I know, all these repairs will make the car slower :(
Guess ill just have to stick a more powerful engine in then ;)
It looks worse to me mate maybe just the photos oh and i take it by your reply theres defo no inner wings left then lol
youve ot some work ahead of you there mate, keep at it tho, youll have the welding perfected just as you finish haha, always the way. good luck dude
It looks worse to me mate maybe just the photos oh and i take it by your reply theres defo no inner wings left then lol
Nah it's just the pics mate
Nope no inner wings anywhere
youve ot some work ahead of you there mate, keep at it tho, youll have the welding perfected just as you finish haha, always the way. good luck dude
Tell me about it fella :D
Mr Raider
16-10-2012, 22:18
Mate you should see the sills, you can literally put your hand in them, how it got a ticket ill never know, I was half tempted to take it to the same garage for a MOT just to give more time to save up the cash for the repairs but after seeing how bad it was I'm glad I didnt
Looks bit crusty oily but nothing that you cant fix, so must of beern to 'stevie wonder's mot's last time lol Keep up the good work fella, ill wondering what the picture of the 9's sills will look like...
Given me something to think about taking the wings off shed 11 to check the state of my inner wings, after the mot! lol
TNT ANDY
17-10-2012, 06:34
I know, all these repairs will make the car slower :(
Guess ill just have to stick a more powerful engine in then ;)
:agree:
BIG boost!! BIG BOOST IPSWICH!! :cooter::D
Another day gone and the inner wing drivers side is now nice and solid again, woulda gone faster if I didn't run out of gas mid weld :rolleyes:
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Well done mate looking good
Cheers bud, just the sills to go and she'll be nice and solid again, I figure while I'm at ill underseal the whole car to be on the safe side
good progress mate! the state of the car looks sh*t comparing to my 9:scratch:
I guess it shows how bad these cars can get if there not looked after properly :crap:
I definatly think a good undersealing is in order lol
How much miles did yours have?
Mine made only 118tkm when i bought it so maybe that contributes to the somewhat better bodywork.
Mine only has visual rust but the underside is solid.
How much miles did yours have?
Mine made only 118tkm when i bought it so maybe that contributes to the somewhat better bodywork.
Mine only has visual rust but the underside is solid.
does your country use salt to get rid of ice?
Mine has 86000miles on the clock, I think half the trouble with mine is that it looks like it was never properly under sealed from new but then again it's French so it was never gunna last forever lol
Tony Walker
20-10-2012, 21:33
perhaps the preivous owner liked trips to the beach :D
does your country use salt to get rid of ice?
Unfortunately yes :crap:
My guess is the previous owner was gentle with. Ie not to abuse it in winters...
I F***ING HATE THE FRENCH, B****Y CHEESE EATING SURRENDER MONKEYS SHOULD BE BEATEN WITH THIER OWN BAGUETTE AT BIRTH.
Just been getting the anti roll bar off the 9, stupid frogs didn't half make it had work on these. The captive nut on the inner mount isn't fookin captive and there's feck all space to get to it :mad:
please don't kill your pc screen :laugh:
Mr Raider
29-10-2012, 22:35
I F***ING HATE THE FRENCH, B****Y CHEESE EATING SURRENDER MONKEYS SHOULD BE BEATEN WITH THIER OWN BAGUETTE AT BIRTH.
Just been getting the anti roll bar off the 9, stupid frogs didn't half make it had work on these. The captive nut on the inner mount isn't fookin captive and there's feck all space to get to it :mad:
lol yup, - had that on my 11, bit of a pain in the ass. Sick of anti-roll bar bushes and trying to find them, fingers crossed its all done before MOT on the 8th! :coffee:
A little less stressed than last time :crap: but at least progress is being made. The outer anti roll bar bushes are the same as clio 172 items so I've got some jobs for those, the inners I'm hoping will fit too but have to wait and see.
Both wishbones were bent so I've got new ones and at a pretty good price too. If all goes to plan they should all go back on Saturday morning and the 9 can finally drop back onto its wheels for abit while I wait for a slot in the chop shop to do the sills.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/C4CF09D4-29DD-40B4-A1BC-148BCF9E852B-2364-000002DC55AE0277.jpg
you bringing over to malcs again are you?
might be a while .... as im been waiting for the past week or so and as the saying goes first come first served;)
markey b
08-11-2012, 17:47
you bringing over to malcs again are you?
might be a while .... as im been waiting for the past week or so and as the saying goes first come first served;)
he's already in the queue for the CTD chop shop :laugh:
As butterbean says, it's booked in at the CTD chop shop :)
Been working on the 9 tonight with a fair amount of success :) the new wishbones and anti roll bar outer bushes are fitted, just need the new inner bushes to turn up and she'll be ready to drop back on to its wheels :)
Here's what the old outer bushes looked like, note the red insulation tape to take up the gap where the rubber has worn through, worrying as this car was maintained by a Renault stealership
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/C7DCC798-BEE5-4046-888B-28FAA205F19A-125-000000012AD9BC9A.jpg
New bushes in place
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/BBD0826E-2BFA-4A30-BBBE-CF9F1A4FC0C0-125-000000012FBABDC4.jpg
New wishbones on :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/9645EA8F-65DB-4C6A-B9EE-44ED1A2B1268-125-00000001359EE4E5.jpg
TNT ANDY
08-11-2012, 19:24
Beautiful when it starts coming together.
:agree::agree::agree:
Beautiful when it starts coming together.
:agree::agree::agree:
Mate it's so nice to be fitting clean parts that don't fight you to get them on :)
markey b
08-11-2012, 19:31
Solid discs ftw!
Solid discs ftw!
I know but there practically brand new, so are the pads, when they wear out ill fit vented 285 items to suit a gtt
Mr Raider
08-11-2012, 23:00
Good work Oli, am liking tin of wax oil under the bonnet! :D lol thinking I need to invest in set of outter anti roll bar bushes, did you find the ones on the 9 are slightly longer than gtt bushes?
Dunno, I'm using clio 172 items :)
Finally the new wings have arrived :)
Should have them fitted and have the front bumper refitted by Tuesday so it can get to the chop shop :)
Got board so I got the new wings loosely fitted :)
They look good and the fitment is damn near perfect, just abit of tweaking on the drivers side behind the indicator but I figured that may happen as the inner wing was the worst there.
How ever I now have a new problem, the new wings turned up with no cut outs for the side repeaters, do I leave them out and go for a nice smooth look down the side?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/23DA7C88-656A-491C-B61F-495C6FDA3AA3-13146-00000B6D2543EC70.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/4BD34111-84FF-427C-97C4-654BE79B1245-13146-00000B6D2EBEE89D.jpg
I'd say leave them out. Good progress mate!
Are the fenders still available new? Unfortunately i can only get one side here...
I'd say leave them out. Good progress mate!
Are the fenders still available new? Unfortunately i can only get one side here...
I was thinking that, might fit some simple led jobs in the wing mirrors.
Yep, apparently 50 in stock before I ordered my pair.
OE? What's the price?
Yep genuine Renault jobs, should be 75 each, I got discount ;)
Phoe! Crazy money! Although i'm not surprised!
Phoe! Crazy money! Although i'm not surprised!
I was amazed they even still had any. Shame that's pretty much all they had, apart from ph3 grills and boot spoilers
Expensive is better than not for sale :)
Expensive is better than not for sale :)
I guess so yeah, I'd be screwed if they didn't have them
Well could've find them aftermarket
Well could've find them aftermarket
I've used aftermarket jobs on another car and the fitment was crap, can't be arsed with spending hours making them fit
Penfold aka The Dealer
18-11-2012, 17:34
to be fair thats not a bad price... genuine is always a better fittment aswell.
to be fair thats not a bad price... genuine is always a better fittment aswell.
I got them less than that ;) handy being mates with the guys behind the parts desk
Penfold aka The Dealer
18-11-2012, 17:48
I got them less than that ;) handy being mates with the guys behind the parts desk
Trade + staff discount for me ;) :D
Trade + staff discount for me ;) :D
Nice, how much does that normally take off?
Penfold aka The Dealer
18-11-2012, 19:33
10-45% depends on the part really..
Plus if they find any old stock i normally get given it :)
Mr Raider
18-11-2012, 22:22
Niceone mate, looks like they fit well, am thinking about a new wing on my 11 if they have an offside one ;)
Niceone mate, looks like they fit well, am thinking about a new wing on my 11 if they have an offside one ;)
They should have mate, you'll be waiting a couple of weeks for them though :/
Are the aftermarket wings a good fit? My old ones were poor and miles out of line from the edge of the bonnet.
Are the aftermarket wings a good fit? My old ones were poor and miles out of line from the edge of the bonnet.
No idea on this mate, I didn't even try aftermarket, went straight for genuine Renault jobs
Got board of waiting for butterbean so I broke out the grinder and attacked the passenger side sill to see how bad it is and erm........
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/C254F6DD-AAAB-4BAF-B7A7-095E5569EF3C-3143-000003463B6AF1E8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/EDE42056-4FC9-4722-B1F3-51DF783A6BB6-3143-000003464375BE10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/74F8DDAA-7ACE-43CF-B483-387F9CB3702F-3143-0000034647D87221.jpg
Standard 9 rust lol
Looks like it :( why couldn't the frogs galvanise the shell's properly. Lazy work shy cheese eating surrender monkeys
They're French :laugh:
Lol really should stop abusing the French as we do have French member who might read this:rolleyes:
At least they can say the British motor industry was just as lazy
what would you rather have..... a metro or a renault 9 of the same vintage? - the metro's have mostly rusted to nothing!! good old Austin! :laugh:
dangerous dave
05-12-2012, 16:18
what would you rather have..... a metro or a renault 9 of the same vintage? - the metro's have mostly rusted to nothing!! good old Austin! :laugh:
i drove past a metro the other day...
http://allisonhibbard.com/images/pile_rust.jpg
i drove past a metro the other day...
http://allisonhibbard.com/images/pile_rust.jpg
PMSL :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Got some springs off a R19 16v thanks to Schakal for the 9.
Top is the 9 item, the bottom is the 19 item
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/B2BCD995-9BFA-4D34-A820-FCC00E3D2AA8-337-000000443437BBFF.jpg
All fitted the front end dropped 40mm. Still rock crawler spec though lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/79294B75-6F28-46F5-9C54-001E69416202-337-000000442C52E7D9.jpg
After a wasted day yesterday thanks to the muppets at halfrauds selling empty mig gas bottles:mad:
I got the passenger side sill chopped, welded and sealed, not pretty but it's solid
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/AC136919-B181-492B-9E71-B4B9E826F739-1335-0000015EA5864981.jpg
Got bored of staring at the old nasty plastic steering wheel in the 9, so I dug out the original wheel off the 5. Suits it well I think
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/BFED1142-6F40-4309-95CD-16DD8B867B0A-1601-0000017928645F1A.jpg
I have a gtt wheel in my 9 too. Feels much firmer than the thin, plastic original one.
Mr Raider
09-12-2012, 22:21
After a wasted day yesterday thanks to the muppets at halfrauds selling empty mig gas bottles:mad:
I got the passenger side sill chopped, welded and sealed, not pretty but it's solid
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/AC136919-B181-492B-9E71-B4B9E826F739-1335-0000015EA5864981.jpg
Good work Olski, looks a decent job mate :agree: :)
Erm:crap:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/B4BFD91C-545B-44E6-8340-765F7695A8CE-4947-000004B02791D81F.jpg
Ah theres abit of rust there :crap:
Looks a bit like the Metro above :laugh:
markey b
13-12-2012, 12:07
its pretty rusty! lol
oli isn't sure which red to paint match as there are a few variants.... on the same car! lol
Got all the rot cut out today
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/12CFA9BB-50D4-40CB-9015-900C56F3A12B-5711-00000646D485D643.jpg
Started the welding, got the inner sill and floor pan done before the gas ran out, so I moved onto tweaking the wings abit, because of the extensive repairs to the inner wings the new panels didn't quite sit right, a quick buzz with the grinder and both wings line up with the bonnet nicely.
Also drilled the wings for the side repeaters and then given the inside of the wings a coat of galvanised paint to reduce the chance of them rotting from the inside out.
Drivers side sill is now all fixed, thanks MarkyB for the help and the use of your unit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/24A2DE1F-55AA-4452-A5FF-27B2855286CA-6425-00000747F6BCE5AC.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/A0A2C623-D250-428B-8946-B7B0736DE930-6425-00000747FDDE592E.jpg
Once the seam sealer is dry the whole sill will get a coat of galvanising spray followed by wax oil, then it's flat the wings and paint.
After all that just put it all back together and she's ready for the mot
MOT time :/ typical the rear brakes decided to bind on this morning :(
Mr Raider
17-12-2012, 12:35
Doh! if you kept standing on brakes would they free off? - did it pass?! ;)
Doh! if you kept standing on brakes would they free off? - did it pass?! ;)
Was out early enough to get them free'd up so instead she overheated just before going on the ramp :(
Took her back at 2 for the test and she passed :) treated her to a fresh tank of go go juice and I'm now off to find a damp round about to drift round :)
TNT ANDY
17-12-2012, 19:21
:agree::agree::agree:
Good work Oli, it's great to get rid of the rot and then get an MOT, even if it is in the ol N/A beasty. Credit where credit is due, know one in the right mind would have fixed that piece of rotting poop.
:cooter:
TNT Tricky Nicky
17-12-2012, 19:25
Once the seam sealer is dry the whole sill will get a coat of galvanising spray followed by wax oil
Just a question but is that not the wrong order? Don't get me wrong, I don't know.
I would have thought you'd use a burn through primer, galvanizing spray, seam sealer paint and the wax oil inside?
Actually your way sees less intense/quicker :laugh:
Mr Raider
17-12-2012, 21:40
Hmmm personally seam sealer, anti rust primer coat, then (top paint coat maybe) underseal, wax oil inside :scratch:
:agree::agree::agree:
Good work Oli, it's great to get rid of the rot and then get an MOT, even if it is in the ol N/A beasty. Credit where credit is due, know one in the right mind would have fixed that piece of rotting poop.
:cooter:
Thanks fella, as I said before, there are so few of these left now I'd get shot if I let it die, she might be a lowly N/A 1.4 but she potential and character
TNT ANDY
18-12-2012, 06:47
I know where you're coming from chap:agree::agree:
Just a question but is that not the wrong order? Don't get me wrong, I don't know.
I would have thought you'd use a burn through primer, galvanizing spray, seam sealer paint and the wax oil inside?
Actually your way sees less intense/quicker :laugh:
I'd used galvanising spray inside, burn through first on the outside, seam sealer then galvanising spray to seal it all up and waxoil over the top as silver would look abit silly on the side of a red car where as black doesn't and more to the point I'm paranoid about it rusting again
I know where you're coming from chap:agree::agree:
Yep and if all goes to plan in the new year the little 1.4 n/a will be gone and replaced with something much more fun :)
Mr Raider
18-12-2012, 22:56
Yep and if all goes to plan in the new year the little 1.4 n/a will be gone and replaced with something much more fun :)
Little 1.4,- C1J ?!
Good work Oli keeping another 9 alive, bit of a labour of love however aint half rare old cars these days :agree: :cool:
Little 1.4,- C1J ?!
Good work Oli keeping another 9 alive, bit of a labour of love however aint half rare old cars these days :agree: :cool:
Hehe you'll just have to wait and see what's going in :)
In the mean time got off my arse today and removed the old solid front discs and calipers and fitted vented Gtt front discs and calipers :)
The fluid needs changing but for now I've just bleed them as I've gotta refurb the rear brakes and replace all the lines fairly soon.
Fitted a gearbox from a clio dci for the longer gearing, love it :) 70mph in 5th used to be 3500rpm, it's now 2500rpm, quite the difference. Just need to get the speedo working and ill be able to see the mpg difference
Mr Raider
29-01-2013, 07:54
Sounds like a good mod, 11's bit like that for high revs at 70, 80 mph :laugh: :agree:
Sounds like a good mod, 11's bit like that for high revs at 70, 80 mph :laugh: :agree:
It'll be better on yours to start with, I've only 68bhp (at best) to drag it along so in 5th it won't accelerate at all lol
Your turbo should make it perfectly usable
The old speakers in the 9 have been sounding ****e for ages and have needed changing.
Old on the left, new JBL GTO on the right, should do nicely :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/35CE0034-B40A-481B-9E99-09AB071D0B5A-30120-000023B99D033226.jpg
Because the 9 is going to be my grand tourer I wanted to make it nice and quite inside so I ordered 10 sheets of self adhesive sound deadening material, it took 8 sheets to do just the front doors :/ straight away the panels sound more solid when tapped.
At a guess I'm going to need another 30 sheets to do the rear doors, all the floor and underneath and behind the rear seats.
I took a DB reading at 70mph in 5th and got 89db :eek:, hopefully once I'm done it should be a lot less
Big Steve - Raider
30-01-2013, 19:25
You're going to need to Turbo it to keep the same performance with all that extra weight Ipswich! ;)
You're going to need to Turbo it to keep the same performance with all that extra weight Ipswich! ;)
Don't worry, I'm collecting parts for the engine swap I'm gunna do at the end of march, it'll have plenty of poke once that's done :D
Mr Raider
31-01-2013, 22:44
You're going to need to Turbo it to keep the same performance with all that extra weight Ipswich! ;)
Olski get a blower! :laugh: :smokin:
TNT ANDY
01-02-2013, 06:33
Fitted a gearbox from a clio dci for the longer gearing, love it :) 70mph in 5th used to be 3500rpm, it's now 2500rpm, quite the difference. Just need to get the speedo working and ill be able to see the mpg difference
LOL - you won't see any difference in MPG Ipswich. I made the fatal error of changing my Scooby's low ratio import box to a uk spec item for 2 reasons:-
1 - To make it more tolerable on the motorway. 4k @ 70mph not good, once done a better 3k
2 - To squeeze a little more mpg out of the horrendous 22mpg car - it made absolutely no difference. I assume that this is down to the fact that even though the RPM is lots lower, the work rate at that rpm has gone up. I would imagine that the relationship between rpm and work done is directly linea.
Made me Scooby slow and boring.
I've done fu*k all to the 9 of late apart from abuse it, so Saturday ill let MarkyB loose to fit the new alarm and link it to the central he fitted a few weeks back, all nice and secure now, thanks MrB :agree:
He also spotted some slack in throttle cable, got that sorted ASAP as every last bhp is golden as it has so little :)
The parts collection goes on for the new engine arrangement which will happen end of April :)
Thanks to Nick for supplying the new engine, got all the exhaust parts I need apart from a silencer, got the fuel pump, air filter and airbox. Just a few more parts to go :)
Mr Raider
18-03-2013, 12:15
I've done fu*k all to the 9 of late apart from abuse it, so Saturday ill let MarkyB loose to fit the new alarm and link it to the central he fitted a few weeks back, all nice and secure now, thanks MrB :agree:
He also spotted some slack in throttle cable, got that sorted ASAP as every last bhp is golden as it has so little :)
The parts collection goes on for the new engine arrangement which will happen end of April :)
Thanks to Nick for supplying the new engine, got all the exhaust parts I need apart from a silencer, got the fuel pump, air filter and airbox. Just a few more parts to go :)
What lump you putting in mate?
TNT ANDY
18-03-2013, 18:43
I've done fu*k all to the 9 of late apart from abuse it, so Saturday ill let MarkyB loose to fit the new alarm and link it to the central he fitted a few weeks back, all nice and secure now, thanks MrB :agree:
He also spotted some slack in throttle cable, got that sorted ASAP as every last bhp is golden as it has so little :)
The parts collection goes on for the new engine arrangement which will happen end of April :)
Thanks to Nick for supplying the new engine, got all the exhaust parts I need apart from a silencer, got the fuel pump, air filter and airbox. Just a few more parts to go :)
Pleeeeeeeees tell me its' wiv da boost?
Pleeeeeeeees tell me its' wiv da boost?
An f7p turbo maybe? ;)
TNT ANDY
18-03-2013, 20:36
An f7p turbo maybe? ;)
SpaFF:agree:
markey b
08-09-2013, 14:42
Isn't this thread due a slight update ;-)
Isn't this thread due a slight update ;-)
Soon it will ;)
I've been lax in keeping this thread up to date, very bad of me :(
A lot has changed since I last updated, the main thing being then engine swap, which was a rather large failure and resulted in a modified version of the original engine going back in.
I'd bought a second hand C1J turbo and with help from MrB got it fitted and running in a day, it nearly made it home as the turbo I'd bought which is been assured was a minter was actually a complete dog and dropped 8 litres of oil in the space of the 12 miles it took to get home.
After much searching I'd got a good turbo and all seemed well till an oil line split and the bottom end died on it's arse.
The only solution, the original C2J bottom end with a C1J turbo head. The current spec of the engine is standard C2J bottom end, C1J turn head, inlet, exhaust, 2" turbo back side exit exhaust, forge fmic and a JP Racing built carb.
It's not the fastest car in the world but it's a giggle and a few posh motors have been surprised by it, the guy in the Alfa GT was not happy lol :)
And now comes the bad points, it needs a new speedo cable, the paintwork is horrible and can't be saved and I haven't got round to fitting the new rear seats to match the R11 turbo front seats I'd fitted.
I would love to through money at this car and get it mint but I'll be honest, I have neither time or money to do so. Because of this I think it's for the best I find her a new owner who can give her the love she rightly deserves.
Mr Raider
12-06-2014, 22:14
Any pics Ols? sounds like its come a fair way since you bought it, know what you mean trying to find time/money for it as its like that with the 11, - progress is so slow! :ashamed:
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