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philr5t
23-02-2012, 21:23
tomorrow im ordering a quaife atb helical diff for the 5 box and can get it for £980 inc vat and postage does anyone know if these can be found any cheaper if so would be great if you could tell me where before i order this one cheers all

phil :)
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
23-02-2012, 21:39
Not a bad price for a brand new one...if thats inclusive of vat and postage.
Make sure you get paperwork with it, so you get the lifetime guarantee.

Bit extreme but people do this to them....just in case.
5teve L
23-02-2012, 22:17
Thats a good price mate, when I was looking they all wanted over a grand, TBH i didn't try any haggling, was just getting internet prices.
philr5t
23-02-2012, 22:43
Not a bad price for a brand new one...if thats inclusive of vat and postage.
Make sure you get paperwork with it, so you get the lifetime guarantee.

Bit extreme but people do this to them....just in case.

yes that price includes p+p and vat i have a contact in demon tweeks but the best he could do was a 5% discount then i found a helpful company who beat demons deal to get to this price

in regards to the lifetime guarantee would it be invalid if the diff was welded up ?
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
23-02-2012, 22:45
Probably invalidates it yes....:(

Have you tried Quaife directly? sometimes if you get the right person and offer a cash deal....???
philr5t
23-02-2012, 23:19
Probably invalidates it yes....:(

Have you tried Quaife directly? sometimes if you get the right person and offer a cash deal....???

i tried them matt but they wouldnt budge on price and they themselves told me to go to a trader/retailer who sell there product as they said they would be able to do a deal but they couldnt bit stupid really imo:scratch:
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
23-02-2012, 23:23
Good old Quaife:sad2:

Sounds like you need a gripper diff then?:laugh:
ranj
23-02-2012, 23:42
How much will it cost to have the diff fitted into your gearbox or you doing it yourself mate ?
philr5t
24-02-2012, 21:03
Ordered the quaife LSD today :) so I should have it Wednesday and hopefully will have it fitted as well on Wednesday I work for vw so one of the head technicians is going to sling it in for me for a drink :agree:

Cheers for peoples inputs in this much appreciated

Phil
Alastair
24-02-2012, 21:10
Check for cracks in the teeth when you strip the box, and iirc you need to grind a bit of the internal casing off to get it in...!

Oh and change the shaft oil seals for sure while it is in bits!

You will be amazed the difference it makes.

Al
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
25-02-2012, 07:10
Get your chap to renew the gear change seal, as it would be a ball ache to find it leaks after fitting the diff. (another strip down!).
Fitting it for a drink!?! You lucky beggar! ;)
Scoff
25-02-2012, 14:53
Probably invalidates it yes....:(

Have you tried Quaife directly? sometimes if you get the right person and offer a cash deal....???

I tried that once, what a bunch of rude and unhelpfull soles they were. I could import a Quaife from the USA, pay import and VAT and still be cheaper than the 5% discount they offered me.
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
25-02-2012, 16:14
:laugh:
You must have spoken to Nick or another chap we used to call 'Lugs', try talking to Matt Simmonds, he is more 'human'.....:crap:
bod 182
25-02-2012, 17:19
tomorrow im ordering a quaife atb helical diff for the 5 box and can get it for £980 inc vat and postage does anyone know if these can be found any cheaper if so would be great if you could tell me where before i order this one cheers all

phil :)
Thats what i paid:)
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
03-03-2012, 20:18
Couple of pics for you Phil.

To be continued......;)

Took nearly 20 tons to shift the crown wheel off an old diff.
Old vs New.
philr5t
03-03-2012, 21:03
Couple of pics for you Phil.

To be continued......;)

Took nearly 20 tons to shift the crown wheel off an old diff.
Old vs New.

Cheers for the pictures Matt nice to see more progress and looking forward to getting it back now and I would also like to say a big thank you for all your help advice and assistance over the phone what a nice clever chap to deal with :agree:
Alastair
03-03-2012, 21:07
Cheers for the pictures Matt nice to see more progress and looking forward to getting it back now and I would also like to say a big thank you for all your help advice and assistance over the phone what a nice clever chap to deal with :agree:

Matt @ CodeRed = top bloke

I'll second that. If i needed racing setup / advice i would go to him!
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
03-03-2012, 21:31
Few more ...
All casing bolts loosened and light separation of casing.
5th gear detent removed.
5th gear casing removed.
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
03-03-2012, 21:35
Then....
Yucky silicon.
Bracing and driving out 5th selector pin.
Removing 5th gear set nuts/bolts.
Ricardo
03-03-2012, 21:38
Matt @ CodeRed = top bloke

I'll second that. If i needed racing setup / advice i would go to him!

:agree: :cool:

Just like ol whitey, my new purchase will also be worked on by Code Red :)
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
03-03-2012, 21:39
Also...
Remove 5th gear set.
Retain the balls, magnet handy!!
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
03-03-2012, 21:43
......carrying on.
Use dummy rods to retain balls and springs.
Shafts removed.
Paper towel to retain change lock outs.
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
03-03-2012, 21:45
Finally!
oil seal removed to show diff nut.
Big socket!
Diff can be removed.;)
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
03-03-2012, 21:57
......carrying on.
Use dummy rods to retain balls and springs.
Shafts removed.
Paper towel to retain change lock outs.


Sorry! one photo I forgot!
Drive out the selector fork pin, but you MUST counter hold the change rod, so the fork doesn't stress against the hub otherwise the fork can shatter.
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
03-03-2012, 21:58
And she is out!!:smokin:
philr5t
03-03-2012, 22:39
Fantastic work Matt and thanks again how does my origional diff seem :agree:
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
03-03-2012, 22:44
Internally not too bad in the gearbox, bit furry around the magnet...:D
I'll make a list of bits and pm you on monday evening.

Thanks for the kind words too chaps.:ashamed:
olidaviesuk
04-03-2012, 00:30
As far as building Renault engines and gearboxes for racing etc, Matts forgotten more than the rest of us have learnt in the last 20 years. You're in very safe hands mate! :D
Scoff
04-03-2012, 00:41
That would make a good article matt, not many people get that involved with gearboxes :)

You know the slotted/holed ring that the speedo sensor looks at, can you tell me how many holes there are in it ?
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
04-03-2012, 00:58
I'll have a look in the morning Chris.

Hehe! Nice one Oli!! Your saying I'm old and forgetful? ;) .The starlet head is finally clean! Took two days of soaking.:eek:
Hopefully Scott and Barns will have as much fun in these things as the celicas.
philr5t
04-03-2012, 01:02
As far as building Renault engines and gearboxes for racing etc, Matts forgotten more than the rest of us have learnt in the last 20 years. You're in very safe hands mate! :D

Cheers oli i had a feeling Matt may have played about with shed liads of renaults before with his background and the fact his garage is like aladins cave :)
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
04-03-2012, 17:19
That would make a good article matt, not many people get that involved with gearboxes :)

You know the slotted/holed ring that the speedo sensor looks at, can you tell me how many holes there are in it ?

12 holes Chris
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
13-03-2012, 22:03
OK so, carrying on from last time.
Crown wheel machined and pressed onto Quaife diff.
Quaife supply two balls and a plan/drawing to get the crown wheel machined to accept them.
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
13-03-2012, 22:07
Next is to assemble the parts ready to go into the casings.
Bearings pressed on.
Speedo pickup.
Old diff Vs new item.
Preload shim.
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
13-03-2012, 22:12
Time to get the diff into the bell housing half of the casing.
Diff in the casing and bearings lubed and assembled.
Diff nut, degreased, touch of loctite. Done up and check the diff for high spots.
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
13-03-2012, 22:17
Time to assemble the rest of the parts onto the casing.
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
13-03-2012, 22:20
While the box was apart I advised Phil had the change mech seal changed. If this leaks it a bit of a pain to renew.
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
13-03-2012, 22:25
Next it was time to assemble the two casings.
A spot of sealant.
A tool was made to lift the reverse idler gear to allow the box halves to contact.
Then the reverse detent assembled and fitted to hold reverse in place.
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
13-03-2012, 22:30
Then test the gear mechs. Advise a couple of casing bolts wound into the casing.
Then 5th gear spring fitted with a touch of sealant.
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
13-03-2012, 22:38
Then 5th gearset fitted, end casing and a finishing touch.
philr5t
14-03-2012, 00:28
Fantastic work and a great strip down and build thread Matt many thanks for all your work look forward to picking the box up tomorrow night mate again a massive thanks

Phil :agree:
chipis
14-03-2012, 08:33
do quaife manufacture diffs for renault r11 five speed gerabox? maybe anyone knows where can i find it? because on quaife website they dont have anything about 5 or 11 renaults