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My handling is dog s***e,, mainly cos my steering wanders off on its on, when the road is uneven. For some reason,, when the car is left still for say a couple of weeks, soon as i drive it its ok. But then after an hour of driving,, i get a lot of wandering off on uneven surfaces. Seems to go fairly straight in a straight line when road is flat.
I changed wishbones and rod ends a few years ago (from eurocar parts) but someone told me the rubber they use in their bushes are rubbish and mess up after time. Not sure if thats true.
The car likes to wander off more occasionally to the left. Not sure if its in my head either but, i think its 'slightly' harder to turn right than left.
Can anyone tell me the parts i should change or check,, anything that effects steering,, (apart from tyres, springs and shocks, those are fine)
Steering column bushes maybe
dont think so. Js to mention, there is no play in my steering. Soon as i move the steering wheel, the wheels move..
Steering rack mount loose
Steering rack mount loose
ahhh... this could cause what im describing? cos i think i remember my brother saying he couldnt bolt the steering rack properly or somthing. Was a couple of years ago. :ashamed:
Best you jack up the front, whack some axle stands under it and break out the spanners then
I really cant be bothered!! Ive spent the last few days in the cold under the car, sorting my tank out!!! Im fed up of gettin dirty and im not feelin so good nowadays, think im gna js tell someone to look at it for me :laugh:
If theres anyone in NW london who wants to help for some monies :coffee: please let me know,, else i'l js take it to my local mechanic..
I know how ya feel fella, repairing these cars never seems to end :(
It's only 4 bolts, worse case scenario you have to drill out the old jobs and pop in some new ones
I know how ya feel fella, repairing these cars never seems to end :(
It's only 4 bolts, worse case scenario you have to drill out the old jobs and pop in some new ones
tell me about it! silly buggers. But seriously,, i cant be asked id rather pay someone to js do this. Im not in the mood :o had enuf of rust and dirt falling in my eye for now.
Lol yeah it's not a good thing
think its important to get it all checked if you cant be assed,bearings,ball joints,track rod ends,how old is it all?
michael tierney
03-01-2012, 21:52
tyre pressures,tyre AGE,tyre thread dept(unequal for oppoite sides)front and rear!!
think its important to get it all checked if you cant be assed,bearings,ball joints,track rod ends,how old is it all?
couple of years. how long do they normally last?
not tyres... good tread, even psi all round.
Tony Walker
03-01-2012, 23:17
Ive seen a few cars where the top mount bearings are partially sticking on one side and this causes the car to veer off in one direction and can feel stiffer one way than the other.(when the load transfers on to the goosed bearing)
Ive seen a few cars where the top mount bearings are partially sticking on one side and this causes the car to veer off in one direction and can feel stiffer one way than the other.(when the load transfers on to the goosed bearing)
you talking about the rubber doughnut looking things? I saw one of those slightly sticking out when i jacked the car up once.. so i tried to stuff it back.. should i change them? where can i get those from?
also,,, i have coilovers,, but i changed the springs on them,, and they are too short,, but i dont have helper springs. Could this cause the doughnuts to come out of place?
and.. what do you mean by 'partially sticking' how do you resolve this?
Tony Walker
04-01-2012, 00:00
the bearings are metal round things with bearings inside lol look at the pic, these should still be fitted with coilovers, its a pain when jacking up without helper springs but they usually seat back together ok. dificult to say without looking.
the bearings are metal round things with bearings inside lol look at the pic, these should still be fitted with coilovers, its a pain when jacking up without helper springs but they usually seat back together ok. dificult to say without looking.
where can i get some of these from??
I would say its some bushes somewhere, if it ok for the first mile or 10mins etc the rubbers have not warmed up yet, i have had problems with my wishbone bushes, i had not tacked them in and the car would dive to the left under braking, tacked them in and it solved the problem. 1 track day and its doing it again, im going to have a look soon but i know the tacks have broken.
They are a bloody pain these cars :)
phil
Alastair
04-01-2012, 09:05
the bearings are metal round things with bearings inside lol look at the pic, these should still be fitted with coilovers, its a pain when jacking up without helper springs but they usually seat back together ok. dificult to say without looking.
Helper springs are v cheap, call avo and they will post you some out. MOT fail without (officially but i always got away with it).
I would say its some bushes somewhere, if it ok for the first mile or 10mins etc the rubbers have not warmed up yet, i have had problems with my wishbone bushes, i had not tacked them in and the car would dive to the left under braking, tacked them in and it solved the problem. 1 track day and its doing it again, im going to have a look soon but i know the tacks have broken.
They are a bloody pain these cars :)
phil
what are you refering to when you say you tacked them in? rubber dougnut things?
ps... springs seem to be reseating ok without helpers,, but i could get some.
what are you refering to when you say you tacked them in? rubber dougnut things?
ps... springs seem to be reseating ok without helpers,, but i could get some.
Wishbone bushes, my pollys have an outer metal sleeve that is suppost to be tack welded with the wishbone :)
oh right. Dont think i need to do that to mine. They js have the bushes that came with the wishbone.
the bearings are metal round things with bearings inside lol look at the pic, these should still be fitted with coilovers, its a pain when jacking up without helper springs but they usually seat back together ok. dificult to say without looking.
can someone let me know where i can get these from.
Thanks.
SCHWARTZ
04-01-2012, 14:07
mike.
:agree:Thanks for your help everyone :)
I got my mine from renault, about £20 each, search on Ashys posts i gave him the part no :)
can someone let me know where i can get these from.
Thanks.
that kind of thing you can get hold of from a local motor factors for not a lot of £'s
:)
Jeff Ninebar
05-01-2012, 16:44
My handling is dog s***e,, mainly cos my steering wanders off on its on, when the road is uneven. For some reason,, when the car is left still for say a couple of weeks, soon as i drive it its ok. But then after an hour of driving,, i get a lot of wandering off on uneven surfaces. Seems to go fairly straight in a straight line when road is flat.
I changed wishbones and rod ends a few years ago (from eurocar parts) but someone told me the rubber they use in their bushes are rubbish and mess up after time. Not sure if thats true.
The car likes to wander off more occasionally to the left. Not sure if its in my head either but, i think its 'slightly' harder to turn right than left.
Can anyone tell me the parts i should change or check,, anything that effects steering,, (apart from tyres, springs and shocks, those are fine)
This is exactly the problem I am having, I investigated my steering components and found that the inner ball joint on the Tie rod (under the rubber boot) on the offside has a few mm of play in it and all the other ball joints are very slack, wishbone bushes are also a bit worn. I've got a new set wishbones and tie rods to fit once I cut the seized wishbone bolts off, so I can let you know if it changes for the better when done :)
I think I'm right in that with play on one side of the inner ball joints it will change the tracking on one side, the wheel can get pushed back by the road and into the ball joint, meaning that wheel is pointing outwards more than the other, making it harder to turn one way and then easier the other as the steering pulls the ball joint the other way and the tracking changes so the wheel is pointing in more.
Jeff Ninebar
09-01-2012, 11:39
I replaced all the steering parts over the weekend and it has sorted the problems I was having out, steering no longer gets pulled over by bad roads and fees much smoother and firmer I need to get the tracking done professionaly as I could only eye it but its much better already.
I changed Wishbones and bottom ball joint, tie rod assembly including both ball joints.
where did you get your wishbones from? and how much? i dont really wanna get them from eurocarparts.
and whats tie rod assembly? track rod ends?
Jeff Ninebar
10-01-2012, 13:59
I ordered all the parts from a seller on ebay called mjd128, they sell parts from a supplier called Firstline. You can use the link to the Firstline website on the ebay listing to check the part numbers etc.
The tie rod assembly includes the upper ball joint, tie rod and track rod end ball joint.
Put these part numbers into the ebay search bar:
FCA 5623 LH Wishbone Complete
FCA 5624 RH Wishbone Complete
FDL 6050 Tie Rod Assembly (you need two of these, LH and RH, they are the same)
FSG 3057 Rubber Boot kit
Total cost was about £130 inc post.
Took me two days to change it all including waiting for some paint to dry on the sub frame over night.
I had to cut the rear wishbone mounting bolts off with an angle grinder, so it may be worth ordering some new ones from CGB or someone else, as they sent me the wrong size :confused: so I had to use the old bolt on the front mount and the new on the back with an extra washer...
You'll need a set of stillsons to get the upper ball joint out the steering rack, also buy some copper ease grease for assembly.
hope this helps:)
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