View Full Version : ebay turbo 2 maxi arches my arse
steer from the rear
21-12-2011, 21:04
found this bag of bolts on ebay was thinking ooooooo gonna have a bid till i read the description lmao
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RENAULT-5-TURBO-2-HOMOLOGATION-CAR-8221-CHASSIS-NUMBER-RESTORATION-PROJECT-/120832358228?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c222b7754
them arches are not maxi arches the fronts look like copys or cut originals as this is a maxi arch:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miniokpet/6070978161/in/photostream/
and rear maxi arches had a diffrent vent and were some thing like 4 inches wider:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/miniokpet/6070976315/in/photostream/
so really he should relist it as a rusty old turbo 2 that should be broken up for a spair engine and i seriously doubt the gear box is a maxi the distinguishing feature is its alloy...............what else they gonna make a un1 casing out of cast lol
he goes on about 8220's for 50 grand...........there kept in a bubble this was kept in a barn. estimates people...... 7-8 grand final price
i reckon it will go for £10k.
think about it.
engine rebuild will be about £600
turbo rebuild another £350
bodyshop to sort the rust and repaint £2-3k
then sell for.....
£25k - £30k?
sounds like a good return to me....
What Sort Of Price Do You Think Its Worth Thanks Glenn
listed as right hand drive, 1985 too. aren't the alloy panel ones turbo 1's?
i think the seller is also saying that the gearbox will be sold separately, so presumeably will be removed bofore collection ??
the bumpers dont look right, like they're off a different car and the o/s/r wing looks really warped.
think it needs alot more spending than that tho to get anywhere near the re sale price of 30k, the whole thing wants everything stripping off and re-building inc rear arches. anything metal looks quite rusty so bound to need a load of daft bits too along with all the usual service bits. recon ya nearer to 6k for the restoration without replacing any really expensive rare parts.
pretty sure any bidders above 5k wont fall for the usaul 'rare this that and the other' and will know better and see it as a tatty t2.
me personally 6k, as your getting into v6 clio territory then but no more than 8k for a none runner, engine and turbo could be scrap and without knowing why it was just parked up and left to rot you just takin a chance. like gtt's in that condition they are generally only parked up and left when its broke lol
still, nice project none the less,
I asked my dog and even he said its RUFF *LOL*
OMG how bad is that car
its lhd as you can see the steering column and brake servo, so the guys taken his time doing the listing...... NOT
Russ, those front wings are TDC not maxi, and they where an option for the 8221. There's something really really bad going on with those rear arches tho
I'm sure its the car that was in the Isle of Man....... As I've not seen many with the wing mirrors like that, as most 8221's have either standard gordini mirrors or the proper tiny tiny maxi wing mirrors. plus not all of the 8221's have the alloy roof! better get the magnet out!
oh but if it is the Isle of Man car.........that was in a field for 2 years, so it will be rotten, and I think it ended up in the field backwards! LMFAO!!!
it might have the steel liner engine, but everything else about the engine looks standard, 421 manifold, 165 dissy, 165 intercooler, so as its been standing, the piston and liners are prob knackered anyway!
I thought the same as Russ... oohh might have a punt, but just looking at it, its good for parts unless you're feeling ££££ and you really want to put it back on the road.
So looking quickly its as Sparkie says: engine rebuild, turbo rebuild, he's not selling it with the 'maxi' gearbox, (actually it will be the tour de course, which is the same as std just a factory LSD), needs need brakes (LMFAO good luck), wishbones (can you speak french and have £££££££) and then you'll have to start on the rust :scared: and body work,
if you're paying for the work........................£15K to make it mint?? plus what you're buying the car for, for that money, you can get a nice std car if you look hard.
I'll keep my money thanks! (and i've bought some crap in my time! LMFAO)
http://rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=23314
mmmmm can someone make that picure bigger????? different wheels but looks very very similar and that will be the one I'm thinking about.......IOM Gurnsey, I was close:wasntme:
steer from the rear
22-12-2011, 05:50
haz ur right about the alloy pannels a turbo 1 is alloy roof and doors from memory and a fancy inside (crazy seats and dash)
this is a turbo 2 (gordini inside) but a limited run.
as for 25-30k if it had every piece of paper since the dawn of time yes
and we all know some fool will buy it and go ahhh ive a million pound car lets take it to some one who charges a million to fix it..........."mr J" SOME 20,000 QUID LATER it might be a hlaf decent turbo2 :laugh:
but as for some one buying it and doing it on the cheap...........nahhhh not gonna happen, you know who hard parts are to get even if you can fill half the engine with gtturbo bits ;)
Alastair
22-12-2011, 09:32
I really want this, might go and see the bank manager... My GTT was in a worse state, although I might have to buy a Dini for spares to convert to RHD. I don't see why you wouldn't want a RHD conversion if your going to keep it and actually use it in the uk!
Very tempted!
If I remember correctly the RHD converted cars didnt use the same ratio steering rack.
I think the owner of that car used to be a member on here a few years ago he had an Anglia with a cosworth engine fitted and a few other toys.
That looks to have disaster written all over it :sad2:
£20k to get mint, plus buying the car, plus the spectre that you might never really know exactly what it is you've bought (and therefore whether it was ever worth the money). :disagree:
I really want this, might go and see the bank manager... My GTT was in a worse state, although I might have to buy a Dini for spares to convert to RHD. I don't see why you wouldn't want a RHD conversion if your going to keep it and actually use it in the uk!
Very tempted!
cos dini's are nearly as rare, and to chop one up nowadays would be sacrilege. lhd isnt that bad and you get used to it quickly...
steer from the rear
22-12-2011, 16:48
cos dini's are nearly as rare, and to chop one up nowadays would be sacrilege. lhd isnt that bad and you get used to it quickly...
lhd is ace nothing like seeing down the inside of the car in front to overtake and ****ting the passenger up as you pull out :sad:
Tempted to go and have a butchers at this tomorrow lads..! Got nowt else on as the company I worked for went into liquidation the other week, gotta keep myself busy! ;)
He says he's had an offer of £10k though...:crap: Sounds a bit strong to me.
300 mile round trip too!
Tony Walker
22-12-2011, 23:37
take some pics of the best/worst bits for us all if you decide to go :D
Alastair
23-12-2011, 14:01
Yeah post some pics up mate, i wouldn't go near 10k for it. 6k is about right (with the gearbox 6.5k)...
Yeah post some pics up mate, i wouldn't go near 10k for it. 6k is about right (with the gearbox 6.5k)...
without the gearbox its worthless as its just a rotten turbo 2 shell that has an oval plate that starts 8221 instead of 8220
i still reckon itll go for more than 6k.
when was the last time you saw one that needed work coming up for sale for reasonablish money?
oh yeah! of couse it will, and then it will be like that red t2 that did the rounds a few years ago
think it was sold for 6k or 7k a few times, 10k was spent with "HIM" and then it was parked up as the guy ran out of money and eventually it was broke and scrapped!
dont you think it looks like its got damage to the nearside front wing/headlamp?
mmmmm that or the metal has popped off the wing due to rust, and apart from major surgery, you'll have to bodge it back on or buy new wings, and don't listen to that guy on ebay, as std turbo 2 wings ARE available from renault, as the ones he has are the ones I bought from renault when he bought my from blot, and never sold on! plus they are cheaper from renault! LOL
I'm still worried about those rear arches tho, they look like they are packed with newspaper and weetabix
steer from the rear
23-12-2011, 23:50
seeing as its got 7 days and is gathering cash fast i think hes bidding it up with another acount?:scared:
Well I spent all day in the pub so didn't go.... 10k is way over the top for that. That chassis isn't far off a scrapper I reckon (and may well still be), it'll need sills, floors, chassis members etc and then starts not being an original car. The geezer says its got the full paperwork, but still.. end of the day its a Renault 5.
Nice project, but in reality a pipe dream. Shame... :)
Well she's up too £6.2k and still going :cool:
steer from the rear
24-12-2011, 14:06
its a rust bucket its got no tax or mot and is falling to bits bet hes buying it back lol
One of the RAOC lads has seen it in the flesh .
'yes i have looked at this car probally the rustiest one i have ever seen easier and cheaper to reshell i will have a bid though as i have a lovely rust free shell hidden away '
the one in Mark Wick's (maximan) garden is rustier i bet, or the one that somone tried to offload on moggy a few years ago (with a 21 turbo lump in it???) - now that was RUSTY!
the one in Mark Wick's (maximan) garden is rustier i bet, or the one that somone tried to offload on moggy a few years ago (with a 21 turbo lump in it???) - now that was RUSTY!
ohhh that white one! i forgot about that one!
na the red one i went to see with Roger the dodger was worse than that one
the one in mark wick's garden...
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/154977_461617575935_641145935_6051800_4821793_n.jp g
:laugh:
It was him that has seen the ebay car ..Perhaps he protest too much :coffee:
steer from the rear
24-12-2011, 23:00
Ha ha ha maxi man tried to sell me that shell for 7.5 and the bits to put it bk on the road 5 years ago and as moggy said to me at silverstone I'd be for ever buying bits off him to finish it
And as for the one on ebay........10GRAND NEARLY WTF!!!!!!!! I've seen tax and tested ones go for this. Ever get the feeling it will be relisted many many times due to time wasters
:laugh:
It was him that has seen the ebay car ..Perhaps he protest too much :coffee:
he is known for getting cars cheap.... maybe he had designs on this one. :laugh:
And as for the one on ebay........10GRAND NEARLY WTF!!!!!!!! I've seen tax and tested ones go for this. Ever get the feeling it will be relisted many many times due to time wasters
when and where have you seen tax and tested ones go for £10k?
not in the last 5 years thats for sure....
like i said in the 2nd post in this thread, it'd go for £10k at least......
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C269783
mmmmmm
well a cheap flight, a big wad of cash and a nicer car
SORTED
right what did I do with that lottery ticket
Its at £11,200 at the mo with 6 days to go... If it were a genuine auction why would anyone be bidding it up that much this early on...
Its at £11,200 at the mo with 6 days to go... If it were a genuine auction why would anyone be bidding it up that much this early on...
He's prob got his mates to bid it up for him
omg thats shocking at how much its up to
This listing (120832358228) has been removed, or this item is not available.
Hmm, wasn't it up to £20k last night or something rediculous?!!!!:eek:
steer from the rear
29-12-2011, 11:38
Nothing like fraudulent listing being removed from eBay lmao
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RENAULT-5-TURBO-2-HOMOLOGATION-CAR-8221-CHASSIS-NUMBER-RESTORATION-PROJECT-/120835517597?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c225bac9d
its back on
steer from the rear
29-12-2011, 12:19
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RENAULT-5-TURBO-2-HOMOLOGATION-CAR-8221-CHASSIS-NUMBER-RESTORATION-PROJECT-/120835517597?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c225bac9d
its back on
I was trying to copy the URL on my iPhone but you posted the link and in that time it jumped up 3 grand !!!!
back up to £10k now!!! ;)
i reckon it will go for £10k.
think about it.
engine rebuild will be about £600
turbo rebuild another £350
bodyshop to sort the rust and repaint £2-3k
then sell for.....
£25k - £30k?
sounds like a good return to me....
i dont think folk no what it is...id say it be worth nearer 80'000 if totally restored..
:)
i dont think folk no what it is...id say it be worth nearer 80'000 if totally restored..
:)
LMFAO
get real please!
he's taking the factory fitted gearbox that SHOULD be in the car out,
so basically you're buying a set of vin tags.
he hasnt' confirmed if it has the ally roof, and I've seen a few and not everyone has it. he 'says' the engine has work but its still running a 165 (std) intercooler and dissy
I'd take a nice 8220 any day of the week.
infact
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Opel-Manta-i200-1984-rare-modern-classic-homologation-special-/170754606591?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27c1c485ff
and i'd drive sideways around a turbo 2 giving it the bird :wasntme:
jesus in the seat of a 5
29-12-2011, 21:16
infact
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Opel-Manta-i200-1984-rare-modern-classic-homologation-special-/170754606591?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27c1c485ff
and i'd drive sideways around a turbo 2 giving it the bird :wasntme:
fantastic qoute....:agree::laugh:.. spot on.
fantastic qoute....:agree::laugh:.. spot on.
LOL well I've had 2 and don't get me wrong they are amazing cars
but a Gtt in the right hands on the road would own a T2
plus in a gtt you're not sitting there thinking....... if I get this wrong this car is going to be a coffee table as its gonna cost wayyyyyy too much money to sort it out
steer from the rear
29-12-2011, 23:05
LOL well I've had 2 and don't get me wrong they are amazing cars
but a Gtt in the right hands on the road would own a T2
plus in a gtt you're not sitting there thinking....... if I get this wrong this car is going to be a coffee table as its gonna cost wayyyyyy too much money to sort it out
Lol every where I went and there was a large open space it was kick the clutch time, but then ur there goin "I wonder how many 1000's this clutch is gonna cost me" :wasntme: fun times :cry:
but a Gtt in the right hands on the road would own a T2
i'm not sure about that matey, my t2 felt well planted and did go round corners quite well, enough to pull away from Ron in a GTT on a road he knew and i didnt. having said that the tyres i had on it might have helped - 285 rears...
but the expense thing is definately a bottom clencher. as russell said - clutch anyone? :laugh:
15200
LMFAO lets hope its a real buyer and then the seller can laugh all the way to the bank
On a serious note guys, how much is this thing worth in its current state? It looks like a sack of **** to me but I can imagine it being worth £££ if restored. Question for me is..... Is it too far gone??
Tony Walker
02-01-2012, 10:12
i think to restore it there'l be loads of parts not available and people selling at a premium, i think itll take alonggggggggggggggg time to find all the bits too, its not going to be a quick turnaround. I really cant believe how much it sold for.
the last 8221 road car I saw for sale was the ex radbourne rhd demo car. interior was a bit :scared: in a nice cream leather, but I think that went for 15k ish maybe a bit more! it was on the road, with the 1419cc engine and a folder of history that needed a van to move it!
:scratch:
well that Red Turbo 1 thats always on ebay won't sell for that price
the race car with spare MIGHT sell, but where are you gonna race it, prob best to buy it and turn the spare shell into a road car and quickly
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3054941.htm at 36k mmmmm if you want a mint one?? well If i had the money in my pocket and nothing to spent it on I think it would live in the living room!
I think for a MINT road car with a history file be it a 8220 or 8221 you're looking at 20-30k
oh and incase anyone wondered what happened to the one that wason autotrader for 4 years and not sold
http://www.gtoengineering.com/car-details.php?id=2
so guess thats the other Turbo 2 he talks about that has the wrong side stickers, and looks like its had more people looking at it than driving it!
You can still get most parts, due to the cult status over in France. Would cost abit though...
The one at GTO- was that the one being sold by wayside garage in norwich for £25k a few years ago?
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
02-01-2012, 19:44
Probably easier to put back together than this.....:crap:
mmmm doubt it!!!
my mate had a intergrale and nearly every part was available from Fiat! and at a fair price.
if you can find someone that can use the 'old' imac in a dealer (if they still have it) that has the turbo 2 parts fische on, and then they check the part numbers there's a good chance the numbers have never been put into the UK parts system. Then Reno uk have to email france, or if it has a 60xx part number, just order it from renault sport dieppe and wait for the fax to come back with 'the bird' drawn on it!!!:wasntme:
so then its off to a French specialist who will call you 'rost beef' at every chance he gets, thats if he can wake up from his sleep to answer an email
aahhhh oohhhh how I miss those days!
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
I'm restoring a 8221 currently and I can tell you that some of the parts if you want originals are becoming impossible to find. :(
I'm still looking for a cold start, drive shafts and the correct coloured steering column surround, if you know of these parts please let me know. :cool:
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
I'm restoring a 8221 currently and I can tell you that some of the parts if you want originals are becoming impossible to find. :(
I'm still looking for a cold start, drive shafts and the correct coloured steering column surround, if you know of these parts please let me know. :cool:
cold start - give me the bosch number....
do you need the bronze or the black coloured left hand drive column surround?
do you need normal driveshafts or maxi ones?
http://www.renaultpower.com/?rS=parts&cid=230
Alastair
03-01-2012, 15:21
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
I'm restoring a 8221 currently and I can tell you that some of the parts if you want originals are becoming impossible to find. :(
I'm still looking for a cold start, drive shafts and the correct coloured steering column surround, if you know of these parts please let me know. :cool:
Driveshaft UK will make you any driveshaft you need, if you have the dimensions. Cheap too. And the main cvs are all std renault so no need for huge price hikes.
Bruce - BHPerformance
05-01-2012, 10:40
I know the seller and the car. Its a genuine 1 of 200 made 8221 with alloy roof. Arches are the wider TDC ones and most of these homologation cars were a bit ropey as they were expected to be crashed in events! Take a look at the panel fit and wobblyness of "YB's" bodywork and tell me its good.
Reason its being split from box is that its really being sold as a set of vin plates to "legitimise" a replica/reshell out there as it makes it worth around 80k as previously stated and the box with its 4k worth of Maxi gears has sold for a very good price.
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
Thanks for your help everyone, the light at the end of my tunnel just got a little bit of a brighter glow (it has been a long long tunnel of over 2 years so far)
Sparkie, thanks in advance, I have pm'd you.
Alastair, thanks also, I would like orginals as I'm going for a factory finish, but I will add your contact to my list.
shell, should be going for paint in the next week or so, an I'm starting to feel like a kid with anew bike :)
P.S. Bruce, don't be too upset, 15K was allot for a none runner was all that was said. I think all the 8221 and 8220's were made on the same (as good as it gets 1980's france) production line, so should be no more ropey than the rest!;)
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