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well after getting mucked about by a clueless lady at a renault breakers, who can only blame a not up to date computer filing system for not having the correct rare parts that i went to collect today but they couldn't find (they think poss scrapped with the last lot as they hadn't sold any before), i was impressed with the amount of stock this place had. amongst the 200+ engines and the same amount of most other bits off most renaults i spotted a few gtt and n/a, 21T, gta v6, numerous valvers, williams, and 172, clio v6 lumps and most other bits so pretty certain if your looking for some more common bits they'll have it. worth a try if anyone is stuck for bits and they are happy to post, assuming they can find the bits listed on their system!
tel : 01254 386661.
but for those making a serious enquiry and for my own personal humour to reflect my annoyance of a wasted trip after 4 phone calls to confirm said bits were what i wanted please ask for LILLY with the reference, 'my mate came up to collect a 12v head that you said you had, but didn't, but he said you may have a . . . (insert your parts list here!)
i hope my frustration will be acknowledged by her, whilst making a sale :sad2:
hope they are of more use to others.
Want to convert to 12v head then?
I think I'd rather hunt down a tranverse front subframe and run an F7R or F4R turbo.
Want to convert to 12v head then?
I think I'd rather hunt down a tranverse front subframe and run an F7R or F4R turbo.
That would be cheating :p 12v J7R looks to have good potential but if the heads are that rare then even if he finds a good one now it'll be a pain in the ass if it ever cracks or fails beyond repair in some way.
phase i 16 v turbo
24-11-2011, 12:23
Tried then this morning and the lady said that the R11 Turbo and R5 Gt turbo are too old and don't have any bits for them?:confused:
Tried then this morning and the lady said that the R11 Turbo and R5 Gt turbo are too old and don't have any bits for them?:confused:
From what haz was saying yesterday they have rucks of stuff there mike, old and new but they only seem interested in shifting the new stuff which they can make better money on. Chris was allowed to rummage through their engine stocks, so if someone needed something it would be worth pestering them a bit more.
phase i 16 v turbo
24-11-2011, 12:34
From what haz was saying yesterday they have rucks of stuff there mike, old and new but they only seem interested in shifting the new stuff which they can make better money on. Chris was allowed to rummage through their engine stocks, so if someone needed something it would be worth pestering them a bit more.
Yes, this was the impression I got. That there time could be better spent on other calls instead of dealing with my requests.
They have loads of old stuff ...you have to speak to the right person ( but his name escapes me at the moment :o ) For gods sake don't ask for a price from the boss man :eek:
where is this place.?
Renault Specialists (http://www.accessplace.com/car-breaker/lancashire/accrington.htm#)
Everest Works
Hope Street
Accrington, Lancashire, BB5 0PL
01254 386661
Google is great ;)
That would be cheating :p 12v J7R looks to have good potential but if the heads are that rare then even if he finds a good one now it'll be a pain in the ass if it ever cracks or fails beyond repair in some way.
I understand the benefits of it but like you say if anything goes wrong it's a pain. I've heard rumours that the valves don't last long in engines running high boost pressures and ideally a custom set would need making. Then there's cam regrind options I don't know what can be achieved with the standard cam. Be nice to see it done though although I'm unsure quite how worthwhile it is for the costs/hassle.
I understand the benefits of it but like you say if anything goes wrong it's a pain. I've heard rumours that the valves don't last long in engines running high boost pressures and ideally a custom set would need making. Then there's cam regrind options I don't know what can be achieved with the standard cam. Be nice to see it done though although I'm unsure quite how worthwhile it is for the costs/hassle.
Ah well! I've heard the same rumours, but you find that the same rumours exist amongst the owners of lots of different marques too and more often than not valves failing because of heat were because of a poor tune in the first place. Then maybe they might fail because of bounce or RPM but neither are the fault of too much boost !
Or maybe they really are poor! But allowing a rumour to put you off an otherwise cool conversion is a shame. Sometimes you just have to get on with it and play it by ear.
I think the standard 12v cam would work really well, it looks pretty healthy, as do the sizes of the valves. It makes 140hp NA I think ? Versus the 85hp or whatever the standard 21T makes without boost. It won't take a lot of boost with the 12v to reach 300hp with the right turbo.
The 8v head looks half decent though but having spent some time looking at the available cam profiles (most of which seem to be regrinds that fit within the standard, very restrictive cam?!) it looks like there could be a lot to gain from a good billet cam using a modern-thinking profile. This might be the route for Haz to go.
I couldn't understand myself how boost pressures could directly cause failure of the valves. Temperatures of charge and other factors makes more sense though.
I know Haz was interested in the Europa Cup camshaft I had, although I'm not prepared to sell it as I do want to get it fitted to my car (sooner rather than later I hope) I would quite happily send it off if he wants it measured or copied?
I've been meaning to get it measured for a while myself as I have very limited info on the spec of it. I did measure the lobes with a micrometer once and using the rocker ratio calculated max valve lift however I didn't have a standard cam to compare the figures with.
I'll dig the numbers out and post them up.
How are things looking on the re-mapping of the standard ecu Scoff,?
Apart from Henk in Belgium I don't know of anyone else who can produce a custom map for the standard ecu.
I currently have the later management system fitted with the twin coil packs and lambda control, as far as I know its only the earlier single coil and distributor based management that Henk can remap although I do believe Superchips offered a chip upgrade for the later management many years ago so it should be possible.
Good luck with the 12valve conversion if Haz/you do deciede to go for it, I'd love to see it done to a UK car successfully. If I hear of any 2.0 or 2.2 12valve parts or cars for breaking I'll pass the details on to you guys.
Thanks for the offers Lewis, haz will be greatfull of those and its something I'm finding interesting because I hadn't really done anything with the 21 before.
Regards the europa cam, while it would be interesting to have a plot of it I don't think I'd want to copy it unless it happened to match what I wanted to do profile wise. But I know Haz was looking at collecting as many profiles as possible so we could put together a short database of profiles in the same way Andy Cooke did with the R5 but there just doesn't seem to be enough profiles out there to make the work worthwhile! Or at least ones that he can get hold of. Haz did obtain a few cams that I've measured already, none are very special as all are regrinds.
About the standard management, maybe henk has a rom emulator that he can map only the earlier ECU's with ? I have only working 21T definitions for tunerpro so it would be a slow proccess to map an engine as wild a spec as Haz has decided on. It's great for mild changes but this would end up a total re-write. He's got some standalone now so it'll go on that. Fiddling with standard ECU's gets tedious fast once you're used to the luxury of standalone :ashamed:
I think Haz said he'd found some 2.2s but that their water/oil ways don't exactly match that of the 21. Is there much difference do you know ? I don't know what the 2.2's valves and cam are like.
Tried then this morning and the lady said that the R11 Turbo and R5 Gt turbo are too old and don't have any bits for them?:confused:
Maybe she thought it was a wind up because she didn't have the politeness to apologise for mucking me about? I was only glancing over engines lookin for that one in particular but I saw at least 3 complete gtt lumps minus only the turbos, 3 21t's and a few 2.2's complete, 2 gta v6's. It's basically a warehouse with racking 5m high all over the place full of loads of mechanical spares, didn't notice interior bits or panels but I only went in one section. The scrapyard bit had numerous cars that are fully stripped on a daily basis with 4 or more v6 clios and other new stuff as well as 172s etc. One of my 4 conformation calls was to a more helpful chap tho, but I forget his name also
Want to convert to 12v head then?
I think I'd rather hunt down a tranverse front subframe and run an F7R or F4R turbo.
Bar the cost of the head and bits to go with it the conversion shouldn't be anymore involved than tuning the 8v properly, dome machine work, cam ecu etc ;)
I understand the benefits of it but like you say if anything goes wrong it's a pain. I've heard rumours that the valves don't last long in engines running high boost pressures and ideally a custom set would need making. Then there's cam regrind options I don't know what can be achieved with the standard cam. Be nice to see it done though although I'm unsure quite how worthwhile it is for the costs/hassle.
The same as 21's split liners at more 18psi, well they will on a map sensor designed for 14psi ;)
Sorry for short replies but on my phone ;) from what I've read the 2ltr is much the same as 2ltr turbo, 2.2 is still 8v but longer throw in crank so not much use if you want to rev it, and there's 3 versions of the 12v, the safrane which is mounted the wrong way so the head layout involves alot more work like thermostat outlet etc and then there's 21 and 25 which should be a direct fit although every bit of the head needs to be used, bolts, manifolds, throttle etc. The chamber in the head is also bigger lowering the compression to about 7.5:1. Dunno why Renault didn't just do that? Like I dunno why they didn't just use the Volvo lump lol
I suppose the costs are similar as long as these rumours of valve damage etc don't become true and you have to replace them. Have you spoke to Andy Rabson of Dave Sibley, I know that Dave was/is converting to the 12valve setup so may know a bit more.
I think your right with the oil and coolant ways the 2.2 12 valve head is probably not going to lineup without work to the 2.0 block. The safrane is transverse and the 21 and 25 are longitudinal with the engine tilted so I imagine the easiest option is to use the head from a 2.0 12v 21 or 25.
The throttle body is larger by 5mm (55mm) and the inlet manifold is a fair bit larger so its probably worth keeping them unless you go for something custom.
Have you had a nosy on any of the French owners forums as I know a few have successfully converted in Europe.
yeah thats it, wont know til we try, and may never find out if i cant source the bits. there's always france i suppose, but like scoff said, if its hard enough to find one it could be alot of hassle to find a second if it does't go to plan and could be a big disappointment if it works really well.
i thought the 2.2 was 8v, 12v was 2ltr. didn't know there was a 2.2 12v?
as always it'll be a budget build unless something is needed but from what dave has said, everything has to be used with the exhaust manifold wanting to be custom. he's had the bits a while and seems to spend alot of time with his family and helping others, along with trying to do alot with his bits making it very custom so unsure when it will be up and running. not spoken to andy yet as this is the first mention of my plans mainly cos i'm dissappointed n hope someone may find one on their travels and also i feel as its not a common thing thats been done so is a waste of time on 21toc, so please keep it on these boards for now ;)
have spent many hours researching, a few starts of projects but very little on finished ones or how it went etc. maybe rabson is the next step?
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