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Alright all...
C1J number two cooked..BRAND NEW RECON LUMP FROM A SUPPOSED PRO:jerkoff:...700miles NO BOOST @ALL...And now this..,
http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc466/sperminator4/r5gt015.jpg
So who would you guys reccomend to build me or sell me another...Looking at GT Tuning @mo...
Opinions and experience's..(Good an Bad welcome..)..ov your different companys/builders or good ol home brewers be much appreciated..
Cheers all:popcorn:
Eugein Offord
06-05-2011, 01:29
wowzerz............:cry:........... that has to be the liner seal........... the best advice i could give is to get an engine from a breaker thats running and never been apart.......tough now though................or if the bottom end isnt knocking re do the seal with the engine in situe...........not a nice job................:cry:
TNT ANDY
06-05-2011, 06:29
Alright all...
C1J number two cooked..BRAND NEW RECON LUMP FROM A SUPPOSED PRO:jerkoff:...700miles NO BOOST @ALL...And now this..,
http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc466/sperminator4/r5gt015.jpg
So who would you guys reccomend to build me or sell me another...Looking at GT Tuning @mo...
Opinions and experience's..(Good an Bad welcome..)..ov your different companys/builders or good ol home brewers be much appreciated..
Cheers all:popcorn:
Is that red top or blue. That is truly amazing - I'd suggest a rebuild yourself with a hand from local members.
sammo_gtt
06-05-2011, 08:38
c1j engines are very simple so if you dont fancy the work im local an willing to take on the build, offers there :)
Woznaldo
06-05-2011, 09:53
I didn't know you could get Mr Whippy from a GTT? :cooter:
Cheers gents for your advice..(an humour feck no's i need a laugh atmo:rolleyes:)...Really appreciated:agree:Engine is going back to the original builder if there not gona do the decent thing an refund me then its name an shame for them...
Am gona put a thread up on here tonight in the project/restorations bit,so stay tuned...An praps hopefully Av a chat an a laugh with you's all in there,and hopefully see what ideas people av got on my situation...Will be a begging to now thread so please READ it all as i dont own this car for its status i owe her coz i love the breed:agree:
If it helps all...I've built a few C1j's but as time was against me on this one i decided too farm the job out...Biggest mistake ive made.:cry:...Stay tuned for the next installment of project "milk shake":coffee:
youngscottie
06-05-2011, 11:34
did you supply the engine for the builder to rebuild?
that amount of coolant in the oil suggests a linner seal to me
the block may be porous around the seal
leave the sump plug out fill the coolant system then pressure it up
if the water drips out the plug remove the sump and see exactly
where its leaking from
its best to know before you send the lump away so you can argue your case
(liner seal were only £8 from dingbro lsat time i bought)
did you supply the engine for the builder to rebuild?
that amount of coolant in the oil suggests a linner seal to me
the block may be porous around the seal
leave the sump plug out fill the coolant system then pressure it up
if the water drips out the plug remove the sump and see exactly
where its leaking from
its best to know before you send the lump away so you can argue your case
(liner seal were only £8 from dingbro lsat time i bought)
Cheers fella for the advice,,Really Appreciated;)
No fella they supplied the complete engine to me...Had one of there Rad/cooler combo's too...End of the day most if not all C1J recon'd blocks are second hand re-con so as u say could be porous might even be cracked head/block/liner who knows...But i aint gonna worry bout it jus send it back an see where i go from here,Dont wanna touch it coz they av said leave alone,,But the pic is pretty conclusive its not right its a propper mess inside:(:cry:...Sadly i might jus Bang it on pistonheads as a roller an get rid...Propper sick of it atmo..But am gonna weigh me options up before the scrappers are called to collect it:cry:
I didn't know you could get Mr Whippy from a GTT? :cooter:
Not Funny:laugh::laugh::laugh:
An F**k all Reliability from em too:cry::cry::laugh::laugh:
Cheers fella for the advice,,Really Appreciated;)
:(:cry:...Sadly i might jus Bang it on pistonheads as a roller an get rid...Propper sick of it atmo..But am gonna weigh me options up before the scrappers are called to collect it:cry:
Dont to anything to hasty bud, i know the feeling im on my 3rd engine in two weeks.
i felt like just giving up selling my 5's infact i did put it up for sale luckly no one baught it ;)
keep your head up mate it will get sorted :agree:
Dont to anything to hasty bud, i know the feeling im on my 3rd engine in two weeks.
i felt like just giving up selling my 5's infact i did put it up for sale luckly no one baught it ;)
keep your head up mate it will get sorted :agree:
Nuff love too yah fella:worship:...Cheers...
Old skool jungle cracking through the 12now so feeling a bit more chipper:agree:
Remember seein yours on pistons me thinks...love the stance:agree:
So has anyone used or had an engine off Gt tuning then...?
Be good too here your opinions of em people...:agree:
TrixNFlix
07-05-2011, 14:07
If your not gonna tackle the engine build yourself due to lack of time etc, your best bet is to get one of the old boys off this forum to sort u out. :agree:
Any tuner will cost u big money.
If your not gonna tackle the engine build yourself due to lack of time etc, your best bet is to get one of the old boys off this forum to sort u out. :agree:
Any tuner will cost u big money.
Cheers fella...Whos good on here then..??
Trouble is twice bitten twice shy for me..this is ni on a Grands worth...fecked me turbo aswell..So was going to go for a tuner as at least theres a come back too if it turns sour again...:coffee:
Markey Mark (BD)
07-05-2011, 16:09
Do you know what has actually gone on the engine, was it actual engine failure or down to poor set up?
Also i still do abit of work the 5's if your after someone to build an engine for you.
Do you know what has actually gone on the engine, was it actual engine failure or down to poor set up?
Also i still do abit of work the 5's if your after someone to build an engine for you.
Cheers Fella..
Nah she Hadnt been set up as was running her in..As told too..then once she ad been checked an appropriate milage covered was then gona get her set up...But @45mph for 500 miles nothing over 2krpm @all as advised then Torque check of bolts then too only get 200 ish more on top still @45mph an Absolutely NO BOOST seems as if its a ****un out the box to me...Have been told too leave engine alone an jus send back...Otherwise i'd rip it open an av a poke about:agree:
I Want too fix her but gotta do it once an right if so....Hence praps go for a crate motor...
So where u based fella?
Markey Mark (BD)
07-05-2011, 18:39
I'm in Aylesbury mate.
Whatever has gone wrong with it it'll easy enough to fix and do right.
have no fear your in the right place.. with oil that creamy id imagine a liners lifted or somthing silly.. im sure jimmy b had somthing very similar on his engine rebuild.
I'm in Aylesbury mate.
Whatever has gone wrong with it it'll easy enough to fix and do right.
Ayelsbury..Lovely part of blighty that..
Well got the original block/Crank still..But nowt else..
Trouble is if the orig block is porous or cracked its gona be bad money aft bad 4me so hence Doing a complete engine an AS FAR as i know noone round my part of world can do or wants too do Pressure/crack testing of a C1J to be sure of its suitability:scratch:....Like i says was thinking GT Tuning but jus duno what 2do atmo...:coffee:
As always cheers for advice fella Really appreciated:)
have no fear your in the right place.. with oil that creamy id imagine a liners lifted or somthing silly.. im sure jimmy b had somthing very similar on his engine rebuild.
Cheers Feela Appreciated;)...Feckin C1J...Just wanna keeps it as that an improve its weeknesses....Can the liner seals issue be improved apon at all???:coffee:
Markey Mark (BD)
07-05-2011, 18:59
Ayelsbury..Lovely part of blighty that..
Well got the original block/Crank still..But nowt else..
Trouble is if the orig block is porous or cracked its gona be bad money aft bad 4me so hence Doing a complete engine an AS FAR as i know noone round my part of world can do or wants too do Pressure/crack testing of a C1J to be sure of its suitability:scratch:....Like i says was thinking GT Tuning but jus duno what 2do atmo...:coffee:
As always cheers for advice fella Really appreciated:)
If you want can start with another engine and build that one up, its more than likely something else other than a cracked block has happened but can chack block.
Do GT Tuning do any work on a 5 anymore, thought they moved on to Minis years ago.
dum dum deeee... I have a feelin dispite marks constant intentions of not working on other r5s and only his own i can see this one ending up in his hands.
If you want can start with another engine and build that one up, its more than likely something else other than a cracked block has happened but can chack block.
Do GT Tuning do any work on a 5 anymore, thought they moved on to Minis years ago.
How can the blocks be or if they can be...tested for strength an integrity??
Gona wait for suppliers verdict on what they sold me..but either way its left a bitter taste in my mouth towards em....
Erm well i have spoken to a guy there called Roland ,believe he's the head honcho..
an there still very much involved with em was my impression..an there sites still trading gtt stuff an engine packages..
Markey Mark (BD)
07-05-2011, 19:12
How can the blocks be or if they can be...tested for strength an integrity??
Gona wait for suppliers verdict on what they sold me..but either way its left a bitter taste in my mouth towards em....
Erm well i have spoken to a guy there called Roland ,believe he's the head honcho..
an there still very much involved with em was my impression..an there sites still trading gtt stuff an engine packages..
Not too sure how they do it but there is way of crack testing blocks, we do it at work for when we have problem with a cast block in a fork lift. I'll have to find out as it's not something we do regularly
thats cool, see what they say
Yeah Roland runs GT Tuning, i thought they given up entirely as he sold most of his stuff off even his car. I know they've not developed anything for them in years.
He may well still work on them just kept so quiet not many people know about it.
dum dum deeee... I have a feelin dispite marks constant intentions of not working on other r5s and only his own i can see this one ending up in his hands.
Not if i crush it it wont ;) :laugh:...
He may not like the c1j anymore an too be honest he probs would'nt like me if he met me...I squeek wen i walk an need a crowbar to open me wallet..:cry::D
Not too sure how they do it but there is way of crack testing blocks, we do it at work for when we have problem with a cast block in a fork lift. I'll have to find out as it's not something we do regularly
thats cool, see what they say
Yeah Roland runs GT Tuning, i thought they given up entirely as he sold most of his stuff off even his car. I know they've not developed anything for them in years.
He may well still work on them just kept so quiet not many people know about it.
Well if u find anything out on testing em fella i'd love too hear bout it if u dont mind sharing the knowledge:confused:
Gona give him a ring on monday again...See whats what an if he's still willing or can do Builds anymore..as u say he might not be actively building anymore..Will see what he says on it...
Markey Mark (BD)
07-05-2011, 19:20
I can guarenty they'll be costly, remember seeing there catalogue few years ago!
Will find out, was mentioned to me but its slipped my memory. :laugh:
I can guarenty they'll be costly, remember seeing there catalogue few years ago!
Will find out, was mentioned to me but its slipped my memory. :laugh:
Cheers boss appreciated;)
Well everyone on here is saying you do it:laugh:...
Jus thought bout them as he was really helpfull an patient on phone..an at end of day i got some comebacks if sh8t hits fan again...Jus want too get her solid an back on the black stuff...
Can the liner seal issue be improved on the C1j??
Markey Mark (BD)
07-05-2011, 19:33
To be honest there's nothing wrong with the standard liner seals, they hold up well enough just got to make sure the block and liner surfaces and clean
To be honest there's nothing wrong with the standard liner seals, they hold up well enough just got to make sure the block and liner surfaces and clean
Hence how can a professionally cleaned an built one fail?
Jus seems a weak link in an otherwise solid engine...
The new Bill J
07-05-2011, 19:46
Yeah Roland runs GT Tuning, i thought they given up entirely as he sold most of his stuff off even his car. I know they've not developed anything for them in years.
He may well still work on them just kept so quiet not many people know about it.
The amount he charges, I'm sure work will be hard for him to turn down - $$$ :laugh:
Markey Mark (BD)
07-05-2011, 19:48
Hence how can a professionally cleaned an built one fail?
Jus seems a weak link in an otherwise solid engine...
Are you sure its the liner seal then or just guessing?
The amount he charges, I'm sure work will be hard for him to turn down - $$$ :laugh:
Not a case of gets what u pay for then:confused:...Or are u using a distractive cover name him and are infact he,,,:laugh::scratch:
Are you sure its the liner seal then or just guessing?
Nah thats what the sellers guessing at....Like i say i aint touching it...And To be honest when i took head of ready for transportatian..I checked it for warp...Not good at all:(
Only he will know i thinks...Either way i want me cash back or i name an shame an go through the relevant channels...I down a k so far plus loss of earnings,fluids,other people's petrol and time saving my arse coz of this..:coffee:
The new Bill J
07-05-2011, 20:09
Not a case of gets what u pay for then:confused:...Or are u using a distractive cover name him and are infact he,,,:laugh::scratch:
I can't comment on his engines, but some of his stuff was very good. However, he was very well known for being extremely 'clever' in the marketing department. ie; he spouted such a huge amount of bull5hit per product, that by the time you were half way through reading about how amazing it was, you'd buy it purely so that you wouldn't read any more :laugh:
Some of his stuff was also just a huge rip-off. The most obvious example being the plastic bosh dump valves, that he bought for about £12 each, wrapped in tin foil, wrote a huge paragraph about, and sold for £200 :eek:
I can't comment on his engines, but some of his stuff was very good. However, he was very well known for being extremely 'clever' in the marketing department. ie; he spouted such a huge amount of bull5hit per product, that by the time you were half way through reading about how amazing it was, you'd buy it purely so that you wouldn't read any more :laugh:
Some of his stuff was also just a huge rip-off. The most obvious example being the plastic bosh dump valves, that he bought for about £12 each, wrapped in tin foil, wrote a huge paragraph about, and sold for £200 :eek:
****a duck...Man got talents for sales then:laugh:...Wots bout prima racing then or are you another biased to Member MarkyMark??:laugh:...
Cheers for your input boss much appreciated...:agree:
The new Bill J
07-05-2011, 20:23
****a duck...Man got talents for sales then:laugh:...Wots bout prima racing then or are you another biased to Member MarkyMark??:laugh:...
Don't get me/anyone else started on Prima :cry: :laugh:
I'm not biased to anyone inparticular. I know Mark though, and he's a top lad :agree:
Another option is Colin (THE MASTER on here). He's been working on gtt's since before they came out, so you could say he knows them fairly well. He's in Bracknell.
Don't get me/anyone else started on Prima :cry: :laugh:
I'm not biased to anyone inparticular. I know Mark though, and he's a top lad :agree:
Another option is Colin (THE MASTER on here). He's been working on gtt's since before they came out, so you could say he knows them fairly well. He's in Bracknell.
So prima's out the running then,,:laugh:
And how could i find said master boss...If He's to be found that is....
The new Bill J
07-05-2011, 20:32
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/member.php?u=8
He doesn't come on here as much as he used to, but you could send him a pm, or 12 :laugh:
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/member.php?u=8
He doesn't come on here as much as he used to, but you could send him a pm, or 12 :laugh:
Cheers fella...need abita tempting outa hiding then do he...
hi pete,what a ball ache...id say give the folk who done your engine a chance to sort it an as you say go the correct channels an go from there,but if it comes to it your best bet is sourcing an engine of here in the classifieds...just an idea.
or if its something simple an 5gtt engines are simple it should not cost you mega bucks to get you up an running and having a blast in you car..
markey mark could help you as he has said...:agree:
:)
hi pete,what a ball ache...id say give the folk who done your engine a chance to sort it an as you say go the correct channels an go from there,but if it comes to it your best bet is sourcing an engine of here in the classifieds...just an idea.
or if its something simple an 5gtt engines are simple it should not cost you mega bucks to get you up an running and having a blast in you car..
markey mark could help you as he has said...:agree:
:)
Cheers Fella...Yeah i am gonna give em every chance to be gents an jus gis me cash back;)
I still av original engines Block/crank..But nowt else..Needs head pistons/liners the lot...Its jus this issue of getting these blocks tested or checked for Strength an integrity...Dont wanna build one up an its cracked of fecked in general....?
Its jus this issue of getting these blocks tested or checked for Strength an integrity...Dont wanna build one up an its cracked of fecked in general....?
nothing really cracks on these 'blocks' as its basically just 2 cast iron buckets, connected in the middle by 4 holes. one bucket holds the crank, the other the 4 liners.
the best way to stop leaky liners is to apply a liberal smear of silicone sealant over the liner seal before you drop it in the block.
the real concern should be your cam journals. is they are overly scored then that will cause problems.
nothing really cracks on these 'blocks' as its basically just 2 cast iron buckets, connected in the middle by 4 holes. one bucket holds the crank, the other the 4 liners.
the best way to stop leaky liners is to apply a liberal smear of silicone sealant over the liner seal before you drop it in the block.
the real concern should be your cam journals. is they are overly scored then that will cause problems.
Cheers fella...Was advised not too use sealant on em if i rebuild my orig block..Dry fit only??
Will be checking the block over 2moro see if its good,should be as i never had this issue with it..:(
So no way of checking the blocks integrity then?Seems a grey area this one:confused:
you can pressure test a block an also use dyes,but id start with a visual..
i not sure its a cracked block is the problem though...
:)
you can pressure test a block an also use dyes,but id start with a visual..
i not sure its a cracked block is the problem though...
:)
yeah - NDT, non destructive testing - the dye settles in the cracks which you check with UV lamp. - i went for an interview for a job doing this once.
not worth it on a gt block though.
why wouldnt you use silicone sealant as well as the liner seal.. it seals any corrosion pits in the liner base area :)
yeah - NDT, non destructive testing - the dye settles in the cracks which you check with UV lamp. - i went for an interview for a job doing this once.
not worth it on a gt block though.
why wouldnt you use silicone sealant as well as the liner seal.. it seals any corrosion pits in the liner base area :)
Cheers Guys...Was jus advidsed not too as apparently it can melt under pressure/heat causing problems..Las one i built for a mate i dry fitted em an they still going strong:D...But i aint adverse to other tips an tricks an not saying in any way its a bad thing but i personally av not done it before so am unsure of its reliability..:confused:
As regards Die testing the block is that something any decent Reconditioner can do?
And if i decide too tackle a build myself would everyone be up for Helping me out
with advice..?I can be abit Special sometimes:cry::wasntme:
silicon sealant will not melt under pressure/heat.
i take it you've never heard/seen people fixing a blowing exhaust with silicon sealant? it lasts ages..... ;)
silicon sealant will not melt under pressure/heat.
i take it you've never heard/seen people fixing a blowing exhaust with silicon sealant? it lasts ages..... ;)
As i said above fella..Its not something"I've" done with liner seals...
As the advice given too me was if sealant is needed then the block either isnt clean enough or its corroded too far for a decent seal.
Jus Telling it how it is as advised too me:)...Not disputing its ability i jus never done it that way:coffee:
Adam 005
08-05-2011, 12:34
On engines i have built in the past i have used a product called wellseal (http://www.directcarparts.co.uk/product/1531/pwn518/renault-cliomegane-sump-plug--washer.html)on the liner seal as was reccommended to me by an engine builder.I have never had one leak yet.That said on my current engine i put the seals in dry and have had no problems.In my mind it all comes down to the preparation of the block.i spend a long time cleaning the liner seat.Also i have seen liner seals lip up when someone has turned the line once fitted to line up the flats on liners before fitting head.
On engines i have built in the past i have used a product called wellseal (http://www.directcarparts.co.uk/product/1531/pwn518/renault-cliomegane-sump-plug--washer.html)on the liner seal as was reccommended to me by an engine builder.I have never had one leak yet.That said on my current engine i put the seals in dry and have had no problems.In my mind it all comes down to the preparation of the block.i spend a long time cleaning the liner seat.Also i have seen liner seals lip up when someone has turned the line once fitted to line up the flats on liners before fitting head.
Cheers fella your a gent for the info;)
My plan atmo is to check over old block from my original engine an go from there....
But like u for me Clenlyness is next to Godlyness an as u say its all in the prep...
Adam 005
08-05-2011, 12:47
Cheers fella your a gent for the info;)
My plan atmo is to check over old block from my original engine an go from there....
But like u for me Clenlyness is next to Godlyness an as u say its all in the prep...
i am braking a ph1 this week not heard engine running but would make a good donor engine if you get stuck.you are a long way from me though.
i am braking a ph1 this week not heard engine running but would make a good donor engine if you get stuck.you are a long way from me though.
Cheers for the offer fella...Gonna look @my engine an check out my options some more...Wanted it done for nationals hence maybe going pro:coffee:
Adam 005
08-05-2011, 13:02
Cheers for the offer fella...Gonna look @my engine an check out my options some more...Wanted it done for nationals hence maybe going pro:coffee:
cool.hope you get it sorted.if your willing to pay then someone on hear will help you out i'm sure
cool.hope you get it sorted.if your willing to pay then someone on hear will help you out i'm sure
Always willing to pay for a good job;)
Cheers again fella:agree:
Soooooooooo..........
Where Do i go from here Then People??:coffee:
Gttnutter
08-05-2011, 14:23
When I re-fitted my liners I wiped the seal area briefly and chucked them in, job done!
Mark fit them dry I'm sure. My advice would be to get your splash back,give them the billy bulls%@t engine they sold you,name and shame for the rest of us nosy rtocers and get mark to build an engine up for you. You'll get what you want for the price you'll be more than happy with.
When I re-fitted my liners I wiped the seal area briefly and chucked them in, job done!
Mark fit them dry I'm sure. My advice would be to get your splash back,give them the billy bulls%@t engine they sold you,name and shame for the rest of us nosy rtocers and get mark to build an engine up for you. You'll get what you want for the price you'll be more than happy with.
Love it:laugh::laugh:
Appreciated the straight talking Fella:agree:...No name an shame jus yet an No billy on my part,its there shoddie **** End off...pictures say it all...:laugh:
Mark....He is a man who keeps being mentioned:laugh::laugh::agree:
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