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as above is it possible/easy??
im needing help as mine keeps slipping a lot when boosting :(
dont know many cars that require the engine out to change the clutch mate
guess you can just take turbo off and access it from the top?
Mike GTT
06-11-2008, 15:11
possible: yes....easy: no
i've done two and the quickest way is to have the engine out for sure... som'e people drop the engine out the bottom whilst on the subframe, i've only ever done it through the top... it hasn't taken me longer than a saturday morning + afternoon doing it! :agree:
as above is it possible/easy??
im needing help as mine keeps slipping a lot when boosting :(
I had to change my box about 5 weeks ago and it was a nightmare keeping the engine in, wish i had taken it out. After i had dismantled most of it would of proberly been quicker :laugh:
so how would i do it with the engine in??
I would say engine out is the quickest way to do it as well, doesn't take long to get the engine out, only thing is keeping the engine steady whilst you're undoing the stuff on the gearbox etc.
Aye, taking the engine out isn't that hard at all really. But then I would say that, because my Dad helps me, and without his help, I'd probably still be asking whether I should get an electronic supercharger or not :scared:
matt, as i said :D engine out is the best way. and while your at it get a ctm 9slot lightened flywheel :agree:
It aint too hard to do it with the engine in either. I usually whip the engine out, but I got caught with a shafted clutch in the wrong place with just my socket set and trolley jack, so had to do it all in situ earlier this year.
Just whipped off the passenger strut, took the driveshaft out of the hub (just the nut off I think..?) got the turbo and crap out of the way and managed to get enough of a gap between the gearbox and block to get in with the wrench to fetch off the clutch plate.
I had to turn the engine over to get to each bolt, but hey.. not the end of the world that! Getting it all lined up was a little harder, but take your time and its not too bad.
Engine out next time for me, but it can be done if needs be. One man job too.
;)
michael tierney
06-11-2008, 22:04
i did a campus in 4 hrs that way(on my own)the turbo would only take a bit longer and i'll be giving it a go next time!
you could drop the subframe and drop the box out the bottom...
done taht on a 182 but not sure its any quicker?
On a GT Turbo it is by far the easiest way to take the engine out i have found & leave the box in the car :)
This is how i do it
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=454
HTH
Steve
Seriously dude, don't bother trying to do it with the engine in, last I did it took me 2 days to do it, where's as when i took the engine out to change it took 6 hours, its alot easyer and u won't damage the paint in ya bay as much
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defo take the engine out but leave the gearbox in situ...took me about 7hours on my own ...with tools and engine crane...nvr taken engine out on my own before then....just grit ya teeth and get in to doing it...dnt forget to mark up pipes/hose's etc if your in doubt about putting all of it bk in the right place so bottle of tip ex...good luck just take your time. ;)
Markey Mark (BD)
07-11-2008, 17:31
To be honest once you have changed the clutch with the engine in the car once it isn't too bad to do, last time i done it it was all changed in about 3hrs.
Take the turbo off and all bits around that area out, pull bothg shafts off, remove the engine mounts and brackets for the box and then pull the box off and remove it out the top of the engine bay. Its abit more involved then that obviously but thats the basic principle of the job. I will be honest it isn't that bad.
Rob@Backyardracing
07-11-2008, 17:56
Engine out leave box in.. :) Not a bad job really.. Did one last saturday for a local lad job in and out of garage in 2hrs, he didnt beleave i changed it :laugh:
Markey Mark (BD)
07-11-2008, 18:03
Engine out leave box in.. :) Not a bad job really.. Did one last saturday for a local lad job in and out of garage in 2hrs, he didnt beleave i changed it :laugh:
Not bad going mate:)
To be honest Matt J there's no wrong way of doing it, everyone has there own way of doing it it just comes down to which way you find easiest.
matt, i can help you sort it if you want.? providing you supply the kopparberg pear cider, a glass and ice :D oh and a lift back home when im wasted :p
if you want a hand give me a shout.
you can start off by removing all the engine bay hoses. i say all as it'll give you a chance to clean them up while there off.
remove the turbo.
remove the starter motor.
remove radiator,i take it out incase of accidental damage.
loosen alt belt and pull alt towards the block.
lodge a straight edge ;) on the flywheel to lock it in place and then undo the crank pulley retaining bolt and remove it and the pulley.
just do all that and then ill help you get it out.
dont worry about the bits youve removed as i know where everything goes when you come to refit it all.
:)
I see you're in Ilkeston Matty I'm just up the road in Heanor .If it drives you're welcome to do it in my garage if it will make life easier .I have a hoist etc ...Raj and yerself should see it off in a day :agree:
raj its a deal
clee nice one that would help alot as its drivable just doesnt like boosting as it slips
dave j gtt
08-11-2008, 03:12
Engine out leave box in.. :) Not a bad job really.. Did one last saturday for a local lad job in and out of garage in 2hrs, he didnt beleave i changed it :laugh:
how that much for the job rob? might take you up on doing mine lol ;)
2 hrs is quick :) where do you live :)
will be buying my clutch on the 21st so if its ok to bring it over once i get it??
gttjames
15-11-2008, 17:29
when taking engine out, do you have to take the turbo off? cant you just take off the down pipe/elbow instead
If your lifting the engine out the top you only have to remove the exhaust from the downpipe, leave the downpipe attached to the turbo
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/album.php?albumid=53&pictureid=2493
Rob@Backyardracing
15-11-2008, 18:18
2 hrs is quick :) where do you live :)
It was fast as i know the car well and built the engine and whole thing up for the lad a while back and i do away with alot of hoses also theres two of us on the job :ashamed: :). I prob would help peeps out on cars i havnt seen before depending, but it would take longer to a new car as alot of things a bodged together with home made looms and snapped bolts etc. (im not saying anyones cars are like this, just some i see). I have a selected few local members i help out with tune ups etc only because i know the cars well and there owners.. :)
personally i'd charge £150 to change the clutch...:coffee: labour only!
Rob@Backyardracing
15-11-2008, 18:50
personally i'd charge £150 to change the clutch...:coffee: labour only!
:agree: agree...
personally i'd charge £150 to change the clutch...:coffee: labour only!
Done :laugh: when's good for you ?
The GTA ' Experts' are about £1200 ......I can do mine in half day ...ok ,I have a few bits missing and it's been in and out a few times but I still reckon a day tops ....I'd like that hourly rate :agree:
always work on a rough £20 per hour rate. :)
Got a clutch any1 game to help me out change it?
Offer's still open to do it at my place ....I don't understand 5s though so grab yerself a Guru .
Not 13/14th tho as there plans afoot for GTA's.....
i have a finger that maybe of use to point to the relevant parts you need to remove and refit so you can change the clutch :cylon:
Are you bringing your little helpers ???
608
lol, i dont think we'd get anything done if i did :laugh:
its a deal whens best for every one as im off at the mo chillin so im free :)
Well my garage is always here ...I work from home so no bother to me ,anytime you guys want to pile up and do it is fine within reason .I just need to move old JIL out into the nasty cold .
It's only 15p for a cup of tea and 20 for a coffee as well :coffee:
sweet nice one will see if raj is availible then im up :)
is anyone else availible to be my guru for the day :)
any one availible to give me a hand as its gutting just watching my 5 being sat there would love to drive it
Markey Mark (BD)
15-12-2008, 17:31
any one availible to give me a hand as its gutting just watching my 5 being sat there would love to drive it
Where abouts is Ilkeston mate, i might be able to give you a hand over the christmas period. I got 3 other gearboxs to do so should be use to it by then:D
gttjames
15-12-2008, 17:58
Started mine today, thought id just take the lot out as saves the hassle of splitting the box/engine in the bay.
Disconect everything attached to eninge and box and straight out the top.
Where abouts is Ilkeston mate, i might be able to give you a hand over the christmas period. I got 3 other gearboxs to do so should be use to it by then:D
Ilkeston is Derbyshire dude not sure how far from you it is??Clee is lending his garage to use so needing a guru :) you in??
Ahhh well ..................The GTA is up on 4 stands having a Winter once over .
We'll have to move stuff out the way but should still get your nose in and room to do the change .
Markey Mark (BD)
16-12-2008, 17:02
Ilkeston is Derbyshire dude not sure how far from you it is??Clee is lending his garage to use so needing a guru :) you in??
What day you thinking of doing it mate? iIm about 1.5hrs from you, not too bad as i get to use my work van and don't pay for diesel:D
What day you thinking of doing it mate? iIm about 1.5hrs from you, not too bad as i get to use my work van and don't pay for diesel:D
week between Xmas and new year could be good if it's ok for everyone??
Markey Mark (BD)
16-12-2008, 22:55
I can do sunday mate, the week is abit busy for me as i have work monday, a 5 to do on tuesday and then going out on wednesday.
If thats ok let me know and we'll sort out a time mate.
I can do sunday mate, the week is abit busy for me as i have work monday, a 5 to do on tuesday and then going out on wednesday.
If thats ok let me know and we'll sort out a time mate.
I can only do the Monday as I'm In Manchester then working tues wed
Markey Mark (BD)
19-12-2008, 15:40
Bit stuck then mate, can you do any other day after new years? I'm about the friday, sat and sun.
Everyone ok for the 28th???
Markey Mark (BD)
20-12-2008, 16:11
Everyone ok for the 28th???
We're on mate;)
Sweet looking forward to it did plan to get a new flywheel but left it to late for the post
needing a postcode for got garage dude
found the postcode in my pm box :)
this still on sunday if so what time do you want me at the garage??
Anytime after 8.30 Matty .We just need to move a few bits out the way ...........Nothing major .If I get time tomorrow I'll re-shoe the GTA and we'll be able to move it out the way ;)
Sound see you in will be around 9
got the new clutch fitted then lads..?
Markey Mark (BD)
27-12-2008, 16:22
got the new clutch fitted then lads..?
Fitting it tomorrow mate
Fitting it tomorrow mate
ahh ok.
matt, clean up your engine bay while the engines out:agree: will look alot better.
Markey Mark (BD)
27-12-2008, 16:30
ahh ok.
matt, clean up your engine bay while the engines out:agree: will look alot better.
Engines not coming out, we'll give it a good going over while we're doing it though.
I'm looking forward to getting the clutch sorted :) was wondering if we get time I wanna do the tappets
Markey Mark (BD)
27-12-2008, 18:18
I'm looking forward to getting the clutch sorted :) was wondering if we get time I wanna do the tappets
Yeah should have time to do the tappets too mate
Purple_rob
27-12-2008, 21:51
Good luck guys :) . quite cold out :).
Just been fitting a new clutch on mine today and its brass monkeys. Done it with the engine in and has taken me about a full day so far.
All those standard brackets make it a lengthy job :).
You'll probably be glad like me to get back up and running. :agree:
Rob
Markey Mark (BD)
27-12-2008, 21:53
Good luck guys :) . quite cold out :).
Just been fitting a new clutch on mine today and its brass monkeys. Done it with the engine in and has taken me about a full day so far.
All those standard brackets make it a lengthy job :).
You'll probably be glad like me to get back up and running. :agree:
Rob
Yeah it is quite cold today i was pulling the head off a 5 and was feeling th cold i'll make sure to wrap up tomorrow:D, i done it quite a few times now and do it in about 2-3hrs so should be ok
Yeah it is quite cold today i was pulling the head off a 5 and was feeling th cold i'll make sure to wrap up tomorrow:D, i done it quite a few times now and do it in about 2-3hrs so should be ok
thats handy to know mate...:agree:, how much would you charge to do a job like that, if all parts are supplied?:)
Markey Mark (BD)
27-12-2008, 22:14
thats handy to know mate...:agree:, how much would you charge to do a job like that, if all parts are supplied?:)
PM for you mate
Purple_rob
28-12-2008, 16:35
Howd you chaps get on?.
Another cold day for me and i'm nearly finished. Took it for a role around the block and its nearly ready.
Got a slight blow on the exhaust from the spacer/gasket part. Need to tighten the subframe bolt as it was just spinning :(.
Clutch is now on the floor but that will probably come up comfortably a little once its had a spin.
Bloody cold today but a huge thanks to clee for lending the garage and keeping us warm with brews all day and a huge thanks to mark and rich for sorting it :) pulls like a train on roids now cheers
Top lads thanks
No worries Matty . Thanks for the spit and polish :cool: Next time I pull the GTA's lump I'll just keep in mind today's antics and crack on with a big :) :laugh:
all done then matt.! did you clean up the dutty engine bay?:D
when you geting it back on the rollers.?
Markey Mark (BD)
28-12-2008, 19:39
Well we finally got it all done today took alittle longer than expected, its amazing how you forget about all the standard brackets on the 5 when you haven't seen them in years:D
At least its all done for you now Matt, cheers Clee for the use of the workshop too most appreicated would have been fun doing it on the road in the cold;)
Gttnutter
28-12-2008, 19:46
yep good stuff. we didnt set no record today though :agree: and cheers for the tea clee :agree:
all done then matt.! did you clean up the dutty engine bay?:D
when you geting it back on the rollers.?
Hopefully this week if there open just been out in it for blast and loving it sooloo much. Also worked out why the gearboxsome times freezes on me when changing gear it's down to me not pushing the clutch down all the way :)
Woznaldo
28-12-2008, 19:57
Top work to all involved. It's what the club is all about.:agree:
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