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Josie172cup
20-03-2011, 15:00
Hi everyone,
Just how bad is it when your car sounds like its running on spanners. It turns over and starts straight away but the noise is horrific (sounds like a hammer in a washing machine).
Im no good with car problems i just know that this is not good any ideas what this could be and more importantly how much is it likely to cost.
Joe :cry:
Josie172cup
20-03-2011, 16:10
Water pump?
i dont think so benj m8 its canny loud and isn't really coming from the water pump i hope your right like :)
i'll get a video up tomorrow see what you think
modfather
20-03-2011, 16:20
i dont think so benj m8 its canny loud and isn't really coming from the water pump i hope your right like :)
where is the sound coming from do you think
is it running ok,.. does the noise change with the revs.. does it do it on idle.. does it do it with clutch engadged and disengadged? maybe clutch/clutch bearing/ gearbox related?
peter GT muir
20-03-2011, 16:49
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if it sounds worse at 1400 revs on just sitting not driving its probly bottom end death rattle if it does it all the time it may be the waterpump or alty mine does the same, i took the belt off and ran it for a min and the noise was gone
maybe something simple one of you ht leads not connected up properly
Mat
Josie172cup
20-03-2011, 18:52
is it running ok,.. does the noise change with the revs.. does it do it on idle.. does it do it with clutch engadged and disengadged? maybe clutch/clutch bearing/ gearbox related?
i was half way to work when i noticed so rather than go back i plodded on.
it makes the rattle when accelerator is pressed. when i let off it stops.
this is in gear like engine breaking not dipped clutch
it rattles on idle (very bad)
the clutch makes no difference.
as far as i can tell it stays the same with the revs but when i accelerate i struggle to hear anything over the side exit.
sorry if the above is poorly worded :crap:
i hope this helps you guys a little and i hope it sounds worse than it is.
peter GT muir
20-03-2011, 18:56
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take the belt off if it still there u can rule out the pump and alty. culd be a piston ring smapped or the tensioner on the chain worn out
Junglist
20-03-2011, 19:57
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take the belt off if it still there u can rule out the pump and alty. culd be a piston ring smapped or the tensioner on the chain worn out
not for long mind .
peter GT muir
20-03-2011, 20:05
yeh only for a min or so or u will end up with a flat batt and a blown gasket :eek:
Josie172cup
21-03-2011, 18:33
Sorry about the poor quality i didn't have my phone lead so its off a digital camera :crap:
anyways take a look if this works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej8zB_C-WMk
Hard to tell, but to me it sounds like the bottom end maybe? A friend of mine had the same problem and it made the same noise. I wouldnt drive any further if I was you, whatever the problem is.
Sounds very much like a bottom end knock
Josie172cup
22-03-2011, 19:23
Hard to tell, but to me it sounds like the bottom end maybe? A friend of mine had the same problem and it made the same noise. I wouldnt drive any further if I was you, whatever the problem is.
Sounds very much like a bottom end knock
I got told the same thing but wanted to get a few more opinions.
Any idea whats involved in fixing this and how much its gunna set me back?
peter GT muir
22-03-2011, 19:29
Sorry about the poor quality i didn't have my phone lead so its off a digital camera :crap:
anyways take a look if this works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej8zB_C-WMk
That sounds sweet :laugh:
Josie172cup
22-03-2011, 19:31
That sounds sweet :laugh:
please dont laugh :cry:
peter GT muir
22-03-2011, 19:35
That sounds sweet :laugh:
in how u feel my first engine went boom then bought a bottom end off sum 1 else in tonbridge wells rebuilt it only to find one of the rods was slightly bent so it had to come out and get rebuilt again
Josie172cup
22-03-2011, 19:38
in how u feel my first engine went boom then bought a bottom end off sum 1 else in tonbridge wells rebuilt it only to find one of the rods was slightly bent so it had to come out and get rebuilt again
oh man... how much do you think im looking at to fix?
Sounds like bottom end.. but really its going to need to be looked at in person up close by a decent in the know member.. anybody local to you?
Sounds like bottom end.. but really its going to need to be looked at in person up close by a decent in the know member.. anybody local to you?
Just realised your in durham, so's Ashy iam sure he wouldnt mind ;) :p
peter GT muir
22-03-2011, 19:42
full set of shells ,crank regrind. oil seals at a min depends on how much u wanna rebuild it you could put new rings, chain etc etc just depends on what u wanna spend. how did it get like that in the first place is also a question could be an oil pump faliure
Josie172cup
22-03-2011, 19:52
Just realised your in durham, so's Ashy iam sure he wouldnt mind ;) :p
haha there is a few :P the only problem is it happened on the way to work so its sat in works car park atm, which is 20 miles in the opposite direction :(
full set of shells ,crank regrind. oil seals at a min depends on how much u wanna rebuild it you could put new rings, chain etc etc just depends on what u wanna spend. how did it get like that in the first place is also a question could be an oil pump faliure
the night before the oil light came on as i went round a corner so i put some in on the next moning before work and it started rattling on the way to work so i just plodded on and went out to check it at dinner and it was considerably worse, a really heavy knocking.
Will be looking at a full bottom end rebuild there, sounds bad:(
Let me grasp this, your light came on.. you topped it up? did you check the levels at all? and was the light on long?
if that light comes on you should pull over asap, a few seconds can be horrific!
like that show on nat geo.. light indicates seconds from disastor:cry:
old skool turbo power
22-03-2011, 20:12
Let me grasp this, your light came on.. you topped it up? did you check the levels at all? and was the light on long?
if that light comes on you should pull over asap, a few seconds can be horrific!
:agree:with the engine running so hot it will burn oil like anythink.even the simlplest of things not checked on these engines can cause massive problems :(even checking the oil.dont sound good though pal:(.every 6 months i change the oil or near to that and 12 months a simple service.
the things is now that (if it dose end up to be the bottom end)it "could" cost £££do you want to spend your money on it..............?
Josie172cup
22-03-2011, 21:46
Let me grasp this, your light came on.. you topped it up? did you check the levels at all? and was the light on long?
if that light comes on you should pull over asap, a few seconds can be horrific!
like that show on nat geo.. light indicates seconds from disastor:cry:
It wasn't on long i just noticed it out the corner of my eye, not even long enough to see what light it was but the only one near it is the choke light and thats orange.
:agree:with the engine running so hot it will burn oil like anythink.even the simlplest of things not checked on these engines can cause massive problems :(even checking the oil.dont sound good though pal:(.every 6 months i change the oil or near to that and 12 months a simple service.
the things is now that (if it dose end up to be the bottom end)it "could" cost £££do you want to spend your money on it..............?
i dont want to spend to much on the engine i rather put something else in?
typically how much do you think it will cost?
if you dont want to spend alot of money
why not just drop the sump off, change the big ends and hope its fine?
big end bearings, tube of silicone sealer and some oil
your looking about £60-£70 quid, but its not the best way to do things and probably wont last very long if the crank is scored and the rods gone oval
Matt Cole
22-03-2011, 22:03
It wasn't on long i just noticed it out the corner of my eye, not even long enough to see what light it was but the only one near it is the choke light and thats orange.
i dont want to spend to much on the engine i rather put something else in?
typically how much do you think it will cost?
Joe, my opinion would be to stick with the C1J and get it right once and for all!! I feel for you mate as you have had a right chew on from the off. Sometimes you just end up with a knacker :scared: and it tries your patience. If you still want to do a conversion then the easiest imo would be the B18ft engine and get it complete with all the ecu/wiring etc.
Josie172cup
22-03-2011, 22:47
Joe, my opinion would be to stick with the C1J and get it right once and for all!! I feel for you mate as you have had a right chew on from the off. Sometimes you just end up with a knacker :scared: and it tries your patience. If you still want to do a conversion then the easiest imo would be the B18ft engine and get it complete with all the ecu/wiring etc.
i just feel its going to be one thing after another with this engine and if im going to spend near a grand fixing it i may aswell put something a little better in :)
at the minute im trying to get it back from work but after then i need to figure out what im going to do as im using our lass' car atm
TNT ANDY
23-03-2011, 06:31
i just feel its going to be one thing after another with this engine and if im going to spend near a grand fixing it i may aswell put something a little better in :)
at the minute im trying to get it back from work but after then i need to figure out what im going to do as im using our lass' car atm
Jeepers - £1000 to fix a bottom end (if that's what it is???) Seems a lot to me. Are you not planning to do it yourself? even so £1000 seems a tad over the top.
Shells - £60
Head gasket - £60
Crank re-grind - £100.
I've still got £720 to play with.
Josie172cup
23-03-2011, 06:48
Jeepers - £1000 to fix a bottom end (if that's what it is???) Seems a lot to me. Are you not planning to do it yourself? even so £1000 seems a tad over the top.
Shells - £60
Head gasket - £60
Crank re-grind - £100.
I've still got £720 to play with.
if i was to get it rebuilt i'd be needing to use it quick as its my daily driver so it would involve paying someone else to do the work. i have no idea what that will cost. or where i can get it done.
if i where to go down the other route i would get another cheap car so i had plenty of time to work on the 5.
Doing a rebuild is easy you can have it done in a weekend and thats including removing engine out of the 5 and putting rebuild engine back in. Should still leave you with plenty of time spare for tea, coffee, food, and setting the ole girl up but you need to have all parts ready to go in.
Also check the oil pump tolerances swell as you don't want to rebuild and have an oil starvation problem again.
If you need I have a decent crank and decent spare oil pump:)
Do a comp test before you strip it down as oil problem could have been down to rings?
you could just pic up a used working bottom end maybe..
personally id just repair any damage and get it back together.
all hail the cheapo c1j
modfather
23-03-2011, 10:04
all hail the cheapo c1j
:worship:
Josie172cup
23-03-2011, 19:34
you could just pic up a used working bottom end maybe..
personally id just repair any damage and get it back together.
all hail the cheapo c1j
:worship:
^^ lol :laugh:
at this time i think its going to be better that way.
im going to ring a few garages as i dont think i have the knowledge to be able to do this quickly
^^ lol :laugh:
at this time i think its going to be better that way.
im going to ring a few garages as i dont think i have the knowledge to be able to do this quickly
Don't get a garage to do it they will just take the piss, what you need is a localish member whom can do it for you or give you a hand and help you do it:)
Have a word with your local are rep and see if they can help if not they may know another member up your way whom would be happy to do it for you.
Shame your so far up north there are a few members down this way whom are would be more than willing to help
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