how much bhp from a c1j?

[jamie_clioGTT]

Hi all!! Just a quick one.. How much bhp can u get out of a c1j? I.e standard block and forged. What's the most you've heard one running?

Sorry for the special question I just believe I'm being blagged by a lad I no.

Cheerss boyos!

[Adam 005]

Hi all!! Just a quick one.. How much bhp can u get out of a c1j? I.e standard block and forged. What's the most you've heard one running?

Sorry for the special question I just believe I'm being blagged by a lad I no.

Cheerss boyos!

all depends on set up i.e carb or efi even a big nos kit.i think you could see 250bhp maybe from a good efi setup. i heard all the my mates 5 storys over the years.think i was told once 300bhp from a gt on carb so who knows:eek:

[SCHWARTZ]

glen hi5 is pushing the boundaries of the c1j atm;)

[J$£5GTT]

dont go on just bhp either its how fast you can get the thing to accelerate.
torque...;)
:)

[jamie_clioGTT]

Yeah I appreciate its about torque and getting the power down but I'm just after figures so I can wise up and not be blagged if you understand? Just want to no of the most powerfull c1j's you've heard of.

Thanks again.

[Tony Walker]

take a look at the gianni santi vids. think one of them says his bhp somewhere. what mods and how accurate i dont know.

[Adam 005]

Yeah I appreciate its about torque and getting the power down but I'm just after figures so I can wise up and not be blagged if you understand? Just want to no of the most powerfull c1j's you've heard of.

Thanks again.

c1j was in more that just a gt turbo.once youve wised up on the c1j you will learn it's not all about bhp and that every one and there mate has had a gt with over 300bhp:D

[SCHWARTZ]

http://www.rtoc.org/cgi-bin/leader_board.cgi
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/showthread.php?t=14

[Ricardo]

For what it's worth i ran a T28, Forge FMIC, re jetted carb, stock bottom end.

174bhp-176ft/lbs at 18psi.

13.9@102mph at the Pod day in 2008

[Mart]

~240hp on std compression P&L's, std bottom end, std head & valvetrain, and std venturi.

21psi = 112mph traps. I think that still tops the low ish boost pressure vs trap speed table, NOS aside.

[jamie_clioGTT]

Great load of information!! Thanks a lot. I'm gunna take the lads 400 odd bhp as clown poo then!!

[JRP]

You can up the bhp by adding some bling, a couple dump valves.. some neons and a bass box.

Ive also heard that if you rub ronald macdonald up the right way you get a shot of his nos ;)

[jamie_clioGTT]

That's great news. I've just purchased some flashy dust caps so sure they will count for something also.

[Shakes]

You can up the bhp by adding some bling, a couple dump valves.. some neons and a bass box.

Ive also heard that if you rub ronald macdonald up the right way you get a shot of his nos ;)
Yup i can confirm this is true mate.
i took of my chrome wheels and fitted some clio 15" standards after doing this i only had 410bhp so i put the chrome's back on now back up to 612bhp .
also my dvd player packed up the other day so i replaced it with a standard stereo i didnt have enough cash left over to put it back on the rollers but i can say it felt alot slower.

[TNT ANDY]

Yeah I appreciate its about torque and getting the power down but I'm just after figures so I can wise up and not be blagged if you understand? Just want to no of the most powerfull c1j's you've heard of.

Thanks again.

I THINK Gm general terms with a T-25 OR T28 WITH About 18 to 20 lbs of boost you WILL be looking at about 175 - 200 bhp.

[TNT ANDY]

Yeah I appreciate its about torque and getting the power down but I'm just after figures so I can wise up and not be blagged if you understand? Just want to no of the most powerfull c1j's you've heard of.

Thanks again.

I THINK Gm general terms with a T-25 OR T28 WITH About 18 to 20 lbs of boost you WILL be looking at about 175 - 200 bhp.

[Alex]

The most I've seen from a C1J is 419 BHP.......... on a rolling road ;)

[djinuk]

most the folks certainly the ones local just talk poo jamie, ive heard some of the most silly things down this one.. one guy (and this is serious) told me he was running so much boost it required hugeeee jubiless around the whole engine and the head... obviously the head bolts wernt up to much..

http://www.streetrace.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=42386&highlight=renault

interesting one there.. reading the spec the engine sounds quite nice, when you see its just a mess, often its not the owners of the cars fault though, i think its just what there told, either by tuners or the guys they buy the car/engines off.

Also if its that guy who used to drive the mk1 escort rs aswell (think he owns a cossie apparatnly) he also told me his came onto boost twice and reved to 10krpm and beyond... Tom whos usually with me can also vouch for that, as we both looked in sheer disbelief at the **** rolling from his mouth.. :wasntme:

[SCHWARTZ]

Think everyone has had it at some point. When I got my car it was 210bhp on a standard t2:laugh: live and learn:rolleyes:

[BriC]

Think everyone has had it at some point. When I got my car it was 210bhp on a standard t2:laugh: live and learn:rolleyes:

Lol, I remember before I got my first GTT, I was looking on the K-Tec website, building a list of things I could buy. Luckily I didn't have the money at the time!

[The new Bill J]

Does anyone remember the one in Max Power many moons ago that had 550bhp?

It had a K-Tec 350bhp :laugh: engine, with a 200 shot of NOS on top :D

[Bigfoot]

Does anyone remember the one in Max Power many moons ago that had 550bhp?

It had a K-Tec 350bhp :laugh: engine, with a 200 shot of NOS on top :D

Is that the one which blew the engine up when getting that figure on the rolling road, or the max power one where he has changed the head gasket 40+ times :confused:

[modfather]

Is that the one which blew the engine up when getting that figure on the rolling road, or the max power one where he has changed the head gasket 40+ times :confused:


changing the head gasket 40+ times :eek: i would of gave up way before that

[The new Bill J]

.....or the max power one where he has changed the head gasket 40+ times :confused:

I can't remember that much detail :laugh:

That sounds like Sparkie though :D

[Nayls]

gianni santi,glenn hi 5 & scoff's old c1j were all surely over a genuine 300hp i would think? possibly more?

[Mart]

Not forgetting Stuart Clark as well.

[Rob1980]

Lol, I remember before I got my first GTT, I was looking on the K-Tec website, building a list of things I could buy. Luckily I didn't have the money at the time!

I had to learn the hard way unfortunately. I had the money and yes I spent it. K-tec have about 5k of my money! What a moron I was!! I really wish I had joined this site before I did that.

[jamie_clioGTT]

Surely it would have to be forged after a certain amount of power?

[BluntyR5GTT]

npt sure on what the limit is with the c1j but from what i see its not to hard to get it around 200-220bhp which i think is about perfect for a gtt

[raider_gtt]

The most I've seen from a C1J is 419 BHP.......... on a rolling road ;)

jeaus are you sure ????? i was told 370 would like to see one at 419bhp

[raider_gtt]

Does anyone remember the one in Max Power many moons ago that had 550bhp?

It had a K-Tec 350bhp :laugh: engine, with a 200 shot of NOS on top :D


anyone got any pics of this i would like to see that

550bhp with nos thats metal

[Nayls]

Not forgetting Stuart Clark as well.


:agree: him too!

sorry stu! :ashamed:

[Markey Mark (BD)]

Does anyone remember the one in Max Power many moons ago that had 550bhp?

It had a K-Tec 350bhp :laugh: engine, with a 200 shot of NOS on top :D


I remember him very well, he's from my way.

I've had run ins with him, what a crock of crap that comes out of his mouth! Doesn't have a clue.

I have the mag with his car in it here, reading the spec its alot of tuner BS and with the spec is realisticly no more than 230-240bhp but according to him its 550bhp and nothing out there would beat it.

Also that run he apparently did 550bhp on, he split the head in half.
I think if i forced enough nitrous through a C1J to point of descruction to get huge power claim can i say i have most powerful! :laugh:

[Sparkie]

i saw jaffa get 280bhp without NOS on two rolling road days.
i also saw Glen T get 365bhp with NOS on the rollers ( at power station?)

[Logg]

i saw jaffa get 280bhp without NOS on two rolling road days.
i also saw Glen T get 365bhp with NOS on the rollers ( at power station?)

Is this the one you mean mate?

http://rtoc.org/files/Magazine%20Articles/Renault%205/Redline%202003/Redline%20Feb%202003%20002.png

[Markey Mark (BD)]

Is this the one you mean mate?

http://rtoc.org/files/Magazine%20Articles/Renault%205/Redline%202003/Redline%20Feb%202003%20002.png


That was Danny Fennel of DD Autopsort.

[Logg]

Yeah but wasn't Glen the brains behind the car's back then! Trev had left for gay-tec and it was Glens work that Danny was selling!

[Markey Mark (BD)]

Yeah but wasn't Glen the brains behind the car's back then! Trev had left for gay-tec and it was Glens work that Danny was selling!

Ah yes very true, they did both work there for bit didn't they untill place got broken into and then shut down little while later.

[Scoff]

The golden rule here being that you should almost never believe anything that an RR has to say.

Maybe you can trust it if it's a brand new, top of the line Dyno Dynamics but if the geezas got some old sun roadamatic or bosch 202 in his floor that hasn't been calibrated in 10 yeas then I'd be walking away ;)

As the guys have said, 240hp on a standard internal engine is about the limit. Even that takes some accurate tuning, a good cam and a T28 to achieve. Mart always used to do very well at such relitively small amounts of boost, but most folk find it hard to make 240hp no matter how much boost they run.

Stuart clark has to be No.1 carburetted C1J BHP guy in the UK. He will have had an honest 300+ hp to make the trap speeds he was doing. As he prooved to himself though its nigh on impossible to go any better than that even when he added nitrous and found he went no quicker.

Finally now that we have an EFI powered C1J owner willing to push (or should I say let me push !!) his engine to the limits (Glenn HI5) we are able to see what additional power the C1J can make with the tiny carburettor removed. Glenn's engine is pretty hardcore in terms of build but essentially still runs a standard-ish cylinder head and a common as muck Piper 285 cam at standard timing. It makes 270hp or so @ 32psi boost, day in day out (you can literally pin your foot to the floor in 5th gear, get right up to the rev limiter and not have to worry about anything letting go!) and about 400hp with nitrous switched on. With a carb that would have been very hard to do.

What interested me the most with EFI on the C1J is that up to about 25psi of boost (in Glenn's case) the power output was comparable to that of a well setup carburettor engine. But where as most carb fed C1J's refuse to make any more power past that sort of boost the EFI engine would just keep going and going, responding to more and more boost. We've been able to go right up to the point where reversion has become the biggest problem and so now we're trying a new (actually my old C1J) camshaft to see if it'll help with that.

There you go, probably the longest post I've done for months :)

[BluntyR5GTT]

really good informative post there :agree:

[Brizza]

The golden rule here being that you should almost never believe anything that an RR has to say.

Maybe you can trust it if it's a brand new, top of the line Dyno Dynamics but if the geezas got some old sun roadamatic or bosch 202 in his floor that hasn't been calibrated in 10 yeas then I'd be walking away ;)

As the guys have said, 240hp on a standard internal engine is about the limit. Even that takes some accurate tuning, a good cam and a T28 to achieve. Mart always used to do very well at such relitively small amounts of boost, but most folk find it hard to make 240hp no matter how much boost they run.

Stuart clark has to be No.1 carburetted C1J BHP guy in the UK. He will have had an honest 300+ hp to make the trap speeds he was doing. As he prooved to himself though its nigh on impossible to go any better than that even when he added nitrous and found he went no quicker.

Finally now that we have an EFI powered C1J owner willing to push (or should I say let me push !!) his engine to the limits (Glenn HI5) we are able to see what additional power the C1J can make with the tiny carburettor removed. Glenn's engine is pretty hardcore in terms of build but essentially still runs a standard-ish cylinder head and a common as muck Piper 285 cam at standard timing. It makes 270hp or so @ 32psi boost, day in day out (you can literally pin your foot to the floor in 5th gear, get right up to the rev limiter and not have to worry about the anything letting go!) and about 400hp with nitrous switched on. With a carb that would have been very hard to do.

What interested me the most with EFI on the C1J is that up to about 25psi of boost (in Glenn's case) the power output was comparable to that of a well setup carburettor engine. But where as most carb fed C1J's refuse to make any more power past that sort of boost the EFI engine would just keep going and going, responding to more and more boost. We've been able to go right up to the point where reversion has become the biggest problem and so now we're trying a new (actually my old C1J) camshaft to see if it'll help with that.

There you go, probably the longest post I've done for months :)

:agree:

[BriC]

really good informative post there :agree:

Pah.. what would Scoff know!? K-Tec is where you want to be putting your money :p

[BluntyR5GTT]

haha yeah lets all go to ktec :laugh:

[Sparkie]

Is this the one you mean mate?

http://rtoc.org/files/Magazine%20Articles/Renault%205/Redline%202003/Redline%20Feb%202003%20002.png


yeah, im in the top photo at the back.... ;)

[Mart]

*Waits for the 'close but no cigar' quotes from that Redline RR day...* :rolleyes: :coffee: :laugh:

[bones660]

that is nothing . we had a south west meet a few year back . one kid who came . no names mentioned [ but he is on here] jesus in the seat knows who i'm on about . think he said he was running 26 bar of boost . must make the bhp fgure in the region of 1050 bhp or getting on that way . so yeah mate 400bhp from standard engine not a problem . :D:D:D

[Mart]

yeah, im in the top photo at the back.... ;)

Lovin' Eugein's hair in that pic :D

[The new Bill J]

*Waits for the 'close but no cigar' quotes from that Redline RR day...* :rolleyes: :coffee: :laugh:

Well it was you who claimed you had 270bhp ;) :laugh:

Eug looks about 14 in that pic :D, and Tom looks like he's full of anger :mad:

[Mart]

:wasntme:

I was misquoted.

;)

[The new Bill J]

:wasntme:

I was misquoted.

;)

'course you were sweetheart :cooter:

[Mart]

http://rtoc.org/files/Magazine%20Articles/Renault%205/Redline%202003/Redline%20Feb%202003%20002.png

I'm proper struggling with all the faces/names in that photo. I can see JP in the garage (with his head turned to his right), Golden Fingers himself, Deano, Eug', Colin, Tom, Danny, but that's about it.

Actually, the dude in the middle of the 3 lads, in-between Eug' & Colin looks familiar as well, but can't think of his name either - I'm sure he lived Luton way, and had Andy @ AJTuning look after his 5.

[Logg]

or even older. :wasntme:

europarts

http://rtoc.org/files/?path=Magazine%20Articles/Renault%205/Euro%20parts%20Rolling%20road%20day/

BB tuning

http://rtoc.org/files/?path=Magazine%20Articles/Renault%205/Revs%20Rollingroad%20day/http://rtoc.org/boards/images/new-smilies2/wasntme.gif

[Mudslinger]

mines made 270 bhp with a T25 @28psi with some spiking :ashamed: traps at pod were 112mph , at the moment ive abandoned it in the garage, but at some point id love to chase some power by trying a T28 ,wont be for a while though :crap:

whats the most bhp thats been made on a c1j running a t25 ?

[The new Bill J]

Actually, the dude in the middle of the 3 lads, in-between Eug' & Colin looks familiar as well, but can't think of his name either - I'm sure he lived Luton way, and had Andy @ AJTuning look after his 5.

Ras was his screen name wasn't it? I can't remember his real name -
Was it Shane? :scratch:

[Mart]

Ras was his screen name wasn't it? I can't remember his real name -
Was it Shane? :scratch:

That's the fella. He was a good lad :agree:

[The new Bill J]

That's the fella. He was a good lad :agree:

:agree:

I dunno what happened to him. I think the last time I spoke to him, he was just about to put his 5 back on the road, then he just disappeared :(. That was a fair few years ago now!

[Dave Reed]

Not forgetting Stuart Clark as well.

Or me :)

[Scoff]

Or me :)

:agree:

[Sparkie]

I'm proper struggling with all the faces/names in that photo. I can see JP in the garage (with his head turned to his right), Golden Fingers himself, Deano, Eug', Colin, Tom, Danny, but that's about it.

Actually, the dude in the middle of the 3 lads, in-between Eug' & Colin looks familiar as well, but can't think of his name either - I'm sure he lived Luton way, and had Andy @ AJTuning look after his 5.

the guy in the light blue top at the front is Jamie Denman.- his car was the purple one shown..
to the left of him is a guy called Brad.
two people to the right of denman is me.
two people to the right of me is a guy who's car i used to work on. (name escapes me)
to the right of him is Stringy (Matt Vokes)
to the right of him is Dean
to the right of him is eugein
3 people to the right of him is DJ Spida ( Nicky)
2 people to the right of him is Colin, then Tom and then Fennell.

;)

[jamie_clioGTT]

The golden rule here being that you should almost never believe anything that an RR has to say.

Maybe you can trust it if it's a brand new, top of the line Dyno Dynamics but if the geezas got some old sun roadamatic or bosch 202 in his floor that hasn't been calibrated in 10 yeas then I'd be walking away ;)

As the guys have said, 240hp on a standard internal engine is about the limit. Even that takes some accurate tuning, a good cam and a T28 to achieve. Mart always used to do very well at such relitively small amounts of boost, but most folk find it hard to make 240hp no matter how much boost they run.

Stuart clark has to be No.1 carburetted C1J BHP guy in the UK. He will have had an honest 300+ hp to make the trap speeds he was doing. As he prooved to himself though its nigh on impossible to go any better than that even when he added nitrous and found he went no quicker.

Finally now that we have an EFI powered C1J owner willing to push (or should I say let me push !!) his engine to the limits (Glenn HI5) we are able to see what additional power the C1J can make with the tiny carburettor removed. Glenn's engine is pretty hardcore in terms of build but essentially still runs a standard-ish cylinder head and a common as muck Piper 285 cam at standard timing. It makes 270hp or so @ 32psi boost, day in day out (you can literally pin your foot to the floor in 5th gear, get right up to the rev limiter and not have to worry about anything letting go!) and about 400hp with nitrous switched on. With a carb that would have been very hard to do.

What interested me the most with EFI on the C1J is that up to about 25psi of boost (in Glenn's case) the power output was comparable to that of a well setup carburettor engine. But where as most carb fed C1J's refuse to make any more power past that sort of boost the EFI engine would just keep going and going, responding to more and more boost. We've been able to go right up to the point where reversion has become the biggest problem and so now we're trying a new (actually my old C1J) camshaft to see if it'll help with that.

There you go, probably the longest post I've done for months :)

What a top post! :agree: cleared a few things up with that. Cheers pal.. Muchos appreciated!

[Matt Cole]

the guy in the light blue top at the front is Jamie Denman.- his car was the purple one shown..
to the left of him is a guy called Brad.
two people to the right of denman is me.
two people to the right of me is a guy who's car i used to work on. (name escapes me)
to the right of him is Stringy (Matt Vokes)
to the right of him is Dean
to the right of him is eugein
3 people to the right of him is DJ Spida ( Nicky)
2 people to the right of him is Colin, then Tom and then Fennell.

;)

Who's the ugly fekker 2 people to the right of denman?:D

[Eugein Offord]

http://rtoc.org/files/Magazine%20Articles/Renault%205/Redline%202003/Redline%20Feb%202003%20002.png

was that 2001 or 2002????............... a lot of old faces in the photo .........some have moved on to better thing and others have an MR2.......................


Colin's at the back................Deano from brum.........Sparkie...not smileing..........:):).....thomas murphy as a fly weight..............................BTW thats a syrup.............................:cry::cry:

[Eugein Offord]

is that dean holingsworth to colins right??

[J$£5GTT]

:sleep: