Backyard Racing Boosted Civic [Archive] - Page 2

Adam L

19-04-2010, 22:13

I'd say you could try my turbo, but I don't know if i'll be using it soon. It's a tad on the large side and all I know is it'll flow 60lbs per min.

Not to mention it's bloody heavy, and a twin scroll.

what's the new turbo you've ordered?

Anoter quick question. What size compressor wheel were you using with that turbine wheel as the hot side look fairly small, GT/T28 sized infact.

Rob@Backyardracing

19-04-2010, 22:30

62mm ind, 84 exd... .70 housing..

Adam L

19-04-2010, 22:40

That's a big arse compressor wheel for the size of the turbine wheel. I'm a little suprised you didn't have surging issues.

even my compressor wheel isn't that big, i've only got a 78mm ex x 54mm in and that's ''apparently'' rated to 600bhp. My turbine wheel exducer is 60mm with a 69.5 inducer.

I'll be honest, the turbo cost me nothing and if I don't get what I want it'll get dumped for a 3076R twin scroll

Rob@Backyardracing

30-04-2010, 19:04

Well today was like one of those Xmas days again :)...But looks like ill defo not have a cam for the rtoc event tho :crap: now considering to cancel it leave the car as it is and start to fund the B engine... For now tho the turbo can sit there, im drinking that can and going out on the slash :beer:

Andrew Cooke

30-04-2010, 19:18

wot no ported shroud :rolleyes:

:laugh:

Rob@Backyardracing

30-04-2010, 19:24

lol, your familiar with the unit then.

billet compressor wheel though :)

Andrew Cooke

30-04-2010, 19:34

lol, your familiar with the unit then.

billet compressor wheel though :)

nope, maybe I should have a read up. It just strikes me as the kind of thing that might surge :D

Adam L

30-04-2010, 21:38

ohhh, billet compressor wheel, very flash:D

Scoff

30-04-2010, 22:12

That looks like my 35r compressor - no shroud on that either. I do have a shrouded cover for it though, never bothered fitting it since it didn't seem to surge :)

Rob@Backyardracing

01-05-2010, 02:39

That looks like my 35r compressor - no shroud on that either. I do have a shrouded cover for it though, never bothered fitting it since it didn't seem to surge :)

yep looks sim to our old one too, as for shroud find me a honda that needs it.. they seem work ok without surge...........:)

Rob@Backyardracing

05-05-2010, 21:57

Just been out testing and some breif mapping... all seems well.. hope to have a good weekend and improve from the first round... :)

Rob@Backyardracing

07-07-2010, 23:26

Must be well over due some updates... the only update i have from tonight is that a B18C4 now sits in Backyard Racings hands....:devil:

Scoff

08-07-2010, 00:33

Uh oh, thats it, all enthusiasm for D16 will be dead then ? :cry: B18, does that mean I need to be scared ? :D

Rob@Backyardracing

08-07-2010, 07:52

The D16 is currently being rebuilt and will see us to the then of the year.. Id like to aim high with the B , will have to see... The D is a brill motor and VERY cheap to do, prob the same price to tune as a C1J but with alot better results as you know. But with the weight class a B will suit us more, plus the gearboxs are better, loads of ratios to choise from etc etc and 11k rpm hhhhhmmmmmmmm... :)

rs250nut

08-07-2010, 08:41

B18 eh, should go proper well 700whp here we come. What are you chaps using for a turbo these days, precision 6262 billet ? Sorry:ashamed:

Rob@Backyardracing

08-07-2010, 20:42

Ok so bit of an update to whats happened and where we at with this project..

Well going back to the second round of HKS, we fitted the new turbo in time and had some breif mapping before the event hoping to dail the rest of the car in down at Pod on the RWYB the saturday before the Main event, PTM show.. This didnt happen and it rained so we seemed to be in the same boat as the first round, Great!!! Long story short we made it to final via a default of TDI, but blow the gearbox on the start line so came away with second and some prize funds to help the build..

Now before the next round we had the RTOC test day, so the box was changed and the Hondata Boost controllor was bought which was really much needed. The car with anit lag and LC makes 15psi on the startline, then once moving (at our selected speed) we was running 32psi. The sudden torq was killing our box and also giving huge wheel spin in 1st and 2nd. We only running the MH 23"... Also before this event the cam finaly arrived after such a long time.. Yayyyyy..

So at Rtoc we spent most of the day/ morning trying to set the boost controller etc, which just didnt want to happen.. afternoon came round and the bleed valve came back out just so we can test the cam.. After a few runs we was back in the 10s (ok 10.9) but more importantly to me our traps where back up to 132mph.. this was huge to us as our car weights about 150kg more than what our silver car did last year.. We managed this with a good sum of less ign timing and also at stock cam timing.. we couldnt go any further as we now have maxed out (100% duty) the RC 750cc inj... so that was that back home we came...

Rob@Backyardracing

08-07-2010, 20:52

So the next round for us was jap show. We wanted to make some more changes yet again and get better 60fts and 330s, so i sorted some 24.5" drags and also we shifted some weight around.. We managed to find a solid steel bar weighting 25kgs which was bolted to the front along with our 16kg bum bell weights allready sat there.. so this gave us 41kg of weight sat on the front cross member, dont forget we still have another 50kg in the foot well and under carpets.. plus we need to run a near full tank of fuel.. just to get us to pass scrutineering... :eek: also we made sum bumper holes to help the flow under the car as the rear bumper is prettty much a big wind break on these eg`s...

few pics here...

Andrew Cooke

08-07-2010, 20:59

looks like you need a steel splitter in 1" plate, nice and low :)

Rob@Backyardracing

08-07-2010, 21:01

After this we got down to sorting the boost controller out, and we made some good progress... just needed a few tweeks and re testing, so one evening while out, two days before the event, the big end decided to take a ****.... great... :crap: so i thought id be able to fix it intime but seems like the rod has gone too.. so that was that, i borrowed a 98 d16 coupe for the HKS to collect points and managed to run a 17.9 happy days..:laugh: TDI northwest was happy to lend me there type R FN2 but i turned it down and stuck with a single slammer...

Rob@Backyardracing

08-07-2010, 21:09

So im currently sorting parts to rebuild of D, then we going to leave it at what level tune it is, or even pull some back.. then at the end of this year all our running gear will be up for grabs, including turbo, clutch, boxs, spares, inj`s... not the ecu tho..

So with all the weight we have carry (unlike you ESC boys :p) our little 1590cc SOHC motor is to small for what aims we have in mind... so we picked up this.. Its currently being used as a run around then the motor and box will be ripped from it then of to the crusher for the rest.... Hopefully next year will be brighter than this one... :)

Rob@Backyardracing

08-07-2010, 21:14

rs250nut

08-07-2010, 23:00

Andy i could add about another 10-12kg in lead shots yet in the very base of the front lower cross... I think over the winter we will have chance to do all this.. last winter we had to build a complete new motor and car including cage etc etc for this year, so we just havnt put time into these areas which is completly stupid as its simple gains to be had for no money... :)

RSnut.... correct 6262 billet... to small for the B tho..

Facking hell you boys must be going for crazy power, people in the U.S have made well over 700whp with that turbo:eek: although at quite high boost. I do agree though the 6765 billet is a nice turbo:devil: I cant wait to see this:agree:. How much do you want for the car your going to scrap, my b16 will go straight in there:laugh: proper sleeper

Rob@Backyardracing

08-07-2010, 23:27

Facking hell you boys must be going for crazy power, people in the U.S have made well over 700whp with that turbo:eek: although at quite high boost. I do agree though the 6765 billet is a nice turbo:devil: I cant wait to see this:agree:. How much do you want for the car your going to scrap, my b16 will go straight in there:laugh: proper sleeper

It should be something if we can pull it off... Will have to see.. Would like to be up there with TDI and CPL but on a budget... :)... ill be in touch then and let you know what we do with it... :agree:

rs250nut

08-07-2010, 23:53

It should be something if we can pull it off... Will have to see.. Would like to be up there with TDI and CPL but on a budget... :)... ill be in touch then and let you know what we do with it... :agree:

I take it your going to sleeve it then? There is nothing more I would like to see than a tuner get his ass handed to him on a plate, and for half the money:)

Rob@Backyardracing

09-07-2010, 07:50

Yep it will be sleeved, unsure which combo and CR to go for yet regarding rods/pistons... it seems the not many peeps like to say :coffee:

rs250nut

09-07-2010, 08:20

I have had mine set to 9.0-1, i I know mines not an 18 but the two motors are not that diffrent. I asked if it were worth going higher but got told not to bother. I suppose if you were to run it on proper fuel you could get away with 10.0-1

Rob@Backyardracing

18-07-2010, 21:29

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh Boom!!!!!!.... 9.86@151mph D16 on Vitaras........ SFWD class too...:smokin:

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2806473

rs250nut

18-07-2010, 22:05

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh Boom!!!!!!.... 9.86@151mph D16 on Vitaras........ SFWD class too...:smokin:

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2806473

I read through that thread the other day, built a engine then it spun a bearing on the dyno, rebuilt it with vitaras and it runs a 9.86 and a new d16 record. Sleeve the d16:devil:

Rob@Backyardracing

18-07-2010, 22:14

its tempting :)

those yanks dont half get it done

rs250nut

18-07-2010, 22:26

I watched this video of miller running a 8.5 @ 173 the other day and did not know what to think, are we 10 years behind in the U.K or is it because the yanks get so much more support with sponsership etc. Saying that even the big tuners in this country have only just touched in to the 9's with a k-series

I dont know if anyone has watched it but its makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up everytime I watch it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0wtoLuZnc4

Rob@Backyardracing

18-07-2010, 22:32

lol yeah one of my fav vids that, awesome!

yeah, there years in front of us, but you must consider drag racing is much more popular over there, and much deeper rooted, old the muscle cars etc, its what they do!
europe is much more into corners

Rob@Backyardracing

18-07-2010, 22:51

Rob@Backyardracing

20-07-2010, 23:37

Rooooooaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :mad: i hate YANKS.... seen me coming, Mr desperate for a rod here...f***ers

Anyway lets hope i get some progress now with our D and make rota stock... :)

rs250nut

21-07-2010, 17:02

Rooooooaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :mad: i hate YANKS.... seen me coming, Mr desperate for a rod here...f***ers

Anyway lets hope i get some progress now with our D and make rota stock... :)

Whats that have they made you buy a complete set?

Rob@Backyardracing

21-07-2010, 17:57

Nope i managed get a single rod from eagle, FJ being way way to slow to get back and a nightmere to deal with at mo... they just raped me with shipping!!!.. We will have to run a one odd rod to the rest, but they all messure exactly the same, all H beam etc etc.. just the eagle is 20g heavier, so ill have to balance it out... should work ok tho..:)... Going to order all new ACL bearings and all gaskets early next week and once parts arrive i can get the D fully rebuilt back up.. Going to give the engine a complete strip and overhaul, chem wash, the lot... Its going up for sale after jap show final...

Rob@Backyardracing

26-07-2010, 19:10

less than 2 weeks after running that 9.86, those guys just smashed out a
9.65@153 (9.65@153)! on a d16 with cast pistons! 1590cc, and 1049kg! that is unreal :eek:

Brigsy

26-07-2010, 19:28

Awesome, never underestimate the power of a single cam lump!

Rob@Backyardracing

26-07-2010, 23:06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vd8--SbnFU

Scoff

26-07-2010, 23:50

Thats incredible, do we know what sort of boost they run ?

Rob@Backyardracing

27-07-2010, 09:58

they mention on a thread they hit 43psi in 4th gear, and that on a 67mm inducer turbo :eek:

rs250nut

27-07-2010, 10:53

they mention on a thread they hit 43psi in 4th gear, and that on a 67mm inducer turbo :eek:

Another car running a precision turbo and getting it done, precision 6765 billet thats the turbo Im going to use on my build:devil:

Rob@Backyardracing

27-07-2010, 11:25

J$£5GTT

27-07-2010, 17:33

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vd8--SbnFU

:cool:

rs250nut

27-07-2010, 17:33

aiii, we may need to upgrade our 6262 for the b18, theres talk on the hks forum that one competitor is running the mitsi 4g63 engine (evo) in a fwd car running a 72mm unit, that combo is good for over 900hp (obviously if everything else done correctly)

Thats crazy, I have seen peeps make 850whp with a 6765 on the 4G63. Whats the engine in? is it an eclipse or something? are engine swaps ok in the hks?

Rob@Backyardracing

27-07-2010, 17:49

Thats crazy, I have seen peeps make 850whp with a 6765 on the 4G63. Whats the engine in? is it an eclipse or something? are engine swaps ok in the hks?

Its the FTO owned by Rich B... Yes hes allowed to do that swap, same manufacture...

Rob@Backyardracing

03-08-2010, 22:05

Well tonight i got the engine built back up and should get it back in car later this week. We managed to find a single rod, after some messing around, but Eagle sorted us one out. So yeah its not the same make as the other 3 FJR rods but its the same dimensions, material etc, only difference is a taller cap so about 15g heavier, Ive shaved it down to match to the rest and fitted the rod next to flywheel as i feel this will help, IF any inbalance, but IMO its going to be perfect and not even an issue. Also i had to shave the crank girdle for clearance.. The block, head, oil pump the lot has all been fully stripped, checked over, Chem cleaned up and fully rebuilt with new gaskets and full ACL race bearings...

This engine is going up FORSALE after jap show final along with many other parts, turbo, injectors... The engine core with manifolds is pervisonaly sold ATM but open to offers over £1000.. :)

Rob@Backyardracing

03-08-2010, 22:12

Few more pics of the engine coming on... :).. Looking forward to getting back to pod soon and see the year out with some single slamming boost before we go B18...

Kris M

03-08-2010, 22:56

:agree:

Jessop

04-08-2010, 01:13

Looking good rob, keep up the good work =]

Rob@Backyardracing

17-08-2010, 19:40

Well making some good progress but we at a point now we really cant tune this motor anymore without changes.. We are at 100% inj duty with the 750cc, and boost is creeping alot.. after 7500k rpm is where our creep starts and we really cant rev it more than 9k even though the motor wants too and STILL carrys is torq well :).. From 7.5-9k we creep about 5psi much more we going to lean due to the 100% duty.. our total boost is 35psi but going to set the cut at 40psi.. We could start upping the fuel pressure more but in someway i dont want to puch this motor anymore than this... With a decent set of manifolds, bigger gate, new injectors.. and better ign coil could make some impressive figures... Must say these D`s are awsome things for the cost...:D

Now for the worms...Total whp made today was 498hp but never saved this run tipical... but saved a 488hp run with graph below..

Would like to thank Paul West @ TDI Northwest for giving us access to the dyno and workshop and leaving us to it with his gear etc :agree: top guys...

Andrew Cooke

17-08-2010, 19:55

whichever way you look at it, maxing out 750s is good power :)

just don't break it now....

Rob@Backyardracing

17-08-2010, 20:03

I know, the motor is sold too... :scared: really excited now for the b18 next year..... :devil:

Spooky

17-08-2010, 20:10

Good stuff Rob, graph looks good too. You must be happy with that :agree:

Rob@Backyardracing

17-08-2010, 20:27

Good stuff Rob, graph looks good too. You must be happy with that :agree:

Be happy when im revving to 11k + and carry that torq all the way... :D

Scoff

17-08-2010, 20:30

500hp is the new 200hp :D looking good buddy.

rs250nut

17-08-2010, 22:22

Should have said Rob i have a set of 1000's here. Hope all gos well for you boys at the weekend.

Rob@Backyardracing

17-08-2010, 22:28

Should have said Rob i have a set of 1000's here. Hope all gos well for you boys at the weekend.

cheers lad, Paul at TDI had a set of 1200s on the self that he was happy for us to stick on but we dont want to remap the whole car, plus then we will just keep pushing it more.. lol.. need to leave it be.. :)..i think id sooner up fuel pressure first...

Spooky

17-08-2010, 23:26

Be happy when im revving to 11k + and carry that torq all the way... :D

:agree:

Can not wait to see that in the flesh, only a matter of time :D

5teve L

17-08-2010, 23:37

Awesome stuff Rob, glad things seem to be going well bud. Hope to catch up with you at an event soon.

Rob@Backyardracing

20-08-2010, 22:00

just don't break it now....

:laugh::wasntme:

Back home allready with a beer, a light wallet and 400miles clocked up on a round trip to the pod... Nothing to sereious but cant race it so packed up, came home and decided to call it a day and pull out the series for rest of year...

Markey Mark (BD)

20-08-2010, 22:04

What happened to the old girl mate?

Rob@Backyardracing

20-08-2010, 22:11

Unsure at mo mate.. just shoved it in garage for now got a pizza and a cold one.... need a weekend now car free, might cut the lawn tomoz... :scared:

Markey Mark (BD)

20-08-2010, 22:16

Unsure at mo mate.. just shoved it in garage for now got a pizza and a cold one.... need a weekend now car free, might cut the lawn tomoz... :scared:

Know how you feel mate.

Rob@Backyardracing

21-08-2010, 23:03

Well stripped the honda today, it looks like the head has lifted... What you say????? yes it looks like the head has lifted!!!... you can see where the gas has been blowing right across the head in all directions to the edge... Seems like that bull**** term ive heard all my life from tuners is true! when i thought it was an excuse for a head gasket to go as you cant tune a car!!!..

There is nothing at all on the map/logs to indicate anything odd... AFR`s good, our total ign was low anyway.. Seems like at 35+ psi ARP head bolts may be needed...

Andrew Cooke

21-08-2010, 23:07

what bolts/size do you use at the moment?

Rob@Backyardracing

21-08-2010, 23:10

what bolts/size do you use at the moment?
oh dog **** ones the OE, m10`s fine or of that nature....

Scoff

21-08-2010, 23:28

knowing rob he'll have some long wood screws in there ..

Rob@Backyardracing

21-08-2010, 23:36

knowing rob he'll have some long wood screws in there ..

Did i tell you i drained my oil into your trophy today??? i just didnt have anything at hand ............

Andrew Cooke

21-08-2010, 23:46

oh dog **** ones the OE, m10`s fine or of that nature....

pretty small then, can you go bigger?

Rob@Backyardracing

21-08-2010, 23:52

pretty small then, can you go bigger?

You could yes if your prepered to re drill... its easier to go arp.. Peeps are trapping over 150mph running over 45psi with this size bolt on the D motor.. no point re inventing the wheel if you get me mate... on the b18 ill go direct to studs and arps etc as i do intended to run that amount of boost in time..

Scoff

21-08-2010, 23:53

Did i tell you i drained my oil into your trophy today??? i just didnt have anything at hand ............

:D

Rob@Backyardracing

06-09-2010, 20:45

Well looks like Speedfactory have been out at it again with there B18 outlaw car (these are the same guys that built the d16 i posted up earlier in thread)... Seems like this b18 is one of the more basic builds out the outlaw group, still running the hondata s300 piggy back, oh and yet another precision 72 billet unit pulling the numbers in.... :smokin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUbOfV3cIQY

Rob@Backyardracing

06-09-2010, 20:50

oh and 179mph trap!! yes, 179mph :eek:

Andrew Cooke

06-09-2010, 20:57

oh and 179mph trap!! yes, 179mph :eek:

must be another one o them extreme down hill dragstrips they have in the states :D

Rob@Backyardracing

06-09-2010, 21:35

yeah must be :) i noticed he made 133mph @ 1/8th, more than us at the 1/4 lol

Andrew Cooke

06-09-2010, 21:40

yeah must be :) i noticed he made 133mph @ 1/8th, more than us at the 1/4 lol

what do you reckon, about twice your power?

Rob@Backyardracing

06-09-2010, 21:45

more than that id say. i would expect ~1200hp.... its no flyweight

Andrew Cooke

06-09-2010, 21:49

more than that id say. i would expect ~1200hp.... its no flyweight

is weight making much difference at those terminals? You must need something like 400hp just to drive at 179mph :confused:

Rob@Backyardracing

06-09-2010, 22:08

Andrew Cooke

06-09-2010, 22:19

im sure you know if it does or not :)

i would of thought so, top speed no, but how quickly it will reach that speed i think weight plays a big part on. i think the weight plays a bigger part in the 1st 1/8th mile than the 2nd 1/8th of the track though, hence the flyweight n/a cars are very good upto the 1/8th, but make no mph ..

:) it's going to be close to that

Think about this.

Assume a GTT weighs 2Kg and has 200hp, it has enough power to push through the air a sniff over 140mph, but how fast would it go before it didn't have enough traction to drive through the air? (assume no lift).

Rob@Backyardracing

06-09-2010, 22:41

im sure there is a formula to calculate tractive effort vs drag...

and with a full size car weighing 2kg, even with 200hp, i bet it couldnt top 40mph
without breaking traction.

but my argument would be that a lightweight car is not slower through the traps becasuse its broke traction, after all, there not spinning through the traps.

as for breaking traction in the lower gears, i thought you may be have a point, and maybe the heavier car would make better 1/8th times, but it never happens in reality, and i think thats because its breaking traction due to high G force, and not drag as it would at high speed

Kris M

06-09-2010, 23:24

wow, thats fast ! :)

rs250nut

14-09-2010, 11:08

Is that the turbo your going to use Rob?

Rob@Backyardracing

14-09-2010, 18:05

sadly not, there $3595 :eek:

and we tend to break things too, that would be upsetting :wasntme:

Ron

14-09-2010, 19:04

Cant you get a ebay copy Rob? :DWhat sort of gearbox do they use?

Rob@Backyardracing

14-09-2010, 20:13

not with the billet compressor ron, im sure there are 72mm inducer units about on ebay, but weve broke a few ebay turbos now, and with us needing a degree of reliability in the series, we cant risk the ebay turbos really, there too hit and miss, the last one we had literally lasted 1 event :crap:

Andrew Cooke

14-09-2010, 20:22

I can't remember, did you look at BW turbos?

Rob@Backyardracing

14-09-2010, 20:35

yes andy, thats probably what we are going with. s372, journal. cheap units, reasonable quality, and are rebuildable, dont seem to be as good at high pressure ratios as these new fangled billet compressors which are doing the rounds now, but still have made some big numbers/traps on honda motors

rs250nut

14-09-2010, 20:55

What about the 6765 billet, can be had for £700 and have been known to make 900 whp, I suppose your after alot more though

Scoff

14-09-2010, 21:03

What about the 6765 billet, can be had for £700 and have been known to make 900 whp, I suppose your after alot more though

it's a shame they won't publish compressor maps for those.

Rob@Backyardracing

14-09-2010, 21:22

yeah ive seen some dynos from the mitsi 4g63 boys making big numbers on those blowers, but they run really crazy boost to do it.

the 6767 is a possable (t4 only), we think we will go t4 divided flange on the new motor, most of the big stuff (72mm+) is t4, and we cant see ever dropping turbo size.

rs250nut

14-09-2010, 21:31

it's a shame they won't publish compressor maps for those.

I know its pretty bollocks tbh, having to go on other peoples experiences, lucky **** loads of people with hondas use them. Even the actual wheel sizes are hard enough to find.

Scoff

14-09-2010, 21:34

I know its pretty bollocks tbh, having to go on other peoples experiences, lucky **** loads of people with hondas use them. Even the actual wheel sizes are hard enough to find.

I remember trying to find data on the 6767 billet, I was wasting my time, nothing but no-nothing yanks giving their 2p :D a couple of worth while looking opinions amongst the crap though.

I just looked up that borg warner compressor rob's talking about, that looks tasty.

rs250nut

14-09-2010, 21:53

Its physicaly a big ass turbo not to mention the 101mm wheel inside.

Rob@Backyardracing

14-09-2010, 22:02

Scoff

14-09-2010, 22:08

don't you think it's fantastic then that they call themselves "precision turbo's" without offering up any evidence of that precision ? that'll be an oxymoron :D

rs250nut

14-09-2010, 22:38

the 6767 is the t4 version i think?

the 6765 comes in t3.

maybe the lack of maps is something to do with garrett, as precision only modify the turbos, they are actually garrett items (chra at least), marketing reasons maybe

From what I have read recently precision dont have anything to do with garrett anymore, but maybe like Scoff said earlier the interweb is a minefield

Rob@Backyardracing

14-09-2010, 22:43

oh ok, maybe they manufacture there own chra`s now then

rs250nut

14-09-2010, 22:55

On another subject I have some acl main bearings that might be of some use to you.

Rob@Backyardracing

23-09-2010, 23:10

And another B18 in the 8s running s300... 8.81@173mph.. there all coming out the wood work now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IDbUMFeeEM

philr5t

24-09-2010, 00:22

And another B18 in the 8s running s300... 8.81@173mph.. there all coming out the wood work now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IDbUMFeeEM

very impressive

rs250nut

18-10-2010, 18:33

Any progress with the b18 yet rob?

Rob@Backyardracing

18-10-2010, 18:59

Ive just spent $2000 just on a few engine parts..... is that classed as progress... :) old motor all gone now mate.. We will be breaking the ek vti S soon... the cars are sat in unit side by side and we will get the b18 fitted and running soon just to make sure everything ok with the s300 and looms, shafts mounts etc.. then the engine build will start.. :D

rs250nut

18-10-2010, 20:59

If you have a spare loom that would work with my motor I would be intrested. Have you sleeved the block?

Rob@Backyardracing

18-10-2010, 21:28

We might have the b18 spare? unsure at min tho, also a p30 ecu? big brake conversion?

Yes ill be sleeving the block, darton Mids.. not running stock bore tho..

rs250nut

18-10-2010, 22:10

84mm or bigger? Are you using the 87 or 89 mm crankBig brake conversion?

Rob@Backyardracing

07-11-2010, 01:22

The B18 was fitted today, all went well, up and running and test drove..:) now time to pull it back out..

rs250nut

11-11-2010, 09:27

Come on Rob lets see some progress pics:D

Rob@Backyardracing

12-11-2010, 23:11

Come on Rob lets see some progress pics:D

lol, ill sort some soon, nothing of interest really at mo mate.. :). You need hurry up and finish yours!!!

Rob@Backyardracing

13-11-2010, 17:30

Just for the honda junky..:p

Nothing exciting just how the car is now, The engine will becoming out tomorrow and prob make a start to tidy the bay and give it some paint. Also we will be painting all inside the car soon, fitting new seats and a new carpet (black) pos flock dash etc.. Also we swapped the selector rods and stick from the VTI so now we have a shiny gear knob :D

My darton MID sleeves should be here soon so i can make a start on the sleeving, also the CP pistons, Eagle Rods, Edelbrook Victor X intake, ARPS, cometic gasket should be here anytime.. We have lots of changes we need to make to the car. A second fuel pump will be fitted (bocsh 044) work with our current Welbor intank pump, also a change of lines will be needed.. We going to change all the intake to 3" bore, (so all the old pipe run will be up for grabs - rs250nut).. Im really hoping to be running the Borg Warner S372 (72mm) from the off next year, poss with a set of ID2000cc... Unsure of exhaust mani yet, have a few ideas, maybe sweet talk scoff to help fab a nice one ;)...

Scoff

13-11-2010, 19:07

5teve L

13-11-2010, 19:47

:agree::eek:
72mm, 2000cc squirters, I like you're thinking :D

Rob@Backyardracing

16-11-2010, 09:10

well to be honest, we would of liked smaller steps i think, so as to learn the car, and gain more experiance as we go, as with these higher and higher powered cars, suspension, traction, tyres, and even aerodynamics take much bigger effects, our old 132mph car was just starting to get interesting with traction (needing boost control by gear), and then i wanted to have a play with controling boost via rear wheel speed, as boost by gear is all well and good, but controling boost through a spinning wheel wont work :laugh:

so we would of liked to go 67mm ideally, and stay t3 flange, and maybe hope for a 10.2 pass or so as a PB. and simply learn the car more, and the technology, study what improvments we find from intake manifolds changes (plenum sizes ect).
but quite simply if we do that, we will get left behind in a big way by the rest of the field, so we will be going "all out" from the off next year, and will need to learn fast, and hope the gearboxs/shafts etc hold up to the power we expect to make. if we start breaking box`s were screwed, as the aftermarket uprated gears and casings are crazy ££££ :(

5teve L

16-11-2010, 09:32

Yep, the budget side of things have reached the limits by the sounds of it mate, into big money from now... Time to drum up some sponsers ;)
Looking forward to hearing how it goes anyway :)

Scoff

16-11-2010, 10:21

Rob, what's the "GSR" box ? There's guys running 160mph + and 9.x on stock GSR boxes isn't there ?

Rob@Backyardracing

16-11-2010, 12:09

Rob@Backyardracing

19-11-2010, 18:39

Christmas has come early :).. Came home to the first batch of parts.. Our engine is ready to be stripped so make a start on this over weekend then drag the block to work so we can get cracking with the sleeving.. :)

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/021-2.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/018-2.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/023-1.jpg

5alldaway

19-11-2010, 21:26

:):agree:

rs250nut

20-11-2010, 00:39

thats the type R` box, we have a variant of that, and yeah, people have run big numbers on it, but i dont think they get many passes per box.

looks like were going to need to bite the bullet and start to learn to rebuild gearbox`s :cry:

There is a decent write up on ht about stripping and rebuilding a b series box, im going to pull mine apart soon so I can have a nosey and give it a bit of a clean. This is my only real concern at the moment, if **** starts braking a decent gearset is around $8000 dollars, I dread to think also on top for a billet bell housing. Nice update though bud, I wish I had a car.

Rob@Backyardracing

20-11-2010, 18:56

get an old reck and get out there, you dont need to be the fastest to have fun, theres always someone quicker than you...

Rob@Backyardracing

21-11-2010, 15:28

After a trip to Tweeks to check out some seats etc we made a start on the interior and picked up this for the ricer.. Just to make sure we can stay in a stright line.. finaly we can start binning that awful interior that comes in these EG`s...

Rob@Backyardracing

11-12-2010, 15:10

So made a start on cleaning the bay up ready for paint. We have filled all the holes and unused bolt holes in, and basicly we going to make it look clean and tidy and re route the loom, we house the fuse box etc.. Ive orderd the new turbo, Borg warner 72mm, 1.1 AR turbine... the first of still a huge list of parts we need..:(..

rs250nut

12-12-2010, 18:30

Should look good mate, how do you go about wire tucking it, is the loom pulled through the leg? Going with a straight white again

Rob@Backyardracing

12-12-2010, 19:24

Should look good mate, how do you go about wire tucking it, is the loom pulled through the leg? Going with a straight white again

Unsure the routing yet for some of the loom, the lights will route down the legs or inner wings.. We leaving this work into deans capable hands :) the car will also stay white...

Rob@Backyardracing

31-12-2010, 12:56

Ok so now the car has had its paint, just inside and under bonnet, Good work dean!.. The next set is to start the interior, we are going to buy some aftermarket black carpet and line the floor, also we may make the dash and door cards look more tidy. We now have the new pumps (two bosch 044 pumps) we going to mount under the car and fit new lines. The feed line will become the new return (-6) and a new feed will be fitted (-8) also a new reg (not a rail reg).. While the car is still stripped down im going to fit a staging brake in the car along with a bias valve and new brake lines..

The engine still hasnt been started yet, the machines at work have been way to busy with the back log or porsche engines needed to be complete for the new year. I hoping to get cracking with this in jan..

Few pics of how the car is now..

Rob@Backyardracing

31-12-2010, 13:00

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/002-2.jpg

rs250nut

31-12-2010, 15:48

I thought you were going for a -10 fuel rail? Have a look on eBay for fittings, I just brought a load for quarter of the price they would have been new from the states. Shell looks good bud, are you painting the exterior or is it clean?

Rob@Backyardracing

31-12-2010, 17:40

Well after speaking to Tony T1, he runs all -8 with -8 rail... We was going to go -10 till we found this out, plus more rails available at 8.. As for fittings we only going to buy a couple and use jubles here and there lol.. should be reet... them fittings soon add up in price, its around 200 quid to just kit it out with all them..

The shell isnt brill but better then most others, we plan to wrap the car somtime in the future..

I kinda like this.... unsure what the others think..

Sparkie

31-12-2010, 18:53

doesn't that add weight?

Scoff

31-12-2010, 19:26

doesn't that add weight?

It doesn't matter, they're already running lots of balast to meet the 1039kg minimum weight.

Sparkie

31-12-2010, 22:30

i thought summat like that might be the case.
its a good colour scheme :agree: bit like Guile in SF2's alternative colours...(showing my age now) -city camo colour?

rs250nut

01-01-2011, 02:43

Bit like millers eg hatch without the orange? I did see a clio or was it a gtt with a camo paint job inside, looked quite good.

Rob@Backyardracing

05-01-2011, 18:32

The new turbo has arrived.... :)..

Here it is next to an old GT35 i have with a 70ar cover...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/037.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/038.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/039.jpg

And its twice the weight aswell.... have we gone over kill.....

HAndy

05-01-2011, 19:36

im guessing thats a a gt45r:eek:

Scoff

05-01-2011, 19:58

Borg warner s372, 72mm inducer, 1000hp rated :) If anyone thought the turbo on my engine was large, mine is the small one in that picture :cartman:

Rob@Backyardracing

05-01-2011, 20:31

You know you wana go 72mm scoff...

aaaiiiii its a Borg Warner, jernal bearing, nothing fancy as we race with a budget.... just need those new 2200cc IDs now to fuel it...:crap: not cheap..

rs250nut

05-01-2011, 22:54

Wow that's a big ass snail, did you buy it from T.D autowerks? I see you went for the twin scroll set up, are you going with a top mount manifold design of forward facing type? Nice progress though.:smokin:

Rob@Backyardracing

06-01-2011, 00:02

Yeah going with the top mount manifold and two 44mm wastegates.. Yep Td sorted us out, had a couple units from him now... sound guy...

Woznaldo

06-01-2011, 05:56

Am I right in thinking that monster, and it is a freakin monster, has no water cooling?

It looks the nuts!:agree:

I took a std T2 into work to pull it apart and the Aussie lads were taking the biscuit, saying "Do they do them for men?!". Cheeky feckers.

Hi 5

06-01-2011, 22:49

You know you wana go 72mm scoff...

aaaiiiii its a Borg Warner, jernal bearing, nothing fancy as we race with a budget.... just need those new 2200cc IDs now to fuel it...:crap: not cheap..

the 2200cc are a must son turbo look sweet when you get bored with it give us a shout lol

GTphil

07-01-2011, 14:14

Holy ****!:eek: I think I would rather frame that blower than actually use it!

Seriously impressive!:agree:

markey b

07-01-2011, 17:45

I did see a clio or was it a gtt with a camo paint job inside, looked quite good.

winstons white gtt, snow camo space invaders :agree:

5teve L

07-01-2011, 21:08

You don't do things by halves do you Rob :wasntme: That blower is going to want to suck in everything in the engine bay :devil:
What do they come on big rigs or something ?

HAndy

07-01-2011, 21:55

HAndy

07-01-2011, 22:10

mine was supposed to be around 44lb flow and a pressure ratio of 3.5 to get 400 bhp seemed a little high for me :scared: that was using the formula's on garrets web page,:(
but changing the 2.0 litre for a 1.8l and keeping the same maximum rpm rating of 7200:homer:

Maka

08-01-2011, 01:37

Borg warner s372, 72mm inducer, 1000hp rated :) If anyone thought the turbo on my engine was large, mine is the small one in that picture :cartman:

sweeettt jesus!

rs250nut

08-01-2011, 10:26

HAndy

08-01-2011, 18:12

http://www.timsturbos.com/images/S472MAP.jpg

must admit, im impressed by the width of the efficiency islands on that s472 map:cooter:

and them cars are making serious power:eek:
(more than what my f7 can handle ):laugh::laugh::cry::cry:

Rob@Backyardracing

08-01-2011, 18:15

just out of interest what rpm do you expect that to spool up by compared to a ball bearing type? and what is your predicted flow and pressure ratio for your engine :scared:

http://www.timsturbos.com/images/S472MAP.jpg

isnt that extended tip technolgy ,what garret have used with the gtx range:scratch:

i dont believe they do a BB version of the 372 we have, other 72mm units yeah. as for comparision ive no idea, as ive never ran such a large unit, or indeed ever ran this engine at all period :laugh:. I dont expect to see over 10 psi by 6k revs, but we will rev upto 10500revs or so, so as long as i have 2500rpms on full boost (30+)im happy, with means i have upto 7500k or so before i need full boost which should be no problem, we have opted for the t4 divided flange though to help with spool, though again without the non-divided to compare too we will never really know, other than from what ive read from others who have swapped non-divided to divided.

im simply using other peoples experiance, as its quite a common turbo on the engine were building (b18), so tried and tested as such, as 72mm inducer is the class limit in the USA, and as such is what all competitors run, whether Borg warner, garrett, precision etc, all the same size.

Rob@Backyardracing

08-01-2011, 18:16

HAndy

08-01-2011, 18:41

well , all the best with the project rob, think your gonna have a lot of fun:cooter:

be great to see it hit the 9's;)

midge

15-01-2011, 21:20

Just saw this car run on tv! it was at the fast show against a white civic, 'Rob' was driving.

Rob@Backyardracing

15-01-2011, 23:46

Yep the HKS is on motors TV, its from last year when we ran the old d16 turbo.. We didnt attend all events and last year wasnt a great year either... :crap:

The hks will be on Motors TV for the next 4 weeks showing each round, 5 rounds in total..

http://www.japdragseries.co.uk/tv.php check here for times..

You can also follow us on Facebook and join our page..

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Backyard-Racing/169701466405168

Thanks..

Rob@Backyardracing

21-01-2011, 18:22

Well the sleeving got underway this week at work.. it revealed some interesting things that honda did. The orginal sleeve (the bore), honda had ridges on the outside of the bore, then the casting poured around as they do. Never really come across this, most manufactors just use stright bores then the casting..Anyway doing this would make the OE sleeve very strong and stable within its molding, plus displace heat faster to the alloy.. Also in the making would stop any movement when cooling the casting between the too metals..

Anyway first pic for can see the ridges, the rest is just part of the process of sleeving. Got all the percise maching to come yet.

Rob@Backyardracing

21-01-2011, 18:23

some more pics... now at this stage..

Andrew Cooke

21-01-2011, 19:53

are you doing your own machining?

rs250nut

21-01-2011, 20:08

Nice, I wish I had access to a mill, lathe. I know you can cool the sleeves by putting in liquid nitrogen but what do you heat the block with, got a big enough oven:D

Rob@Backyardracing

21-01-2011, 21:29

Im not doing the sleeving myself but its all in house at my work. We have two mills, 2 lathes, head skimmer, Boring tools etc etc.. We have 4 guys that are full time on just rebuilding engines and engineering parts and this is just the side part of our workshop, Remember we just an independant Porsche Specialist.

Im more in charge now of the race cars we run/sponsor in the (porsche cup championship) and do general workshop work..

Heres one of the cars we will be racing this year that ive just finished rebuilding pretty much every part on it, just need get on the dyno and then have a few days out on the track with this one.. Im starting, in the near future, to build a Boxster S for next years championship.. So i feel that this year may be the last year for drag racing or take a year out as im slowly going to loose all my time and weekends dedicated to this..

Rob@Backyardracing

21-01-2011, 21:36

Anyway back to the program..

The block will be heated in a hot wash we have, we can get this pretty god dam hot, you couldnt touch it anyway.. the sleeves dont need cooling that much as its cast iron and doesnt have the same expansion properties as alloy.. The MAIN issue you may have is the way the alloy will cool with the sleeves.. The alloy can push the sleeves out ever so slight that you wouldnt no it.. you then go along and get the block face finished etc get it all built up and once it gets very hot that sleeve will drop down and course the gasket to leak.. When the sleeves are fitted we will need a jig making to hold them in place and leave them with around 1 tone press on the block while it cools till cold.. this will stop them trying to lift out.. The rest of the sleeve is a peace of cake (so ive been told)...

rs250nut

21-01-2011, 22:18

Once you insert the sleeves don't you bolt on a deck plate to hold them in? Should have read further, gives him self a kick up the ass.

Rob@Backyardracing

25-01-2011, 17:13

Ok so some more machining pics today. From the looks of things hondas casting accuracy is brilliant from the factory.. The first pictures is the remains of the old sleeves, the cuts come out so well you can even see the old casting number on the back of the old cyclinders..

As you know each sleeve has to be bored to fit so a double check of the sleeves is needed to make sure dartons machining is good, which they are..

Rob@Backyardracing

25-01-2011, 17:20

Here are the finial base cuts taking place, yet needs cleaning up and more work. Also the start of the top cuts is there. It seems like we now know why a few peeps have trouble with darton sleeves dropping and not sealing. Ill try to explaing this and draw some pics to show.. We are going against there way of installing them and changing a few things...

Also the last pic is the start of some gears we make, we also have gear cutters so custom boxs might be on the cards one day, but with the available gears out there i very much dout we will bother...

Adey aka Ewok

25-01-2011, 18:47

Straight cut 1st 2nd and 3rd for my box please :-D?

Rob@Backyardracing

26-01-2011, 21:28

Ok nearly finished now..

Few more pics of final base cuts...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/015.jpg

and then its done for that part

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/002-4.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/004-2.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/006-3.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/007-3.jpg

The next step was to heat the block in the oven... then a hurry to get them in fast so no pics of the fitting stage.. The pic below shows one of our presses, we made this tower with rods and blocks as this will allways leave even pressure on each sleeve as its able to rock, therefore we wont get on sleeve sitting higher than the other.

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/014-1.jpg

We then left around 5 tonne on this, with our calculations the block should drop and leave the sleeves 5 tho higher over all. When the sleeves went in the top face was level and flat/flush, then as it cools you can slowly watch the block drop around the sleeves and bingo we had 5 tho liner protrusion. :headbang:

We are now at this point, the face needs skimming and i need it boring out yet, and we may use cooper rings yet so might have to do some more work for this.

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/017-2.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/018-1.jpg

rs250nut

26-01-2011, 22:28

You can see why this is such an expensive process of building a bullet proof honda bottom end. Great service to offer people. What are you doing with the p2w clearance rob

Rob@Backyardracing

26-01-2011, 22:34

You can see why this is such an expensive process of building a bullet proof honda bottom end. Great service to offer people. What are you doing with the p2w clearance rob

Well you will be pleased to know we will soon offer this service to the honda guys, dont expect much change from £700 tho to have the sleeves fitted..

P2W 3.5 thou i think.. ran this on the D16... i seem happy with that..

Rob@Backyardracing

30-01-2011, 18:08

I took a few pics of the Interior today. Pretty much finished now here, just need sort some wiring, fit a big Rev counter and shift light, Lm, ecu...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/001-1.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/006-4.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/010-2.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/007-4.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/008-4.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/009-2.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/004-3.jpg

rs250nut

30-01-2011, 18:17

That looks **** hot, how did you manage to make it look so good? If I did that it would be all creased and look pony. Look even better with a 12000rpm rev counter

Markey Mark (BD)

30-01-2011, 18:21

That looks good mate, what did you use to trim the dash and door panels in?

Rob@Backyardracing

30-01-2011, 18:27

Deans done all the interior last week, also the looms etc, the fuse box is now in car and no looms running around engine bay... Think he put some late nights in.. :agree: its come ok pretty sweet.. we did this instead of flocking, saved loads of time and cash.. :) just cheapo acoustic carpet... the flooring is the same stuff the VW boys use in there campers..

Rob@Backyardracing

03-02-2011, 22:56

Bit more of an update, most of the bits are here now to build the engine, im hoping to get the block skimmed and bored this next week and start building the head this weekend, prob give that a light skim aswell.. think our over all comp ratio will be 9.5:1 when finished.

The new cam pulleys by AEM

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/024.jpg

New dual valve springs, and Titanium retainers

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/025-1.jpg

New ACL Race bearings.

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/023.jpg

My new coffee table for the living room, but at the mo holding orange....

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/002-5.jpg

Rob@Backyardracing

06-03-2011, 16:09

Nearly a month on since last update and nothing much has happened to the car. But on a better note ive sorted myself out with a new garage at my gaff..:) just need to wire in my tv aerial and alarm system and beef up the locks...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/090.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/088.jpg

Ive also made a start on building the head up, lapped all my valves etc...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/003-2.jpg

before
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/002-6.jpg

and after
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/001-2.jpg

Also ive ordered a new Comp Clutch and some Avid engine mounts..

Got bored and started to wounder about a front mount mani, also i bought some amber corners to make it look more JDM :D

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/094.jpg

Ill try to get more work done over this next month... :)

rs250nut

07-03-2011, 19:44

Looks alot like the garage I use at my old ladys only alot cleaner. Front mount mani would be the $hit, I would be freaking though, stones,small animals, small people getting sucked up by that monster:smokin:

Rob@Backyardracing

24-03-2011, 22:32

Ok, time i got building this engine...

Unsure if ive covered this yet or not.. Im going to run 4 thou Piston to wall clearance so the finial bore cut has been done, it will prob slap around but not to worried about that.. Im yet to set the ring gaps.. im only at around 9-10thou at mo which i was rather shocked at with the amount of P2W ive set allready??, anyway really need them to be around 18ish with my 83mm bore size with the engines use (high power) in mind..

Going to crack on with the head tomorrow if i can and get it skimmed and built back up with the supertechs..

Really behind with this project now.. unsure if ill even have it out for RTOC pod day with the amount of bits im yet to buy :cry:...................

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/015-1.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/016-2.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/017-3.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/018-2.jpg

rs250nut

26-03-2011, 21:47

Get it built mate, this car will be silly fast:agree:

Rob@Backyardracing

27-03-2011, 21:17

Well had a couple hours in the garage.. built the head up and finished my ring gapping...

The Duel valve springs and Ti retainers.. (supertechs)
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/094-1.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/098.jpg

Rob@Backyardracing

27-03-2011, 21:22

The rocker shafts and rockers..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/101.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/102.jpg

The Lma`s that keep the main high lift rocker in contact with the cam lobe when vtec isnt in use. Most peeps do away with the whole 3 stage rockers etc and just run the high cam as the low stage is never used anyway..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/103.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/104.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/106.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/107.jpg

Rob@Backyardracing

27-03-2011, 21:24

Fitted all the pistons to the rods..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/110.jpg

also all the rings have now been gapped and checked..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/108.jpg

Next step is to build the bottom end up..

Rob@Backyardracing

06-04-2011, 21:09

Well still not started to get the motor together yet.. But on a better note all set for Brands hatch this weekend and first round of the PCC... Im kinda thinking to have the same wrap on the honda now instead of the camo...:coffee:

Rob@Backyardracing

04-05-2011, 21:35

Small update, things havnt really moved much recently but we hoping to try and get this car out for Rtoc Pod day, still a very slim chance but be nice to make it.. Funds for the project are slim this year and the engine conversion cost so far is close or over 5 grand so we have decided to take a step back from our orginal plan of making the car all out high HP etc and just get the thing running and out on the strip. So in which case we will be making cuts to save costs.

So the clutch system, no twin disc, just the old iron man CC clutch (which i think will do fine for us). We going to down size injector from 2000 - 1000cc due to the massive price difference, We only going to fit One bosch 044 pump and run this in line with the Welbo we have now. This will save money on extra fuel line and fittings needed.. Ive just ordered a new exhaust manifold T4 divided flange, 2 x 44mm V band for the gates, as for the gates im going to get a couple Kung fui chinese ones.. Im sure it will be ok..

Once the car is out and running we will no dout run into gearbox issues as the ratios are all wrong for us with the UK gearboxs being different from the USA boys. So this year would be good for just some small testing and get some data from things and then maybe raise the game in 2012..

Some Pics of where we are at below..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/004-4.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/006-5.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/007-5.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/009-3.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/010-3.jpg

J$£5GTT

04-05-2011, 21:42

thats too much for me i gta go sit in a dark room....:D

rs250nut

04-05-2011, 22:16

Sweet progress mate, You can see where the extra deck height comes from now between the B18/16. The 16's head near on sits flush with the top of the waterpump where as you an extra inch.

Rob@Backyardracing

11-05-2011, 22:11

Couple more pics, havnt really had chance do much to the honda recently due to work commitments. Once this weekends out the way ill be back on..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/002-7.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/2JPG.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/004-5.jpg

And for you track junkys as some of you know as well as working and help run a mad busy workshop at the moment i manage two race cars that we race in the PCC and so far not doing to badly on this years outing. Currently 2nd and 3rd in the championship, back out at donny this weekend so if any you guys ever out and about at the tracks feel free come say hi.. :)

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Porsche%20968%20PCC/147B3563.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Porsche%20968%20PCC/147B6009.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Porsche%20968%20PCC/147B6035.jpg

rs250nut

12-05-2011, 23:32

Getting it done mate and hope to see it at the pod:agree: I will race up up the strip in my trainers if you like:laugh: I reckon their good for a high nine pass

Scoff

12-05-2011, 23:41

rob, stop fannying about with porches and get the car built. I need at least some half-way decent competition this year :D (yeah, stop dreaming chris..)

Rob@Backyardracing

13-05-2011, 11:48

aiii, were desperatly trying to get the car finished for rtoc pod day, (its the best opertunity to map as you know).

weve ordered and paid for our manifold at last, t4 divided flange, twin 44mm v-band gates, should be here any day now, only missing few last parts then, fingers crossed we`ll make pod day, failing that will deffo make outlaw :)

Scoff

13-05-2011, 16:54

I'll let you know how I get on with WGT's dyno rob - that might be an option for you. Or do you think you'll get traction @ tdi ?

Rob@Backyardracing

13-05-2011, 19:22

Im unsure about TDI`s rollers once we start pushing high power. I think there ok on adams car to level 550-600?? maybe but i think they struggle.. But as there only ten mins down road and Paul is an awsome guy and just leaves us to it with his rollers.. For now we will stick with TDI...

Scoff

13-05-2011, 20:17

What dyno is it rob ?

Rob@Backyardracing

25-05-2011, 22:02

Well no honda updates sorry, but on the Porsche front got a good vid of one of our cars at donny out in quali.. :)

I really didnt think i was going to get this car to make this event, i found some bearing damage and had to do a crank swap and full engine rebuild in a couple of days before. I had no chance for testing or dyno time and no practice, just straight in to the 25min qualifing window.. A heart in my mouth moment...!! I set the car up for a dry session then once in assembly area it started to rain.. Great!!

Still we managed to get a P4 and a P1 in quali for both the races, finishing 4th and 2nd over the weekend.. Thruxton next...

http://www.youtube.com/user/faze1motorsport

Rob@Backyardracing

30-05-2011, 18:31

Small update, got the engine in today... :) i still have loads to do etc.. dont worry im painting that cam cover, im yet to weld the breathers into it etc...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/051.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/053.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/054.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/057.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/060.jpg

philr5t

30-05-2011, 18:37

F**k me that looks awesome mate :agree:

rs250nut

30-05-2011, 19:20

Wow:agree: The shaved bay looks quality.

Logg

30-05-2011, 19:23

Looks sooooper smooth and clean fella. :agree: very nice.

Big Steve - Raider

30-05-2011, 19:32

:eek::eek: Awesome! :niceone:

Are they the OE engine mounts or is that a Drag Modification? It certainly looks simple! ;)

Rob@Backyardracing

30-05-2011, 19:42

Cheers guys, still have aload more parts to fill that bay yet.. The mounts are OE replacement, there is a few options to go for, i didnt fancy the solid mounts so went went for the street/drag option, but also our honda engine has torque mounts, ill be fitting solid ones for them. (yet to order them) so not in them pics... will post as i go along..

Still waiting for the manifold yet, im told it should be finished this week... :)

Rob@Backyardracing

30-05-2011, 19:43

The mounts are Avid Racing....

Rob@Backyardracing

30-05-2011, 19:47

What dyno is it rob ?

Scoff i cant remember, i was down there other week too.. Paul said its best for me to send the car to TDI south along with adams car for the day and use the Hub dyno.. Ill just use theirs for up to 500hp..

rs250nut

30-05-2011, 20:35

Rob@Backyardracing

30-05-2011, 20:52

Nope top mount mate, its by AFI over the pond... T4 twin scroll, twin 44 V band gates... dont think a front mount turbo is needed... any more progress with yours pal?

rs250nut

30-05-2011, 22:32

Nope top mount mate, its by AFI over the pond... T4 twin scroll, twin 44 V band gates... dont think a front mount turbo is needed... any more progress with yours pal?

Not touched it for ages now, new job has taken over:(

Rob@Backyardracing

20-06-2011, 21:22

small update...

Im making a fuel cell in the bay, our weight has dropped down to 969kg in our class so im able to loose the steel tank at rear and all the lines etc.. Also the manifold is here now..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/013-1.jpg

The car the the rad and cooler on, i need to sort a new boost run and also up the size to 3inch, also i need to fit a slimline fan to rad and we do the coolant system etc..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/026-1.jpg

And here is the new Manifold...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/027.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/028-1.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/029.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/034.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/033.jpg

Still got a **** load of things to get yet.... kinda booked a holiday to Ibiza today instead tho wups :ashamed: :D..... closing partys here i come...:beer:

J8TRO

20-06-2011, 21:27

I'm looking to move, can i live in your turbo?

Rob@Backyardracing

20-06-2011, 21:41

Doesnt fit to great yet, i need to trim the slam pannel... :) the exhaust will just be a 4" bend out of bonnet....

bigdur

20-06-2011, 21:44

I'm looking to move, can i live in your turbo?

:uhhuh: What the hell did it come off?

Hi 5

20-06-2011, 21:58

who made manifold pal :D

Rob@Backyardracing

20-06-2011, 22:01

A dumper truck ;)... AFI full race mani

bigdur

20-06-2011, 22:03

A dumper truck ;)...
Dumper truck for the win!!!
:yeah:

Scoff

20-06-2011, 23:45

Really smart mate :)

Rob@Backyardracing

21-06-2011, 19:20

Few more parts today, GE pro series fuel rail, fuel pressure gauge, Weldon fuel reg, hondata intake gasket, and a block bung to ditch the OE oil catch can...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/002-8.jpg

rs250nut

22-06-2011, 13:16

This car is so bad you need locking up rob!!!!!!!!! Kind of wish I had gone for a top mount now, such a larger selection of turbos to chose from. Snap with the fuel rail, looks to be a nice bit of kit.

5teve L

22-06-2011, 16:52

Awesome stuff Rob, make sure you post up when you will be running, i'd love to try to make it along ;)

Rob@Backyardracing

22-06-2011, 17:51

should be ready for august

2013 :laugh:

5teve L

22-06-2011, 18:09

should be ready for august

2013 :laugh:
:wasntme:
Will be if you keep buggering off to the island mate :agree:

rs250nut

26-06-2011, 11:39

When you going to Ibiza Rob, Im hopefully going there for my stag do:)

Rob@Backyardracing

05-07-2011, 22:14

Well one of the wastegates came today, the other will be in a few weeks.. Also the injectors are on the way very soon and the new fuel cell is taking shape...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/008-5.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/009-4.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/010-4.jpg

The next few pics prob wont interest anyone but RSnut..

Ive modified the coolant system so we just have 3 hoses.. There is a outlet on the head for the heaters, you can block this off with a plug the same as the cover plugs for the rocker shafts, i managed to get a secondhand one. Also the coolant rail on rear of block ive welded up the two outlets on this. Ive done away with the stock oil catch can and running a bung for this, the top breather pipe will need welding up also.. pics..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/011-2.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/012-2.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/013-2.jpg

Big Steve - Raider

05-07-2011, 22:57

:eek: That turbo's dam near as big as the engine!! :niceone:

Kris M

05-07-2011, 23:15

Sex !! :D:cool:

rs250nut

06-07-2011, 07:52

What size gates are those Rob 44mm? I wondering if I will encounter any problems running just one 44mm.

rs250nut

06-07-2011, 07:53

Nice work mate, what have you done with the bits on the thermostat housing? I have never really taken much notice of the cooling system. I did the same with the breather system, I found a 35mm core plug and bashed it in there, hopefully won't fall out.

Duncan Grier

06-07-2011, 08:56

All looking VERY VERY clean! Sure it will go like stink! Keep up the great work :agree:

Hate to think how much you have invested in parts :scared:

The turbo on my track car could probably get sucked through that one lol

DG

Matt Cole

06-07-2011, 13:55

Is That a Borgeee Warrrner i see there Rob?? Lovely turbo's:D

Them gates look like the demon ones?? Im thinking of getting those as i need two and one Tial requires me to remortgage the house!!

Rob@Backyardracing

13-07-2011, 22:36

Rob@Backyardracing

13-07-2011, 22:38

Is That a Borgeee Warrrner i see there Rob?? Lovely turbo's:D

Them gates look like the demon ones?? Im thinking of getting those as i need two and one Tial requires me to remortgage the house!!

Yes mate BW S372.... the gates are demon... ill let you know how they go..:)

Rob@Backyardracing

13-07-2011, 22:42

Few pics, ive binned all the fuel tank and lines now. Also all the brake lines have gone and changing for new.. The new tank is taking shape, just need to find a filler cap and sort the lid and fuel bungs out.. Im in the process of sorting all the fuel fittings and lines.. £££££££... :crap:.. there is still a list of things doing but id really like to have it running in 3 weeks..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/006-6.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/007-6.jpg

The new forward facing slim fan, saves on room in bay etc..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/008-6.jpg

The staging brake im going to stick in while lines are out..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/009-5.jpg

rs250nut

13-07-2011, 23:14

Yes 44 gates, i havnt welded anything on the thermo housing... Im running no stat aswell..

I don't plan to run with a thermostat either, I have had far to many bad experiences with them, even new feckers. Nice place for the fuel cell:agree:

Scoff

13-07-2011, 23:28

Stage brake, nice. I've wanted a stage brake for a while - anything that makes the launch less complicated is a winner. I also thought I could link my launch control in to the brake, so it was one less button to press on the steering wheel.

Andrew Cooke

14-07-2011, 20:22

after my experiences measuring forge wastegate springs I'd be concerned that the 2 wategates aren't doing the same thing. Are you measuring the 2 turbine inlet pressures, or will it all be fine?

rs250nut

14-07-2011, 22:37

Don't quote me on this but I saw a guy on H.T who had put a small notch into the divider to try and equal the pressure. How well it would work I don't know I have never messed around with divided housings.

Rob@Backyardracing

16-07-2011, 14:11

eeek, you know i hadnt even considered that potentail problem :crap:

we dont measure TIP at all, nevermind in each side of the turbine :laugh:

we will be using an electric boost control solenoid to control boost though, just one solenoid T pieced in to control both gates simultaneously, i was hoping that it would naturally balance any pressure differances as it "pushes" the gates closed, as of course the pressure will want to take the easiest route.

i can understand that on spring pressure alone (i.e before the solenoid is allowing any boost pressure to hold the gate shut) could be un-balanced, but as were only running very light gate spring pressure (0.7bar to help traction in 1st) im not worried about a miss-match at those low levels.

dave r5

17-07-2011, 15:07

where did u source yr block bung from please,

rs250nut

18-07-2011, 22:48

34.5mm core plug does the trick Dave.

dave r5

21-07-2011, 19:36

Nice 1 fella. I'll pull my finger out soon an finish my pikey Spec 1

Rob@Backyardracing

23-07-2011, 21:23

Getting there... All brake pipes and staging brake done, loom fitted and ecu.. Ive just got the filler cap for the tank so im able to get this finish next week.. most of fuel fittings are here and injectors should be tuesday.. If all goes well this week i should be close to running. Im having to make some V band flanges at work for the turbo due to the cost of them (£70 for an 4" exhuast flange!!).... The boost hose is staying 2.5" for now and also the stock TB will be left on the car.. Ill improve these over the winter..

The new brake location and lines..
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/001-3.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/003-3.jpg

An idea of the tank and pump set up + reg...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/002-9.jpg

-8 fuel hose
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/004-6.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/005-1.jpg

Spooky

23-07-2011, 22:39

Nice work Rob, getting there, slowly but surely! :agree:

What brake flaring tool are you using mate?

Rob@Backyardracing

24-07-2011, 09:08

Nice work Rob, getting there, slowly but surely! :agree:

What brake flaring tool are you using mate?

Its a kit you need to use in a vice, not free hand, dont know the make as its prob older than me, works tho.. :)

Scoff

24-07-2011, 13:00

Looking really good as always rob !

How will you arrange the 2nd 044 ? It would be nice if you could have them side by side, each pulling from the bottom of the tank.

Rob@Backyardracing

24-07-2011, 13:49

Looking really good as always rob !

How will you arrange the 2nd 044 ? It would be nice if you could have them side by side, each pulling from the bottom of the tank.

Yes thats how id like it, but id really like a 3 peace front end so im able to mount a newer tank behind the front bumper..

Rob@Backyardracing

25-07-2011, 21:57

Get your shades on.... our new wheels... :smokin:

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/001-4.jpg

and the cover...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/002-10.jpg

rs250nut

25-07-2011, 22:03

Nice mate, is that asbo orange the ford st colour? What wheels are those?

peter GT muir

25-07-2011, 22:11

Nice mate, is that asbo orange the ford st colour? What wheels are those?
it has a 2mm valve uprated fuel pump and adjustable reg. the car ran 224 bhp on 18 psi and was running into the 14 on afr. wud you rcomend going back to a standard carb

Rob@Backyardracing

25-07-2011, 22:14

The wheels of a fezzi my mate was selling on as a wager so took them off that for the honda so not cost anything. There only cheap make but look better than the steels we had. The colour is just fluorescent orange not the ST...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/003-4.jpg

Andrew Cooke

25-07-2011, 22:14

If you can access the tank why not put the pumps inside? Have you got a coarse filter between the tank and the pump?

Andrew Cooke

25-07-2011, 22:16

it has a 2mm valve uprated fuel pump and adjustable reg. the car ran 224 bhp on 18 psi and was running into the 14 on afr. wud you rcomend going back to a standard carb

:laugh: too many windows too little time

Rob@Backyardracing

25-07-2011, 22:21

If you can access the tank why not put the pumps inside? Have you got a coarse filter between the tank and the pump?

Could have done somthing similer to this.. But this tank prob wont be staying, its just temp to get us out..

http://www.xenocron.com/xenocron-dual-bosch-044-surge-tank-kit-p-626.html

Im running a 100mircon filter after pump. I really cant see much crap being in the fuel as its a new tank anyway..

Andrew Cooke

25-07-2011, 22:34

Could have done somthing similer to this.. But this tank prob wont be staying, its just temp to get us out..

http://www.xenocron.com/xenocron-dual-bosch-044-surge-tank-kit-p-626.html

Im running a 100mircon filter after pump. I really cant see much crap being in the fuel as its a new tank anyway..

it's not so much the fuel but the clag from manufacturing the tank, it takes a few tanks of fuel before our tanks run clean, and all our fuel gets pre-filtered. We still run socks.

peter GT muir

25-07-2011, 22:52

too many heinekens and not enuff eyes :laugh:

Rob@Backyardracing

28-07-2011, 21:13

The Id1000`s turned up the other day, just in the process of fitting the fuel hoses, im unsure if i should change the layout so i dont have a fuel joiner over the alternator just incase i have a leak.. :scratch: or am i being para...

The new injectors

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/001-5.jpg

I could run the fuel hose like this..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/002-11.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/004-7.jpg

or like this and fit it to the rail on the other side...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l463/BackyardRacing_2008/Civic%20project/005-2.jpg

Andrew Cooke

28-07-2011, 22:27

with 2x044s I don't think it'll make much difference where the joins are if one leaks.

Scoff

28-07-2011, 22:57

with 2x044s I don't think it'll make much difference where the joins are if one leaks.

Yeah, it's staggering how much fuel 2 of those can move. Mine will empty my 2L swirl pot in not many seconds. Even regulated at 3 bar they will suck the pot dry with the lift pump (the usual uprated GTT type) running flat out to fill it. I have to run the rail return to the swirl pot to keep the level up. A leak, anywhere in the bay would be game over. :(