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dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 18:29
Can we have a vote on this topic please ?
Here's somthing to help you get an idea of who to vote for, A party for it polices not the colour :p When i was 18 :wasntme: silly me :laugh: Take a look: http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ (http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/)
Here are the opition's, all of which will shaft :rolleyes:
Tories
Labour
Lib dems
Green party
Plaid Cymru
UKIP
Other
OR simpley Can't be arse.
I know politics isnt everyones cup of tea, just decided it would be fun and worth the effort. Maybe some will go and vote who wouldnt normally as i belive people died getting us our right to vote. Therefore it should be used :)
dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 18:36
I mean a vote thingy at top so people dont have to say who's voting what publicley
Have you's clicked on the link ? check it out ;)
I don't think we have polls enabled on our forum, I can't find where to do it anyways
I don't think we have polls enabled on our forum, I can't find where to do it anyways
Dawn see if you can enable free speech aswell. :agree::p
Oh dear, these are my results which really does not help!
Lib Dems 25.00%
BNP 25.00%
Labour 25.00%
UKIP 25.00%
dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 18:48
Dawn, we had one on a previous topic for sure, am not saying its easy ;)
dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 18:51
Oh dear, these are my results which really does not help!
Lib Dems 25.00%
BNP 25.00%
Labour 25.00%
UKIP 25.00%
like me ! you need a new party to vote for ! it's crap aint it :cry:
I don't think we have polls enabled on our forum, I can't find where to do it anyways
Done.
Oh dear, these are my results which really does not help!
Lib Dems 25.00%
BNP 25.00%
Labour 25.00%
UKIP 25.00%
Ah you should stay in and watch corrie then.
Done.
Thanks, I couldn't find the option anywhere :)
dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 18:58
I must admit to being totally stumped! The Tories have alot right, especially on Immigration, fairer taxes and Health Service (wendy watched a local Tory MP talking about it here and he's actually an NHS doctor so knows his stuff!
But has kicked themselves in the crotch by jumping on the green bandwagon, The armed services and their OAP policy (lets face it, none of them have that one right). Not to mention the feeling that Cameron just isn't in the real world with his millions and education (Good on him for being a millionaire, wish I was, but that does make you wonder if he's ever struggled to pay a bill, or buy a bottle of vino).
I hate the current lot and if the Cabinet all internally combusted I wouldn't bat an eye lid.
The Liberals are just so.....liberal, wishy washy, their Euro policy would have us as one European state and goodbye the pound, they hate the automotive industry and are almost as nuts about the enviroment as the greens!. I like their election reforms however.
So that leaves me, in this area, with very few options.
BNP
UKIP
Green
Independant
None of which will get the current lot out of power.
Like I said, stuck between a rock and a hard place and unless I see another, my only option will be a protest vote against Labour rather than for the Tories.
Bugger!
dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 18:59
Can we have a more of a break down in the others vote ?
and due to the current lots determination to record everything, this poll and conversation will be monitored. Regardless of anything good or bad over last government term, Labour's record on freedom and civil liberties is bloody awful. Total paranoia and a determination to record every email sent. Utter madness.
In the words of Sean Lock last night- "Cameron's a ****, Brown is just a **** up and as for Nick Griffin, well let's just say it must of been a difficult birth- hunch back, one shoulder higher than the other and as for his eyes, well ones going to the shops whilst the other is on it's way back....."
oh and as the swear filter has appeared he also came out with a classic one:
Talking about The Sun- "You know when they blank out letters for swear words, well it's the closest Sun readers ever get to doing a cross word. The headline the other day was 'Katie calls Peter a F******g C**t - I reckon it was Folding Coat....
Can we have a more of a break down in the others vote ?
It'll clog the poll part of the page, so it's best if it's left as is.
dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 19:05
and due to the current lots determination to record everything, this poll and conversation will be monitored. Regardless of anything good or bad over last government term, Labour's record on freedom and civil liberties is bloody awful. Total paranoia and a determination to record every email sent. Utter madness.
In the words of Sean Lock last night- "Cameron's a ****, Brown is just a **** up and as for Nick Griffin, well let's just say it must of been a difficult birth- hunch back, one shoulder higher than the other and as for his eyes, well ones going to the shops whilst the other is on it's way back....."
:agree: why thank you sir :agree:
dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 19:07
It'll clog the poll part of the page, so it's best if it's left as is.
Theres only four votes been made ? get it done so its more accurate ,peoples can vote again :)
dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 19:14
was writing somthing else and was'nt paying enough attention sorry mart :ashamed:
Please could you do it as i ask with all options so it is more accurate :cool:
dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 19:16
I cannot stand Gordon Brown, I used to support labour but it seems that over the years they have failed to set things in stone and always waste money intoducing new stuff thats not needed, Especially hard for them now after the recent economic downturn everybody is out there like a linch mob, But the thing that makes me sick in the stomach is all the mps and the recent scandals, its just shamefull and although probably blown out proportion by the media when they purchase other houses, claim for second morgages they dont have etc, and now the goverment turns round and says they have to provide reciepts this time, for fact sake next time i put my tax return in i will just say that i have spents thousands on kit for work this tax year and say no need the reciepts! the tax man would be at my door quicker than a rat up a drainpipe!
PUT THEM ALL UP FOR THE FIRING SQUAD AND START A FRESH!
My conclusion is they are all as bad as each other! once in power they just put there fingers up there arse!
or at least the majority do :coffee:
Get it done?
Its fine how it os, no need to see how many votes bnp get, as i know thats whats wanted.. put it this way vote for bnp you may as well be a nazi..
was writing somthing else and was'nt paying enough attention sorry mart :ashamed:
Please could you do it as i ask with all options so it is more accurate :cool:
That's better ;)
Like I said, it'll clog up the Poll section as there's several other party names that could be listed as well. I'd imagine the main 3 parties will get the majority of votes, but if anyone does vote 'other' they're more than welcome to post in this thread the reasons behind it, if they feel the need to.
And not only that, it may cause offence to some people if they see the BNP (as a good example) being voted for in the majority.
I'll leave the Poll as it is.
dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 19:32
Its fine how it os, no need to see how many votes bnp get, as i know thats whats wanted.. put it this way vote for bnp you may as well be a nazi..
:scratch: I wont vote BNP and thats for sure.
Need to have some new people who care and listen to the voters more.
dave j gtt
15-04-2010, 19:59
That's better ;)
Like I said, it'll clog up the Poll section as there's several other party names that could be listed as well. I'd imagine the main 3 parties will get the majority of votes, but if anyone does vote 'other' they're more than welcome to post in this thread the reasons behind it, if they feel the need to.
And not only that, it may cause offence to some people if they see the BNP (as a good example) being voted for in the majority.
I'll leave the Poll as it is.
Add one for me to vote in, am not an Other.
I want to see if anyone else thinks no ones worth voting for like me.
Rather than not going to vote, I will vote. but for no one :crap:
read this :eek:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoilt_vote easy to rig then :coffee:
mr white
15-04-2010, 22:56
with stuff like this happening in the uk and the news showing more an more articles like this it will have a big effect on the elections
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/168661/-English-pupils-become-minority-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260286/KFC-diner-told-bacon-burger--halal.html this will put a lot of english butchers out of busniess as all halal butchers have to be certified ie islamic. every shop round my way has halal on there door this is a big thing. what about what the english want doesnt seem to matter anymore, we will just have to eat it. its a whole new system replacing ours bit by bit.
what were going to see over the coming years is a situation like when christainity entered rome then flourished.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2VkIu8TL_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lWABGwFJn0
if anybodys realy in to politics watch this with James George Hargreaves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BipZuCMzdM&playnext_from=TL&videos=Hx2xT3z0H08 WATCH THIS HARGREAVES IS VERY GOOD
just my view of the uk and the future
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9atIjykihkc this will happen
I have always voted Labour simply for the fact I've grown up with a Labour family! Personally, I'm not really bothered as long as the BNP don't get anywhere :rolleyes: tbh think I might go lib dem this time as I think someone else deserves a chance! Plus, although I didn't watch it all, I heard Clegg done really well last night.
mr white
16-04-2010, 13:25
what we need is some real leaders not these bunch of idiots, wheres the leaders like winston churchill gone, the politicans of today are seriously lacking in oratory skills, mind you all most people 60 odd years ago were better orators.
blah blah blah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4EjGK2KYKY&playnext_from=TL&videos=HaBqijJZYZg&feature=featured
this is more like it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-W5rvSkLCM&playnext_from=TL&videos=VqbK1qMXGzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl-amBxz-to&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzD8KOhdO4E&playnext_from=TL&videos=DwQal9x2Tl4
wheres the three main partys questioning what brussels does, seems as though most voters dont even know whats going on nowdays and vote with there head in the sand, when people get more of the same from the three main partys they will still wonder why thing are the same.
wait for more human rights laws and the rest of the bul****, like how most fisherman in the uk have already met their quotas for this year and their boats are sitting in dock, they cant make the money they need and are having to sell there boats of, the british fishing fleet is declining at a great rate.
sorry but clegg hasnt got it in him hes a wash out
mr white
20-04-2010, 14:09
anybody see this panorama the other night quite intresting.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s35k6/Panorama_Is_Britain_Full/
Big Steve - Raider
20-04-2010, 18:01
I've voted!! :D
Where do we vote for the new EO? :innocent:
dave j gtt
21-04-2010, 22:53
based on four forums results, as i perdicted four to six months ago. torys will win its not good for car enthuiasts, i should of had the bet, might even still take a bet on the election, somwhere with someone :wasntme:.
not everyone knows what they are voting for, thats for sure!. nore do people know how to make a difference. not that i do, or know how. Am just saying torys aint good for car owners/drivers.
mr white
22-04-2010, 09:09
based on four forums results, as i perdicted four to six months ago. torys will win its not good for car enthuiasts, i should of had the bet, might even still take a bet on the election, somwhere with someone :wasntme:.
not everyone knows what they are voting for, thats for sure!. nore do people know how to make a difference. not that i do, or know how. Am just saying torys aint good for car owners/drivers.
i still cant see why people are voting liebour :laugh:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU_fzCpwrNc&feature=PlayList&p=1A2C5D39F60D5798&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=16
dave j gtt
26-04-2010, 14:32
daily politics debate, BBC2 nw :laugh:
I've been listening to various debates recentley and find myself agreeing with a lot of what Nick Griffin says.
Now Im not racist at all!!! However I find some of his potential policies refreshing and to be honest common sense.
I dont know enough about the BNP to make a total statement about them being racist, Im sure they must be though if everyone says so. I wish I had time to study manifestos etc, I simple dont. Conservative party is still getting my vote.
Does anyone think the Lib dems will have us all disarming our Nuclear arsenal? he seems to think thats what hes going to do. :disagree:
RussellT
26-04-2010, 18:29
Please dont vote BNP Kenobi. They do identify real problems however their solutions are too simplistic and appeal to our basest primeval tribal emotions. They are not nice people.
Re Trident. If you owed 10 grand and needed a car would you get a Ferrari or a R5GT turbo? The renault is hugely effective at a fraction of the cost you just cant say that you are a member of the Ferrari owners club.
GB owes a serious amount of money and something has to give and I would rather not have something that is basically underwater and hopefuly never used. The idea that todays world of suicide bombers is going to be put off by the idea that we can flatern their homeland is deluded. The only downside is the communities that rely on Trident such as Barrow would have the heart ripped out of them if it was cancelled.
mr white
26-04-2010, 19:25
can you beleive this what the hell are these people thinking maybe there on crack http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7635267/Heroin-should-be-prescribed-on-NHS.html
and cleg backs this allso liberals are going full out to ruin this country
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7628760/Nick-Clegg-supported-legalisation-of-drugs.html
and now this again o dear just when kids need more discipline
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/25/law-reform-smacking-europe-uk
as you sow so shall you reap:agree:
o and hears another great idear from the lib dems http://www.maxtheboylion.com/2010/04/26/uk-liberal-democrat-want-porn-age-lowered-to-16/
mr white
26-04-2010, 19:30
Please dont vote BNP Kenobi. They do identify real problems however their solutions are too simplistic and appeal to our basest primeval tribal emotions. They are not nice people.
Re Trident. If you owed 10 grand and needed a car would you get a Ferrari or a R5GT turbo? The renault is hugely effective at a fraction of the cost you just cant say that you are a member of the Ferrari owners club.
GB owes a serious amount of money and something has to give and I would rather not have something that is basically underwater and hopefuly never used. The idea that todays world of suicide bombers is going to be put off by the idea that we can flatern their homeland is deluded. The only downside is the communities that rely on Trident such as Barrow would have the heart ripped out of them if it was cancelled.
the ira blow people up then get into parliment. now thats not nice labour and conservitive kills thousands in iraq and afganistan now thats not nice and what ever liberal gets in next will take us into iran. now who have the bnp killed :laugh:
Please dont vote BNP Kenobi. They do identify real problems however their solutions are too simplistic and appeal to our basest primeval tribal emotions. They are not nice people.
Re Trident. If you owed 10 grand and needed a car would you get a Ferrari or a R5GT turbo? The renault is hugely effective at a fraction of the cost you just cant say that you are a member of the Ferrari owners club.
GB owes a serious amount of money and something has to give and I would rather not have something that is basically underwater and hopefuly never used. The idea that todays world of suicide bombers is going to be put off by the idea that we can flatern their homeland is deluded. The only downside is the communities that rely on Trident such as Barrow would have the heart ripped out of them if it was cancelled.
Trident. We have a bigger stick than the scary countries at the moment. I say keep our stick.
I wouldn't ever vote BNP, I think that just incase im branded a rascist. Seriously though i dont know enough about them.
Camo is my man. He will win.
Alastair
26-04-2010, 19:57
Re Trident. If you owed 10 grand and needed a car would you get a Ferrari or a R5GT turbo? The renault is hugely effective at a fraction of the cost you just cant say that you are a member of the Ferrari owners club.
GB owes a serious amount of money and something has to give and I would rather not have something that is basically underwater and hopefuly never used. The idea that todays world of suicide bombers is going to be put off by the idea that we can flatern their homeland is deluded. The only downside is the communities that rely on Trident such as Barrow would have the heart ripped out of them if it was cancelled.
So you would have us sacrifice our role as a permanent member of the UN Security Council? That is effectively what loss of Trident means. Lose our ability to directly veto and influence global law, especially regarding security? All for the price of circa 1bn (that is the projected replacement cost to span the next cycle of about 35 years - post Vanguard Class submarines going out of Service). Current running costs are a fraction of the current defence budget.
We BORROWED 168bn this financial year to keep a few people employed, and the housing market buoyant. Every time we have had a recession in the past - we recovered. Now we have to suffer the hangover of this borrowing for a decade at the very least - a recession in itself that hasn’t started yet. We owe approximately £15,000 per man woman and child in the UK. The interest served on the debt is £1,800 per household this year in the UK. The cost of a replacement programme is peanuts for what we get in return, and given the fact that we cannot even measure (in £ or lives) the cost savings of wars/conflicts that have been prevented by the UNSC (or by resolutions the UK has vetoed) we should not be so quick to lose it, it may cost an awful lot more in the long run.
As for suicide bombers you are missing a much wider picture. Soft Power (more recently coined Smart Power) and our ability to prevent conflict comes from our inherent strength, and our allies gained through defence diplomacy via the FCO. Without a nuclear capability - the P5 - and the inherent stability that it affords the UK (and EU-wide trade agreements), places like N Korea, Pakistan, Iran, and Argentina would not take the UK and our diplomats seriously, with consequential impacts on economic growth and sustainability in the medium and long term. It could even be a cost negative!
If we do not maintain our capability, the replacement costs have been forecast by numerous establishments to increase by a factor of x10 - 15% year on year until the replacement is placed on contract, and their is zero guarantee that the US would then allow us to use their updated warheads. Therefore if the decision is right to axe trident in the future, then the decision is correct today. Would you be comfortable to take the decision to strike down our core defence capability and all that it affords (as above) tomorrow? I certainly would not.
Anyway, my soap box just collapsed so I’ll have to get back to going fast in cool cars. :laugh:
So you would have us sacrifice our role as a permanent member of the UN Security Council? That is effectively what loss of Trident means. Lose our ability to directly veto and influence global law, especially regarding security? All for the price of circa 1bn (that is the projected replacement cost to span the next cycle of about 35 years - post Vanguard Class submarines going out of Service). Current running costs are a fraction of the current defence budget.
We BORROWED 168bn this financial year to keep a few people employed, and the housing market buoyant. Every time we have had a recession in the past - we recovered. Now we have to suffer the hangover of this borrowing for a decade at the very least - a recession in itself that hasn’t started yet. We owe approximately £15,000 per man woman and child in the UK. The interest served on the debt is £1,800 per household this year in the UK. The cost of a replacement programme is peanuts for what we get in return, and given the fact that we cannot even measure (in £ or lives) the cost savings of wars/conflicts that have been prevented by the UNSC (or by resolutions the UK has vetoed) we should not be so quick to lose it, it may cost an awful lot more in the long run.
As for suicide bombers you are missing a much wider picture. Soft Power (more recently coined Smart Power) and our ability to prevent conflict comes from our inherent strength, and our allies gained through defence diplomacy via the FCO. Without a nuclear capability - the P5 - and the inherent stability that it affords the UK (and EU-wide trade agreements), places like N Korea, Pakistan, Iran, and Argentina would not take the UK and our diplomats seriously, with consequential impacts on economic growth and sustainability in the medium and long term. It could even be a cost negative!
If we do not maintain our capability, the replacement costs have been forecast by numerous establishments to increase by a factor of x10 - 15% year on year until the replacement is placed on contract, and their is zero guarantee that the US would then allow us to use their updated warheads. Therefore if the decision is right to axe trident in the future, then the decision is correct today. Would you be comfortable to take the decision to strike down our core defence capability and all that it affords (as above) tomorrow? I certainly would not.
Anyway, my soap box just collapsed so I’ll have to get back to going fast in cool cars. :laugh:
Very articulate. :agree: I, totally voting for you mate.
Now to lower the tone.
Nuclear missiles, just as we all hold hands and make daisy chains to celebrate doing away with the best weapon we have ever made, an acient alien race land who say they come in peace much like when colombus discovered Amercica (lol i think he did).
mr white
26-04-2010, 20:11
Trident. We have a bigger stick than the scary countries at the moment. I say keep our stick.
I wouldn't ever vote BNP, I think that just incase im branded a rascist. Seriously though i dont know enough about them.
Camo is my man. He will win.
camo is far right he just dont talk about it:laugh:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2010/04/david_cameron_came_to_bristol.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/06/david-cameron-eu-alliance-questioned
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/02/david-cameron-alliance-polish-nationalists
cons will go into iran following america 2 million will march through london and still they wont listen
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2010/04/china-russia-cameron-foreign
i wonder what will happen when the west stops consuming so much from china With just over 1.3 billion people (1,330,044,605 as of mid-2008), is the world's largest and most populous country.
As the world's population is approximately 6.7 billion, China represents a full 20% of the world's population so one in every five people on the planet is a resident of China. **** me
mr white
26-04-2010, 20:19
Very articulate. :agree: I, totally voting for you mate.
Now to lower the tone.
Nuclear missiles, just as we all hold hands and make daisy chains to celebrate doing away with the best weapon we have ever made, an acient alien race land who say they come in peace much like when colombus discovered Amercica (lol i think he did).
cortez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hern%C3%A1n_Cort%C3%A9s you have been reading that article by Professor Hawkings lol alien invasion:laugh:
mr white
26-04-2010, 20:41
So you would have us sacrifice our role as a permanent member of the UN Security Council? That is effectively what loss of Trident means. Lose our ability to directly veto and influence global law, especially regarding security? All for the price of circa 1bn (that is the projected replacement cost to span the next cycle of about 35 years - post Vanguard Class submarines going out of Service). Current running costs are a fraction of the current defence budget.
We BORROWED 168bn this financial year to keep a few people employed, and the housing market buoyant. Every time we have had a recession in the past - we recovered. Now we have to suffer the hangover of this borrowing for a decade at the very least - a recession in itself that hasn’t started yet. We owe approximately £15,000 per man woman and child in the UK. The interest served on the debt is £1,800 per household this year in the UK. The cost of a replacement programme is peanuts for what we get in return, and given the fact that we cannot even measure (in £ or lives) the cost savings of wars/conflicts that have been prevented by the UNSC (or by resolutions the UK has vetoed) we should not be so quick to lose it, it may cost an awful lot more in the long run.
As for suicide bombers you are missing a much wider picture. Soft Power (more recently coined Smart Power) and our ability to prevent conflict comes from our inherent strength, and our allies gained through defence diplomacy via the FCO. Without a nuclear capability - the P5 - and the inherent stability that it affords the UK (and EU-wide trade agreements), places like N Korea, Pakistan, Iran, and Argentina would not take the UK and our diplomats seriously, with consequential impacts on economic growth and sustainability in the medium and long term. It could even be a cost negative!
If we do not maintain our capability, the replacement costs have been forecast by numerous establishments to increase by a factor of x10 - 15% year on year until the replacement is placed on contract, and their is zero guarantee that the US would then allow us to use their updated warheads. Therefore if the decision is right to axe trident in the future, then the decision is correct today. Would you be comfortable to take the decision to strike down our core defence capability and all that it affords (as above) tomorrow? I certainly would not.
Anyway, my soap box just collapsed so I’ll have to get back to going fast in cool cars. :laugh:
and in ten years time there will be a million or more homeless people because homes cant be built fast enough, house prices will go up further due to lack of housing and wages will go down more because of migrant workers and britains lack of traing for our own population :agree:
Alastair
26-04-2010, 20:44
cons will go into iran following america 2 million will march through london and still they wont listen
We won't need to go into Iran, neither will the Americans. (The Guardian have an agenda;))
We are already using Soft/Smart Power to engage in the region - have a look what the response from Iran was when the last US Nimitz class carrier deployed to the region and sailed straight through the Straits of Hormouz…
We also have the support of the UNSC (not forgetting our seat on the P5 ) to impose trade embargoes which, while fairly benign at present, can and would be swiftly ramped up should they attempt to do anything significant. Just look at the threat, the Shahab 3 and Fajr 3 missiles, and where did they get the technology? They are based on the Nodong missile from N Korea. So how would we influence Korea? By using our kudos as a world nuclear power (Trident) and member of the P5 of course. Am I going round in circles? Man I bite too easily:laugh:
mr white
26-04-2010, 20:48
We won't need to go into Iran, neither will the Americans. (The Guardian have an agenda;))
We are already using Soft/Smart Power to engage in the region - have a look what the response from Iran was when the last US Nimitz class carrier deployed to the region and sailed straight through the Straits of Hormouz…
We also have the support of the UNSC (not forgetting our seat on the P5 ) to impose trade embargoes which, while fairly benign at present, can and would be swiftly ramped up should they attempt to do anything significant. Just look at the threat, the Shahab 3 and Fajr 3 missiles, and where did they get the technology? They are based on the Nodong missile from N Korea. So how would we influence Korea? By using our kudos as a world nuclear power (Trident) and member of the P5 of course. Am I going round in circles? Man I bite too easily:laugh:
i understand its good to know theres people out there reading up taking intrest :agree:
but i think iran and korea are still preparing for somthing korea is proper poor they wouldnt waste so much money for nothing they will be barginging at some point what will they want and what will we give.:)
mr white
26-04-2010, 22:41
Whether
Conservative, Liberal
or
Labour , I think
you'll get
a kick out of
this!
A little boy goes to his
dad and asks, 'What is Politics?'
Dad says, 'Well son, let
me try to explain it this way:
I am the head of the
family, so call me The Prime Minister.
Your mother is the
administrator of the money, so we call her the Government.
We are here to take care
of your needs, so we will call you the People.
The nanny, we will
consider her the Working Class.
And your baby brother,
we will call him the Future.
Now think about that and
see if it makes sense.'
So the little boy goes
off to bed thinking about what Dad has said.
Later that night, he
hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him.
He finds that the baby
has severely soiled his nappy.
So the little boy goes
to his parent's room and finds his mother asleep.
Not wanting to wake her,
he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he peeks
in the keyhole and see's his father in bed with the nanny.
He gives up and goes back to bed.
The next morning, the
little boy say's to his father, 'Dad, I think I understand the
concept of politics now. '
The father says, 'Good,
son, tell me in your own words what you think politics is all
about.'
The little boy replies,
'The prime Minister is screwing the Working Class while the
Government is sound asleep. The People are being ignored and
the Future is in deep
****.'
RussellT
27-04-2010, 08:53
Re Trident check out the debate this issue does tend to polarise opinion. Its not easy to back away from it and if the saving was "just" £1Bn I agree it woundnt be worth the human misery and cost to the communities that rely on it but in my view the sums involved in the short term are much greater than that although it is hard to pin that crucial number down:coffee:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/04/should_trident_be_scrapped.html
Do you think its possible that Iran and N Korea etc want nucleor wepons because we have them?
As for ythe invasion of Iraq I totally agree, that was down to Tony Blair and I would like to see him face charges of War Crimes. Parliament let us down big style on that one. A more balanced "hung" parliament might have prevented that disaster.
mr white
27-04-2010, 09:08
so much of our money is being wasted in this country pakistan for example has a space program and we are giving them aid still:eek: and then theres the amount of money being paid to be in europe:( i could go on, its in the billions, thats why we are all working so hard here longest hours in europe:sad2:
Re Trident check out the debate this issue does tend to polarise opinion. Its not easy to back away from it and if the saving was "just" £1Bn I agree it woundnt be worth the human misery and cost to the communities that rely on it but in my view the sums involved in the short term are much greater than that although it is hard to pin that crucial number down:coffee:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/04/should_trident_be_scrapped.html
Do you think its possible that Iran and N Korea etc want nucleor wepons because we have them?
As for ythe invasion of Iraq I totally agree, that was down to Tony Blair and I would like to see him face charges of War Crimes. Parliament let us down big style on that one. A more balanced "hung" parliament might have prevented that disaster.
LOL war crimes. As if. Did Maggie face war crimes when we sunk that argi ship as it was retreating, No. We need that "dont **** with us" leadership again.
dave j gtt
27-04-2010, 11:22
[quote= Do you think its possible that Iran and N Korea etc want nucleor wepons because we have them?
As for ythe invasion of Iraq I totally agree, that was down to Tony Blair and I would like to see him face charges of War Crimes. Parliament let us down big style on that one. A more balanced "hung" parliament might have prevented that disaster.[/quote]
:agree:
dave j gtt
27-04-2010, 11:26
LOL war crimes. As if. Did Maggie face war crimes when we sunk that argi ship as it was retreating, No. We need that "dont **** with us" leadership again.
nout to lol at there buddy, russels comment is fair and has a lot people thinking the same. blair unfortunaly, Unlawfully sent troops it to another country to fight.
he has commited war crimes ....
nout to lol at there buddy, russels comment is fair and has a lot people thinking the same. blair unfortunaly, Unlawfully sent troops it to another country to fight.
he has commited war crimes ....
This country is on its knees because of namby pamby politics. They ordered a a portion of kick ass and we fed it them.
I dont think troops should be there when we can hit people with scorpion missiles from the comfort of our armchairs.
youngscottie
27-04-2010, 12:19
This country is on its knees because of namby pamby politics. They ordered a a portion of kick ass and we fed it them.
I dont think troops should be there when we can hit people with scorpion missiles from the comfort of our armchairs.
:agree::agree::agree::agree::agree:
at one time britain ruled 2/3 of the globe today i cant climb any more than two steps up a ladder without a ****ing safty harness why ?
because some eurobrat told us so
regardless of who wins the election understand that the working man in the street will allways fund everything through more tax
i dont like any of the partys policys id like to beable to vote no confidence:coffee:
Why is it ok for the SNP in scotland to be and the welsh national asssembly wanting independance but mention the the BNP and your a nazi? has nothing evolved from the past?
Why is it ok for the SNP in scotland to be and the welsh national asssembly wanting independance but mention the the BNP and your a nazi? has nothing evolved from the past?
Apparently not.
youngscottie
27-04-2010, 13:17
Why is it ok for the SNP in scotland to be and the welsh national asssembly wanting independance but mention the the BNP and your a nazi? has nothing evolved from the past?
im no snp supporter but its unfair to tar them with the same brush as the bnp:eek:
dave j gtt
27-04-2010, 13:24
This country is on its knees because of namby pamby politics. They ordered a a portion of kick ass and we fed it them.
I dont think troops should be there when we can hit people with scorpion missiles from the comfort of our armchairs.
I have explained my veiw on why the country is on its knees in the past , am not about to start going on again.
In fairness you have said you havent read all manifestos and or know to much indepth about it all and are going to vote blue for the reason it what your going to do not that u fully understand what your voting for.
Sit back and see what people got to say. dont geuss as i get accused of. which i dont.
the last statment is just utter drivel that, no one should be firing or fighting anything :sad:
mr white
27-04-2010, 13:42
i will return discipline to schools lol:laugh::laugh::laugh:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/08/david-cameron-michael-caine-youth-programme
he cant do anything just like when he promised a referendum on the lisbon treaty his hands are tied by europe
and soon people wont even be able to discipline there own kids http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/171723/Eurocrats-want-total-smacking-ban
what ever we are living under now its not democracy:confused:
watch this about the eu :agree:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR83juHjCuo&feature=related
mr white
27-04-2010, 13:45
LOL war crimes. As if. Did Maggie face war crimes when we sunk that argi ship as it was retreating, No. We need that "dont **** with us" leadership again.
yep and who sold the argies the weapons, The french
im no snp supporter but its unfair to tar them with the same brush as the bnp:eek:
didnt mean it that way sorry if offended my scots bretheren.
just that national parties have need around for donkeys years and as someone mentioned earlier there is a very well documented (gladly not recently) part of the northern ireland assembly isnt there and now they are in power?
not wanting to tar anyone with the any brush.
we must all accept that invariably the media will decide who gets in, the way someone is portrayed on television or reported or the 'SPIN' in the tabloid media defines more than not who we will vote for, just look at the slant towards the SDLP recently after a TV debate! im not saying we are all sheep but i looked to my parents upon turning 18 who more often than not voted labour i did because they did, but on growing up and seeing unfortunatly that they dont do as we ask (look at blair and the 'just trust me on this war') more taxes on the working classes (i.e ME) and of course following the good ol USofA in being the world police, and we need to face facts that are all mostly lying useless f***ckers i do have to look outside the tory/labour stranglehold that there is. UKIP is looking likely as i would like the uk to keep its identity otherwise we may descend into a melting pot of 'softly softly too scared to do anything incase we upset someone' people and i dont want that. and no im not a racist before anyone suggest that im pround to be english as the scots (youngscottie:D) are proud to be scottish and welsh and so on.
i hope we dont fall for the masses of spin surrounding ALL the parties
use your vote wisely but make sure you do use it either way otherwise dont moan when something you didnt want to happen happens and you did nothing about it.
gotta go find another soapbox now thats bigger than this one :D:):D:agree:
youngscottie
27-04-2010, 14:37
didnt mean it that way sorry if offended my scots bretheren.
just that national parties have need around for donkeys years and as someone mentioned earlier there is a very well documented (gladly not recently) part of the northern ireland assembly isnt there and now they are in power?
not wanting to tar anyone with the any brush.
we must all accept that invariably the media will decide who gets in, the way someone is portrayed on television or reported or the 'SPIN' in the tabloid media defines more than not who we will vote for, just look at the slant towards the SDLP recently after a TV debate! im not saying we are all sheep but i looked to my parents upon turning 18 who more often than not voted labour i did because they did, but on growing up and seeing unfortunatly that they dont do as we ask (look at blair and the 'just trust me on this war') more taxes on the working classes (i.e ME) and of course following the good ol USofA in being the world police, and we need to face facts that are all mostly lying useless f***ckers i do have to look outside the tory/labour stranglehold that there is. UKIP is looking likely as i would like the uk to keep its identity otherwise we may descend into a melting pot of 'softly softly too scared to do anything incase we upset someone' people and i dont want that. and no im not a racist before anyone suggest that im pround to be english as the scots (youngscottie:D) are proud to be scottish and welsh and so on.
i hope we dont fall for the masses of spin surrounding ALL the parties
use your vote wisely but make sure you do use it either way otherwise dont moan when something you didnt want to happen happens and you did nothing about it.
gotta go find another soapbox now thats bigger than this one :D:):D:agree:
none taken :)
politics arnt really my thing
i just feel that the working man carries the burden all the time(no mater whos in power)
ive alot of gripes about this the biggest one being i get taxed on my savings
when ive already paid tax on my income from which the saving get fed from:confused:
none taken :)
politics arnt really my thing
i just feel that the working man carries the burden all the time(no mater whos in power)
ive alot of gripes about this the biggest one being i get taxed on my savings
when ive already paid tax on my income from which the saving get fed from:confused:
two certainties in life
1.death
2.taxes
it is sods law, take motoring for instance, you buy a new car YOU PAY TAX ON IT, you insure it INSURANCE PREMIUM TAX, you MOT it PART OF THE MOT FEE IS TAX (bout £5 i think), you then pay ROAD TAX (which doesnt go on the roads more likely foreign aid, and its massive fee on new cars not powered by duracell batteries or wind) then there is the fuel dont even get me started on that 125pence per ltr!!!!! then every part you buy new for it is taxed.
best i keep zooming around in the uncatlyzed 5 burning my own little hole in the ozone layer yay
I take your stance and vote no confidence in ANY of em :agree:
I have explained my veiw on why the country is on its knees in the past , am not about to start going on again.
In fairness you have said you havent read all manifestos and or know to much indepth about it all and are going to vote blue for the reason it what your going to do not that u fully understand what your voting for.
Sit back and see what people got to say. dont geuss as i get accused of. which i dont.
the last statment is just utter drivel that, no one should be firing or fighting anything :sad:
LOL pass the peace Pipe.
I think that instead of sending our lads walking round a dustbowl we should send some really cool weaponary down on targets. Yes yes lets grow a beard and try and win the hearts and minds of the people so they can take chocolate bars off us and then blow up our landys.
Hello mr Afganistani growing opium in your field, here is a letter telling you to destroy your entire crop before Tuesday at noon or we "the good guys" are going to Destroy your field, your house, your neighbour and his goats.
If you would like to talk about compensation for your illegal crop please send a letter to your local democratically elected government representative.
:agree: The Apache helicopter pilot turns to the dude loading him up with ammo and with a big grin remarks "Smoke me a kipper...............
youngscottie
27-04-2010, 15:09
smoke me a kipper.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sZsTzNmrlE
this guy for pm:agree:
smoke me a kipper.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sZsTzNmrlE
this guy for pm:agree:
What a guy.
mr white
27-04-2010, 19:04
LOL pass the peace Pipe.
I think that instead of sending our lads walking round a dustbowl we should send some really cool weaponary down on targets. Yes yes lets grow a beard and try and win the hearts and minds of the people so they can take chocolate bars off us and then blow up our landys.
Hello mr Afganistani growing opium in your field, here is a letter telling you to destroy your entire crop before Tuesday at noon or we "the good guys" are going to Destroy your field, your house, your neighbour and his goats.
If you would like to talk about compensation for your illegal crop please send a letter to your local democratically elected government representative.
:agree: The Apache helicopter pilot turns to the dude loading him up with ammo and with a big grin remarks "Smoke me a kipper...............
poppy feilds like this which are troops are protecting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmFByUGypb8&playnext_from=TL&videos=mhK5OSVS9B8
dave j gtt
27-04-2010, 20:38
no offence kenobi , just stating this thead will go down hill if people start arguing every point. Make a point and then sit back let others post. or supply sumat to read /veiw.
-- durgs are money weather illegal or legal ( just like these lates outbursts of crap from china)
== drugs that have been made illegal, have been made illegal for a reason , to make the prices higher and take more money from the bottem that the majority of middle class tax payers pay/suffer for.
Lots of estste's in england are being broke up sold off, people not being able to afford and being in arrears , so its not just middle class.
A lot / most of rich british people are being shafted also.
layed back :smokin:
dave j gtt
27-04-2010, 20:47
[quote=mr white;150926]poppy feilds like this which are troops are protecting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmFByUGypb8&playnext_from=TL&videos=mhK5OSVS9B8[/quot
someone comment at the bottem :laugh:
We are guarding the fields.... The Taliban burnt them down.... US regrew them. 1 year ago
mr white
27-04-2010, 20:54
no offence kenobi , just stating this thead will go down hill if people start arguing every point. Make a point and then sit back let others post. or supply sumat to read /veiw.
-- durgs are money weather illegal or legal ( just like these lates outbursts of crap from china)
== drugs that have been made illegal, have been made illegal for a reason , to make the prices higher and take more money from the bottem that the majority of middle class tax payers pay/suffer for.
Lots of estste's in england are being broke up sold off, people not being able to afford and being in arrears , so its not just middle class.
A lot / most of rich british people are being shafted also.
layed back :smokin:
yeah my cousin has just had his second child he has a mortgage on a 2 bed house went to have a look at buying somthing bigger and no chance he bought his house 5 years ago he lives in tonbridge wells his mortage repayments are around 700 a month you can even rent a flat there for that much £1000 min now, hes lived in tunbridge wells all his life hes got no chance in moving now he was thinking of renting a little bigger, but like i said its even more expensive. him and his mrs both work hard and now there traped there. some people might say he should have had his second child but look whats happening on the council estates where people that dont work are having many kids of tax payers backs some even living in million pound mansions wtf is happening it dont make sense:agree:
mr white
27-04-2010, 21:01
[quote=mr white;150926]poppy feilds like this which are troops are protecting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmFByUGypb8&playnext_from=TL&videos=mhK5OSVS9B8[/quot
someone comment at the bottem :laugh:
We are guarding the fields.... The Taliban burnt them down.... US regrew them. 1 year ago
this says it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7R7q1lSZfs
yeah my cousin has just had his second child he has a mortgage on a 2 bed house went to have a look at buying somthing bigger and no chance he bought his house 5 years ago he lives in tonbridge wells his mortage repayments are around 700 a month you can even rent a flat there for that much £1000 min now, hes lived in tunbridge wells all his life hes got no chance in moving now he was thinking of renting a little bigger, but like i said its even more expensive. him and his mrs both work hard and now there traped there. some people might say he should have had his second child but look whats happening on the council estates where people that dont work are having many kids of tax payers backs some even living in million pound mansions wtf is happening it dont make sense:agree:
My dad was a dustman and he was paying a mortage on a 3 bed house. He got the house in 1984 when i was two years old. Ive got no chance of getting my own house. :confused:
mr white
27-04-2010, 22:54
My dad was a dustman and he was paying a mortage on a 3 bed house. He got the house in 1984 when i was two years old. Ive got no chance of getting my own house. :confused:
yep and they will only continue to rise as wages stagnate. my nans house was bought just after the war its a victorian house 4 bedrooms over 4 levels back and front gardens they paid somthing like £200 for it with my grate nan and grandad. the house is mint had new roof the lot next doors to that is a little run down it was valued at wait for it £750,000:eek::eek::eek:. she says to me you have to work hard in life to get a house, i said on my wages i cant even aford your outside lav nan:laugh: things have changed so much :agree: the price of bricks hasnt changed that much, its fecking rediculus, i wouldnt by a house now its a fecking rip off pure usury.
dave j gtt
29-04-2010, 13:03
Its getting close :scared:
fancy brown messing up like he did yesterday ? I think it was on purpose to damage labours chances futher.
I relised from infomation i read months back that the next leader would be cameron and torys would win regardless of anything , Its was said to me, they are next to lead us to yet more problems and make yet more mistakes.
The thing is, i was told it would be tory win weather its done pretty or not :coffee:
Its getting close :scared:
fancy brown messing up like he did yesterday ? I think it was on purpose to damage labours chances futher.
I relised from infomation i read months back that the next leader would be cameron and torys would win regardless of anything , Its was said to me, they are next to lead us to yet more problems and make yet more mistakes.
The thing is, i was told it would be tory win weather its done pretty or not :coffee:
Camo for the win!!
dave j gtt
29-04-2010, 13:11
not good for people who like cars and driving them :crap:
ukip all the way its a non-racist party seeking Britain's withdrawal from the European Union i do not trust any of the others (bnp is as racist as you can get) but my vote means nuffing anyway because of the election Seating even though brown is 3rd on the polls says the telly says he can still win with the election seating how does that work what a load of rubbish :disagree:
mr white
04-05-2010, 14:36
i dont know why they still do postal votes its far to open to fraud check this out
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23829658-police-alerted-to-postal-vote-fraud-claims-across-capital.do
so i doubt we will have an onest election:agree:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-first-punch-came-landing-on-my-nose-sending-blood-down-my-face-1961464.html
That-there London village :sad2: It's not the center of the universe .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8659864.stm
One of three will get in and none of them is called Mugabe so I think we will manage an honest election :p
mr white
04-05-2010, 21:12
That-there London village :sad2: It's not the center of the universe .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8659864.stm
One of three will get in and none of them is called Mugabe so I think we will manage an honest election :p
well at least brown hasnt taken up robert mugabe style "Land reform" yet:cry:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1263200/At-mercy-machete-mob-The-terrifying-isolation-suicidal-courage-Zimbabwes-white-farmers.html
yet the white farmers cant even claim asylum in the uk, yet over 3000 have been killed since 1994 and our goverment doesnt even batter an eyelid, how come they havent sent are troops there to help them
mr white
04-05-2010, 22:43
a poll from the times news paper:eek:
http://www.respondi-panel.com/election.php?rc=ODE5&chosen_site=3
Should I already have my card in the post to vote?
Lol yes, it's tomorrow.
You won't necessarily need it though, so long as you can provide proof of ID/address. Few years back I lost mine
mr white
05-05-2010, 12:49
Should I already have my card in the post to vote?
yes i think so:)
Lol yes, it's tomorrow.
You won't necessarily need it though, so long as you can provide proof of ID/address. Few years back I lost mine
Ah thats ok then, my mrs is at work and she looks after anything important. I probably have mine but good to know i can vote without it.
dave j gtt
06-05-2010, 13:26
think its time to go waist half an hour ...........
Well that was pointless, i got just 2 hows sleep watching all that.
I think it should be done xfacter style next. On illimination. Last 2 in and it goes to the phones.
that has to be a better system surely.
tiff_lee
07-05-2010, 10:07
Well that was pointless, i got just 2 hows sleep watching all that.
I think it should be done xfacter style next. On illimination. Last 2 in and it goes to the phones.
that has to be a better system surely.
Well you never know they may finally reform the electoral system to PR.
mr white
07-05-2010, 14:03
Well you never know they may finally reform the electoral system to PR.
tories came out saying the reason why labour have done so well in some areas is because of labours benefit culture:laugh: well it would be like turkeys voting for christmas i supose:laugh: well the red says it all http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/
Best thing about the election so far is that the BNP didn't even manage to make 4th place ahead of the tiny ukip party. Griffin won't have to be invited on to telly again as the public have shown exactly what they think of them and shown them up to be a tiny minority bunch no one is interested in.
Oh and nice to see plenty of the expense fiddlers getting their arses kicked too
We don't get to vote till May 27 so am expecting all party leaders to come to our house in person to explain why I should vote for them :cartman:
Well What A F U C K Up That Was.
tiff_lee
07-05-2010, 21:13
Best thing about the election so far is that the BNP didn't even manage to make 4th place ahead of the tiny ukip party. Griffin won't have to be invited on to telly again as the public have shown exactly what they think of them and shown them up to be a tiny minority bunch no one is interested in.
You say that yet they received the most votes after lib dems and ukip and considering there is at least 15 parties after them I wouldn't say they are party no one is interested in.
Think BNP still got about 1/2 million votes, shocking really
You say that yet they received the most votes after lib dems and ukip and considering there is at least 15 parties after them I wouldn't say they are party no one is interested in.
And the same guy that got voted in as an MEP!
Think BNP still got about 1/2 million votes, shocking really
Divide that by the 649 constituencies and it puts that figure into perspective though D4WNO
Plus they lost virtually every seat they held in local councils, including all 12 in the area Griffin actually stood in. Says it all :)
THE MASTER
07-05-2010, 23:12
wait for more human rights laws and the rest of the bul****, like how most fisherman in the uk have already met their quotas for this year and their boats are sitting in dock, they cant make the money they need and are having to sell there boats of, the british fishing fleet is declining at a great rate.
mr white .
why isnt there down time used to restock the fishing grounds
inother words if you keep taking without putting back evetualy you will run out. and that goes for many other things aswell;)
tiff_lee
07-05-2010, 23:33
Divide that by the 649 constituencies and it puts that figure into perspective though D4WNO
Plus they lost virtually every seat they held in local councils, including all 12 in the area Griffin actually stood in. Says it all :)
What is your point exactly? You say they are a minority bunch no one is interested in even though that had the 5th highest amount of votes out of 21+ parties, now you are referring to the fact they won no seats.
Take ukip for example, over 900,000 votes (3.1%) compared to Democratic Unionist Party who had almost 170,000 (0.6%) yet ukip won 0 seats and the later 8 seats. Does this not highlight a problem with the current electoral system?
dave j gtt
08-05-2010, 01:37
wait for more human rights laws and the rest of the bul****, like how most fisherman in the uk have already met their quotas for this year and their boats are sitting in dock, they cant make the money they need and are having to sell there boats of, the british fishing fleet is declining at a great rate.
mr white .
why isnt there down time used to restock the fishing grounds
inother words if you keep taking without putting back evetualy you will run out. and that goes for many other things aswell;)
nice post :agree:
dave j gtt
08-05-2010, 01:52
Lost for words, my previous must have caught up with me....
In all fairness this club love's these topics, people read learn and evolve. this clubs great, Lot more too it than just cars :) :smokin: ;)
Very true it can get a bit much all the religion, theroys about the world, but topics should stand and have a place on our forum its great.
And is of great value to see all others points and opinions.
To take things from each and everything we read or see is good,
I proved my point i started a good topic and people could fu**k it up, It was a good topic about somthing that couldnt be cast into the shadows like other good relervent topics or posts do or have done in the past.
("point being i am no idiot and have started some very intresting topics to some peoples intrest". "Some enjoy making points, some enjoy reading. some enjoy being numb to there box. and dare not step outside" some enjoy belittling and to annoy or some just act like kids ;) ......)
The election has just proved we need to commuicate come together and act as a marjorty rather than all this crap, Things need setting in stone, of how things should be done in the future to stop, some or all the wasted time and effort and monies of our country.
there for theads like this need to stand :cooter:
Wait for it topic closed :cry: :laugh:
Penfold aka The Dealer
08-05-2010, 06:31
Wait for it topic closed :cry: :laugh:
Threads are only closed if a complaint is made and we often close/move the thread so the mods can tidy the thread & to take further action where required.
Or if they language/attititude of members turns aggressive.... a simple debate is fine, we are all allowed to post what we like within club rules & if people want to read/join in they can... simples.:)
Threads are only closed if a complaint is made and we often close/move the thread so the mods can tidy the thread & to take further action where required.
Or if they language/attititude of members turns aggressive.... a simple debate is fine, we are all allowed to post what we like within club rules & if people want to read/join in they can... simples.:)
Well said. :agree:
What is your point exactly? You say they are a minority bunch no one is interested in even though that had the 5th highest amount of votes out of 21+ parties, now you are referring to the fact they won no seats.
Take ukip for example, over 900,000 votes (3.1%) compared to Democratic Unionist Party who had almost 170,000 (0.6%) yet ukip won 0 seats and the later 8 seats. Does this not highlight a problem with the current electoral system?
Yup it highlights that central government is a tricky one to get right. Devolution and regional governing needs to be considered further. DUP may have only got 170k votes, but look what percentages they got where they got seats, not total votes, it ensures people in areas of NI get representation in the halls of power.
Still say best bit of the election has been the fall of the bnp. Griffin's newsnight appearance exposed him for what he is and they are. The previous election of 2 bnp euro mp's have left them in turmoil as the old National Front members now see Griffin as a liability who has led them into a world where they can't as a party say what they want to and have to accept membership from the people they hate.
Griffin and his party judge people on the way they look. Truly ironic coming from a party led by a fat bloke with a hunch back who has one eye going to the shops whilst the other is on its way back.
Poetic justice :)
mr white
08-05-2010, 16:30
If pr is brought in things could be like this, not my working out just got this from the net:agree:
If my understanding is correct then PR is based on the proportion of the votes, though specific PR systems vary in their results.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation)
calcuations based on the following:
650 seats therefore 650/100=6.5 seats per %
6.5x%of vote achieved
Seats under current first past the post in brackets
The figures that follow give an idea of PR (if I put in the right numbers and got the maths right!!!)
I got the figures from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/ (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/)
Conservative: 36.1x6.5= 235 seats (305)
Labour: 29.1x6.5= 189 seats (258)
Liberal Democrat: 23.0x6.5= 150 seats (57)
DUP: 0.6x6.5= 4 seats (8)
SNP: 1.7x6.5= 11 seats (6)
Sinn Fein: 0.6x6.5= 4 seats (5)
Plaid Cymru: 0.6x6.5= 4 seats (3)
SDLP: 0.4x6.5= 3 seats (3)
Green: 1x6.5= 7 seats (1)
Alliance Party: 0.1x6.5= 1 seat (1)
UKIP: 3.1x6.5= 20 seats (0)
BNP: 1.9x6.5= 12 seats (0)
Ulster Conservatives and Unionists: 0.3x6.5 = 2 seats (0)
English Democrats: 0.2x6.5= 1 seat (0)
Respect: 0.1x6.5= 1 seat (0)
Traditional Unionist Voice: 0.1x6.5= 1 seat (0)
Christian Party: 0.1x6.5= 1 seat (0)
Independent Community and Health Concern: 0.1x6.5= 1 seat (0)
Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition 0.0x6.5= 0 Seats (0)
Others: 1.1x6.5= 7 seats (1)
Of course the electoral system used might actually change the way people vote. More people may vote for smaller parties instead of the main 3 if they know that their vote would not be wasted as under first past the post.
mr white
08-05-2010, 16:48
Think BNP still got about 1/2 million votes, shocking really
they polled 943,598 votes (6.4 per cent of the total) Euro election votes 9 June 2009.
so whats happening to the country i supose people are turning into nazis or do they just want out of europe and illegal wars.
- In 1987, the BNP fought 2 seats and polled 563 votes.
- In 1992, the BNP fought 13 seats and polled 7,000 votes.
- In 1997, the BNP fought 54 seats and polled 35,000 votes.
- In 2001, the BNP fought 33 seats and polled 47,000 votes.
- In 2005, the BNP fought 117 seats and polled 192,746 votes.
- In 2010, the BNP fought 339 seats and polled 563,743 votes.
:agree:
339 out of 650 seats.
mr white
08-05-2010, 18:13
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7687416/By-permitting-fraud-we-betray-democracy.html
what do you think the future should be for postal voting if things like this are happening?
also people like this would be building voting blocks
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/171636/Forger-helped-15-000-illegals-to-stay-in-UK
they polled 943,598 votes (6.4 per cent of the total) Euro election votes 9 June 2009.
- In 2010, the BNP fought 339 seats and polled 563,743 votes.
So in less than 12 months Griffin has managed to halve the number of folk voting for the british nazi party
Makes it even more of a highlight of the election, thanks for pointing that one out bud:agree:
dave j gtt
08-05-2010, 19:57
So in less than 12 months Griffin has managed to halve the number of folk voting for the british nazi party
Makes it even more of a highlight of the election, thanks for pointing that one out bud:agree:
think its down to the campaign against . thru out london and in other major citys.
bnp aint good at tall :eek:
mr white
08-05-2010, 20:13
So in less than 12 months Griffin has managed to halve the number of folk voting for the british nazi party
Makes it even more of a highlight of the election, thanks for pointing that one out bud:agree:
looking into it they didnt put their candidates into the same areas as when they put candidates in june, looks like they were trying new areas, ukip looks to have done the same. i think most voters, voted for the next bigest party in there constituency hopeing to get labour out:agree:tactical voting
mr white
08-05-2010, 20:24
think its down to the campaign against . thru out london and in other major citys.
bnp aint good at tall :eek:
european elections, barking 2009-
•The Labour Party = 11,236 votes
•British National Party = 6,941 votes
•United Kingdom Independence Party = 5,285 votes
•Conservative Party = 4,961 votes
•Christian Party = 1,759 votes
•Liberal Democrats = 1,645 votes
1 year on
general elections, barking 2010-
Labour = 24,628
Conservative = 8,073
British National Party = 6,620
Liberal Democrat = 3,719
UK Independence Party = 1,300
Christian Party = 482
Threads are only closed if a complaint is made and we often close/move the thread so the mods can tidy the thread & to take further action where required.
Or if they language/attititude of members turns aggressive.... a simple debate is fine, we are all allowed to post what we like within club rules & if people want to read/join in they can... simples.:)
Well said.
Dave, you can't just let a half decent thread run without trying to stir up or cause aggro. 'Oh look at me, I have a political thread that's been allowed to continue and hasn't been deleted bullies everybody - jibe jibe'.
That's because you picked an appropriate topic and have kept it to a single thread.
Well done, you're slowly learning how to join in.
dave j gtt
09-05-2010, 01:46
and have a lot more positive ting's to bring table :cooter: get over yaself trev, yet again you look silly :laugh: making pointless comment about somone else :crap: i was not off topic, you are , get a grip and dont wind me up cos you got nout to do....
I shan't taint this thread further by helping to fill it with cr@p no-one wants to see or hijacking, as I'd be in danger of calling kettles ethnic. So this is the last post I'll make on it to you that's off topic -
In all the posts I've ever seen you 'bring to the table' on non-car related items, not one has ever, EVER been positive.
http://thumb9.shutterstock.com.edgesuite.net/photos/display_pic_with_logo/332500/332500,1233523958,4.jpg
mr white
09-05-2010, 09:36
well this is pretty relevant i think wether positive or negative :agree:
27 voters registered to London flat :eek:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7120760.ece
This is the 115th post of utter bollox just thought id add that :laugh:
mr white
09-05-2010, 11:28
This is the 115th post of utter bollox just thought id add that :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTRXzkRis-s&feature=related;)
Political life looking increasingly interesting. If the happy couple do actually deliver this then great. Pleased to see one of the 1st things stated is stopping monitoring web and emails for no reason. Labour were absolutely obsessed with capturing every last detail of each and every one of us.
Clegg's speech today, check it on May 6 2015 before voting!!
This government is going to be unlike any other.
This government is going to transform our politics so the state has far less control over you, and you have far more control over the state.
This government is going to break up concentrations of power and hand power back to people, because that is quite simply how we can build a society that is fair.
This government is going to persuade you to put your faith in politics once again.
I'm not talking about a few new rules for MPs;
Not the odd gesture or gimmick here or there to make you feel a bit more involved.
I'm talking about the most significant programme of empowerment by a British government since the great reforms of the 19th Century.
The biggest shake up of our democracy since 1832, when the Great Reform Act redrew the boundaries of British democracy, for the first time extending the franchise beyond the landed classes.
Landmark legislation, from politicians who refused to sit back and do nothing while huge swathes of the population remained helpless against vested interests.
Who stood up for the freedom of the many, not the privilege of the few.
And it's that spirit this government will draw on as we deliver our programme for political reform:
A power revolution.
A fundamental resettlement of the relationship between state and citizen that puts you in charge.
Today I want to talk about how we'll get there.
Three major steps, that will begin immediately:
One: we will repeal all of the intrusive and unnecessary laws that inhibit your freedom.
Two: we will reform our politics so it is open, transparent, decent.
Three: we will radically redistribute power away from the centre, into your communities, your homes, your hands.
Big, sweeping change.
Not incremental, not bit by bit.
Our democracy has suffered at the hands of encroaching centralisation and secrecy for decades.
Take citizens' rights: eroded by the quiet proliferation of laws that increase surveillance, quash dissent, limit freedom.
Take executive authority: consistently increased by successive administrations to the point that we now have a neutered parliament and government that enjoys almost untrammelled control - over precisely the people who are meant to keep it in check.
Take the welfare state: one of modern society's greatest liberators - now utterly different to that envisaged by Beveridge because of the sheer degree of centralised control and micromanagement.
Britain was once the cradle of modern democracy.
We are now, on some measures, the most centralised country in Europe, bar Malta.
So, no, incremental change will not do.
It is time for a wholesale, big bang approach to political reform.
That's what this government will deliver.
I'm a liberal.
My starting point is always optimism about people.
The view that most people, most of the time, will make the right decisions for themselves and their families.
That you know better than I do about how to run your life, your community, the services you use.
So this government is going to trust people.
We know that, when people see a real opportunity to shape the world they live in, they take it.
Just think of the election we've just been through.
Thousands of young people rushing to register to vote before they missed the deadline.
When people have power they use it.
And when they are denied it, there is anger and disappointment.
We saw it two weeks ago when across the country hundreds of people were turned away from polling stations on election night.
I am eagerly awaiting the findings of the Electoral Commission's review into this fiasco...
Not least as an MP representing a Sheffield constituency where it happened...
We must make sure this never happens again.
You must be confident that, come polling day, your voice will be heard.
And - more than that - that chance shouldn't only come around once every five years.
You should be able to use your voice, to exercise your power, every single day.
Under this government's plans, you will.
Three steps to new politics.
First, sweeping legislation to restore the hard won liberties that have been taken, one by one, from the British people.
This government will end the culture of spying on its citizens.
It is outrageous that decent, law-abiding people are regularly treated as if they have something to hide.
It has to stop.
So there will be no ID card scheme.
No national identity register, a halt to second generation biometric passports.
We won't hold your internet and email records when there is just no reason to do so.
CCTV will be properly regulated, as will the DNA database, with restrictions on the storage of innocent people's DNA.
Britain must not be a country where our children grow up so used to their liberty being infringed that they accept it without question.
There will be no ContactPoint children's database.
Schools will not take children's fingerprints without even asking their parent's consent.
This will be a government that is proud when British citizens stand up against illegitimate advances of the state.
That values debate, that is unafraid of dissent.
That's why we'll remove limits on the rights to peaceful protest.
It's why we'll review libel laws so that we can better protect freedom of speech.
And as we tear through the statute book, we'll do something no government ever has:
We will ask you which laws you think should go.
Because thousands of criminal offences were created under the previous government...
Taking people's freedom away didn't make our streets safe.
Obsessive lawmaking simply makes criminals out of ordinary people.
So, we'll get rid of the unnecessary laws, and once they're gone, they won't come back.
We will introduce a mechanism to block pointless new criminal offences.
And, we will, of course introduce safeguards to prevent the misuse of anti-terrorism legislation.
There have been too many cases of individuals being denied their rights...
And whole communities being placed under suspicion.
This government will do better by British justice.
Respecting great, British freedoms...
Which is why we'll also defend trial by jury.
Second, reform of our politics.
Reform to reduce the power of political elites...
And to drag Westminster into the 21st century.
Starting with the House of Lords.
Did you know we've been talking about reforming the House of Lords for over a hundred and fifty years?
It's one of the areas where all the parties agree.
The time for talk is over.
This government will replace the House of Lords with an elected second chamber...
Where members are elected by a proportional voting system.
There will be a committee charged specifically with making this happen...
But make no mistake: that committee will not be yet another government talking shop.
This will be a dedicated group devoted to kick-starting real reform.
The same haste will be applied to fixed-term parliaments.
It's just wrong that governments can play politics with something as important as a general election...
Cynically picking the date to maximise their own advantage.
So this government has already set the date we think the next election should be:
May 7th 2015 - no matter who is where in the polls.
That is unless parliament votes to dissolve itself first.
As we legislate to fix parliamentary terms the details will of course need to be worked out...
But we believe that the support of 55% of MPs or more should be required for parliament to opt for an early dissolution.
That is a much lower threshold than the two thirds required in the Scottish Parliament.
But it strikes the right balance for our parliament: maintaining stability, stopping parties from forcing a dissolution to serve their own interests.
Former Labour ministers who were once perfectly happy to ride roughshod over our democracy are now declaring this innovation some sort of outrage are completely missing the point:
This is a new right for Parliament, additional to the existing powers of no confidence.
We're not taking away parliament's right to throw out government; we're taking away government's right to throw out parliament.
Parliament's power will be strengthened as we bring forward the proposals of the Wright Committee, put forward in November.
Starting with provisions to give MPs much more control over Common's business.
And, in addition to strengthening parliament, we will of course make sure we've cleaned it up.
Which is why I have already commissioned work on introducing the power of recall.
If you're MP is corrupt, you will be able to sack them.
You will need the support of 10% of people living in the constituency...
And your MP will have had to have been found guilty of serious wrongdoing...
But it happens in Switzerland, in Canada, in 18 US states...
And it's going to happen here.
We will regulate lobbying in parliament.
Not all lobbying is sleazy.
Much of it serves a hugely important function, allowing different organisations and interests to make representations to politicians.
But let's get real: this is a £2bn industry, where, according to some estimates there are MPs who are approached by lobbyists a hundred times every week....
And that activity needs to be regulated properly and made transparent.
Which we'll do, for example, by introducing a a statutory register of lobbyists.
As long as money plays such a big part in our politics, we are never going to curtail the tyranny of vested interests.
That's why David Cameron and I are determined to reform party funding.
All of the parties have had their problems...
And governments have been stopping and starting on this issue for years.
But so long as big money continues to hollow out our democracy...
Everybody loses.
So we will pursue a detailed agreement on limiting donations and reforming party funding in order to deal with this once and for all.
And we'll act to tackle electoral fraud too;
Speeding up the implementation of individual voter registration.
There is, however, no programme to reform our political system is complete without reform of our voting system.
This government will be putting to you, in a referendum, the choice to introduce a new voting system, called the Alternative Vote.
Under that new system far more MPs will have to secure support from at least half the people who vote in their constituency...
And, hand in hand with that change, there will be new constituency boundaries, reducing the number of MPs overall and creating constituencies that are more equal in size.
David Cameron and I are very relaxed about the fact we may be arguing different cases in that referendum.
But my position is clear: the current voting system, First Past the Post, is a major block to lasting political change.
According to some estimates, over half the seats in the Commons are "safe"... giving hundreds of MPs jobs for life... meaning that millions of people see their votes go to waste.
Is it any surprise that, with a system like that, we end up with politicians who are seen to be out of touch with the people they serve?
New politics needs fairer votes.
This referendum will be our opportunity to start to make that happen.
The third, and final step, is the redistribution of power away from the centre.
It's something the prime minister spoke about yesterday, and it is something we strongly believe. All politicians say they want to give people more control over their lives.
This government is going to make it happen.
In fact, if there is one area, where the differences between Liberal Democrats and Conservatives are almost impossible to spot, it's here.
We don't, unlike Labour, believe that change in our society must be forced from the centre.
Unlike the previous Labour government, we're not insecure about relinquishing control.
So rest assured, you will get more control over the hospitals you use; the schools you send your children too; the homes that are built in your community.
In our legislative programme we will be setting out plans to strip away government's unelected, inefficient quangos, plans to loosen the centralised grip of the Whitehall bureaucracy, plans to disperse power downwards to you instead.
And we are serious about giving councils much more power over the money they use, so they depend less on the whims of Whitehall, and can deliver the services and support their communities need.
We know that devolution of power is meaningless without money.
Our plans to disperse power also include strengthening devolution to other parts of Britain: Working with Holyrood to implement the recommendations of the Calman Commission...
Working with the Welsh Assembly on introducing a referendum on the transfer of further powers to Wales...
Supporting the continued success of the devolved government in Northern Ireland.
And, of course, asking what we can do about the difficult issues surrounding the West Lothian Question.
So, the repeal of illiberal laws, the reform of politics, and the redistribution of power.
Our very own Great Reform Act.
Not everyone will like it.
Not every MP...
Not the vested interests that want government to stay closed, opaque, easily captured.
But this new government, this new kind of government, creates an enormous opportunity for those of us who have spent our lives fighting for political reform..
This is a moment to step back and look at every shortcoming in our democracy...
Before we launch into the most radical programme of reform, empowerment, enfranchisement in over a century.
A programme so important to me personally that I will take full responsibility for seeing it through.
And as I do, I will be open, I will be ambitious, and I will listen.
I'll still be holding my town hall meetings, that I've been holding for the last two years, around the country, where you can come and ask me whatever you like.
The next one is actually in Sheffield on Friday.
As I lead the transformation of our political system, I want you to tell me how you want your politics to be.
Power will be yours.
That is new politics.
Thank you.
What the hell is this ****? i thought its a car forum? :D
dave j gtt
19-05-2010, 23:42
What the hell is this ****? i thought its a car forum? :D
thats 2,345 words that make some good reading and its good to read or i think it is anyway.
nice one blot good input :agree:
warpspeed
20-05-2010, 06:26
What the hell is this ****? i thought its a car forum? :D
he's been on the laxatives! what a pile of complete and utter b****hit! if he believes any of what he's wasted the time to type out he's sadly deluded, end of.
dave j gtt
20-05-2010, 14:30
he's been on the laxatives! what a pile of complete and utter b****hit! if he believes any of what he's wasted the time to type out he's sadly deluded, end of.
This sort of post i have no time for , but i undersatnd your need to post, it's your veiw :crap:
Please to do tell what you think will happen? or wont and why :confused: grown up :laugh:
Put somthing forward for people to think about, not just say it's all **** :scratch: :smokin:.
Nick Clegg, would have actually got my vote if i didnt think he was a pussy, scrapping nukes etc, letting illegals stay here etc.
Now hes been put in his place by the boss man im kinda happy hes there. At least he doesnt talk bollox I dont understand. He say this wrong lets change it. good on him.
warpspeed
20-05-2010, 16:25
what i mean is to think that any of our mp's individually or collectively will make our lives as 'ordinary' people any better is something i find almost impossible to believe,
they just don't listen or act on what their hearing from us
dave j gtt
20-05-2010, 17:04
what i mean is to think that any of our mp's individually or collectively will make our lives as 'ordinary' people any better is something i find almost impossible to believe,
they just don't listen or act on what their hearing from us
:cool: :agree:
he's been on the laxatives! what a pile of complete and utter b****hit! if he believes any of what he's wasted the time to type out he's sadly deluded, end of.
I don't have to type it out, I get them sent to me thru work ;)
Thought this was particularly interesting speech given it had a direct impact on rtoc forums
If no one bothered about stuff or hadn't voted the coalition in, we'd now be heading full steam towards ID cards, full internet and email monitoring by gov agencies and a level of state control of personal data and records not seen since pre war russia. They have already scrapped much of this big brother bollox within a couple of days of getting in.
dave j gtt
20-05-2010, 19:31
Good postings :cool:
dave j gtt
20-05-2010, 19:56
But i will tell you RIGHT NOW this will not be a smooth transition.
Also imagine how many polices that there are that have to change.
Think of all the uncertain organisation, charitys and buisness's, Affecting everyone.
It seems thing are going to get much worse before they get better. If they ever do get better. If were not lie to i will eat my hat :D
One thing for sure 2012 we will see change ,"people will wake up"
My last comment :agree: enjoy :smokin:
mr white
21-05-2010, 00:38
this song reminds me of cleg and cameron well all politics realy enjoy:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-EU-Xwm7RY
warpspeed
21-05-2010, 00:40
So our unelected goverment has made some changes to gain some favour with the populace as a whole, just gives them more rope to hang themselves and us with. Give them time and they will soon be sh*tting on us and as usual there will be lots of whining and the odd insignificant protest (fuel protests?) but as usual nothing will change, maybe we should be a bit more like the french or the americans (:eek: did i actually say that!!!!? see that's how bad this country is now! :sad2:)
mr white
21-05-2010, 00:44
So our unelected goverment has made some changes to gain some favour with the populace as a whole, just gives them more rope to hang themselves and us with. Give them time and they will soon be sh*tting on us and as usual there will be lots of whining and the odd insignificant protest (fuel protests?) but as usual nothing will change, maybe we should be a bit more like the french or the americans (:eek: did i actually say that!!!!? see that's how bad this country is now! :sad2:)
1 in 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ0we7NmojM:wasntme:
warpspeed
21-05-2010, 02:37
1 in 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ0we7NmojM:wasntme:
:scratch::coffee:
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