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Handy Andy has asked me to start a new project thread for him and post up the pics so far of his latest project and when I say its nuts, I'm mean its totally insane:D
Right lets start with the basics which Andy well correct if I get anything wrong.
The car is based on a 1989 campus he bought off ebay which had a twin campus engine conversion using a R11 turbo subframe in the back. Both those campus engines have gone and a 1.8ltr 16v clio valver engine has found its way into the back but with a few tweaks :D
The basic plan is is a wide bodied kit with extended bumpers and shed loads of power form the arse end.
This is the modded rear bumper extended and the slats cut out to alow airflow
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt020.jpg
The modded boot lid with plenty of metal cut out again to let air out
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt013.jpg
The front subframe with a sump guard and lots of welding and bracing to help stiffen it up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt021.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt022.jpg
The new strut brace's, a R5 GTT one for the front and a R11 turbo one for the back
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt023.jpg
The new rose jointed locking arms to replace the steering arms on the rear subframe
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt016.jpg
The new rad with a twin fan setup
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt017.jpg
The new pre rad for the charge cooler which is massive
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt018.jpg
A view of the interior with the new engine panels, cage and the coolant lines from the front to the back
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt076.jpg
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The removable engine inspection hatch
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt082.jpg
The modded airbox off a R25 v6 turbo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt038.jpg
The hydrolic hand brake
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt010.jpg
The laguna diesel gearbox with hydrolic clutch system
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt135.jpg
The front bay with new fuel cell in place
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt084.jpg
The hydrolic clutch master cyclinder
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt085.jpg
And the resevior for the clutch and the brake system
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt085.jpg
The new valves measuring in at 33mm on the inlet valves and 30mm on the exhaust
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt015.jpg
The timing sensor bracket
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt004.jpg
The T04E turbo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt034.jpg
The custom inlet manifold which has the stock 190cc injectors for off boost and 440cc injectors for boost
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt003.jpg
Can you spot whats under the manifold? yes its a Eaton M62 supercharger
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt024.jpg
The new belt arrangement
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/os8472/HA%20RWD%20Project/project5gtt026.jpg
Markey Mark (BD)
06-04-2010, 20:41
Ah a supercharged 16v rear engine 5, interesting! :D
Liking the conversion, some good work going on there
rs250nut
06-04-2010, 20:44
Ah a supercharged 16v rear engine 5, interesting! :D
Liking the conversion, some good work going on there
Compound charged marky, did you not spot the turbo:)
Markey Mark (BD)
06-04-2010, 20:46
Compound charged marky, did you not spot the turbo:)
I just noticed it now mate, computer was slow to upload all the pics. ;)
Either way still an interesting conversion.
Compound charged marky, did you not spot the turbo:)
Aye and a projected power output of more than a porsche 911 GT3 RS :eek:
Tony Walker
06-04-2010, 20:52
looking amazing :D is that timed up how its going to run tho? alot of slack between the cams.
that is a piccy from the (early stage) dummy build up of engine ;)
keep them piccys coming;)
This conversion has been done so many times! :bored:
when will some one do something new?
:p
Tony Walker
06-04-2010, 21:10
yeah theres gotta be somewhere else to put an engine. In a trailer maybe??? :)
tonesGTT
07-04-2010, 17:17
:crush::worship:
newbstar*
07-04-2010, 18:43
DO IT DO IT!!:smokin:
spazzin'eck awesome build!
there are a few more piccys of the fully built engine that os8472 needs to post up,should have some more of the dimma/skeete side skirts toshow this weekend,weather permitting:D
markey b
08-04-2010, 18:25
i hope your fitting big mirrors.... cos that thing will be facing the wrong way as soon as it hits the road!!
awesome car!!!
TNT ANDY
16-04-2010, 06:43
i hope your fitting big mirrors.... cos that thing will be facing the wrong way as soon as it hits the road!!
awesome car!!!
:agree::agree::agree::agree:
This is a one way ticket to burger king heaven Mr Andy.
But Smeg - It's looking like a really good quality build fella - it's come a long way since I saw it last. Keep up the good work.:smokin:
BTW - in response to the 'Yawn it's been done before' comment - That's exactly the type of negative comment that has turned soooooooo many RTOC'ers away over the years. That type of comment should be reserved for saxo forums only. You're of course entiltled to your opinion, but it is not within the mission statement of the club.
Rant over.
Go Andy
Go Andy.:agree::agree::agree:
BTW - in response to the 'Yawn it's been done before' comment - That's exactly the type of negative comment that has turned soooooooo many RTOC'ers away over the years. That type of comment should be reserved for saxo forums only. You're of course entiltled to your opinion, but it is not within the mission statement of the club.
Rant over.
good job he was joking then.... :rolleyes:
Big Steve - Raider
16-04-2010, 08:50
EPIC build Andy & Fantastic Quality!!! :niceone:
You'll have to get your finger out to bring it to pod! :scared: :wasntme:
fair ****in play.
this should b 1 to keep an eye on.
markey b
16-04-2010, 13:03
fair ****in play.
this should b 1 to keep an eye on.
looks like you've got some competition stu!
I dunno, I would imagine this car will have more power, more response and a hell of a lot less weight.
So. Not much competition in a straight line lol
but in the twisties is different.
I would think this will weigh 850-900 kgs, mines 1050
and this has gotta do 500-550bhp mines only 400 at the mo.
Will b nice to see and compare.
absolutely awesome.. but i woulds say that :D
I can't wait to see this on the road.. it'll be a real handful through those rear wheels.. I struggle with just 180 ponies! although I'll be developing the rear hubs and arms this years so I maybe able to help you a little if they work out :agree:
So. Not much competition in a straight line lol
but in the twisties is different.
As it stands mine does seem to handle asymetrically.. especially with me and the engine sitting on the same side - having a pasenger evens things out a bit.. although, I bet the renault 11 wider track will help.
skeete wide arches now fitted , and side vents cut out and ducts fitted,will get some pics up (cough cough )os8427;)
if it makes 400bhp that will be more than enough for me:) dont think gearbox will last long at that level :cry:
andy and stu cant wait to meet up :smokin: the beast should be completed hopefully for end of july:cooter:
cant wait to see this complete. that engine setup looks superb:agree:
ive always had a soft spot for wide arched 5's especially the Maxi turbo:devil:
now when i first read the thread title i nearly shat myself, if there has been one thing ive wanted to do its to intergrate a maxi widearch bodykit onto a gtt's body.:devil:
good job he was joking then.... :rolleyes:
Go Andy Go........
more like wind it in Andy, wind it in
The build looks utter class, I was simply being sarcastic.....you know having a laugh
when did everyone on here start getting so bloomin serious :sad2:
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'kin awsome :agree: :cool:
that's a really neat conversion.. :agree::agree:
TNT ANDY
20-04-2010, 13:31
:p
good job he was joking then.... :rolleyes:
It didn't look like it too me, but hey - I'm not here for the meither. Glad it was :agree:
must be the midlands humour. ;)
TNT ANDY
20-04-2010, 21:54
Yo Handy - This is looking a bit Spesh' hope to get over soon. Is looking far better than you've been making out.
Doner card on standby.
:laugh::laugh::laugh: car booked in for respray in 4 weeks time, still got to choose a colour :confused: metalics , pearls(to show n shine) ,red(fade to much) ,white ,black,(to much hassle to keep clean /show up marks) lairy bright colours are a no no,was thinking of something different, looked at some light greys and blues, something subtle,without attracting to much chav attention:scratch: thought about porsche meteor grey,or battleship greyish colour,something like that v8 twingo of the front cover of the old pfc magazine ,any suggestions ?? did think about doing it in maxi production racer colours and decals:cool:
just finished making alloy cover plates for rear vents (to hide the join between fibreglass duct and outer skin of body kit) could not believe the difference between the two moulded side vents:sad2: must have been 10mm difference in height and width :scratch: anyway more piccys coming your way os84762;)
:laugh::laugh::laugh: car booked in for respray in 4 weeks time, still got to choose a colour :confused: metalics , pearls(to show n shine) ,red(fade to much) ,white ,black,(to much hassle to keep clean /show up marks) lairy bright colours are a no no,was thinking of something different, looked at some light greys and blues, something subtle,without attracting to much chav attention:scratch: thought about porsche meteor grey,or battleship greyish colour,something like that v8 twingo of the front cover of the old pfc magazine ,any suggestions ?? did think about doing it in maxi production racer colours and decals:cool:
new ford fiesta has a subtle OE purple colour....
(just checked- its called Morello - a dark metallic cherry colour)
Check out the audi tt denim blue.. it would be my choice followed by s3 blue (a bit louder) or bmw estoril blue from the m3 I had fiesta painted in that and looked real nice.. or there's always old faithful... Raider blue :) ..either colour and i bet the result will be stunning!
http://i43.tinypic.com/2qsaypx.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2542194894_7c2c062114.jpg
TNT ANDY
21-04-2010, 22:16
Seen as your going to die in it - mat Black anyone?
:cooter:
Nice subtle grey sounds the nuts......just make sure it has a deep shine, not a matt finish like that V8 Twingo.
TNT Andy, it must be a midlands thing, I'm a hair dressing sailor in another thread :D :agree:
Sparkie, I'll be down Saturday to cut yours :cooter:
Seen as your going to die in it - mat Black anyone?
:cooter:
:laugh::laugh:trust you!
looks like you wont be wanting a ride in the beast then;)
Nice subtle grey sounds the nuts......just make sure it has a deep shine, not a matt finish like that V8 Twingo.
TNT Andy, it must be a midlands thing, I'm a hair dressing sailor in another thread :D :agree:
Sparkie, I'll be down Saturday to cut yours :cooter:
tnt Andy is all heart really ,and so big brother:D
keep the suggestions coming :cool:
looked at a bmw rally blue that was quite nice,should be getting some 9.5x16 on rear and 7.5 x15 on front , 5 spoke split rims:eek: need to come out another 80mm, which figures out to be -7mm offset on the rear :laugh:
bigdikky5
21-04-2010, 22:49
im always a fan of red
p.s im a fan the 944 in tha pic 2 :)
only problem with a red car is that IANMM already has a red wide arched beast, dont really want to follow if you know what i mean;)
I know its not a blue like your after but... i was looking at upgrading my VW T5 today and thay do the new ones in a metalic pearl brown (looks sooo much better that it sounds) or VW bamboo gray is a realy nice pearl gray. :agree:
markey b
22-04-2010, 13:20
i've got a few litres of ginger left :laugh:
what about white... keep it simple
:dearme: cant be doing with washing it every other day:laugh::laugh:
a car like this...wide arched ..juicy tyres ..wide rims
and you want a toned down paint job:scared:
your car is gagging to be painted exactly like......
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Renault_5_Maxi_Turbo_-_Race_Retro_2008_02.jpg
GO ON. DO IT.... I DARE YA;)
The new Bill J
22-04-2010, 20:05
your car is gagging to be painted exactly like......
The problem with that, imo, is that it's trying to make the car look like something it's not :crap:
How ironic that the car pictured above is a Maxi look-a-like, and not a real one :laugh:
bigdikky5
22-04-2010, 20:47
white and yello renault colours????
The problem with that, imo, is that it's trying to make the car look like something it's not :crap:
How ironic that the car pictured above is a Maxi look-a-like, and not a real one :laugh:
lol, i just typed in maxi turbo in google and got that.
interesting though.. so what differs from the above maxi lookalike compared to a genuine maxi.?
TNT ANDY
22-04-2010, 23:05
:agree:
The problem with that, imo, is that it's trying to make the car look like something it's not :crap:
How ironic that the car pictured above is a Maxi look-a-like, and not a real one :laugh:
:agree::agree::agree::agree: So why would ya???
TNT ANDY
22-04-2010, 23:09
Nice subtle grey sounds the nuts......just make sure it has a deep shine, not a matt finish like that V8 Twingo.
TNT Andy, it must be a midlands thing, I'm a hair dressing sailor in another thread :D :agree:
Sparkie, I'll be down Saturday to cut yours :cooter:
No worries fella - sorry to here about the sailer thing - Sparky will love that, I hope you can do a 1000 grit polish though.
Sorry in advance Sparky.
BTW - I possibly have less than you.
Hair that is.
Time for a beer
TNT Tricky Nicky
22-04-2010, 23:12
tnt Andy is all heart really ,and so big brother:D
:agree:
I don't think andy is going for a race look again, you may remember his ph1 black gtt with ronal turbos, stripped and stickered up like a cup car. The bonnet in the earlier pics is his carbon one off said car.
TNT ANDY
23-04-2010, 06:51
:agree:
I don't think andy is going for a race look again, you may remember his ph1 black gtt with ronal turbos, stripped and stickered up like a cup car. The bonnet in the earlier pics is his carbon one off said car.
I also remember about that time Handy saying not to mess around with the 5 and keep it origonal and OE. Hahahaha how times change. Good times good times.
:laugh:
Bruce - BHPerformance
23-04-2010, 09:36
The problem with that, imo, is that it's trying to make the car look like something it's not :crap:
How ironic that the car pictured above is a Maxi look-a-like, and not a real one :laugh:
How do you know that Bill?
The new Bill J
23-04-2010, 14:09
How do you know that Bill?
Because of the reg' number ;)
That car is used a lot at Slowly Sideways demonstrations, and is owned by a guy who lives up near Blot. I believe the car actually started out in life as a TDC.
Plus, I'm sure I read once that out of the 8 original Maxi's that remain, only one of them is in this country, and that's one of DIAC sponsored cars (not to be confused with the replica that's also in the DIAC colours).
Because of the reg' number ;)
That car is used a lot at Slowly Sideways demonstrations, and is owned by a guy who lives up near Blot. I believe the car actually started out in life as a TDC.
Plus, I'm sure I read once that out of the 8 original Maxi's that remain, only one of them is in this country, and that's one of DIAC sponsored cars (not to be confused with the replica that's also in the DIAC colours).
ah the reg! but never the less its a very nice replica..:uhhuh:
Plus, I'm sure I read once that out of the 8 original Maxi's that remain, only one of them is in this country, and that's one of DIAC sponsored cars (not to be confused with the replica that's also in the DIAC colours).
Isnt the John Price maxi the real thing? or at least the shell is?
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/leylandracer/Turbo%202/ra4jp.jpg
The new Bill J
23-04-2010, 14:51
ah the reg! but never the less its a very nice replica..:uhhuh:
:agree:
The owner's not afraid of driving it HARD either :cool:
BlueFish5Gt
23-04-2010, 15:03
Seen as your going to die in it - mat Black anyone?
:cooter:
+ 1 :smokin: :agree:
The new Bill J
23-04-2010, 15:06
Isnt the John Price maxi the real thing? or at least the shell is?
I've no idea on that one. It's definitely a Maxi kit, which JP specialises in fitting to non-Maxi's. They must be the gayest wheels I've ever seen though :crap:
That colour scheme is what Carlos Sainz' Maxi wore, and that car's now owned by Renault. I know there are several replicas in that colour scheme.
I'm trying to think where the original Maxi's are. Renault built 20 (to homologate them). They broke 10 immediately (for spares). Two were written off.
Four are owned by Renault.
One sold in Monaco a couple of years back.
One sold in France last year, on carclassic.com.
There's the one I mentioned in my previous post, in the UK (I think it's owned by DV8Motorsport).
That leaves 1 :scratch:
I could very well be, and probably am, wrong, as I haven't really followed anything to do with the Turbo 2's/Maxi's etc for a couple of years. Where's Moggy when you need him? ;)
The problem with that, imo, is that it's trying to make the car look like something it's not :crap:
How ironic that the car pictured above is a Maxi look-a-like, and not a real one :laugh:
and when Ragnotti got out of it after the first time around the goodwood rally stage, he turned to the renault girl and said, it his finest french/english......zat is ****e! no power!! LMFAO
Bruce - BHPerformance
23-04-2010, 19:05
a car like this...wide arched ..juicy tyres ..wide rims
and you want a toned down paint job:scared:
your car is gagging to be painted exactly like......
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Renault_5_Maxi_Turbo_-_Race_Retro_2008_02.jpg
GO ON. DO IT.... I DARE YA;)
And here it is in its older paint scheme when John Price Rallied it!
http://www.g-forum.net/cars2/JP3/JP25.jpg
The new Bill J
23-04-2010, 19:15
and when Ragnotti got out of it after the first time around the goodwood rally stage, he turned to the renault girl and said, it his finest french/english......zat is ****e! no power!! LMFAO
Oh yea, I remember you telling me that :laugh:
Good old Ragnotti :D
Some come on Moggy, where are the Maxi's? And is the JP car pictured above a real one?
Andrew Cooke
23-04-2010, 20:54
I think it's a TDC we have at work in DIAC colours. I ought to go an look at it some time, it's been there years and all I've done is glance at it :rolleyes:
The new Bill J
23-04-2010, 21:07
I think it's a TDC we have at work in DIAC colours. I ought to go an look at it some time, it's been there years and all I've done is glance at it :rolleyes:
Is it doing anything, or is it hidden away in a corner, under a pile of whatever? Do you reckon I could swap it for a gtt coupe? :D
The new Bill J
23-04-2010, 21:10
I've just realised, this is one hell of a thread hijack. Sorry Andy :ashamed:
sorry, my mistake :rolleyes: should have been renaut 5 superproduction racer,
with white bumpers and wheels:cool:
cant get any links though,but i'm sure someone will get some links up though, just to show what i am on about, just love the colour scheme:crush:
Don't paint it a modern metallic colour, they always look **** on old cars.
White for this one I think. Says prototype.
markey b
26-04-2010, 18:30
White for this one I think. Says prototype.
thats 2 for white! gloss white black wheels carbon bonnet keep it simples
Andrew Cooke
26-04-2010, 18:36
Is it doing anything, or is it hidden away in a corner, under a pile of whatever? Do you reckon I could swap it for a gtt coupe? :D
It's not done anything whilst I've been looking, but it may well be heavily into the dogging scene when my back's turned.
Alastair
26-04-2010, 19:58
It's not done anything whilst I've been looking, but it may well be heavily into the dogging scene when my back's turned.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
TNT ANDY
28-04-2010, 06:50
Any progress Andy?
just finishing the rear boot trim tonight:)
waiting to for mr nigel to finish spot welding the vent covers and bulk head hose connector:rolleyes: got to get camping gear ready also !! how much room in the car Andy:scared:
choosen colour, its a maxi mayer colour reference 7-3482 which is quite close to bmw corperate blue(a gloss version of a bright electric blue) is how i can best describe the colour:)
Sounds too modern. It will look cheap if you're not very careful.
Sounds too modern. It will look cheap if you're not very careful.
i agree:agree: we need a pic taken of the finished car before it goes into paint, then post it up on here and let the photoshop wizards go for it:agree:
JP Racing
29-04-2010, 18:54
The colour which andy has chosen looks good on the car and i think it will suit it.
But it is hard to tell as he has only tried it on a little piece of the rear quarter :)
The colour which andy has chosen looks good on the car and i think it will suit it.
But it is hard to tell as he has only tried it on a little piece of the rear quarter :)
I'm with John, its not a mad modern colour, infact its close to the original Gordini blue, should look spot on
TNT ANDY
30-04-2010, 06:35
just finishing the rear boot trim tonight:)
waiting to for mr nigel to finish spot welding the vent covers and bulk head hose connector:rolleyes: got to get camping gear ready also !! how much room in the car Andy:scared:
The welding should be done by august.
2011 if track records are to be considered.
Pleanty of room in the car - until you get in then there's a bit of a squeeze.
Anyway, stop hijacking your own thread you numpty, back to the colour. Sounds great. Can't wait to take a peak tonight when we roll up.
Andy
TNT ANDY
07-05-2010, 17:41
C'mon Andy - Weekly update please????
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
been waiting to see this after you told me bout it.
is the engine in yet?
once the shell is sprayed (2 weeks ),i will get the engine in and put up more piccy's, your all very welcome to come over and give me a hand ;);) free bacon rolls and tea :agree::laugh::laugh::laugh: have ordered the v band connectors and bends /connectors for the very short (3" diameter)exhaust system this week :laugh::laugh: along with alloy bends for the hard pipe boost kit:)
btw jimmy b, still loving the borbet's;) might get a set myself :cooter: (if i can get the offset right)
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
well mines about a week away from being on the road i reckon so a hand could be offered on some run in trips lol. btw you still got the oil cap?
TNT ANDY
16-05-2010, 08:43
once the shell is sprayed (2 weeks ),i will get the engine in and put up more piccy's, your all very welcome to come over and give me a hand ;);) free bacon rolls and tea :agree::laugh::laugh::laugh: have ordered the v band connectors and bends /connectors for the very short (3" diameter)exhaust system this week :laugh::laugh: along with alloy bends for the hard pipe boost kit:)
count me in - I'm lovin the bacon:cooter:
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TNT ANDY
19-05-2010, 21:47
That should easy spin up in 3rd:cooter:
bring on santa pod baby!!!!!:D:D pahhh 10.6, bring on the 9's:burnrubber:
TNT ANDY
19-05-2010, 22:00
bring on santa pod baby!!!!!:D:D pahhh 10.6, bring on the 9's:burnrubber:
Talk is cheap
Talk is cheap
I'll point out that was Andy using my profile.
I do think its gunna be quick, can't wait to see what it'll do
TNT ANDY
20-05-2010, 06:35
I'll point out that was Andy using my profile.
I do think its gunna be quick, can't wait to see what it'll do
I've no doubt, but what Scoff has achieved was no easy achievement - 9's is a very big ask. That said, there will be a lot of weight over the wheels LOL.
Can't wait to see if he can do it. Good luck to Handy.:agree::agree::agree:
awsome car, love it!
re 9's guys, not wishing to sound pesimistic but it takes about 145mph trap even with RWD to pass at 9.9. 145mph will take 550hp+ and no renault JB/JC gearbox will deal with that at the rear wheels :crap:
Rob@Backyardracing
20-05-2010, 08:55
awsome car, love it!
re 9's guys, not wishing to sound pesimistic but it takes about 145mph trap even with RWD to pass at 9.9. 145mph will take 550hp+ and no renault JB/JC gearbox will deal with that at the rear wheels :crap:
Nope, ive seen RWD cars crack 9`s with only 140mph trap, they get out the box well.. But as you say the gearbox wont last to see them times, prob just fail trying to launch the 1.5 60ft needed..
10`s is some doing, 9`s is another game... good luck
Top build tho, awsome work....:agree:
Rob, you'd need a low low 1.5 sec 60' or better to make a 9 sec pass with only 140mph! I was trying to stay within the realms of possibility !
Thats not a GTT box, its laguna diesel box, proberbly won't last but will put up a better fight than a gtt box will
Wow. 9s or not, it'll go well and that is an awesome engine. Props!
Can't wait to see if he can do it. Good luck to Handy.:agree::agree::agree:[/QUOTE]
in all honesty Andy i have no intention of running it up pod , purely a road and track car:)
just a spur of the moment remark ;)u know what i am like, but it was nice to see the responses, could almost "smell the fear" :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
total respect scoff
ps well done on your new pod record :eek:epic stuff,and im very confident you will hit the very low 10's :niceone:
Andrew Cooke
23-05-2010, 12:25
Thats not a GTT box, its laguna diesel box, proberbly won't last but will put up a better fight than a gtt box will
I bet it won't ;)
I bet it won't ;)
Proberbly not but the resulting explosion will be spectactular :D
car came back from spray shop today,well rolling shell anyway:laugh:will start building it up tomorrow , have also 60% completed the hard pipe boost kit and have carbon fibre wraped the wing mirrors and base plates,they just need sanding and finishing:D more piccys coming soon:laugh:
car came back from spray shop today,well rolling shell anyway:laugh:will start building it up tomorrow , have also 60% completed the hard pipe boost kit and have carbon fibre wraped the wing mirrors and base plates,they just need sanding and finishing:D more piccys coming soon:laugh:
excellent...:agree: waiting on the pic's :D
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Alastair
19-06-2010, 21:02
that looks awesome, should be scary to drive with that motor on the rear wheels!
TNT ANDY
19-06-2010, 21:24
Top work on the ol' butty front Andy.
Glad it went in with no real issues - Here's a few photo's
This is going to be one special 5.
Jp's welding skills came in for welding the gearbox circlip in place.
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ill get you buttler!!
:laugh::laugh::laugh: best picture ive taken for a while
TNT ANDY
19-06-2010, 21:27
The first attempt to lift the engine had it's problems - namely a broken lifting eye.
Top work on the ol' butty front Andy.
Glad it went in with no real issues - Here's a few photo's
This is going to be one special 5.
Jp's welding skills came in for welding the gearbox circlip in place.
was a top day ,next wensday @5:30 ish around jp's place for fuel tank fitment if anybody's up for it:) will be more piccys tommorow once the engine parts and boost pipes/turbo etc in :cool:
TNT ANDY
19-06-2010, 21:30
Then in she went, no lube required.
Oli (buttler) was not impressed.
TNT ANDY
19-06-2010, 21:32
And there she is all in place - Unfortunately, Handy had a wrong engine mount which he has since sorted, so if it looks a bit on the pi** then that should be sorted by tomorow AM.
Top job
holy crap!!!!that picture fourth on the right :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:classic :wasntme:
must have been deep in thought !!!!!:p:p:p:laugh::laugh::laugh:LMAO
markey b
20-06-2010, 02:02
lookin good andy, sorry i couldn't make it to help but FCS has wiped me out and my fuel gauge said no :(
ps. dont put that disgusting ph1 grille on!!
ps. dont put that disgusting ph1 grille on!!
No sell it to me insted. the progress on this is awsom, have you got a estimated completion date? national day?
TNT Tricky Nicky
20-06-2010, 13:10
holy crap!!!!that picture fourth on the right :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:classic :wasntme:
must have been deep in thought !!!!!:p:p:p:laugh::laugh::laugh:LMAO
looks more like stew just finished making you his bitch! mind you in the first photo it looks like oli was about to try making me his bitch judging by the smile on his face! :sad2:
i have to agree with markey b about the grill, not sure it looks right
looking good handy! cant wait to see this on the road.
where did you get it painted? i need to get mine done soon but round here they want ALOT of money
TNT ANDY
20-06-2010, 14:38
looks more like stew just finished making you his bitch! mind you in the first photo it looks like oli was about to try making me his bitch judging by the smile on his face! :sad2:
i have to agree with markey b about the grill, not sure it looks right
Not bling enough eh?
I have to dissagree - it looks the tits. Keep her on there Andy and if you don't I'll Tbag Oli for it.
:cooter:
Andrew Cooke
20-06-2010, 15:04
it looks like the weld has pulled the circlip out of the groove, is it OK?
TNT ANDY
20-06-2010, 15:14
it looks like the weld has pulled the circlip out of the groove, is it OK?
I'll give him a ring b4 he starts throwing the shafts in
TNT ANDY
20-06-2010, 15:17
I'll give him a ring b4 he starts throwing the shafts in
If only he would answer his phone
:sad2:
markey b
20-06-2010, 16:16
Not bling enough eh?
I have to dissagree - it looks the tits. Keep her on there Andy and if you don't I'll Tbag Oli for it.
:cooter:
lol, no just an OE ph2 one would look a million times better :agree:
*Yellow*
20-06-2010, 20:19
Great job Andy :agree:
Going to be a bit special when its all done, going be an experience on track:D
Nice meeting you and OS at Maccy- d`s, shame my car was battered:(
Good luck:)
Great job Andy :agree:
Going to be a bit special when its all done, going be an experience on track:D
Nice meeting you and OS at Maccy- d`s, shame my car was battered:(
Good luck:)
:niceone: will hopefully see you at national day ;)
it looks like the weld has pulled the circlip out of the groove, is it OK?
all good andy did check before installing shaft:)
been a busy boy today ,drive shafts in , turbo and turbo blanket bolted on,exhaust cut to length a test fitted ,just needs welding(jp racing cough:innocent::innocent:)coolant pipes fitted,oil cooler pipes fitted,fuel pipes to inlet /pressure reg fitted ,oil catch tank/header tank re-fitted,oil return to sump fitted,template for n/side front engine mount made as r11 item wont fit jc5 box:cry::cry:r25 v6/21 turbo airbox fitted:cooter:, deffo trying for national day , rolling road on 10 august:scared:
JP Racing
20-06-2010, 23:12
Bring it with you Wednesday mate will weld it up for you then ;)
Mr Raider
21-06-2010, 13:32
Top job Handy Andy, was great to see it in the metal and get lump in, reckon you should be good to go for national day! :) :cool: big up da butties! :D
nice work.. can't wait to hear and see it cranked up and rolling!
I have a slightly easier method of installing the engine, I have a little trolley see picture.. I've since modified it slightly with two raised bits that meet the subframe giving clearance for the sump.
With the back of the car jacked up, I wheel the engine into the engine bay.. slide a jack underneath, jack up and drop the four mounting bolts in, this allows me to do the whole job single-handedly.. then plumb up as normal, it's quite useful for unsociable hours when you just feel the need to take the engine out :niceone:
I generally leave the driveshafts, hubs and struts connected although thats down to preference!
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great idea Andrew:cool:,thats a deffo mod within the next 3 months:niceone:
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superb work! :agree:
could you say to me of which mark come the mask from your turbo? ;)
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www.projectptp.com for the turbo blankets/mask :)
any ideas to which duct and where to mount my air duct for the airbox:scratch:
cant get underneath or to the side vents ,to many bits in the way:cry:
i can either go up through the engine cover or straight out the back of the boot(as shown in piccys above, any ideas or opinions on what would work/look the most sensible:confused::confused:
You could mock up a perspex right rear 3/4 'glass' and have a cold feed straight to the airbox/turbo?
That way you could incorporate a subtle duct for the air scoop effect :)
TNT ANDY
28-06-2010, 17:38
:agree::cool:
how about into that plastic vent next to your water tank.. that should go over your wheel arch.. maybe you can force some air from your side vent through that passage..if it still exisits :agree:
how about into that plastic vent next to your water tank.. that should go over your wheel arch.. maybe you can force some air from your side vent through that passage..if it still exisits :agree:
could make an alloy plate with duct running out of it ,directly feed into airbox, that way the air would have to be pulled over the wheel arch void :cool: another good idea andy:agree:
few more updates, fitted gear box oil and engine oil , intrestingly because i've shimmed the the front drivers mount by 12mm and fabricated passenger side the engine,it seems to be tilting back a liitle more ,and has taken a bit more oil in both area's ie it has taken 4 litres of gear oil ,and 4 litres of engine, the dipstick only shows half full , or do the f7p/f7r take more oil anyway to fill:scratch: havent read oil capacity in haynes manual yet:homer:doh!:laugh:
also finished making braided brake lines and fitted on all four corners:)
that is automotive porn in my book, seriously hats off, that is ace :cool:
that is automotive porn in my book, seriously hats off, that is ace :cool:
I agree with Scoff this is fantastic :cool: just looking forward to seeing this in the flesh and on track. Keep up the good work:agree:
www.projectptp.com (http://www.projectptp.com) for the turbo blankets/mask :)
That's useful as tempratures can get quite warm in there..how long do they take to deliver from America? and where did you get the turbo manifold from?
bigbadboytank
29-06-2010, 12:53
Great Project guys, Awesome Car !!:agree:
How have I only just come seen this thread, I'm with Scoff pure Automotive porn!
That's useful as tempratures can get quite warm in there..how long do they take to deliver from America? and where did you get the turbo manifold from?
4 -5 days for delivery , the manifold is the cast item jobbie that k -tec sell , but got mine of ebay £89 or try www.engine dynamics/or performance engine components (pec) only thing is if you want to run a bigger t3 then you will need a adapter plate (ebay £40-50)or weld your own:laugh: must admit if i did'nt have the supercharger ,would have gone for a tubular type with longer headers(follow on the lines of r5 turbo2 ,and bought it around the side of block
www.projectptp.com (http://www.projectptp.com) for the turbo blankets/mask :)
merci beaucoup pour le lien !
savez vous si on peut en trouver pour T2 ou GT25 ?
(via un autre site ?!)
thank you very much for the bond!
know if one can find some for T2 or GT25? :ashamed:
(via another site?!)
Mr Raider
30-06-2010, 13:33
Looking mighty damn mega fella! :cool: :agree:
Looking mighty damn mega fella! :cool: :agree::cool2::cool2: just finished fitting new steering rack and filled the brake and hydro clutch system, then bleed the system and checked operation of clutch slave cylinder, all good with only 2 leaks on the whole system:eek: one being my fault (forgot to fully tighten one of the hose connectors on too the brake bias valve (feed in):rolleyes: the other was weeping from feed in to the hydro hand brake :crap: but sorted with a re tighten and some ptfe tape around the thread pmt ftw:agree::laugh::laugh::laugh:,also made a start on the wiring loom to engine ,which i should have finished by end of week, 45 degree bends turned up today also ,so should have that completed by end of week also:D
TNT ANDY
02-07-2010, 06:23
When you putting the wheely bars on???
:laugh:
i need to see this bugger running, its going to be a bit special me feels :cool:
made alloy extender bracket to mount rad on today, fitted rad and pre -rad for charge cooler, also fitted rad pipes , carrying on with the wiring tomorrow , and should also be fitting my boost control unit (blitz sbc type) :cooter:
should have more progress piccy's this weekend :D
nice to see another wide arch monster :)
nice to see another wide arch monster :)
:agree:
allanr5gtt
24-07-2010, 21:54
any video clips bud?
unfortunatly not and due to a leaky fuel cell, it maybe a while :( i do have a sound bite of the first start up but it sounds like a proper bag of spanners
fuel cell back in and new pressure gauge+ sender fitted:)
speedo now working also as well as all electrics working :yeah::yeah:
carbon door cards are on the way, just got to get doors back and fitted and bumpers sprayed and fitted ,mot, tax ,insurance ,new rear tyres all for 13th:scared::scared: its going to be very close.. oh and with live mapping on route to national day :eek:cough cough jp:D
JP Racing
29-07-2010, 17:09
Lol i'll be there with some live mapping on route :)
just dont bring that five men tent along , :laugh::laugh:wont be a lot of room in the back:ashamed:
JP Racing
29-07-2010, 17:40
Yeah and i don't think that massive drum bbq of mine will fit in the glove box either ;)
um ...what glove box!!:laugh::laugh:
new rear tyres just ordered ....225/40/16 toyo t1r,s @£62 each:cooter:
looks like car wont be going to national day now:cry::cry::cry:
yet another set back , sump is now leaking , so the sump will be coming off again :cry::cry::cry: another pain in the arse job!!! seems strange how this only happened since fitting the recirc valve on supercharger boost pipe ,maybe causing to much crankcase pressure:scratch: will swap back over tomorrow and see what happens, and fit thrixo paste this time instead of a melleor sump gasket:crap: the eaton did make a nice whine though when running ...felt good:smokin: started to pull @2.5 andwas going nicely by 3k, bearing in mind the ignition and fueling need tweeking to really get the beast to sing:cooter: did sound a lot quieter with the recirc dump valve and engine covers in place ,rather than hissing every time u touched and let of the throttle,maybe that recirc can't handle the amount of air being released back into the turbine housing:confused: think the locals will grow to hate me judging by the look on most peoples faces as we mapped the car in the estate today :tuttut::innocent::innocent: hahhaa:devil: with da boosst init!!!:laugh:
thanks again os8427 :niceone::niceone: unit next weekend maybe;)
thanks again os8427 :niceone::niceone: unit next weekend maybe;)
No problem bud, i'll go over the map and use the loadsites that we got spot on as a reference and try to exstrapolate ruffly what the rest should be.
Throttle response was defo better with the atmosferic dv compared to the recirc, when thats on i'm sure it'll make all the mapping done saturday defunced if the dv makes a difference but hey its somit never tried on a valver engine before, there's gunna be set backs
TNT ANDY
02-08-2010, 21:29
No problem bud, i'll go over the map and use the loadsites that we got spot on as a reference and try to exstrapolate ruffly what the rest should be.
Throttle response was defo better with the atmosferic dv compared to the recirc, when thats on i'm sure it'll make all the mapping done saturday defunced if the dv makes a difference but hey its somit never tried on a valver engine before, there's gunna be set backs
Here Here Oli - Spoke to Andy today, he was a bit down, but after talking to him for a bit his chin came back up and he's back on track now. You've gotta expect a few blips along the way which he has accepted now. There will be some pretty radical stuff wrong in the ECU and sealing the sump is no biggy, I think you're right to take out the tricky stuff and concentrate on getting the basics right first ie recircing dump valves etc. I think he's done amazing considering how quicky this has come together.
Keep going Andy :agree:
Here Here Oli - Spoke to Andy today, he was a bit down, but after talking to him for a bit his chin came back up and he's back on track now. You've gotta expect a few blips along the way which he has accepted now. There will be some pretty radical stuff wrong in the ECU and sealing the sump is no biggy, I think you're right to take out the tricky stuff and concentrate on getting the basics right first ie recircing dump valves etc. I think he's done amazing considering how quicky this has come together.
Keep going Andy :agree:
Thing is mate there shouldn't have been anything wrong with the ecu, Andy paid for a brand new unit, but Nigel stuck his nose in AGAIN and gave Andy what looked like to me a second hand unit as it had a map for a pug 306 with an S16 engine on throttle bodies and half the settings had been changed, for example the map sensor had been switched off, that would be the case on the pug engine as that uses a MAF not a MAP.
That prick nigel has alot to answer for and I personally can't wait to go over to his house and make him see the error's of his ways:upyours2:
few more bits added tonight , fitted my new boost gauge see what supercharger is doing and when,also can now keep an eye on +/- pressure , also got ecu checked over and new base map uploaded @emerald this morning and dropped of bumpers to spray shop (at long last:rolleyes::rolleyes:) also purchased some 3mm cheq plate and formed and fitted passenger foot rest ,to protect coolant pipes and peoples feet if something lets go!! rear tyres also turned up so will get them fitted tomorrow:)also purchased another oil filter and oil , ready for sump change:(still think its crankcase pressure but cannot put my finger on it:sad:
Thing is mate there shouldn't have been anything wrong with the ecu, Andy paid for a brand new unit, but Nigel stuck his nose in AGAIN and gave Andy what looked like to me a second hand unit as it had a map for a pug 306 with an S16 engine on throttle bodies and half the settings had been changed, for example the map sensor had been switched off, that would be the case on the pug engine as that uses a MAF not a MAP.
That prick nigel has alot to answer for and I personally can't wait to go over to his house and make him see the error's of his ways:upyours2:
know your pissed oswald ,but dont put comments like this on forum boards, you dont know who could be reading it:scared::scared: thats classed as slander!!:tuttut::tuttut:
remember what i said the other week about a certain somebody :rob:
few more bits added tonight , fitted my new boost gauge see what supercharger is doing and when,also can now keep an eye on +/- pressure , also got ecu checked over and new base map uploaded @emerald this morning and dropped of bumpers to spray shop (at long last:rolleyes::rolleyes:) also purchased some 3mm cheq plate and formed and fitted passenger foot rest ,to protect coolant pipes and peoples feet if something lets go!! rear tyres also turned up so will get them fitted tomorrow:)also purchased another oil filter and oil , ready for sump change:(still think its crankcase pressure but cannot put my finger on it:sad:
Don't worry, you'll get there, just gunna take some time
anyway ,what u up to saturday:laugh::laugh::laugh:
fancy another go at it :eek:third time lucky:ashamed::ashamed:;)
MOT first then I'll be round yours for another go at mapping.
What you doing wednesday night? I need a hand bleeding my rear brakes once I've fitted the new lines
cant we make it tueday, 2 for 1 at you know where!!:cooter:
cant we make it tueday, 2 for 1 at you know where!!:cooter:
We'd have to get the old lines off and make the new lines up before bleeding but I think thats doable in time for the pizza man to turn up :D
:smokin: until tomorrow then:D
:smokin: until tomorrow then:D
Ok bud, I finish at half 5 tomorrow, will see ya then
TNT ANDY
03-08-2010, 06:00
know your pissed oswald ,but dont put comments like this on forum boards, you dont know who could be reading it:scared::scared: thats classed as slander!!:tuttut::tuttut:
remember what i said the other week about a certain somebody :rob:
Only if it's not true:cooter:
finished the sump of tonight ,after 3 1/2hrs thursday night getting the sump of ,hopefully all should be good for tomorrow, fitting doors in the morning and setting up ecu , followed by a trip to the breakers in the afternoon , just glad the sump is now done was a complete arse ache:sad::sad::sad:
finished the sump of tonight ,after 3 1/2hrs thursday night getting the sump of ,hopefully all should be good for tomorrow, fitting doors in the morning and setting up ecu , followed by a trip to the breakers in the afternoon , just glad the sump is now done was a complete arse ache:sad::sad::sad:
Awesome, we can crack on with some part throttle mapping straight away then
fitted the doors /locks and rubber trim/mirrors yesterday, fitting glass tonight and re-alinging bonnet and fitting bonnet pins:)
wensday is bumpers and gear linkage
thursday is brake lines re-bleeding and testing
friday possible mot :scared:
wheres the photos handy! cant wait to see this thing in the metal
Finally some progress with the part throttle mapping, amazing the difference turning the fuel pressure down to 3.5bar from 5bar makes :eek:
Andrew Cooke
11-08-2010, 10:28
Finally some progress with the part throttle mapping, amazing the difference turning the fuel pressure down to 3.5bar from 5bar makes :eek:
really? I upped mine from 3bar to 5bar, changed one number in the ECU and it ran exactly as before.
TNT ANDY
17-08-2010, 17:18
More Mapping tonight Andy???
yep,door cards and bonnet pins fitted to crap fit carbon bonnet:laugh::cry: car booked in for mot this friday morning :eek: still awaiting bumpers :scared: and brakes to mend and running issues :scared: fingers crossed!!!!!!
TNT Tricky Nicky
18-08-2010, 00:03
You can do it Andy :agree:
Will have to come across again to see how she's looking
You can do it Andy :agree:
Will have to come across again to see how she's looking
:cool:
apart from its FAIL at mot station friday:cry::cry::cry:
but still, its all part of the fun:crap:
TNT Tricky Nicky
22-08-2010, 11:01
what did it fail on?
Any news? :agree: :disagree: :)
Mr Raider
13-09-2010, 13:29
I believe it failed on brakes and emissions...
I believe it failed on brakes and emissions...
It failed on rear brakes as there was kink in the line to the rear and emissions as for some reason when I mapped the load site it sat in at idle the second you did anything to the throttle it would run either mega rich or lean, made no sense, Dave had it at Emerald and diagnosed a duff TPS, a new 1 fitted and the car now has a decent base map to run in on.
The oil leak turned out to be the supercharger and not the sump and I believe Andy has got the rear line sorted so its just awaiting a retest:D
been busy at it again ,since finding the oil leak(supercharger pulley wheel/snout housing)i have stripped the above and resealed as it seemed to be lacking any:sad2: which was only showing itself under postive pressure, coating the belts and off side drive shaft in the process :(
also purchased a new alternator (breakers yard find:D)
and having waited 2 1/2 weeks for new supercharger oil to arrive its now back together, i have also changed the crank pulley size , due to the fact that when being set up on the rolling road the eaton m65 only seemed to produce 4.5 psi (4500rpm)which i thought was lacking somewhat ,so i have changed from a 95mm to a 130mm diameter (1.3 ratio to 1.8 ratio which should help although i cant be sure ,so only a rough psi output as there seems to be very little information on flow rates for an eaton m65, so it could make around 7 psi (735cc ) or a possible 14 psi (1016cc) these are the only figures i could find being bounced around different forums using a google search.( if anybody knows for sure plese let me know :sos::sos::sos: ) so wont know 100% untill its up and running again:scared:
with the 130mm crank pulley and bigger trigger wheel, i had to change the metal water pump pulley to a smaller plastic item (both items came of a tdi scenic )and fabricated a new pick up sensor bracket which bolts to the sump ,
still got to fit new braided -4 brake pipe which i suspect has a kink in the teflon section and double check brake bias valve and test rear brakes again then ready for re test:D
computers are not my thing so will have to wait until os84721 comes around again for more piccys:laugh::laugh:
TNT ANDY
17-09-2010, 06:20
been busy at it again ,since finding the oil leak(supercharger pulley wheel/snout housing)i have stripped the above and resealed as it seemed to be lacking any:sad2: which was only showing itself under postive pressure, coating the belts and off side drive shaft in the process :(
also purchased a new alternator (breakers yard find:D)
and having waited 2 1/2 weeks for new supercharger oil to arrive its now back together, i have also changed the crank pulley size , due to the fact that when being set up on the rolling road the eaton m65 only seemed to produce 4.5 psi (4500rpm)which i thought was lacking somewhat ,so i have changed from a 95mm to a 130mm diameter (1.3 ratio to 1.8 ratio which should help although i cant be sure ,so only a rough psi output as there seems to be very little information on flow rates for an eaton m65, so it could make around 7 psi (735cc ) or a possible 14 psi (1016cc) these are the only figures i could find being bounced around different forums using a google search.( if anybody knows for sure plese let me know :sos::sos::sos: ) so wont know 100% untill its up and running again:scared:
with the 130mm crank pulley and bigger trigger wheel, i had to change the metal water pump pulley to a smaller plastic item (both items came of a tdi scenic )and fabricated a new pick up sensor bracket which bolts to the sump ,
still got to fit new braided -4 brake pipe which i suspect has a kink in the teflon section and double check brake bias valve and test rear brakes again then ready for re test:D
computers are not my thing so will have to wait until os84721 comes around again for more piccys:laugh::laugh:
Top jobby And, you can almost taste it now.
cool seems like things are moving on now :agree:
how much work is involved fitting the supercharger? I thought about this for mine just keping the 11:1 compression and running 7psi.. I was hoping to do it with an M45 as they seems to be a lot of them knocking around from the minis
cool seems like things are moving on now :agree:
how much work is involved fitting the supercharger? I thought about this for mine just keping the 11:1 compression and running 7psi.. I was hoping to do it with an M45 as they seems to be a lot of them knocking around from the minis
very tight fit to get mine in (more luck than judgement) had to fit a 10mm packer on the drivers side engine mount by 12mm ( which gave me 10mm clearance between bulk head/ cross beam and supercharger) and fabricate a one off near side mount ,also the cross beam was also cut out re fabricated and extened 45mm towards front of car , then used redundant m10/1.5 bolt holes on the front of block to fix my supercharger mount to, and gtx alternator bracket which tensions the alternator /belt, that said eaton m45 is more adaptable than the m65 with its one piece inlet/exhaust casting (pain to work with) and your inlet manifold is much tighter to the block ,so could work quite well on yours , maybe swap positions with the alternator and have the eaton on top, level with the head,would give you better access to it , and keep the heat away , have a look on u tube for some ideas also ,just a thought :innocent:
been told to also change supercharger oil every 3500 miles if running more than 6 psi as they tend to contaminate/sliver the oil very quickly if used hard (2 cogs in the pulley housing) :scratch:, will be doing mine with a syringe and 8mm pipe (suck it out) save time hassle:)
been busy for a while sorting out yet more teething problems in between the crap weather here over the last month or so, where to begin... after fitting the new smaller plastic water pump pulley and bigger crank pulley all seemed fine for all of 8 mins ...and then crack wollap...bang !!! goodbye plastic pulley and aux belt:crap: did'nt like the tension i had placed upon it to eliminate belt squeal from the supercharger :laugh::laugh: anyway after a quick head :scratch: decided to cough up for a one off billet pulley wheel to match the plastic (crap renault item)that had blown up, why did'nt they produce it in metal like the slightly bigger o.e version of the f7p/r in the first place!!:jerkoff:, anyway after a 2 week wait and a lot of swearing trying to fit the pulley wheel on , its now on and in the mad rush to get it running again between the heavy rain showers i managed to fit the crank pulley 180 degree's out :wasntme: anyway monday night it was up and running again and sounded just awsome:cooter: well worth the effort :laugh:with the engine warmed up a few blips of the throttle where applied followed by a more aggresive stab of the the throttle, which resulted in a light showering of coolant from the header tank in the rear passenger side of engine bay:eek: it seems with the bigger crank and smaller water pump pulley in place the coolants now decided to flow a lot more at higher rpm and filling the header tank beyond its capacity at an alarming pace!!!! after more head scratching and swearing at the car,iv purchased a silicone reducer to fit on the rear outlet of the thermostat housing 18mm -13mm fitting which will then feed into the turbo and then out of the turbo back into the 8/10mm on top of the thermostat housing ,and do away with the rear header tank totaly, problem solved :D (i hope) sat morning will be intresting and the first time its been driven since being set up with a runnning in map on the rollers , cant wait :cooter: should be interesting:laugh:
if anybodys got some ideas for a coolant/flow solution let me know:D
To solve the coolant issue mate as I said we need to get a look at another F7P thats been turbo'd to see which pipes flow which way.
Hopefully some kind person will let us know
what time are heading over tomorrow ? dont make it to early the reducer still has'nt turned up:cry: after 12:00 ish:agree:
what time are heading over tomorrow ? dont make it to early the reducer still has'nt turned up:cry: after 12:00 ish:agree:
Ok 1ish then
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TrixNFlix
30-10-2010, 18:13
Superb work. :agree::):):):)
Over fueling by any chance?:D
One of my favourite projects of all time :cool:
Superb work. :agree::):):):)
Over fueling by any chance?:D
Just abit but thats done to the map being done for running in only and the rev limit set to 4k
Superb work. :agree::):):):)
Over fueling by any chance?:D
nope afr are in the high 12's -13's , its got soft cut set at 4000rpm then hard cut at 5000rpm supercharger starts to really pull at 4000 rpm which is a shame as i couldnt change quick enough hence the bang:laugh: need to sort out a pedal stop as hyrdo clutch works well but pushing down to far forces to much on pressure plate:crap: turbo disabled for the moment until its run in for a 1000 miles then the remap and big fun begins, if the gearbox will take it:scared:
One of my favourite projects of all time :cool:
cheers scoff ,that means a lot coming from the mad scientist himself:cool:
;) if the gearbox lets go i will be beating a path to your door:D
brakes also a little bit under powered at front ,does'nt really inspire much confidence at higher speed braking , no servo being the main reason :ashamed: although it did feel quite balanced between front and back , never mind im sure the wilwood four pots coming next week will sort them out:laugh:
anybody got ideas for tracking , was thinking 3 degree's toe in on rear wheels and maybe 1-or 2 on the front , open to all ideas :scratch:
what are peoples views on the negative camber on the rear .....to much???
good to see its finally alive!!!
with my old RWD andy I ended up with 0 deg camber at the front and whatever factory standard GTT front camber is at the rear. I also stiffened the standard anti-roll bar at the rear somewhat. I played about with tracking too. A few degrees toe-in at the rear made it feel a lot more stable. Hopefully your tie rods at the rear will be pretty parrallel with the floor too. I used to suffer with bump steer with the standard rack angles until I sorted that out.
In the end the car was pretty well balanced, to me anyway. You could throw it into corners and you'd get a hint of understeer before the back started to get loose. It was quite controllable in the dry. Totally different matter in the wet. You will need to be SO carefull it's untrue. I could spin 180° at 30mph on a roundabout in the rain on new yoko A539's I think they were. Take every corner super carfull once its damp. I even lost it in a straight line once. damp road, lit the rear wheels up at 60mph and ended up heading down the carriageway at 45° for a moment. thankfully by that point I was getting used to RWD so it didn't phase me much. I think if I had of done that early on I'd have stacked it :D
Jimmy_GTT
30-10-2010, 20:50
Amazing project!!! CONGRATULATIONS! ;)
Tony Walker
30-10-2010, 20:53
Depending on what you do with the rack you could create some rear wheel steering. would take some clever geometry thinking, if your rack was above level with the track rod ends and ahead of the rear wheels this should toe out as the wheel moves up when weight is transfered to the outside wheel also going lighter on the inside wheel would have the opposite effect and toe in. but as said on bumps would prob create bumpsteer. something to look in to tho, theres a good read on competition geometry, good for learning basics, competition car suspension a practical handbook fourth edition allan staniforth.
something to look in to tho, theres a good read on competition geometry, good for learning basics, competition car suspension a practical handbook fourth edition allan staniforth.
After losing a copy of my favourite book chassis engineering I recently bought that book and found it a bit wordy.. maybe I should have read it again but I found chassis engineering gets more to the point so I've just bought a second copy.. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chassis-Engineering-Cars-Herb-Adams/dp/1557880557 If you fancy the alan stanforths book let me know and I'll let you have it cheaper than you can find anywhere else ;)
As for the bump steer I eliminated mine by fixing the rear hubs.. quite a bit of work and my plan is to re-do them basically a copy of the rear end of a mojo a kit car which pretty much resembles what we are trying to do.. whilst I'm at it I will try to move the engine & box 100mm to equal the weight out as with me sat in it it's quite one sided although you are in a better position as you have a wider rear track to start with.. mines still std r5 gttt. Here's a link to a site that the owner of the mojo talks about his issues with setup (and he designs suspension) http://www.everettmail.co.uk/mods/mods_sus_align.htm.
Another thing I've found with mine is I need to lower it to keep the center of gravity down and in turn this means I'm running out of travel on the shocks so I may have to go stiffer with the springs (fortunatly they're 2 1/4 coilovers but it still costs when you buy a set at £30 only to find out they're too soft.. maybe I should read that book again :) )
If I make any progress I'll let you know.. I'm planing on doing a full seasons hillclimbing next year so hopefully by the end of the year I should have something that handles :) that said it's still a huge amount of fun.. and I will second what scoff says in the wet take it easy :agree::agree:
Here's a couple of pics of a mojo and you'll see how much of the back end could be incorporated into the five..
http://www.everettmail.co.uk/pics/build/mar_04/engine_in2.jpg
http://www.everettmail.co.uk/pics/build/feb_04/outside2.jpg
thankyou for the input Tony ,Andrew:) will take a trip to northhampton motorsport once ive done a 1000 miles run in and got the rest of the little issues sorted out , before turning up the power , thanks scoff ,andy for the warning when driving in damp/wet conditions, sometning i got to get used to in a rwd car the size of a matchbox:eek::scared:
SCHWARTZ
31-10-2010, 19:18
looks amazing matey i want one:D
Tony Walker
31-10-2010, 20:17
We've got a v6 coming in, in a week or so, ill try get a few measurements together, see how renault have overcome bumpsteer :D (Cheers for recommending chassis engineering, just purchased a copy :D stanforths was a lil wordy. Difficult to find anyone willing to give anything away, i liked his cheap methods of measuring certain conditions)
yeah the string computer :)
I'll be interested to see.. also how central the engine is and how they balance the weight when you have to bolt a gearbox on one side.. I can't help thinking left hand drive would have been the easy option for distributing weight evenly..
Andrew Cooke
01-11-2010, 08:07
yeah the string computer :)
I'll be interested to see.. also how central the engine is and how they balance the weight when you have to bolt a gearbox on one side.. I can't help thinking left hand drive would have been the easy option for distributing weight evenly..
I thought that with the twingo, esp with that big heavy engine, but guess what, without me in in it's perfectly balanced left to right, I get in a feck it all up :D
I thought that with the twingo, esp with that big heavy engine, but guess what, without me in in it's perfectly balanced left to right, I get in a feck it all up :D
lol.. maybe I should consider a mclaren f1 setup at least I'll be able to squeeze a 3rd passenger in :agree:
TNT ANDY
01-11-2010, 18:35
[url]http://www.margnor-online.co.uk/bolts/8-8bolts-1/metric/m8
:cooter:
Tony Walker
01-11-2010, 22:11
I think for less bump steer the longer the rack end/track rod end the better, the larger the arc the less in/out movement there will be on bump/droop :coffee: With a short track rod end it would have much more movement (toe in/out) Does this make sense to anyone or am i making this up? lol
What an absolutely awesome car. I want it.
RTOC has some seriously bad ass projects these days. :agree:
Andrew Cooke
02-11-2010, 07:59
whilst I'm at it I will try to move the engine & box 100mm to equal the weight out as with me sat in it it's quite one sided although you are in a better position as you have a wider rear track to start with.. mines still std r5 gttt.
you might be surprised how little difference moving the engine makes, work it out on a bit of paper... It's a lot of work to achieve very little.
dont think its going to make a lot of difference anyway in mine, once im in it that is ,must be the burgerking effect:laugh:
been tinkering again , after more google searching last night , it seems like my bypass /pressure relief valve working of a actuator to bypass the supercharger at a set psi is not such a good idea :crap: to many issues /fluctuations it seems according to our cousins in the usa , they either mount a wastegate /poppet valve in its place , or most blow through altogether and dont bother with the bypass at all:(
so im going to feed it constant through the eaton and fit a external waste gate down stream after the charge cooler and recirculate infront of the eaton intake, my only concern is that the intake temp could rocket even with the charge cooler in place, maybe refit my water injection system into the eaton intake to aid cooling , i dont have the room for a second charge cooler :crap:
thoughts anybody:scratch:
on a more positive note , my engine bay looks a lot more open which should allow for better air circulation /cooling :)
have also purchased a remote oil filter system ,which i will fit in the rear near side wing (where the header tank used to live) as trying to get access in its current position between the supercharger is a complete pain:rolleyes:
TNT ANDY
04-11-2010, 06:43
I know that you never really finish a project, but it's so frustrating to see you being so close to getting it on the road, only to be tripped up at the last 10 hurdles. I admire your commitment and patience.
I'll be back to Renault tomorrow to pick up your paperwork.
to be fair;) its not a lot of work . the system in place stays 85%the same just removing the bypass valve and two fabricated alloy bends, like u said to me few months back, its all trial and error:)
you might be surprised how little difference moving the engine makes, work it out on a bit of paper... It's a lot of work to achieve very little.
You could be right be I'm still trying to find someone with some corner weighing scales to get me started :crap:
I think for less bump steer the longer the rack end/track rod end the better, the larger the arc the less in/out movement there will be on bump/droop :coffee: With a short track rod end it would have much more movement (toe in/out) Does this make sense to anyone or am i making this up? lol
It makes sense to me :)
I admire your commitment and patience.
I'll second that :agree: just think though by the time the good weather comes you'll have it nailed!!
I'll second that :agree: just think though by the time the good weather comes you'll have it nailed!!
cheers Andy , hows yours coming along?:)
been buying more bits for the beast again , new clio valver wishbones and drive shafts with abs rings have turned up ,along with polybush set for valver anti roll bar,:cooter:
my renault scenic/clio abs hubs go into the machine shop tomorrow to have approx 3mm of metal removed from the mounting lug that attaches to the strut, ready for the launch/ traction control config on the ecu,and allow the rear tyres to pull in a bit, as im not happy with the amount of negative camber on the rear wheels:ashamed:and the bigger bearings should cope better with the stresses of running wide 16" rims
boost system is now 99.9 % complete again ,just got to get 25mm alloy pipe welded to supercharger inlet pipe,this will form the recirc system in between gear change and low rpm /idle:) airfiler box repositioned and 102mm duct work now feed into the nearside vent to hopfully give more ramming effect of cold air at higher speeds, oil sandwich plate now on and just waiting for remote filter head to turn up along with the extra pipe work:rolleyes: all going well should be up and running again by the weekend , and new suspension geometry should be in place for the weekend after,all going well:laugh:
been buying more bits for the beast again , new clio valver wishbones and drive shafts with abs rings have turned up ,along with polybush set for valver anti roll bar,:cooter:
my renault scenic/clio abs hubs go into the machine shop tomorrow to have approx 3mm of metal removed from the mounting lug that attaches to the strut, ready for the launch/ traction control config on the ecu,and allow the rear tyres to pull in a bit, as im not happy with the amount of negative camber on the rear wheels:ashamed:and the bigger bearings should cope better with the stresses of running wide 16" rims
boost system is now 99.9 % complete again ,just got to get 25mm alloy pipe welded to supercharger inlet pipe,this will form the recirc system in between gear change and low rpm /idle:) airfiler box repositioned and 102mm duct work now feed into the nearside vent to hopfully give more ramming effect of cold air at higher speeds, oil sandwich plate now on and just waiting for remote filter head to turn up along with the extra pipe work:rolleyes: all going well should be up and running again by the weekend , and new suspension geometry should be in place for the weekend after,all going well:laugh:
top stuff mate sounds like you are pretty much there now :agree: keep it going and a fantastic build thread hats off to you :)
top stuff mate sounds like you are pretty much there now :agree: keep it going and a fantastic build thread hats off to you :)
cheers phil:), just a pity its taken so long , but i guess its the norm when building/developing a car project, would have liked to attended more meets etc :(
never mind ,bring on 2011:D
cheers phil:), just a pity its taken so long , but i guess its the norm when building/developing a car project, would have liked to attended more meets etc :(
never mind ,bring on 2011:D
and some ruined tyres, knackered clutch and a gearbox in many pieces lol
BluntyR5GTT
11-11-2010, 06:38
what an absolute epic project, just out of interest could a c1j be supercharged and turbo charged well ? just thinking of guys who have t28s etc who dont get boost till 4k +
what an absolute epic project, just out of interest could a c1j be supercharged and turbo charged well ? just thinking of guys who have t28s etc who dont get boost till 4k +
Perfectly possible just space in the engine bay is tight, if it rear engined yeah no problem
BluntyR5GTT
11-11-2010, 07:42
cool :) so what sort of power are you hoping for with this ? i bet it will be mega responsive :agree:
cool :) so what sort of power are you hoping for with this ? i bet it will be mega responsive :agree:
350 -400 if im lucky:devil: all depends on how long the gearbox lasts !!!
but like you said after response more than anything and would settle for 300 bhp if it lasts for a while:)
BluntyR5GTT
11-11-2010, 17:06
defo mate i bet it will be crazy when the turbo kicks in as well, will be good compare this to some big powered cars especially in gear tests as id imagine yours will do pretty bloody good :agree:
defo mate i bet it will be crazy when the turbo kicks in as well, will be good compare this to some big powered cars especially in gear tests as id imagine yours will do pretty bloody good :agree:
hope so,but time will tell:laugh::laugh:
TNT ANDY
15-11-2010, 22:33
Update please.:p
Oh and BTW - you need to rename the thread on this post to R5 GTTurbo2.5:cool:
Update please.:p
Oh and BTW - you need to rename the thread on this post to R5 GTTurbo2.5:cool:
STILL waiting for remote oil head,and pipe:sad:
should be picking up hubs tomorrow:D and alloy pipe with recirc pipe welded on :)
sent off confirmation of engine size /cc etc paper work to dvla monday, so all going well should get the all clear for christmas, would just like to say a big THANKYOU to TNT ANDY for sorting that out ,i am really grateful Andy you came to my aid there,big time :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:, and goes to show that there are decent people out there who are willing to help ,where others just want to shaft people,(difference between renault dealerships is just worlds apart)
a side note for anyone who has intentions of swaping an engine , you will need proof of engine size ,cc capcity, engine code, and number from
1- manufacturer
2- engineer (independent or vosa)
both options are not cheap ,unless you know people in the trade;);)
unless you can prove the engine swap was completed before you purchased the car:scratch:
oh, and i purchased a 140mm fan to fix onto the oil cooler(switch operated on dash ) more for track and long hard runs in the hot summer months next year,(if we get any):laugh::laugh:
TNT ANDY
18-11-2010, 21:26
That's better - was getting withdrawals.
jamie_clioGTT
19-11-2010, 23:04
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
WOW!! speechless to be honest.. absolutley amazing. hats off to you pal. fair play.
where others just want to shaft people,(difference between renault dealerships is just worlds apart)
Just paid £16 for four caliper bolts from my Renault dealer basically a M14 50mm bolt :( not sure there was much they could do on the price I think it was just a ridiculous price to start with.. ah well needs must :agree:
TNT ANDY
22-11-2010, 17:54
Just paid £16 for four caliper bolts from my Renault dealer basically a M14 50mm bolt :( not sure there was much they could do on the price I think it was just a ridiculous price to start with.. ah well needs must :agree:
Just also paid £14 for 8x bolts for wings.:(
Adey aka Ewok
22-11-2010, 18:05
ever thought of trying places other than renault?
TNT ANDY
29-11-2010, 22:50
ever thought of trying places other than renault?
I did, bit the tread on those is such an odd ball, I figured I could easily waste half a Saturday mooching around only to find it's Renault only. I've done this before.
I did, bit the tread on those is such an odd ball, I figured I could easily waste half a Saturday mooching around only to find it's Renault only. I've done this before.
Yep.. I have just about every type of off the shelf bolt in my garage.. I just had to bite the bullet
Hey.. Handy have you been out in the snow in the beast? I was going to take mine to work the other day but I was worried the pipes running under the car would freeze ....lol
Yep.. I have just about every type of off the shelf bolt in my garage.. I just had to bite the bullet
Hey.. Handy have you been out in the snow in the beast? I was going to take mine to work the other day but I was worried the pipes running under the car would freeze ....lol
erm ..no;) dont fancy destroying my project before ive even run the engine in and turned up the boost:laugh::laugh:
the pipes under the car could be a problem:D
to be honest ive never used any of my 5 gtt in winter:)
just found the ultimate decal/graphics for my project...:cool:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VERY-RARE-RENAULT-5-GT-TURBO-MATTEL-1990-HOTWHEELS-/290505329746?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_Dieca stVehicles_JN&hash=item43a3778c52#ht_500wt_1156
what do you think:D:D
Woznaldo
03-12-2010, 21:20
:laugh:
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