View Full Version : Clio 172 cam belt change.. how do you do it?
I'm taking the engine out this weekend to get the gearbox looked at.. thought I might aswell do the cam belt.. is it straight forward? I've not changed one before.. I think I need to buy something to stop everything moving
TBH mate its not that difficult but rather than spend 3 hours writing out a post if you pm me your email address i'll send you a copy of the service manual.
no worries will do that.. cheers
I'm taking the engine out this weekend to get the gearbox looked at.. thought I might aswell do the cam belt.. is it straight forward? I've not changed one before.. I think I need to buy something to stop everything moving
You can hire the Renault tools to lock the cam/ crank and pulleys from a few people on the cliosport.net site.
Just don't make the mistake I did and overtighten one of the pulleys so it didn't move (fecking idiot)
http://www.rtoc.org/files/Technical%20Files/James5%20-%20172%20Conversion/IMG_5036.JPG
I've uploaded the manuals to the techincal files section.
Heres the link
http://www.rtoc.org/files/?path=Technical%20Files/Clio%20Sport%20Service%20Manual/
there is one more file which wouldn't upload it covers the brakes and suspension so if anyone needs it fire me a pm
cheers for that.. I'll nip to gsf and grab a belt kit..
I think I might need to enlist the help of a friend as I can bolt and weld stuff on but I'm never confident about playing with the engine itself..
5alldaway
01-04-2010, 08:41
is this an engine out job? cheers
is this an engine out job? cheers
I know it can be done in situ in a R5 with the 172 lump by jacking up the drivers side of the engine abit (mounted undone). Not sure on the 172 / 182 as the engines are suspended mounted and you will need to remove the drivers side mount to get to the pulleys.
Prob best doing a search on the www.Cliosport.net site
is this an engine out job? cheers
No mate you can do it with the engine in, it took me and Steeve (speedy) 1.5 full days to do it on the wifes 182, that was with all the proper gear and 2 guys who've done it before. It was a bit of a nightmare to be honest, wouldn't want to do it very offten! Space is very tight and you keep having to jack it up and lower it to get access!!
Its soo much easier with the engine out tho!
Gttnutter
01-04-2010, 09:55
Although i've not changed the cambelt(not due yet) i've done the aux and tensioner and a waterpump on the floor and that was a pain
there so tight to the leg and inner wing
My 172 is due for a cambelt, well, it's slightly overdue...
I'd rather pay someone to do it in all honesty, like you guys have said, access can be a pain.
No mate you can do it with the engine in, it took me and Steeve (speedy) 1.5 full days to do it on the wifes 182, that was with all the proper gear and 2 guys who've done it before. It was a bit of a nightmare to be honest, wouldn't want to do it very offten! Space is very tight and you keep having to jack it up and lower it to get access!!
Its soo much easier with the engine out tho!
TBH it only took us so long due to the engine builder (who will remain nameless) tightening everything to ridiculous levels, followed by the destruction of a vital tool (not the kettle luckily). On top of that was a leak from the rocker cover which needed to be removed to re-seal it. If we'd had all the tools on day 1 we could've easily finished it in a day, but it still is a pig of a job.
Im sure all the torque settings in the book were FT!
Tony Walker
01-04-2010, 13:54
Its a days work with someone who knows what there doing, espeacially if its got aircon. Also makes it easier if you take the headlight out. just make sure you lock the crankshaft correctly, worth taking a plug out and making sure its at tdc. Then the caps pop out for you to lock the camshaft tool in, the de-phaser returns to its correct postion anyway so theres no need to set it up or anything, aslong as you have it locked and dont try and turn it. Sometimes the crankshaft pulley seizes you may have to pry it off gently as this should spin freely.
5alldaway
01-04-2010, 15:49
cheers folks, i picked up a trophy a few days ago and there is no history of the cambelt ever been done, infact there is no history at all so i just want the belt doing for piece of mind, drives lovely but very firm :)
Northwest Performance
01-04-2010, 23:39
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We do cam belt kit + aux kit + full service for £470 inc vat using all genuine Renault parts.
More info call us on 01606 784917 or visit our web site www.northwestperformance.co.uk
Rob@Backyardracing
01-04-2010, 23:50
To me thats not a bad price...:agree:
Ive done a few cam belts on 182/172 AC and without.. Cam belt on AC cars takes around 5 hours and thats changing the aux tensioner unit and no removal of any panels etc.. with out AC its pretty easy going.. Tools if your handy with a bit of fab you could make your own tools up.. if not them laser kits seems cheap and ok...:)
Northwest Performance
02-04-2010, 18:34
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To me thats not a bad price...:agree:
Ive done a few cam belts on 182/172 AC and without.. Cam belt on AC cars takes around 5 hours and thats changing the aux tensioner unit and no removal of any panels etc.. with out AC its pretty easy going.. Tools if your handy with a bit of fab you could make your own tools up.. if not them laser kits seems cheap and ok...:)
You should NEVER use the laser tools they bend and can cause the timing to go out.
Tony Walker
02-04-2010, 19:12
Just as a guide our cambelt price for 172,182 with waterpump, new gates cambelt kit (not got renault on but they make them for renault) new alternator belt but not a new tensioner(not worth changing unless its needed imo) is £270 inc vat
Northwest Performance
02-04-2010, 20:28
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Just as a guide our cambelt price for 172,182 with waterpump, new gates cambelt kit (not got renault on but they make them for renault) new alternator belt but not a new tensioner(not worth changing unless its needed imo) is £270 inc vat
Thats got to be for a cup models. as the parts come to more than that.
You should ALWAYS change the aux tensioner as they can fail and take the cam belt out by rapping around the crank pulley.
Seen it happen and its not a nice thing to see.
Our prices for cup models is £210.
The job takes about 4 hours just so people have so idea on time.
Rob@Backyardracing
02-04-2010, 21:17
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You should NEVER use the laser tools they bend and can cause the timing to go out.
What the slotted one for end of cams bends? who torqs against them anyway on a belt change? :confused: or are you referring to when cam pulleys have been removed?
Northwest Performance
02-04-2010, 21:46
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What the slotted one for end of cams bends? who torqs against them anyway on a belt change? :confused: or are you referring to when cam pulleys have been removed?
Yeah the one that you slot in the end.
You shouldnt be torquing them with that on that would be crazy.
For a few pounds more for the Renault 1 its not worth even risking.
Rob@Backyardracing
02-04-2010, 22:06
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Yeah the one that you slot in the end.
You shouldnt be torquing them with that on that would be crazy.
For a few pounds more for the Renault 1 its not worth even risking.
Nope i dont and never would , ive never had to remove the pulleys anyway on a clio.. If i did ill be looking for the flats on the cam if any?.. :)
If renault tools not much more then hay hoo, there you go.. :agree: still, you cant beat good old in house made tools... :p blah you renault guys have it easy with timing anyway compared to a porky GT3 or GT2/ turbo..
Enough of that, Heads up on the Prices... :agree:
Tony Walker
02-04-2010, 22:24
Just curious, by parts being more than £270 do u mean you change the de-phaser also? only renault cambelts prices i know dearer than that are v6 prices
5alldaway
02-04-2010, 22:32
booked my trophy in at rensport(formerly hill power) for
cam belt kit
auxillary belt kit
water pump
£580 :scratch:
rs250nut
02-04-2010, 22:46
booked my trophy in at rensport(formerly hill power) for
cam belt kit
auxillary belt kit
water pump
£580 :scratch:
Saw you coming springs to mind:wasntme: its all about the diy
5alldaway
02-04-2010, 22:53
hehe i hate diy! dont like getting oil under my nails :)
old skool turbo power
02-04-2010, 23:01
booked my trophy in at rensport(formerly hill power) for
cam belt kit
auxillary belt kit
water pump
£580 :scratch:
haha should of kept the five mate :laugh::cool:or u got rid did u say ???
Rob@Backyardracing
02-04-2010, 23:08
I remember the first cam belt 172 (no AC) belt i did a good few years ago, i charged £130 supplied and fitted, aux belt, timing belt with rollers and tensioner.. :laugh: what was i thinking....:scratch:
5alldaway
02-04-2010, 23:18
haha should of kept the five mate :laugh::cool:or u got rid did u say ???
my time with 5s have come and gone mate, tis time to concentrate on things that are far more imporant, i do sort of miss the 5 but i am loving this trophy now, such a hoot to drive and i love the refinement!
All you need now for your trophy is a turbo :)
5alldaway
03-04-2010, 00:43
hehe no thanks, i like it the way it is :)
You'll enjoy the Trophy mate I've had mine since sep 2005 and loved every minute.
5alldaway
03-04-2010, 01:30
owned mine since tuesday and so far so good! havent had the chance to drive it hard yet with the cam belt on my mind, but once thats done i would be happy to explore the car more :)
rs250nut
03-04-2010, 09:31
hehe i hate diy! dont like getting oil under my nails :)
The only time I get dirty hands is when I run out of gloves:D
The Gates kit that IS just as good as Renault Kit is £103.60 With the Vat for a Belt, Tensioner 2 x Idler and 2 x Cam Caps.
The Tensioner for the Aux Belt and idle and the belt is around £122
Labour Wise on a FF 172 its a good 5 Hour Job.
The Cups around 3 Hours.
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