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SCHWARTZ
22-02-2010, 09:50
im looking for a fuel pump for the volvo conversion! I have been told that a pump from some bmw's will work also the escort rs turbo! I was wondering if anyone has used those 30quid pumps on ebay? They say they run at 5bar which seems like itll be enough but wanted to see if anyone has tried these and experienced any probs?
TrixNFlix
22-02-2010, 09:59
How much power are you going for? I asked the wizard and he said the phase one Gtt pumps are ok for standardish boost levels.I also know a member who has this enigine in his car and runs 1 bar of boost with this pump.
if it helps im using a golf gti pump
is doing the trick for me at 18 psi
SCHWARTZ
22-02-2010, 11:16
I was only looking at 15-18 psi max as im only looking at using standard injectors with a rising rate regulator atm! But mite go for slightly bigger ones at a later date so want a pump that can also do that!
SCHWARTZ
22-02-2010, 11:18
also would like it to fit in standard bracket and requite as little mods as poss! How does your one fit in dave?
my pumps are mounted in the boot with fuel pump clamps that i got from burton power mate
have no pike as of yet sorry fella
michael tierney
22-02-2010, 17:18
make sure u have excess capacity in the fuel pump as in litres/minute or hour!!no point in fitting a 20 bar micra pump;)
SCHWARTZ
22-02-2010, 17:25
i thought pressure(bar) would relate to how much fuel it could flow anyway! or is it something completly different?
http://www.qspraceware.nl/rubriek.php?topic=benzinepompen&lang=english
I used te QP 580 909 - Bosch-version - € 63,00
SCHWARTZ
01-03-2010, 20:10
is the uprated fuel pump for the 5 from the likes of k-tec adequate?
Ph1 pump should do ;) Look at gsf...
saying that for the 1.7 id be speaking utter bollox it might turn out... ask scoff, check his web page efi parts etc
SCHWARTZ
01-03-2010, 20:30
looks like gsf only have pumps for the gtx and efi parts only bosch 044 pumps 130 quid too for me fella. il keep me eyes peeled on the bay:rolleyes:
SCHWARTZ
03-01-2011, 21:55
I may be needing a new pump as im fitting bigger injectors and turbo and i dont know if the old one will handle it. I was wondering if any of these would be ok, or mainly if anyone has tried any of these and knows if they are good units?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HRC-Performance-INLINE-Fuel-Pump-400-BHP-/260715413520?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cb3d98010#ht_500wt_1156
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SYTEC-LINE-HIGH-PRESSURE-FUEL-INJECTION-PUMP-300BHP-/400183762029?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d2ccf9c6d#ht_2700wt_905
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/D2A-Fuel-Pump-305-LPH-INLINE-UNIVERSAL-External-/160468160969?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item255ca5d1c9#ht_9568wt_905
i've got this one
http://www.qspracewear.com/rubriek.php?topic=ENG_benzinepompen
QP 580 909 - Fuel Pump 909
For competition use, for injection cars only
Style: Bosch 909 pump.
- 12 Volt connection
- 260L per hour Free Flow
- 160L per hour at 5 BAR
- Current: 9 Amp at 5 BAR
- Max. pressure 11,2 BAR
- Inlet: 15mm hose connection
- Outlet: Banjo 12mm / M12x1,5 female
Price: € 62,61 ( Excl. VAT)
SCHWARTZ
07-01-2011, 19:19
i looked on the website looks like a nice pump but couldnt figure out how to buy it:scratch::laugh:
Also found THIS (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110618942422&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) on ebay. may be worth a punt, pretty sure it's up to the job..
SCHWARTZ
17-01-2011, 11:40
pretty sure andy also suggested that pump. It would defo be the cheaper option over the bosch unit as you wont get much change out of £150 after buying fittings etc... I have emailed the seller to see what the manufacture warranty is and if its 1year like the bosch pump i will go for this.
Matt Cole
17-01-2011, 11:56
pretty sure andy also suggested that pump. It would defo be the cheaper option over the bosch unit as you wont get much change out of £150 after buying fittings etc... I have emailed the seller to see what the manufacture warranty is and if its 1year like the bosch pump i will go for this.
Looks good matey. I have just specd that pump for my bro's conversion. Alternatively, the stock pump from a cossie will do and can be had second hand quite cheaply.
TrixNFlix
17-01-2011, 13:52
Also found THIS (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110618942422&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) on ebay. may be worth a punt, pretty sure it's up to the job..
Good price that guys, also fits in the gtt's standard fuel pump bracket. :agree:
SCHWARTZ
17-01-2011, 14:02
is this what you have used andy?
TrixNFlix
17-01-2011, 15:52
Yeah that's the Pump Gary, think you'll need a 12mm fitting for the tank side of the pump though, from memory:scratch::laugh:
is this what you have used andy?
Same here gary :)
SCHWARTZ
17-01-2011, 16:57
Think il go for that then. What you rekon bout getting it from the shop in steves link as its in the states? Do you think it would be better getting it from somewhere in this country if theres anyprobs?
SCHWARTZ
17-01-2011, 19:40
this is what the bloke said about warranty.
There is a 90 day warranty on these pumps by Walbro. If there is a defect, you can send the pump to us, we'll in turn ship it to Walbro and they will test. If they determine the pump is defective due to a manufacturing issue, they will replace the pump free of charge. If they determine the pump to have failed from improper use or water in the fuel, they will return it and charge $30 for the testing.
which is sh1t to be fair. Found this which is a bit more but is from the uk and the hose connections should be better for size what ya think?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Walbro-255lph-External-In-line-Fuel-Pump-Banjo-Fitting-/120639597679?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c16ae2c6f#ht_1118wt_1139
SCHWARTZ
17-01-2011, 19:45
or this, 12mm and 8mm fittings 1 year warranty uk based
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WALBRO-280-LPH-EXTERNAL-FUEL-PUMP-KIT-GSL392-INLINE-/370343964457?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item563a386f29#ht_1893wt_1139
gary i got mine from ebay just checked, i paid £115
seller was jp4mance.co.uk, they are in kent
or this, 12mm and 8mm fittings 1 year warranty uk based
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WALBRO-280-LPH-EXTERNAL-FUEL-PUMP-KIT-GSL392-INLINE-/370343964457?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item563a386f29#ht_1893wt_1139
:) divvy, yeah same seller :)
http://www.autosportparts.eu/webshop/shopping_cart.php?sort=2a
SCHWARTZ
17-01-2011, 20:47
:) divvy, yeah same seller :)
:laugh:yeah thinking of getting that one is cheaper than the 044 pumps and has 1 year warranty. Hows it been doing? Are they as noisy as everyone says?
SCHWARTZ
17-01-2011, 20:58
http://www.autosportparts.eu/webshop/shopping_cart.php?sort=2a
link wont work on my computer. works on my phone:scratch: but cant translate on that:rolleyes:
:laugh:yeah thinking of getting that one is cheaper than the 044 pumps and has 1 year warranty. Hows it been doing? Are they as noisy as everyone says?
Mate mine is one stripped out mother fecker as you know and it does not annoy me. Buy it.
SCHWARTZ
18-01-2011, 22:15
well i bit the bullet and went for the bosch pump in the end worked out £20 more expensive but as i have had to modify the fuel pump bracket to take the oil golf pump it will mean i wont have to change it back:D
SCHWARTZ
21-01-2011, 18:39
pump arrived yesterday and fittings today, its a ****ing monster of a pump:D
Matt Cole
21-01-2011, 18:55
pics:D
SCHWARTZ
22-01-2011, 11:21
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy12/schwartz87/2011-01-22_11-01-13_389.jpg
Tony Walker
22-01-2011, 11:50
lol just pump the fuel straight in the cylinders sod the spark plugs that thing will push you along.
SCHWARTZ
22-01-2011, 16:03
Spark plugs are up them self little cnuts anyway.
SCHWARTZ
22-01-2011, 16:44
the only problem I have now is the inlet of the pump is 15mm. So do I run a new 15mm fuel hose to the tank or do I use the original fuel hose and just connect it to a larger bore hose for the pump? The reason I have the 15mm inlet is that it was recommended so that the pump does not run dry so wouldn't using the standard fuel line do this?
SCHWARTZ
22-01-2011, 16:48
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/16mm-12mm-Barbed-STRAIGHT-HOSE-REDUCER-CONNECTOR-JOINER-/380251838166?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5888c696d6#ht_4741wt_905
something like this?
the only problem I have now is the inlet of the pump is 15mm. So do I run a new 15mm fuel hose to the tank or do I use the original fuel hose and just connect it to a larger bore hose for the pump? The reason I have the 15mm inlet is that it was recommended so that the pump does not run dry so wouldn't using the standard fuel line do this?
an 8-10mm id fuel line should be enough for what your going to run, try to avoid plastic fittings on fuel lines as might become brittle/break over time i.e when you least expect it (flat out in 4th or 5th):laugh::laugh: not good:( if you can find a brass or steel adapter so much the better :D
off the top of my head isnt the 044 bosch pump inlet a 18x1.5mm thread if so just try and find a 12mm push on/barbed to m18x1.5mm fitting:scratch:
SCHWARTZ
23-01-2011, 13:30
Couldnt find any that were 12mm:rolleyes: only 15mm. Il have a look for a brass adaptor. I didnt know if using a smaller adaptor or fuel hose would restrict the fuel getting to the pump?
Just to add to this thread and warn peeps about the Walbro 255 aka GSL392 I purchased a brand new Walrbo 255 GSL392 at the end of May 2011 just when I started to do my engine conversion. The pump has only covered a max of 200miles now and the fecking thing has failed, I thought it was injectors so changed and I have changed everything on my fuel supply setup and only thing left is the pump.
I have contacted the seller on ebay whom advised me I myself need to go to Walbro direct, I have tried to phone and call Walbro since monday this week have had no response from them as yet.
I personally advice peeps to keep away from the Walbro pumps and use the Bosch pump's been on a few forum's now and the Walrbo's tend to fail quiet often and Walbro are harsh on the warrenty aswell.
Does anyone have a contact @ Walbro UK distributor? as I am really struggling here and need a pump not that I want a Walbro again really
Just to add to this thread and warn peeps about the Walbro 255 aka GSL392 I purchased a brand new Walrbo 255 GSL392 at the end of May 2011 just when I started to do my engine conversion. The pump has only covered a max of 200miles now and the fecking thing has failed, I thought it was injectors so changed and I have changed everything on my fuel supply setup and only thing left is the pump.
I have contacted the seller on ebay whom advised me I myself need to go to Walbro direct, I have tried to phone and call Walbro since monday this week have had no response from them as yet.
I personally advice peeps to keep away from the Walbro pumps and use the Bosch pump's been on a few forum's now and the Walrbo's tend to fail quiet often and Walbro are harsh on the warrenty aswell.
Does anyone have a contact @ Walbro UK distributor? as I am really struggling here and need a pump not that I want a Walbro again really
Shocking james, i to have the same pump and to bought from a guy on ebay.
What were the symptoms james?
Keep us updated :)
Shocking james, i to have the same pump and to bought from a guy on ebay.
What were the symptoms james?
Keep us updated :)
Symptoms were a few weeks back after completing the conversion I decided to do some WOT test's all was good when i initally done them afr's @ 12.1 max, then a few days later it wasn't so good 13.8's so I turned boost down from 14psi to 8psi and afr's @ WOT were good again 12.2, again all ok for a few days then afr's bad so boost dropped to 4psi and afr's still bad :scratch: 13.8+ So I replaced innjectors, made sure adjustable reg set @3.2bar, made no difference, tried another FPR and still no difference. Car now hesitating and Afr's running really lean, in fact now it has got to the point that the car will idle ok but if I touch the accelerator and bring revs to say 1200rpm's it lean's right out and pretty much dies.:crap:
I have had the pump off and checked connection's, I have even removed the fuel filter just in case blocked and symptoms the same, I removed the pump and emptied it's content onto a clean white T shirt to see if any **** inside and nothing came out other than V power fuel.
SCHWARTZ
03-08-2011, 17:10
Not bragging but the 044 is still going hasnt gone far but seems like a good reliable bit of kit.
Not bragging but the 044 is still going hasnt gone far but seems like a good reliable bit of kit.
You barsteward rub it in :laugh:
I had a bit of a search to, it seems the evo lads and scooby tossers :D have both had problems, my walbro on the evo was a in tank jobbie so im may be slightly different to the inline i now have. Your right though James alot of disgruntled walbro customers.
They seem to make alot of noise when they are on the way out. I guess it is really when having a afr gauge becomes so important.
Hope you get somewhere with them :)
Im thinking of PMT for my conversion!! I was getting 15.1 AFR on full boost in the track clio running 15 psi with 249cc injectors, Now it has the standard clio 1.8 16v pump on it atm which i believe lives in the same place as a GTT on a earlier phase 1 clio,( I may be wrong) Now i also have the pump/sender unit out of the 1.8 phase 2 clio i destroyed at mallory which the pump lives in the sender in the tank! So i thought i would try and run them together and see what happens :sos: ???
Any thoughts people?? :D
Im thinking of PMT for my conversion!! I was getting 15.1 AFR on full boost in the track clio running 15 psi with 249cc injectors, Now it has the standard clio 1.8 16v pump on it atm which i believe lives in the same place as a GTT on a earlier phase 1 clio,( I may be wrong) Now i also have the pump/sender unit out of the 1.8 phase 2 clio i destroyed at mallory which the pump lives in the sender in the tank! So i thought i would try and run them together and see what happens :sos: ???
Any thoughts people?? :D
15.1 @ WOT is way to lean matey, you want to see 12.1 max really, Alot of the 1.7 turbo volvo conversion boys fit the mk1 golf gti pump which i think is ok for upto around 200bhp, you would be better of just buying a Bosch 044 and know you have the capability for decent fueling.
Doubt running the 2 pumps would make much difference as the 2nd pump is the same spec a the first now if your 2nd pump was a walbro or higher flow pump it will prob assist with getting fuel to the walbro acting as a lift pump to enable it to fuel for the WOT well mine did on the f7p turbo. Walbro was bad @ sucking but once the lift pump was fitted afr's @ WOT perfect:D
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