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Ok, some pics in profile
Car picked up and gone to Motoscope for a few bits and bats to get it back on the road in the first instance.
Hoping to do a fair bit myself this time around, but right now need it to have a good check over and a few bits doing in preparation of MOT and getting its MSA log book too
Needs brake servo and system sorting
General spanner check, noted a few bolts here and there missing
Exhaust re attaching
Just had plugs/oil/filters done
Navigator clocks need wiring up, plumbed in extinguisher renewing to AFFF, new harnesses, tank guard and sump guard re fitting and then hopefully good to go
Exterior unlikely to get much attention, though tempted to get spongebob on the roof just to finish it off, concentrating on mechanical reliability and getting ready for 1st rally experience in new year hopefully :)
Rob@Backyardracing
02-10-2009, 22:44
Nice one Blot..:agree:
Cheers Rob :)
Had a good natter with Pock today and got a plan together.
Mechanically, not too much to do.
Good news is agreed to run with no servo. Adding a hydraulic handbrake though (leaving the parking brake too)
Biggest pain is that cars going for a new MSA log book (not renewal) now have to have MSA approved seats and mounts, what a pain.
Biggest expense on the horizon is the race suits, helmets and tyres.
Plan is to enter the Xmas stages and Jack Frost rallies at Croft in the new year :scared:
Andrew Cooke
03-10-2009, 17:29
It'll be interesting to see how you get on sorting the pedal box to get rid of the servo, also what you think of the brakes unboosted :)
rs250nut
03-10-2009, 17:40
It'll be interesting to see how you get on sorting the pedal box to get rid of the servo, also what you think of the brakes unboosted :)
What sort of brake set-up do you have? Is it a twin clyinder jobbie with remote adjustment, whats it like on your right/left leg?
Andrew Cooke
03-10-2009, 17:46
What sort of brake set-up do you have? Is it a twin clyinder jobbie with remote adjustment, whats it like on your right/left leg?
standard :)
It'll be interesting to see how you get on sorting the pedal box to get rid of the servo, also what you think of the brakes unboosted :)
Indeed
Theory was that with the right choice of pads and on tarmac or gravel stages, no need for a servo as most likely to lock up with one. Will keep you posted on how this goes.
Meanwhile, think I'll start building my thigh/calf muscles up just in case!
Top of pedal box
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3578.jpg
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3578.jpg)
Andrew Cooke
03-10-2009, 18:14
I'm going to be nosey now :)
what did the pedal box start out as? What diameter master cylinders are you using?
I'm guessing that you might try smaller diameter cylinders without a servo?
I'm trying to remember, but I don't think I've ever driven a car with disk brakes and no servo.
I'm going to be nosey now :)
what did the pedal box start out as? What diameter master cylinders are you using?
I'm guessing that you might try smaller diameter cylinders without a servo?
I'm trying to remember, but I don't think I've ever driven a car with disk brakes and no servo.
At mo, can't tell you simply as I' don't know and car is away.
What I do know is that there is an original pedal box in the pile of spares in the garage. The current set up is all 'as inherited' and yet to be properly investigated by anyone.
Am away for next week and nowt happening to the car till following week anyway as they are stacked out at the mo. As soon as they get a look and I get chance, I'll let you know all details.
It'll be around for the RTOC rr session there, so if I do forget, hopefully someone on here will remember to check!
Like you, don't recall driving this set up ever, but am assured virtually all the rally cars they maintain don't use a servo.
Could this lead to another cooke weight saving??
Alastair
03-10-2009, 18:40
Cheers Rob :)
Had a good natter with Pock today and got a plan together.
Mechanically, not too much to do.
Good news is agreed to run with no servo. Adding a hydraulic handbrake though (leaving the parking brake too)
Biggest pain is that cars going for a new MSA log book (not renewal) now have to have MSA approved seats and mounts, what a pain.
Biggest expense on the horizon is the race suits, helmets and tyres.
Plan is to enter the Xmas stages and Jack Frost rallies at Croft in the new year :scared:
Im entering the Croft Xmas stages too :) Hope to see you there on the 28th. Do you know when they are opening the entry list for applications, ive emailed and had no reply yet?
I am also log booking my car in the very near future, if you get any good bits of advice / tips then please let me know!
Andrew Cooke
03-10-2009, 18:47
Could this lead to another cooke weight saving??
:D
it's obviously something I've thought about, but in the end decided there were better things to spend my time/money on. I think if there had been an off the shelf kit I'd have done it. For rallying there is a clear benefit in that you can use a hydraulic handbrake with the front/rear split.
Im entering the Croft Xmas stages too :) Hope to see you there on the 28th. Do you know when they are opening the entry list for applications, ive emailed and had no reply yet?
I am also log booking my car in the very near future, if you get any good bits of advice / tips then please let me know!
:cool:
Have texted mate who does the xmas and jack frost every year to find out.
Have you done any rallying before Alastair? Looking to break my duck. May as well pick one of the busier ones to run at the back.
Experience with the cup car was that getting the log book was far less hassle than getting past the picky scrutineers at some of the sprints (wrong type of petrol cap according to one of them :sad2:) . Seems things have tightened up somewhat in regs in the 2 years I've been away and are not exactly helping making it affordable for clubman entry into the sport.
Alastair
03-10-2009, 19:23
:D
it's obviously something I've thought about, but in the end decided there were better things to spend my time/money on. I think if there had been an off the shelf kit I'd have done it. For rallying there is a clear benefit in that you can use a hydraulic handbrake with the front/rear split.
I run a hyd handbrake without 2 master cylinders. I joined the two rear lines with a T, it then run through a bias Vv, through Hyd handbrake, and split to rear calipers through another T. Works fine for me, but i can see the advantages of 2 master cylinders. It was a pain to bleed the first time though :laugh:. Not sure how big your leg is going to have to be without the servo though:eek:.
Blot, the rally car looks ace, where did you unearth it from ?
I run a hyd handbrake without 2 master cylinders. I joined the two rear lines with a T, it then run through a bias Vv, through Hyd handbrake, and split to rear calipers through another T. Works fine for me, but i can see the advantages of 2 master cylinders. It was a pain to bleed the first time though :laugh:. Not sure how big your leg is going to have to be without the servo though:eek:.
Blot, the rally car looks ace, where did you unearth it from ?
Twas an absolute ebay fluke Alastair and a ridiculous bargain for once!
Forget left foot or right foot, I may be the 1st to introduce 2 footed braking:cartman:
I assume it your blue 5 project you are going to be using?
Just looking at http://www.rockinghamstages.co.uk/ thinking it might be a nice place to start before Croft if I manage to sort everything out in time :coffee:
Alastair
03-10-2009, 20:10
:cool:
Have texted mate who does the xmas and jack frost every year to find out.
Have you done any rallying before Alastair? Looking to break my duck. May as well pick one of the busier ones to run at the back.
Experience with the cup car was that getting the log book was far less hassle than getting past the picky scrutineers at some of the sprints (wrong type of petrol cap according to one of them :sad2:) . Seems things have tightened up somewhat in regs in the 2 years I've been away and are not exactly helping making it affordable for clubman entry into the sport.
Thanks, being down in Plymouth makes it difficult to pop to Northallerton high street to say hello and ask when the forms are available at a club meet.
I'm a novice too, and yes in the blue 5, but my brother is racing his Mk II Escort so ill be getting some help from him on the day. I doubt i'll set any records, likely to be at the back too but i am really looking forward to it.
I know what you mean about the regs, ive just purchased 2 new seats as mine were just out of date and have been studying the blue book... :agree:
your soon cracking on blot , glad you got another french rocket , will be good to see it when its finished ,i am sure it will be all sorted very soon :)
your soon cracking on blot , glad you got another french rocket , will be good to see it when its finished ,i am sure it will be all sorted very soon :)
:) aii cracking on, not much time to get it sorted and have a shakedown to allow for the inevitable disasters that will occur :cry:
:) aii cracking on, not much time to get it sorted and have a shakedown to allow for the inevitable disasters that will occur :cry:
dnt be so negitive i am sure it will be spot on ,:)
dnt be so negitive i am sure it will be spot on ,:)
Cup car- 1st track day ran perfectly- last lap of day- caught fire
Cup car- 1st track day after rebuild after fire- sighting lap- caught fire
T2 - 1st track day ran perfectly- day after- caught fire
New car- has hand held and plumbed in extinguishers- they will catch fire :cartman:
Law of averages says must be due one that behaves ......surely?!!
No law (except sods) when it comes to gtt's.
Motoscope have fire damage cover I take it? ;)
No law (except sods) when it comes to gtt's.
Motoscope have fire damage cover I take it? ;)
:laugh:
Andrew Cooke
05-10-2009, 13:09
I run a hyd handbrake without 2 master cylinders. I joined the two rear lines with a T, it then run through a bias Vv, through Hyd handbrake, and split to rear calipers through another T. Works fine for me, but i can see the advantages of 2 master cylinders. It was a pain to bleed the first time though :laugh:.
The problem with doing that is you join the split circuit into a single circuit, if you get a leak anywhere you'll lose all braking. If I did that, and a scruitineer spotted it I wouldn't get to run.
rs250nut
05-10-2009, 13:57
:D
it's obviously something I've thought about, but in the end decided there were better things to spend my time/money on. I think if there had been an off the shelf kit I'd have done it. For rallying there is a clear benefit in that you can use a hydraulic handbrake with the front/rear split.
Could you not use a floor mounted kit?
Alastair
05-10-2009, 14:25
The problem with doing that is you join the split circuit into a single circuit, if you get a leak anywhere you'll lose all braking. If I did that, and a scruitineer spotted it I wouldn't get to run.
Good point Andrew, however I thought that the two piston chamber design of the GTT bendix master cylinder allowes the rear two lines to be joined (so long as they are from the opposite outlets of the master cylinder, NOT opposite corners), so a leak will leave you with two independant front brakes?;) If not i may need another re-design before Croft?:( :eek::eek::eek:
Blot, any news from your friend about when entry opens for the Christmas Stages?
Nope, no text back yet Alastair, will let you know as soon as tho
Hadn't expected any work on the car but Bobby got some hours in on it yesterday
Pedal box now connected :) turns out it is from an Escort (which is handy for motoscope!)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/10102009185.jpg
The most important part now in place
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/10102009184.jpg
Brake bias adjuster moved
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/10102009183.jpg
Hydraulic Handbrake fixed up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/10102009182.jpg
MOT this week, ready for the RTOC RR day.
Ordered MSA reg Corbeau seats, 6 point harnesses, Got a good price for 2 x triple layer race suits, 2 sparco helmets plus intercom equipment.
Insurance to sort next, one chance to reap the advantages of being an old git :dearme:
Alastair- apparently entry forms don't normally come out till a month or so before, will keep any eye out in the local press. T'other place to check which tends to promote all the croft events is Ian Hardy's site www.ianhardy.net (http://www.ianhardy.net)
Andrew Cooke
10-10-2009, 13:19
why are you adjusting the brake bias by limiting the pressure in the rear line rather than at the pedal box?
It's the way the system was set up before Andy, they just moved it forwards as it was where the hydraulic handbrake now is. Whether it is any good...time will tell (or the 1st corner!)
Alastair
10-10-2009, 15:46
Alastair- apparently entry forms don't normally come out till a month or so before, will keep any eye out in the local press. T'other place to check which tends to promote all the croft events is Ian Hardy's site www.ianhardy.net (http://www.ianhardy.net)
Blot, many thanks.:agree: Your car looks like it i coming together nicely :).
Andrew Cooke
10-10-2009, 15:52
It's the way the system was set up before Andy, they just moved it forwards as it was where the hydraulic handbrake now is. Whether it is any good...time will tell (or the 1st corner!)
fair enough, not saying it's right or wrong, just not what I expected. :)
Woznaldo
11-10-2009, 01:27
I like this project and i'm especially interested to hear how you get on with the brakes. I'm hoping to do some sprints next year (time/work permitting) and the rules call for a split system where if you lose one half the other half must be on the same axle i.e. front/rear split.
Matt Cole
11-10-2009, 09:09
Nice one Blot. looking forward to seeing Tweety go deaf when on full chat!!!:D
Woznaldo- Hoping to fix up MSA log book scrutineering as soon as seats/harnesses are in, so will let you know of any issues that come up
Matt- Got no idea how it's going to run, it's allegedly got an uprated cam and various other bits, but as the guy who sold it to me said, there isn't any paperwork to back that up so am assuming its standard at best! Still think it will go KABOOM and shower everyone in yellow feathers....
not what I expected. :)
Which is probably what I'll be thinking first time I hit the brakes lol!:scared:
Insurance sorted today for tweetie
Fully comp for road use, sprints, hill climbs and single venue tarmac rallying. No limitations to mileage etc.
£180 :cool:
http://www.richardeggerinsurance.co.uk/
Mudslinger
15-10-2009, 17:57
jeez thats cheap £180 ????
ill need to be giving this place a call in the morning :)
are all mods declared ?
even the picture of daffy duck on the arse of the car is declared Mud:D
Think it was himself's missus I spoke with, so refreshing to speak with someone who knew what a turbo 2 was as well as a GTT!!
Andrew Cooke
15-10-2009, 18:10
I've been thinking about your brakes....
The way the pedal works is if one side loses pressure the linkage will neck out and allow you to keep braking on the remaining half.
The pressure regulator will lock off the rear brakes at a certain pressure.
To the pedal, the rear circuit will go solid when the regualtor kicks in and any further pressure will require the linkage to pivot, if it pivots far enough to neck out you won't be able to brake any harder. This will get worse if the front brakes get spongy...
Before you go anywhere have a good look at how much that linkage rocks without pressing the pedal, then get someone to press the pedal as hard as possible and check that it all looks sensible.
I hope this makes sense, shout if it doesn't.
Andy
Bet they've never heard of the 1.7L, twin-turbo, Raider model though :D ;)
Nice insurance quote. I'll be calling them come renewal time :)
I've been thinking about your brakes....
The way the pedal works is if one side loses pressure the linkage will neck out and allow you to keep braking on the remaining half.
The pressure regulator will lock off the rear brakes at a certain pressure.
To the pedal, the rear circuit will go solid when the regualtor kicks in and any further pressure will require the linkage to pivot, if it pivots far enough to neck out you won't be able to brake any harder. This will get worse if the front brakes get spongy...
Before you go anywhere have a good look at how much that linkage rocks without pressing the pedal, then get someone to press the pedal as hard as possible and check that it all looks sensible.
I hope this makes sense, shout if it doesn't.
Andy
:agree::goodpost:
Thanks Andy. Much Appreciated.
One for the RTOC crew to have a look at on Sunday at the RR perhaps :)
Bet they've never heard of the 1.7L, twin-turbo, Raider model though :D ;)
Nice insurance quote. I'll be calling them come renewal time :)
aii. probably go even cheaper if you mention your saga membership number...:mart: :D
Mart, you visiting Motorscope on Sunday? Fancy a convoy down with the lads?
I am mate, but I probably won't be there till late morning.
Saying that, if I am up the crack of dawn, what time & where are you guys meeting and I'll hook up with yous there.
Passed its MOT apparently, nipping in to pick up cert to get tweetie taxed :)
Billy bonus the new seats arrived today, still waiting for the harnesses though.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3615.jpg
and the braking system has one further addition (as spotted/suspected by Mr Cooke) for adjusting bias at the peddle box :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3614-1.jpg
Needed one new wheel bearing and an indicator bulb for its MOT
No need for a turbo restrictor as inlet is within regs size
Nearly ready for MSA log book
Pock hoping to give it a run on the rollers tomorrow. Expecting to see a burnt out shell on sunday morning :cry:
Picked up and home just about safely. Had a good play with the bias settings and got somewhere near to ok. Will be a challenge to ever lock up thats for sure.
Predicted smoke was rising from the bonnet once home...just some oil burning off the heat shield thankfully :scared:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3621.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3620.jpg
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Alastair
01-11-2009, 14:04
:eek:
No need for a turbo restrictor as inlet is within regs size
Nearly ready for MSA log book
Pock hoping to give it a run on the rollers tomorrow. Expecting to see a burnt out shell on sunday morning :cry:
Blot, you sure there is no need for a restrictor? I re-read the regs and thought we do? What section you looking at for the restrictor? I have had one machined up just in case, but obviously would rather not have to run it!:eek::eek::eek:
Gave motoscope the brief to get the car through msa log book and rally legal.
Feedback was no need for a restrictor. If any difference, will let you know Alastair.
Alastair
02-11-2009, 00:10
Ahhh have just twigged, if your running a t2 turbo the inlet to your compressor will be less than 34mm so no need for a restrictor...
stevedob1664
02-11-2009, 00:15
I got mine logbooked in aug and didnt have to fit a restrictor to get mine.
The popular Specsavers Christmas Stages Rally, originally scheduled for Monday 28th December 2009 at Croft Circuit in North Yorkshire, will now take place on Saturday 2nd January 2010 instead.
The organiser, Northallerton Automobile Club Ltd, was recently informed by Croft Circuit of the required change and following consultation with the committee, rather than cancel the event which attracts some of the leading competitors in the country, it was decided that both scrutineering and documentation, as well as the rally itself, will now take place just five days later than planned.
The change of date was due to the ramifications of the High Court Injunction served on Croft earlier this year, which now restricts the facility to a maximum of just forty days of ‘noisy’ track activities a year.
The necessity in having to alter the date from its popular Christmas Bank Holiday Monday slot, will be a major disappointment to thousands of fans who were expecting to attend but the event will return to the traditional date next year.
Clerk of the Course, Ian Jackson of Northallerton AC, said: “It’s unfortunate as well as disappointing and it has caused us a few headaches as all plans were in place for the 28th December what with officials booked, regulations printed and permits sought etc. However, with some hard work on our’s and Croft’s part, rather than just cancel the event, we can work round it this year and hopefully, still attract a good entry and decent crowd and get back to our normal date next year.”
Croft Circuit Manager, Tracey Morley, commented: “Despite alterations to the running order for the Rallycross event last weekend, unfortunately the last two noisy days of the restricted forty, as imposed by a High Court ruling earlier this year, have now been used up, which meant that the circuit was unable to hold this event before the New Year.”
Utter *******s
Can't do the 2 January. :crap:
Well **** me, got a break and can now make the 2nd
So hopefully 2 R5 GT Turbos doing the Xmas Stages rally :)
Alastair
21-11-2009, 11:45
Originally Posted by Alastair
I run a hyd handbrake without 2 master cylinders. I joined the two rear lines with a T, it then run through a bias Vv, through Hyd handbrake, and split to rear calipers through another T. Works fine for me, but i can see the advantages of 2 master cylinders. It was a pain to bleed the first time though :laugh:.
Originally Posted by Andrew Cooke
The problem with doing that is you join the split circuit into a single circuit, if you get a leak anywhere you'll lose all braking. If I did that, and a scruitineer spotted it I wouldn't get to run.
Good point Andrew, however I thought that the two piston chamber design of the GTT bendix master cylinder allowes the rear two lines to be joined (so long as they are from the opposite outlets of the master cylinder, NOT opposite corners), so a leak will leave you with two independant front brakes?;) If not i may need another re-design before Croft?:( :eek::eek::eek: quote
Done some more thinking about this as you had me concerned, this is what i have done, and from what i can see a split anywhere will still leave you with front or rear brakes... your thoughts are welcome:
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=356&pictureid=9298
http://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.php?albumid=356&pictureid=9297
Matt@CodeRedMotorsports
21-11-2009, 12:20
Exactly how I did mine....
FQ200turbo
21-11-2009, 21:09
cant you use just one hose from the master cylinder to the brake bias, and close the another hole of ther master cylinder ?
Entry accepted for the Jack Frost Rally at Croft on 17 Jan as well as Xmas Stages on 2 Jan
http://www.darlington-motor-club.org.uk/series_home.php?seriesid=21
Dipped hand in pocket to get some new discs and pads
Tyres next, can't decide whether to get michelin black ice under deep snow or arctic ice road trucker pattern?
Alastair
29-11-2009, 21:14
Soft R888 will do you mate...
Did you see the carnage a couple of years back on the 1st stage? :eek::cry:
Crampons and studs it is :laugh:
Andrew Cooke
01-12-2009, 17:56
big inflated cushion and a fan on the back then?
big inflated cushion and a fan on the back then?
and one for the car too :cartman:
dave-sbs
01-12-2009, 20:11
big inflated cushion ? is paul navigating blot :D
big inflated cushion ? is paul navigating blot :D
Our lass is.........
so you are now officially endangered since I passed on your description :laugh:
Fitted brembo discs and new pads today, finally got me hands dirty :eek:
Intercom sorted & helmets/racesuits
Car ready for log book fingers x'd
Alastair
06-12-2009, 18:27
Fitted brembo discs and new pads today, finally got me hands dirty :eek:
Intercom sorted & helmets/racesuits
Car ready for log book fingers x'd
Sounds good mate! What flavour intercom did you go for? Ive not bothered with an intercom yet, although it is on my list of things to do.
Have you fitted some extra spot lights too, the last couple of stages are in the dark...
There was a Terraphone system in so just bought the open face system for both helmets, seems to work fine :)
Need to spend some time fiddling with the brake bias settings, yesterday was less than ideal as bit greasy (though probably v croft like) and rears were locking up, nearly got it about right I think:scared:
No worries about not having a servo fitted now, does give more feel to braking :)
Not going to bother with added lights, tends to be just last stage in dusk/dark normally and having seen motorsport weekly pic of a navigator shining a high powered torch out of the window....I have a cunning plan :laugh:
Result on the log book situation, found the old one. Getting the log book checked tomorrow by xmas stages scrutineer but seems it is still valid
:cool:
Entry numbers and seeding sorted for the :ho: stages
Car 86 for Alastair
Car 88 for us, had asked for 95, dam!
http://www.northallerton-ac.co.uk/xmas/html/entries.html
Dunlop X22's due to be fitted on the day if the buggers at dunlop get making enough, otherwise it'll have to be X12's with a load of cuts to soften, unless it's doing what it is now in which case gravel tyres/snow chains/hovercraft on stand by.
In true value for money rallying, driving tweetie to (and hopefully from) Croft :)
Mate has invited us to share his service crew so it's 6R4, Evo, Exige and Tweetie in the service bay :cartman:
Went to watch tarmac rally at Melbourne last weekend.... 60 started.....34 finished....:sad2:
Can't wait :D:D:D
Need to replace the front bumper sometime, side skirt cracked.
Need to put an LSD on the shopping list too, are Gripper still the chosen ones for R5's?
A rare pic from Saturday of it not snowing and pointing in the right direction :cartman:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/spcomp/4240491570/in/set-72157623002806619/
Need to sort a few things pretty quick as out again at Croft for the Jack Frost stages on the 17th
Really hoping that it will be a tarmac rally this time around, snow is fun, 8 hours on ice is bloomin tiring
Duncan Grier
07-01-2010, 13:21
Intersting read, good stuff ;)
Had a very brief sit in Chris Randals lotus europa (basically an elise with vauxhall engine, almost identical to mine as im running the later astra vxr engine and 6 speed box) anyway he has removed the servo and changed the master cyl and feels good! The vx does not have a massive servo assitance anyway tbh but feels easy to modulate without the servo and he loves it in the cup GT series.
Look forward to seeing how you get on - good luck ;)
Looking forward to trying the brakes out properly on tarmac one day :)
Snow disappearing rapidly tonight, so may get chance at the Jack Frost rally on Sunday (at Croft again)
Car 70 this time, aiming for a finish again first and foremost to get a few more stage miles under our belts, anything in top 50 would be uber :agree:
Alastair
11-01-2010, 12:55
Looking forward to trying the brakes out properly on tarmac one day :)
Snow disappearing rapidly tonight, so may get chance at the Jack Frost rally on Sunday (at Croft again)
Car 70 this time, aiming for a finish again first and foremost to get a few more stage miles under our belts, anything in top 50 would be uber :agree:
Tony, glad to hear you are losing the snow up there i wouldnt fancy dancing on the ice again!
Good luck on Sunday mate, if you drive it like you stole it again youll be on for a good finish! Shame i can't make it - too far!
All ready and set for tomorrow, snow gone, bit of ice on the circuit in places & a ruddy great water splash apparently :sad2:
Few corners knocked off tweetie last time out have been smoothed/hacked off and wounds taped over with duct tape, mechanically no injuries to report
Spotlights now set up on switch on navigators panel, when switch is on they then come on when on full beam only
Live times during the day here: http://www.nersresults.co.uk/html/2010/jack_frost/
My money is on us killing the clutch and retiring by stage 4
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3735.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3731.jpg
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Woznaldo
16-01-2010, 21:28
This is awesome Blot! I'm so envious that you're out there doing it for real!!! Good luck and enjoy yourselves. Oh, try and give someone a camera for a few pics!:cool:
mr bean aka pete
16-01-2010, 22:34
i see what you mean about the damage to the front bumper after croft :crap:
Back early after a few adventures
Stage 1 gear box intermittently allowing 2nd gear, big spin coming out of tower ended up on remaining snow bank, something flew up into engine bay and knacked the manifold heatshield, result, much smoke in cockpit as heatshield burnt away on rest of stage
Stage 2 No 2nd gear and majority of stage needing 2nd :dearme: No gear selection at all by end of stage, clutch looking fooked as predicted
Stage 3 Miraculous repair to clutch cable alllows full stage with all gears, very slippy in places but enjoying plenty of front end grip and back end sliding
Stage 4 first lap, clutch cable snaps coming into hairpin, clipped the odd tyre, no gears and and knacked side skirt, home on a trailer
Higlhight? Being able to claim to have beaten Chris' 6R4 on Stage 1 :laugh:
Awesome drive of the day? Chris going from 77th after stage 1 to 3rd overall, winning one stage outright by 16 seconds:eek:
bit of thinking and work to be done, but all good fun :D
Shopping list for now/future
Whatever clutch we put in the cup car (can't remember right now but it was cock on)
LSD
Charge Cooler
Move cone filter forward
Better heatshield that doesn't fill car with smoke! + ? heat wrap on manifold
Bigger turbo - need to look at options
Gearbox- hmm what options out there?
Tyres/Wheels
Need one more set of wheels/tyres (wets)
Hoping to get car back up and running for easter monday sprint to use as a test day :)
Looking for some more rallies now, Promenade stages at New Brighton later in year come recommended, need to do a couple of airfiled ones me thinks.
Mrs Blot proving to be a great navigator, on a mission to make her sick at least once!
Alastair
18-01-2010, 01:16
Back early after a few adventures
Stage 1 gear box intermittently allowing 2nd gear, big spin coming out of tower ended up on remaining snow bank, something flew up into engine bay and knacked the manifold heatshield, result, much smoke in cockpit as heatshield burnt away on rest of stage
Stage 2 No 2nd gear and majority of stage needing 2nd :dearme: No gear selection at all by end of stage, clutch looking fooked as predicted
Stage 3 Miraculous repair to clutch cable alllows full stage with all gears, very slippy in places but enjoying plenty of front end grip and back end sliding
Stage 4 first lap, clutch cable snaps coming into hairpin, clipped the odd tyre, no gears and and knacked side skirt, home on a trailer
Higlhight? Being able to claim to have beaten Chris' 6R4 on Stage 1 :laugh:
Awesome drive of the day? Chris going from 77th after stage 1 to 3rd overall, winning one stage outright by 16 seconds:eek:
bit of thinking and work to be done, but all good fun :D
Shopping list for now/future
Whatever clutch we put in the cup car (can't remember right now but it was cock on)
LSD
Charge Cooler
Move cone filter forward
Better heatshield that doesn't fill car with smoke! + ? heat wrap on manifold
Bigger turbo - need to look at options
Gearbox- hmm what options out there?
Tyres/Wheels
Need one more set of wheels/tyres (wets)
Hoping to get car back up and running for easter monday sprint to use as a test day :)
Looking for some more rallies now, Promenade stages at New Brighton later in year come recommended, need to do a couple of airfiled ones me thinks.
Mrs Blot proving to be a great navigator, on a mission to make her sick at least once!
Glad you had a good time, shame you didnt finish though mate:agree:
Woznaldo
18-01-2010, 05:17
Gearbox options are going to be the sticky point. Not sure how much can be done for strength, other than shot peening or maybe give some cryogenic freeze action a go? Casing and gears?
Ratios are another question altogether! R11T has shorter ratios I think, as do, Williams and 172/182. Scoff has tried most options. What do your regulations allow?
Gearbox can be whatever we can afford woznaldo :scared:
Think we need to have a good look at set up too judging by this pic
http://www.ianhardy.net/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=102264
was great fun being able to slide round corners but rather time consuming ultimately. We were on road tyres at the time, most were onto slicks by then, which explains some of the lack of grip in the pic, but knew by then we were not likely to be competing the full day so thought we might as well save the good tyres for another day
More neg camber on fronts and raise back end a bit??
This was during a quick recovery after spin at complex when turning round
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/4284142064_e42f6e3157_b.jpg
Alastair
19-01-2010, 23:31
Blot, let me know if you find any good events coming up, there is one at Weston Super Mare fairly soon but that's a bit of a trek for you!
Blot, let me know if you find any good events coming up, there is one at Weston Super Mare fairly soon but that's a bit of a trek for you!
Will do, though I think we may be out of action for a couple of months whilst we decide what we are going to do to the car and then actually do it!
Rockingham stages in December do look rather interesting.....
Got some nice pics from www.ianhardy.net (http://www.ianhardy.net) today from the Jack Frost
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/jack_frost_stages_rally_1319-Edit.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/jack_frost_stages_rally_2762.jpg
Brief update, finally remembered it was a Helix uprated clutch we had in the cup car, not sure what we are going to do next with the car so just clutch done for now.
Taking a bit of tweaking as at mo it is on or off and nowt in between
Still looking at possible tarmac events, north west stages looked :cool: this weekend
Back on the road again, clutch proved to be challenging as cables didn't like matching up with a MkII pedal box and generally mullered themselves immediately.
So whilst we haven't got servo assistance on the brakes, we do now have a hydraulic clutch :laugh: courtesy of a few parts of a Gallant
Went for the Helix 4 pad Cerametalic Plate, which was the clutch that B-cup had, fan was also looking worse for wear so got a Spal 'suction' high performance one put in.
So all safety equipment now done, brakes done, clutch done, tyres purchased.
Step by step, coming on
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3868.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3869.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3870.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3871.jpg
Finally going rallying again :)
Friendly little event at Teesside Autodrome over May Bank Holiday, have a vision of blazing sunshine, bbq in the pits and a fun day, but then it's Middlesbrough so smog & acid rain probably more likely :crap:
Clutch is now spot on and brakes are really sharp since change to Ferodo DS3000 pads, still lacking any real grunt at all but shouldn't be the huge disadvantage it was at Croft at least
http://www.shawtrophy.co.uk/autodrome/
Cooling getting sorted, ta to Bill 'lol' H and Mart for supply and courier service of fmic :agree:
Before- During and After
Decided not to cut away any metal, instead mounted slightly lower and took angle grinder to the already modified (courtesy of a hay bale at Croft) front bumper instead
Before
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3891.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3894.jpg
During
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3895.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3896.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3897.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3901.jpg
After
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/blot/DSCF3899.jpg
Going to invest in a new cone filter, but already real noticeable difference in pick up and performance. Booked in for a set up session on the motoscope rollers next Saturday :)
Chris Hebden
09-04-2010, 13:38
Have you got any clearer pics of the boost hose run to the O/S of the intercooler? Car is looking good! Great work
:)
Just heading out for sea side & fish n chips, pipe run is pretty much as per the Forge instruction manual I think Chris, will have a look tomorrow to see if any different
Alastair
09-04-2010, 13:50
Blot,
Sounds good but i cant see pictures in the live thread from where I am, and very slow web. I am looking into the New Brighton Stages but i might not make in back in time, I land around that time.:cry:.
If anyone knows of any Stage Rallies (Tarmac) in June or September could they please PM me! :agree: The list on the MSA website is always out of date!
On a positive note i'll see you for the Christmas Stages again this year though Tony!:agree: Keep us all posted on how you get on at the rollers.;)
Alastair
09-04-2010, 14:28
Tony,
Any of the below interest you? A bit of a trek, the Cirencester one looks good and the dates work for me too. Would be good to have someone other than my brother in the service area again!
http://www.teifistages.co.uk/ (http://www.teifistages.co.uk/)
http://www.cirencestercarclub.com/rally.shtm (http://www.cirencestercarclub.com/rally.shtm) :agree::agree::agree:
There is also a 100 mile stage event here:
http://www.scmc.co.uk/Team_Tempest/Tempest_home.htm (http://www.scmc.co.uk/Team_Tempest/Tempest_home.htm) - but very few details!
The new Bill J
09-04-2010, 16:01
:)
Just heading out for sea side & fish n chips, pipe run is pretty much as per the Forge instruction manual I think Chris, will have a look tomorrow to see if any different
The what? Forge instruction manual? :scared:
What you have there young man, is a one-off, special order i/c, with a rather well thought out, PMT Developments designed pipe run. Number 1#1 :cool:
It's good to see it got to you safely mate, and it's good to see it back on a car again :agree:
Sorry meant to say Forged....:scared:
Tony,
Any of the below interest you? A bit of a trek, the Cirencester one looks good and the dates work for me too. Would be good to have someone other than my brother in the service area again!
http://www.teifistages.co.uk/ (http://www.teifistages.co.uk/)
http://www.cirencestercarclub.com/rally.shtm (http://www.cirencestercarclub.com/rally.shtm) :agree::agree::agree:
There is also a 100 mile stage event here:
http://www.scmc.co.uk/Team_Tempest/Tempest_home.htm (http://www.scmc.co.uk/Team_Tempest/Tempest_home.htm) - but very few details!
Not sure my suspension would survive broken concrete & water splashes :crap:
Will keep looking for summat smooth and in sept :)
This is kept up to date Alastair
http://www.ianhardy.net/british_rally_calendar.php
another possible tarmac event in Sept?
http://www.eromc.co.uk/adrianbarker.htm
I'm in awe of this project I'd love to do rallying in mine but they won't let me :cry:..but I'm working on it..
This is one great project and it really goes to show how reliable an r5 gtt can be.. good work :agree:
So where is your next rally?
I'm in awe of this project I'd love to do rallying in mine but they won't let me :cry:..but I'm working on it..
This is one great project and it really goes to show how reliable an r5 gtt can be.. good work :agree:
So where is your next rally?
Do it :) fantastic buzz, if one thing I've learnt though, its set a budget and stick to it, t'other was from the cup car days, concentrate on max cooling. Didn't have a single retirement from any sprints or hillclimbs with the cup car & am trying to build this up in similar way.
May bank holiday is next trip out at Teesside Autodrome, hoping for a dry day to finally use the dunlop X22's in anger :):)
What you have there young man, is a one-off, special order i/c, with a rather well thought out, PMT Developments designed pipe run. Number 1#1
7 years on and still going strong :agree: :)
Alastair
10-04-2010, 08:04
Do it :) fantastic buzz, if one thing I've learnt though, its set a budget and stick to it, t'other was from the cup car days, concentrate on max cooling. Didn't have a single retirement from any sprints or hillclimbs with the cup car & am trying to build this up in similar way.
May bank holiday is next trip out at Teesside Autodrome, hoping for a dry day to finally use the dunlop X22's in anger :):)
:agree:
Awesome Buzz, can't recommend it highly enough, take a trackday and x10. Although it is getting to be prohibitively expensive, lets hope they dont insist on Hans devices next year...:cry:
Learnt a few things at the roller session today, front left caliper was sticking on intermitently & what looked like a rather old and manky cone filter is in fact working perfectly well. Boost hoses developd a habit of popping off occasionally but fettled that easy enough, wiring to starter motor is being a pain, connection has come loose and needs generally tidying up. Have ditched the dump valve for now.
One of the main points picked up on goes back to the MKII pedal box and the accelerator, which had basically bodged so that when foot flat to the floor it was only opening the throttle probably 75%. Need to do some work on that and check to see if the spare calipers I've got work.
fmic fitting has given us an extra 13bhp atw at present, so progress but more work to do
Teesside here we come (May 3)
Enjoying (?) a monday off, so far removed nsf caliper and replaced with the spare that was in the garage, which is also fecking well seized (argh!)
On the plus front after spending ages pratting about with the starter motor wiring, spotted the tiniest nick out of one of the 2 wires midaway between the 2 terminals I was convinced was causing the problem, so billy bonus simple fix sorted for that one, just wish I'd thought of checking the most obvious simple thing first, ho hum!
3rd time lucky, at least I can now change a caliper in 10 mins instead of a day now :cartman:
Can't decide now what to do about transport. Don't really want a trailer sitting around, A frame would be okay until we ever go down the route of a diff (not forgotten Andrew!) so thinking towing dolly might be the ideal compromise :scared:
Alastair
22-04-2010, 20:26
Awesome news mate, have you sorted the throttle cable issue too? What safety gear did you have to sort out? Good luck with the event on 3rd may, i hope the weather holds for you!
Utter Utter Utter Cock :(
Arrived to heavy showers to a tight a twisty circuit. Perfect for fwd :)
Got through scrutineering but do have to box off the fluid reservoirs for the brake and clutch fluid as been mentioned twice now.
On to the stages:
Stage 1 was blooming cold, raining at the start and sat on tarmac cut slicks. Encountered a spinning Civic on turn 4 and on second circuit suffered from a lack of gears on 2 corners and power loss coming out of a long left hander. Despite this managed =8th and a class stage best time, just 4 & 1 seconds off the 2 Evo 6's running so pretty chuffed
Stage 2 was run immediately afterwards and we sat in the queue in absolute pissing rain, so survival was the key, still managed a half decent run till having to stop dead for a spinning Escort and then complete power loss again coming out of a long left hander (is this likely to be fuel pump related?????). Gear/clutch gremlins also struck with clutch failing to engage. Slower by 2 seconds but still in touch in class
Stage 3 No great drama, circuit still very damp and some really tight hairpins, plenty of handbrake turns which went well, other than having gear selection problems exiting, definitely gremlins in the system. 2nd in class but picking up speed in the technical parts of the circuit and once again passing spinning competitors.
Stage 4 Set off well, turn 1 good, turn 2 nailed it into turn 3 and......nothing, no gears, clutch disengaged. Game over.
Managed eventually to get car into a gear to drive out of the stage, but found fluid pissing out of the slave cylinder. Couldn't find a fix for it, retired.
Soooooo pissed off as we were on for a good event. Was just perfect set up for tweetie.
Coming home, tyre blew on towing dolly, 3 miles down road the spare tyre blew as well. nightmare. 3 hours to go 30 miles. :cry:
Fed up with clutch issue now. How much hassle would it be to find and fit a GT Turbo pedal box and have a good old standard clutch cable???
:(
jesus in the seat of a 5
03-05-2010, 21:12
sorry to hear of your troubles tony...:(, on the plus side minus the clutch issuses , it sounds like tweetie is getting just where ya need it regards the set up etc , glad your getting good times etc despite rubbish weather!!!!:D, keep up the good work buddy , as it is allready im sure it will pay off...:)
Cheers Matthew :) Beginning to feel like I need some devine intervention to get Tweetie right :cry:
Ol' B-cup was so reliable, this one just seems to be a real test of patience at the mo. Yesterday was just so right in track/weather & grip, was a great chance to show what we can do, so on a big downer at mo :(
At least Ian Hardy caught a few good pics of us, even with dry tarmac slicks, we managed to go for it :)
http://www.ianhardy.net/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=104618
http://www.ianhardy.net/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=104614
http://www.ianhardy.net/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=104596
Harrrummmph. Stooopid cars :crap:
I think the slave cylinder sounds quite a straight forward fix at least you've identified the problem.. maybe it had too much travel and blew the seals? mine only just has enough.. I think if you rebuilt it and bleed a little off you should get it right
You seem to have some excellent grip.. lifting your rear tyre it the wet!!
I'm sure you'll sort it mate!! and the end of the day your rallying :eek::D:agree: look forward to your next report..
I think the slave cylinder sounds quite a straight forward fix at least you've identified the problem.. maybe it had too much travel and blew the seals? mine only just has enough.. I think if you rebuilt it and bleed a little off you should get it right
You seem to have some excellent grip.. lifting your rear tyre it the wet!!
I'm sure you'll sort it mate!! and the end of the day your rallying :eek::D:agree: look forward to your next report..
:) Think you are right about too much travel Andrew, ties in with the solution taken to at least get us out of the stage (smacked the slave arm with the jack handle till it pushed in far enough to let us move)
and yup, grip was fab, even on the dry's. The Escorts & M3's were just sat spinning their wheels whilst we were able to take really tight lines with ease :)
Shame they only do one rally a year there.
Had a quick natter with Bob Pope (Bob hired b-cup at the thruxton celebration) whilst at Teesside, they are buying 2 KTM X bows for track days, should be fun round there :)
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