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willo3110
21-09-2009, 19:34
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any body know the law on a section 59 got one on friday while testing the five after head gasket failed after mallory wouldnt mind but only going 30 :scratch: got to be good for 12 months :cry:
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
any body know the law on a section 59 got one on friday while testing the five after head gasket failed after mallory wouldnt mind but only going 30 :scratch: got to be good for 12 months :cry:
an anti social 5... heard it all now
Why were you stopped ?
59 Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance
(1) Where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which—
(a) contravenes section 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and
(b) is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public,
he shall have the powers set out in subsection (3).
(2) A constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).
(3) Those powers are—
(a) power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;
(b) power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;
(c) power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;
(d) power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to (c).
(4) A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers conferred on him by this section unless—
(a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and
(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the the warning.
(5) Subsection (4) does not require a warning to be given by a constable on any occasion on which he would otherwise have the power to seize a motor vehicle under this section if—
(a) the circumstances make it impracticable for him to give the warning;
(b) the constable has already on that occasion given a warning under that subsection in respect of any use of that motor vehicle or of another motor vehicle by that person or any other person;
(c) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that such a warning has been given on that occasion otherwise than by him; or
(d) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the person whose use of that motor vehicle on that occasion would justify the seizure is a person to whom a warning under that subsection has been given (whether or not by that constable or in respect the same vehicle or the same or a similar use) on a previous occasion in the previous twelve months.
(6) A person who fails to comply with an order under subsection (3)(a) is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
(7) Subsection (3)(c) does not authorise entry into a private dwelling house.
(8) The powers conferred on a constable by this section shall be exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 60 are in force.
(9) In this section—
“driving” has the same meaning as in the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52);
“motor vehicle” means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and
“private dwelling house” does not include any garage or other structure occupied with the dwelling house, or any land appurtenant to the dwelling house.
60 Retention etc. of vehicles seized under section 59(1) The Secretary of State may by regulations make provision as to—
(a) the removal and retention of motor vehicles seized under section 59; and
(b) the release or disposal of such motor vehicles.
(2) Regulations under subsection (1) may, in particular, make provision—
(a) for the giving of notice of the seizure of a motor vehicle under section 59 to a person who is the owner of that vehicle or who, in accordance with the regulations, appears to be its owner;
(b) for the procedure by which a person who claims to be the owner of a motor vehicle seized under section 59 may seek to have it released;
(c) for requiring the payment of fees, charges or costs in relation to the removal and retention of such a motor vehicle and to any application for its release;
(d) as to the circumstances in which a motor vehicle seized under section 59 may be disposed of;
(e) as to the destination—
(i) of any fees or charges payable in accordance with the regulations; and
(ii) of the proceeds (if any) arising from the disposal of a motor vehicle seized under section 59;
(f) for the delivery to a local authority, in circumstances prescribed by or determined in accordance with the regulations, of any motor vehicle seized under section 59.
(3) Regulations under subsection (1) must provide that a person who would otherwise be liable to pay any fee or charge under the regulations shall not be liable to pay it if—
(a) the use by reference to which the motor vehicle in question was seized was not a use by him; and
(b) he did not know of the use of the vehicle in the manner which led to its seizure, had not consented to its use in that manner and could not, by the taking of reasonable steps, have prevented its use in that manner.
(4) In this section—
“local authority”—
(a)in relation to England, means the council of a county, metropolitan district or London borough, the Common Council of the City of London or Transport for London; and
(b)in relation to Wales, means the council of a county or county borough;
willo3110
21-09-2009, 19:51
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he said i was going to fast round a corner
hes ticked driving with out reasonable consideration for others
The Legislation:
Section 59 Police Reform Act 2002 states that -
Where an officer has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used in a manner which contravenes Road Traffic Act Section 3 (Careless Driving) OR Section 34 (Driving elsewhere than on a road) AND also the manner of use of the vehicle is causing or has been causing or is likely to cause, alarm distress or annoyance to members of the public, Section 59 can be used to:-
initially give a written warning (valid for twelve months)
(commonly called a Section 59 Notice)
and on a subsequent occasion to seize the vehicle.
(it will probably end up in the crusher, or may be ransomed back to the owner)
A constable in uniform has the power to order the person driving to stop the vehicle, to seize and remove the vehicle, to enter any premises on which the officer has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be and to use reasonable force. Seizure can made only if a warning has been given, or believed to have been given, or if a warning is clearly being ignored.
So, usually it's a two-stage process - a warning or notice first, seizure if you persist or repeat.
willo3110
21-09-2009, 20:00
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wouldnt mind if was driving daft was just warming it up to get the oil out of the water system
New poster! (less than 10 posts)
wouldnt mind if was driving daft was just warming it up to get the oil out of the water system
Prob the policeman in question didnt like green 5's etc etc
willo3110
21-09-2009, 20:24
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he was in a nackered 02 astra and his name is christien :jerkoff:
i believe its simply a 12 month caution, if caught twice the car gets impounded.. £120 fee for release and £12 a day storage.. although when i got a section 59 i was told (if you get caught again the car will be crushed)
markey b
22-09-2009, 00:15
i got one in my orange 5 last september, for popping a flame in a 'public area' which was totally my fault and deliberate... i'd just fixed it after it going bang at the july 08 rtoc pod day and was excited to have it back after 3 months :sad2:
1st one is a warning, second one is instant confiscation and you have to pay to get it back.. its meant to be more of a nuicance and deterrant more than anything, imagine getting your car towed away and the hassle of getting it back
Penfold aka The Dealer
22-09-2009, 06:45
I wouldnt worry, they have the right to crush you car, but only after its been taken away and and put in storage for X amount of days unless you pay the release fee.
I got a section 59 back in 2002, only stay's on your record for a year. :)
TNT Tricky Nicky
22-09-2009, 11:50
i got one for accelerating too quickly!
i got one for accelerating too quickly!
Me too buddy.
I wonder if there is a top ten list of cars stopped for this :coffee:
markey b
22-09-2009, 14:36
judging by this thread, renault 5 gt turbo is probably on there somewhere :p
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