Backyard Racing Boosted Civic

Ok here is the new backyard racing project a Honda Civic esi. We are building this car between us all over the winter as a drag car ready for next spring having all chipped cash in to a pot for the build. The car didnt cost a great deal and is rough in places but is perfect for what we want with the correct Z6 D16 engine and gearbox and the right ecu for the hondata.

The car:

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wow, huge cavity that screams 'put turbo here'.

I really should have a closer look at my mums civic, it looks like that, and I know it's a 1.6, but that's been the limit of my interest. She must have had it 10 years :D

about time :cool: will ant's pile of bits be used or is he still building his own ?

Sorry about the large pics, my photobucket pain in arse...

Anyway, yes ants bits are going on. Still got a far amount of bits to buy yet but with the car between 3 of us it works out great. Well after a night of thrashing the N/A lump around and plenty of booze today we made a start.

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Arrrrrrrrrr oh and its going to be a turbo

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:smokin: loads of room for big fun...

Now the engine starts to come out.........

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We then ditch all the PAS crap etc...

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And now the fun part starts................:p

nice to see something different :agree:

can i ask what made you choose the d16 over the b16 lump? im assuming the cost?

am i right in thinking the d16 is non vtec.?

would keep a keen eye on this project as i may be doing the same but with a civic b16a vti. :agree:

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Originally Posted by raj

am i right in thinking the d16 is non vtec.?

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that first picture is worth 1000 words Raj.

What's the blower?

raj we went for the d16 as its alot cheaper than the B, may not be as good but still a good motor to start with...

The turbo is t3/t4 same as scoffs i think? kung fuiiiiiii of course ;)

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Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing

raj we went for the d16 as its alot cheaper than the B, may not be as good but still a good motor to start with...

The turbo is t3/t4 same as scoffs i think? kung fuiiiiiii of course ;)

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I thought all you ricers ran T3/T67s :laugh:

Few more pics here: Suz G16 pistons as found in the 1.6 suzuki vatra 16v which will be fitted, 0.5 oversize so need block work yet also we need to do a few block mods for the rods which are yet to arrive as these will catch the block with them being thicker. The pistons also sit lower in the block so drops the cr for us. Longer rods are available to bring this back but we going for the std length and staying safe for now.

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Also few bits below ready for the build..

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As you can see we are starting basic with the basic cast mani. Seems tho that a few guys in states still make decent power with these. We will also be leaving the cam and inlet mani as std. We just want to get the thing running and to cross line at pod before we start to go to town with the thing..

the d16 engine is productive too (lots of people seem to ignore it in favour of the b series motors) here is a link to the current record holder with the d16 motor, this is an older vid, he has since gone 9.11@158, this is with 1 cam and no NOS. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YccjIP9Qlsc

now were never going to get near him, however there are others using very similar setups to us (suzuki virara pistons/same turbo etc), running 10.3@139 which is impressive given the budget nature of the car and parts used, and is road legal to boot :)

can i ask what the parts have cost so far.?

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Originally Posted by raj

can i ask what the parts have cost so far.?

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Car plus all parts to date is a grand spent...

suzuki varta? virara? you mean vitara right:confused: :D lol

they seem quiet impressive - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HZdGcg...eature=related

and 400bhp :eek:

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Originally Posted by raj

suzuki varta? virara? you mean vitara right:confused: :D lol

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Thats the badger :D

i like this very much

Backyard stylz :smokin:

This is very interesting...........keep the updates flowing.....:burnrubber:

if you thought R5's were fast for no money, these things win hands down, why more people in the UK don't tune them I don't know. watch this space people, this will shift :D

its got me wanting to do one now:)

that and the fact my bro thinks his vti is the best car in the world:rolleyes: he dropping a k20 engine. so maybe ill do something with his b16a?? but as mentioned..costs are an issue. good performance on a budget is what i like:)

rob, can you let us know where your sourcing all your bits from.? :)

it seems a pretty easy conversion,

the only thing that'll have me thinking is as youve mentioned about the rods catching he block! will this be something you'll do yourself or get a engineer shop to machine the block so the rods clear it?
im assuming the block wll have to sent to a machine shop to be bored for the pistons to fit?

really interested in this mate. keep the detailed pics coming :agree:

seems so cheap for big power, theres plenty of civics with that engine going round for peanuts, hmmmm sounds like fun. yeah defo keep the updates flowing

one of my friends is currently doing the same conversion, although in a del sol, Hes tried to do it on the real cheap though, and is struggling, hes looking for a decent place to get it mapped i believe at the moment,, not sure if he was looking at the hondata route or megasquirt., ah well best of look, i dont have much of a clue with jap.

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its got me wanting to do one now:)

that and the fact my bro thinks his vti is the best car in the world:rolleyes: he dropping a k20 engine. so maybe ill do something with his b16a?? but as mentioned..costs are an issue. good performance on a budget is what i like:)

rob, can you let us know where your sourcing all your bits from.? :)

it seems a pretty easy conversion,

the only thing that'll have me thinking is as youve mentioned about the rods catching he block! will this be something you'll do yourself or get a engineer shop to machine the block so the rods clear it?
im assuming the block wll have to sent to a machine shop to be bored for the pistons to fit?

really interested in this mate. keep the detailed pics coming :agree:

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Most of the parts are from states, id have to search for which company is what to where the parts came from, you can buy kits but they are crap and would fall to bits. The block will be bored by an engineer the rest by us. The conversion part is rather easy i guess but setting up is where things may get harder.

Good darts chaps :agree:

Subscribed :)

raj (or anyone else wanting info) best checking the site www.turbod16.com
thats the owners club, only turbo d16 motors on there and lots of knowledgeable people, and build threads to noisy at, there very similar to this club in that they like trap speeds etc rather than silly dyno quotes, not a bad site.

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Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing

raj (or anyone else wanting info) best checking the site www.turbod16.com
thats the owners club, only turbo d16 motors on there and lots of knowledgeable people, and build threads to noisy at, there very similar to this club in that they like trap speeds etc rather than silly dyno quotes, not a bad site.

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nice one for that link :agree:

im goin to hold back untill youve finished yours so i can get a full idea on the actual cost to do the conversion:).

i want one, NOW lol

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Glad too see you have got it off the ground should be screamer! I have been doing a lot of digging since speaking to you and Dean at the last event! I Think these will catch on big style once one or two people have had a play! Turbod16 seems to be a good site already had a butchers at that! Also like the way you have gone for the cast manifold, the tubular ebay specials dont seem to be very highly thought of!! What do they go like in N/A form? :smokin:

in n/a form imo there slowwww. they seem flat throughout the rev range

Ron, in N/A form its about a match to a clio 16v or felt that at time. Some of the tubular manis are copys and crap so the cast seems a good base to start.

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Well i will be watching this thread! Does this mean the end of the clio?

Nice one Rob & the rest of the Backyardigans, will keep an eye on this, i'm thinking of a new project of some sorts myself...... I miss my GTT

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Well i will be watching this thread! Does this mean the end of the clio?

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I dont know at this moment... would like to efi and go from there...... if cash was in front off me tho things soon change....:)

Right chaps small update with few boring pics too. We stripped engine down last week and all looks well with no nasty marks

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So now all the parts are cleaned up we ready for the next step which is to work out what sort of piston to wall clearance we should run before we ship it over to a machine shop also hoping the bores are cast and not steel, plated with nickel, as i have a feeling that may cost to get a re coat. With the Vitara pistons being NA with a less tapper compared to a turbo (correct me if im wrong) im kinda thinking to keep the ring gaps on the larger size to future proof the engine for big power, heat expansions.. better lose than tight...also need to decided which way to fit the piston arrows as the honda rotates anti-clockwise and the Suz clock. But P2V contact isnt an issue anyway with it going lowcomp so just go with pin offset if any.. Need to do some measuring over next few days..

November 8TH update..

Ok more work done today just with cleaning and stripping down the suspension/ brakes. Firstly took the car for a good steam clean down at deans work then made a start on stripping calipers and cleaning/freeing up. We are also overhauling both the drive shafts so they were stripped down and we going to fit new ball joints and bearings. All a bit boring now and waiting for parts which should be here next week.:)

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November 19th

At last the rods have arrived and the ARP2000 bolts :) so notching the block is next on the cards, been holding us back with engine work till they arrived. Over the last week we fitted the new brakes, fitted the new bearings and ball joints and also lowered the car on the front, yet to sort the rear out. Also the drive shafts are now complete and ready to be re-fitted course once the engine is back in.:agree: pic of the a rod below...

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they look good, are they prooven to be good? fjr spec, ive not heard of them before.

ace man, ull have to put up a list of where you sourced all your bits so us lamos who want to do the same can find it all lol

Old Vs New

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my my, what an impressive rod you have, so thick and.....errrr strong...:cooter:

looking good mate another nice project. will be good to see this at pod :D

[quote=Andrew Cooke;16090]that first picture is worth 1000 words Raj.


pmsl.




Nice work m8 should be a good en! Let us know how you get on with the hondata I may have another job for you if you want when your done with yours????

Right chaps update... The new clutch arrived last week from states and the engine is allmost fully built back up, also we have all the oil lines needed now for the conversion and just needs a full trial fit. Had the block machined for the over size pistons and went for a P2W clearance of 3.5 thou in the end which should be good for what level of power we want. We then had to notch the block for the rods and the pistons aswell. All seems well tho so far and hoping to get the engine fitted next weekend and fired up over xmas hols. We going to run it NA as it came and run the engine in before swapping manifold etc and management (yet to buy).... :)

Will update soon with pics...

looking forward to pod next year :smokin:

Few pics of where we at and also the clutch and the pistons new height in bore..........

More pics to be found here also

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Is that a 3071 blower?

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Is that a 3071 blower?

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without water? Mart, you're losing it:mart:

Its the cheapo T04E.... :)

The webbed markings on the compressor housing threw me :D

Good progress today, it runs (only NA tho) :agree:..... all sounds spot on so happy with the build so far.. Clutch feels rather brutal but should be ok, we even fitted are new wheels and sorted our ride height out :D. Will get pics up soon......

chop chop :laugh:

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chop chop :laugh:

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lol, it must be the slowest thing in world at mo tho with 7.0:1 or there abouts compression and no boost.:ashamed:

Slight update. Havent done much recently and the cars been running now for a couple weeks and all going well which is good so today we decided to mock the cooler up and decide what to do about pipe runs so we can order more parts this next week to complete this area of the build. For this we stole the cooler from my clio which is the THS004. You may notice that now the turbo is facing the other way round, we did this as we feel the pipe work will be better and the downpipe a cleaner run. We going to run the car with open downpipe we not to fussed about an exhaust.. (yet)

Ok ignor links above plz.... just view pics here...

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Ps them alloys are for sale, we now have std steelies with hud caps :cool:

Also you can see are cheapo height adjustable springs which seem to be ok and pretty stiff....

got any further on this mate?:)

thought id bring this btt as i dont want the ph1 stealing the show.

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got any further on this mate?:)

thought id bring this btt as i dont want the ph1 stealing the show.

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Not a great deal since xmas, we have welded up some rot spots thats about it.. Its all running N/A and engines fine.. We have had a few issues with ordering parts and shipping costs from US but we back on the case to get these parts over to us.. Need to yet get the hondata installed and get some injectors, same again we a bit here and there what to use but prob go for the RC750cc.. I have a feeling the cars first outing will end up being RTOC day at pod... :coffee:

rob did I tell you I found a place that do siemens 865cc injectors for £215 ? low impedance though, I don't know what your ECU can handle.

and also, you have a standalone ecu sat in your garage, what the hell you doing with hondata ? :D

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rob did I tell you I found a place that do siemens 865cc injectors for £215 ? low impedance though, I don't know what your ECU can handle.

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Yep seen them mate... they are in mind but have use packs on them, not a big deal tho... We found some RC1000s for 100 odd quid...

As for ecu feckkkkkkkkkkkkk shut up :wasntme: dont let them know ive got that dame thing sat here, i strictly keep my R5 parts away from the rice cake.. Anyway the hondata we can exchange maps ;) with fello D16 owners over in states.... :D

rob, remember id like to know all thats required to do this engine conversion when you completed it,also where all parts where sourced from and costs. :)

Yep ill try to remember raj, its like a credit crunch build, most things are of ebay... Im sure if it works well we could build and supply kits with maps.....:p

Then once the Ds done move to the k...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g6S8WOq_ouw

904 whp :smokin: fwd must be insane....

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Yep ill try to remember raj, its like a credit crunch build, most things are of ebay... Im sure if it works well we could build and supply kits with maps.....:p

Then once the Ds done move to the k...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g6S8WOq_ouw

904 whp :smokin: fwd must be insane....

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sounds good:agree:

k-series. my bros a honda nut.has a vti b16, hes always ranting on about the k20 and k22? engines and how much potential they have. im thinking there abit more money involved when it comes to these though!!

Yep cost a far bit more... but good lumps....:agree:

I must be due an update and pics soon..... :)

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I must be due an update and pics soon..... :)

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you are, get on it:agree: :D

Ive been holding back raj, we made a downpipe up and cooler up from odd pipes etc and sorted some adaptors for oil feed, and a fuel pump thats about it, cars sat ready to go, just awaiting injectors and ecu. lack of funds are stopping us but end of month parts should be on there way... we going for the 750cc RC injectors anyway.. Its about half days work on car and we on road mapping...:agree:

Few pics here, we changed the design on downpipe to go under the car rather than N/S wing so flipped turbo round. This also helps out our boost run and screamer and also oil feeds to route alot better.... Will update once we mapping, cars running with turbo but not on hondata as of yet...


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Looking very nice :smokin:

Thats looking good mate, be interesting to see how it performs now.

It should have its first outing at RTOC pod day.. I think we will be happy if it crossed line with some reliable results...

hands down to you lot ,get project looks well mate:)

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Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing

It should have its first outing at RTOC pod day.. I think we will be happy if it crossed line with some reliable results...

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:niceone: Looking forward to seeing that at the Pod day! ;) :D

in the current trim once mapped what do you think itll do?

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in the current trim once mapped what do you think itll do?

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Wottle it do Mr?! :D

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Originally Posted by Adey aka Ewok

in the current trim once mapped what do you think itll do?

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Im unsure mate, the turbo will hold us back firstly, its only a small 44trim, but i know it can trap at 120mph with that unit in place. The pistons+rods+ sleeves etc are good for big hp.... the head and cam will also hold us back but we are planning to change all these over the year if funds let us.... I think we would be very chuffed to trap over 110 on first outing.....:confused:

looking good rob :satan: im looking forward to the finished car:)

oye rob, dont be forgetting to let us know the pars and cost involved to do this conversion, id be very interested if it isnt going to break the bank:agree:

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Liking the build thread fella, if you need any support or help with this build go on here, top lads that help alot www.mcr-vtec.co.uk im a member on here too.

I just sold my Honda Integra Typr-R DC2 98spec in black

Top engines bullet proff;) keep up the good work.

Out boosting 5psi...

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very good, 5psi on standard management ? still on standard injectors ?

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very good, 5psi on standard management ? still on standard injectors ?

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Yep :(

How does it go at the moment then? ;)

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Wottle it do Mr?! :D

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how much boost mr??...:p


seriously though im liking that car,stealthy sleepery rocket...

:agree::guitarhero::devil:

im not into civics what so ever, but I'm loving this one!

looking good mate:agree: cant wait to hear what it sounds like when its had a new eng management etc :)

love that Q car look, very subtle :)

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love that Q car look, very subtle :)

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Subtle is the best!:agree::agree: Nice work Rob!!:D

Bin the wheel trims and can rims black, few turns on coils and looks miles better.. :agree: We going to leave full trim in the car so we can all pile in and drive 170miles to pod and back with drag wheels and 24pk in boot :smokin: the days of the A-frame are over for now..

I cant really tell how fast the car is as 5psi isnt much boost at all so doesnt really haul arse.. should be sorting the ecu out this week and get the 4 bar map sensor, 750s, and yet to make a sidy. running a std exhaust at mo:ashamed:

cheers for the comments guys...

Glad to see this progressing Rob, i think i'll be coming to pod day even if i have to drive my postman pat van :)

Be good to catch up on some of the builds, really wish i hadn't sold up but needed the cash for the work van etc.. :(

Well CPL said the ECU will be back with us tomorrow along with the 750s so late night mapping this weekend and getting use to the new software.... Timing it nicely for our first outing... :agree: see how our build will cope with over 20psi to get the ball rolling.. :)

I'll bet you're rubbing your thighs with excitement:laugh:

Do you have some sort of cold air box for the inlet? That dump tube looks awful close to the inlet.

Its like xmas, :p

Are yes that waste pipe has been changed, cut and re welded, not on them pics so points away and to floor.. we do need a cold feed really as we have a gay £5 mushroom at mo just to get us going with no tangles in turbo.. we have the idea tho of using a second hand headlight and make a duct from this if you get me... unsure tho for road testing yet?

Balls just thought need to make a cocking sidy...:crap: mmmmmmm open downpipe bit to loud for the road... cock new summet was missing.... :(

liking that alot mate, some very neat work going on there and finished to a high standard, looks good...

I'm doing the same kinda thing but in a mk2 clio with a volvo lump, totaly standard 5 door 1.4, gonna keep it stock on out side appart from lowering it, and run some serious horse power under the hood..

Street sleeper style :cooter:

always one more job :)

you don't need a massive intake, 4"dia is probably fine for 1000hp, as long as the inlet is in clean air you won't gain by having anything bigger then the pipe behind it (plus a radius). An F1 intake is sized perfectly for the engine behind it.

Ye wont be a big silly intake, the idea was to take the glass out a light unit and bulb holder and run a duct pipe from this to turbo with no filter.. :confused:

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Ye wont be a big silly intake, the idea was to take the glass out a light unit and bulb holder and run a duct pipe from this to turbo with no filter.. :confused:

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Personally I'd try and run a filter

oh yeah, taking the headlight out might cost you more in drag than you gain in power

Midnight Mapping Part1

Well up and running on the hondata and mapped to 10psi tonight :), it feels pretty good, better than i thought, skipping and bouncing for grip in 2nd.. Hard to compare to a GT, seems like a GT at 18psi maybe? Still got the standard exhaust on yet really need to sort this out aswell...

The software seems friendly to use but yet to sort out the data logging etc but for first outing im pleased... Going to be some late nights coming up... :D

few pics of the ramdom crap we got other day.... £900 worth aswell :cry:

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hey all, its ant hacking robs account :)

heres a little movie i made purely cos i have nothing better to do!

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u have far to much time on your hands , :)

Looks really good mate, my mate had a well tuned b16a vtec in a crx, my god for a n/a car it went like stink, just had a v tec timer, exhaust, filter but great power.
so with a turbo like yours must be a real flyer, great work and finished to a good standard.. :agree:

Ant you never :wasntme:

Now mapping open DP, sod it........:smokin: :devil: sounds nice on boost.. the whole 27psi:eek: and gaining...:scared:

UPDATE

Ok we pretty much ready for Pod rtoc day now. Had a few issues with wrongly sent wastegate springs the other week but we sorted now and back to safe boost levels for the time being. We have managed to map the car up to 22psi and feels good, we keeping revs a tad low so limit is at 7.5k for now and also a tiny bit rich at the top to be safe. We may make a few adjustments on day..... Be good to see what this runs :)

Results from first outing.

Firstly im Chuffed to bits with the car, we coved 34 runs in total over the two days with no fails...:) apart from the kung fui turbo..:D

Ok started of with 12.2@116mph for our first run of the day. Managed to improve down to a 11.2@124mph on that day mapping each run.. :agree:

Day two, started the day of alot more agressive with some great 2nd gear burnouts with a good result of pulling a few 1.6 60fts with a 1.68 being the best from the line with stock chasis and suspension...( Top work deano for his first run on big tyres :agree:).... We improved our map slightly more and our best on the day was 11.2@126mph with a 1.7 60ft with the carry pulling 100mph now at the 1/8... we carred on with slightly more turning and smelt a 10second with a cross of 11.16 ET but the good dame boost hose blow and rolled over at 114mph :cry:...

The turbo is pretty much dead... but we have some ideas now in pipe line, also i think our days of mappng on the road are short as the car is :( So more results to come soon........

Thanks to everyone to organise the weekend :agree: Top day....

Thats awesome mate, really impressive times and speeds there. Shame that boost hose popped off, looks like that may of dipped into the 10's if held up.

Thats some good work lads, well done :agree:

it was an eye opener for me guys....what a great car! especially for the outlay!:agree:

great work hands down to you lot for the effort glad it all worked out ,this is just the begining as well happy days:)

:niceone: top work lads........

Saw the other latest shape civic this morning with the wing exit exhaust - All show no go........from what I saw it couldn't get near your times

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:niceone: top work lads........

Saw the other latest shape civic this morning with the wing exit exhaust - All show no go........from what I saw it couldn't get near your times

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Lol cheers lads....

That was CPL racing with that civic, thats got the record for the FWD, also holds the record for fastest europe time without pizza cutters (wheeli bars) i think????. he was testing a new box out so taking it easier but on a second run his head gasket failed due to head lift he says...

for me, the car of day, run after run that little just didnt stop :agree:

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for me, the car of day, run after run that little just didnt stop :agree:

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I second that spooky a soldier of a car:eek:

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for me, the car of day, run after run that little just didnt stop :agree:

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Japs the way forward young man ;)

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Japs the way forward young man ;)

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I'm starting to think so :scared:

soldier indeed, thats probably the thing that impressed us the most, we did 37 runs in the car over the 2 days, and on 1 run we ran out of fuel and went really lean (we datalog each run) and still the motor held up fine,and with the amount of timing we were running, i couldnt believe we didnt damage it when i looked over the log. gearbox and shafts also really strong, full throttle shifts and 1.6 60ft`s didnt phase it 1 bit, no funny noises, nothing :)

you'll be amazed at what you can get away with on that c/r rob. well done lads :)

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the car in front is a......?

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Lol cheers lads....

That was CPL racing with that civic, thats got the record for the FWD, also holds the record for fastest europe time without pizza cutters (wheeli bars) i think????. he was testing a new box out so taking it easier but on a second run his head gasket failed due to head lift he says...

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I saw that car run yesterday, the K20 lump i'm guessing. It did 136mph across the line from what I remember.

Was chatting to the guys on the TDI stand at the autosport show about the CPL and TDI north Honda's and they were talking about 2.4l, 800+bhp and wheelspin halfway down the strip. I'm not that up on the later K engines but what I have seen (a worked head) was pure sex.

I should also add well done, proper quick, regardless of the outlay:cool:

are there any video clip available of the civic d16t going up the track etc..?

rob, you need to sort me out with a list of parts and all to do this conversion:agree:

lots of vids raj, just editing, be online soon.

you not make the pod day then?

So how many people have been checking out civic prices LOL

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So how many people have been checking out civic prices LOL

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Must admit it's tempting isn't it !!

Well done Rob & the rest of the backyard lads, thats going to be some build once set up & complete with new turbo.

Ive been watching civic prices for a long time, ever since a friend took me out in his tuned B16 i believe, it just kept going, no matter how much hammer it took. Well done, enjoyed seeing the civic runs.

tis an awesome car, and almost 10 sec quarters for ver little outlay compared to some of the other cars that play in the drag game and spend alot more and dnt get close

Well done backyard lads!
This hong kong fui turbo that died,it an ebay special..... its just that the turbo kit ive got waiting to go on my e34 bmw has a turbo of unknown brand, an oil cooled thing, with internal wastegate.. this thing going to die rather quickly then?

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lots of vids raj, just editing, be online soon.

you not make the pod day then?

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chop chop with the vids then:burnrubber:

unfortunately i can never attend events as i work 7days a week:cry:

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Ive been watching civic prices for a long time, ever since a friend took me out in his tuned B16 i believe, it just kept going, no matter how much hammer it took. Well done, enjoyed seeing the civic runs.

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i hate to say it as my bro is really smarmy when it comes to hondas:mad: but i think he has a point! he has a b16 vti and it goes like a rocket, the fact that the car has never had any fault during the 3yrs hes had it beyond me as he absolutely gives the engine a raping!!

he's going to be doing something big with it pretty soon, possibly a k20 turbo. he thought about a 3.5L v6 (honda legend)Turbo conversion but i swayed him off that as i convinced him it would be sh1te around a track and general ragging around.


im more interested in the d16'T after seeing robs efforts and i can only assume its alot cheaper than the route my bro is going to be taking. :agree:

well here you go another atempt at editing, enjoy :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoUDU...e=channel_page


oh, make sure volume is highhhh :D

AWESOME, i need one in my life. how far can you take the stock rods say if you just went with vitara pistons?

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AWESOME, i need one in my life. how far can you take the stock rods say if you just went with vitara pistons?

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:rolleyes: Don't short change another car's reliability & spend the day fixing it rather than punting it down the track! (Nurburgring 200SX & Pod 2009 R5GTT)

As far as i know Rob & the rest of the guys at BYR put this civic together on a budget even approved by the Endor elders!! ;)

If you're gonna do it E to the wok do it right first time matey! ;)

the stock rods are rather thin, and there are lots of people snapped them, so unlike old wives tales about "blah blah rods only good for xxxhp bull" these rods do actually snap, hence we fitted forged ones to start with, would mind to much killing a rod, but if you then have to skip the block, head, turbo, pistons, its just not worth messing about. the forged rods are $289 = £176. per set. cheap enough for you ;)

whats the plan once you have extracted as much as you can afford from it? :smokin:

Awesome power for the ££ :smokin: Won't be long until it cracks a ten.

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the stock rods are rather thin, and there are lots of people snapped them, so unlike old wives tales about "blah blah rods only good for xxxhp bull" these rods do actually snap, hence we fitted forged ones to start with, would mind to much killing a rod, but if you then have to skip the block, head, turbo, pistons, its just not worth messing about. the forged rods are $289 = £176. per set. cheap enough for you ;)

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sounds uber cheap to me :agree:

someone rate my movie :cry::cry:

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only joking, i think its awsum... so much so ile sign up to you tube later just to rate it :)

hong kong fui turbo...... ebay?

JUNE 12TH...

The New turbo is now here.....:scared: :)

Should start making some progress this next week as we have had a break from the car since pod. We going to run the car on a dyno as it stands now before we get stuck in fitting the new unit and also swapping a few small things then get back out and re map.. :agree:

ight mate Anil here jesus's bro, i own a civic also, nice car mate bledy fast :)

JUNE 16TH

Firstly a HUGE THANKS to Eddie at F1 in Bolton for giving us free and unlimited dyno time to help us build our project....... :agree::agree:

Well we just had a few hours play on the dyno with the car, map and setup as it ran at pod also we wanted to try some things out aswell.. We took the car so we can see what torq the car has and where peak power is etc just to give us an idea rather than fact base numbers before we get stuck in on the turbo swap.. Will try get graphs later... peak power was around 6100 and peak power 439bhp fly... Been good as tonight we worked out a few small issues we had..

Also another thanks to Eddie for spending is own time to show us around his gear to use and also showing great interest in our car..... Top guy...:D.

Rob you lucky little boy :P

Good initial results - going to be an animal!

Think even with my uprated clutch and track tyres it will be close next time :D I have sorted my overboost issue which was holding 3psi back at times. Will be happy to get into the 10's even if its 10.9999999999999999 track / fast road car so will never really push to hard (pax seat, stereo out :D:D:D lol)

Hope to see you beating me again next year ;)

DG

boost was 26psi btw.

Hope to see you beating me again next year ;)

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so do we :cooter:

:eek: 439bhp is by no means shameful :agree: thats a bloody good figure considering what output the original engine produced lol.

im still really considering doing this conversion..but would like to know the cost of all conversion parts etc :)

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so do we :cooter:[/quote]

Don't make me check my tyre pressures :P (old joke for people who know me)

Well back to 23.8psi boost and track tyres do grip well once hot (not an issue on RTOC event) so really hope to give you boys something to work for :D

If all else fails I will challenge you to a cornering contest :D:D:D lol

Keep up the good work, can see a lot more to come from the civic :cool:

wait till you see the graph, its more of a spike than a graph lol, its pretty poor.

we made peak hp at 6100-6300, and by 7500 we was down to 300hp!

we was changing gear at pod at 8k :laugh: prob making 250hp by then lol.

so we would of gone a lot quicker by simply changing sooner, as we was only crossing the line at 7100ish where we still had "reasonable" power. but spent way too long in the lower gears well out of peak hp.

Update 12th July

Ok so last week we final managed to get the car out with the new turbo and mapped just in time for pod this weekend. We started the weekend with a 117mph trap and finished in style :eek:!!! our first fail after 63 runs at the pod.. Either the head gasket has gone or head lifted or worst case cracked sleeve, will strip down this week to see. Our final traps of the weekend was 132mph close to 133 i think.. our 330s are down by .1 as expected due to turbo, We did manage our best 60ft of 1.66 which was is good to see and gives us good hope with the unit we have once we dail in LC.

Our BEST ET was set today 10.95 @ 130mph but only with a 1.75 60ft and 4.808 330ft but we cracked the 10s finaly only just tho :)

Also i took my GT down today and was in the show and shine. Its the cars first big trip and i loved every minute of driving it :smokin:...

Good to meet some new peeps and all the FWD HKS lot.. had a really good chat with these lot as we will be seeing alot more of them in time to come as some of you on here may know our future with this car...

Well done guy's massive achievement for such a short period of racing the car :smokin:

Really hope it isn't, but they do crack liners almost as often as R5's do! Nice engines but fragile blocks.
I know it's old hat but I remember the trouble people had getting road cars into the tens back in the day (80's?) Twin Turbo V8's not making it! Nic Mann's Minor being a very notable exception. How times have changed, a hatchback with an ebay blower cracking it... Great stuff, well done. Until you've been in a car like that you just don't realise how quick it is.

d16 civic running a 10.9 quarter mile at 131 mph at retro car
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhifdy6_4dy.

Cheers Ted :agree:

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d16 civic running a 10.9 quarter mile at 131 mph at retro car
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhifdy6_4dy.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHlFdY6_4dY

nice 1 lads hats off to you all ,great project:)

Skills..............................:smokin:

holy ****, d16 just ran 8.94@165mph!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/W...OHC_697552.htm

now thats moving :)

makes our effort look a tad lame :laugh:

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holy ****, d16 just ran 8.94@165mph!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/W...OHC_697552.htm

now thats moving :)

makes our effort look a tad lame :laugh:

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wowzers:eek: impressive!

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holy ****, d16 just ran 8.94@165mph!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/W...OHC_697552.htm

now thats moving :)

makes our effort look a tad lame :laugh:

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i didn't want to say anything :D

yeah yeah :)

hes using a tubular front end, and methanol though, not really our class tbh.

however funnily enough, the street-class record also fell this weekend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0u93xZXuUw

now this car is street legal, stock chassis etc, normal fuel, B series, not a D, but
very impressive, 1.52 60ft, 170mph best trap. that the fastest fwd car EVER without a tube chassis or wheelie bars. (i.e street car)

Congrats on the time chaps, i've been watching this thread form the start, most impressive :cool:

Love the looks of some of these Hondas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7sWiP3G_w

List of the Worlds Fastest SOHC d16`s

Well thought id copy this over from another forum im on for you guys to check out..

Drag Cars
1. Hondasarethebest - 8.94@165 mph
2. Maxwell Honda - 9.11@158 mph
3. Rota - 9.85@145 mph
4. La Karina - 9.96@145 mph (98'in P.R.)
5. El Terrorista - 9.99@145 mph
6. Rage Crx - 10.23@143 mph (99')
7. ZEX Man - 10.3@148 mph

Street Cars
1. Humble - 10.39@143 mph
2. JFK78 - 10.48@138 mph (on Vitara's)
3. Dr. D Series - 10.54@131 mph (on Vitara's)
4. P-PO- TECH - 10.61@138 mph
5. Kryptonix - 10.76@127 mph
6. Falo Tech - 10.8@135 mph
7. Newt Dog - 10.92@136 mph
8. BackYardRacing - 10.95@130 mph
9. Chiovnidca - 11.0@137 mph
10. Pinks-Tony1 - 11.2@130 mph
11. SOHCboost - 11.2@126 mph
12. SVP11secsohc - 11.2@125 mph
13. El Spool - 11.2@125 mph
14. PSI2HI - 11.24@133 mph
15. Turbodcx - 11.3@139 mph
16. Jarvis199 - 11.33@133 mph
17. FrankBuilt - 11.40@123 mph
18. fast2camciv - 11.43@127 mph
19. DirtyDseriesWOOT - 11.4@127 mph
20. Garage 808 - 11.54 @ 118 mph
21. sohc_vtec 2NR - 11.61@122 mph
22. Civic Tsi - 11.68@117 mph
23. turboeg77 - 11.77@115 mph
24. mike93eh2 - 11.78@124 mph
25. wilham320 - 11.8@119 mph
26. dustinz_eghatch - 11.98@117 mph
27. Meshick - 11.9@116 mph
28. alexsracing - 12.0@117 mph
29. SO.GA_SI - 12.10@117 mph
30. nerdsports - 12.17@110 mph
31. turboeg77 - 12.2@111 mph
32. AJxr - 12.27@110 mph
33. hitatree.at125mph - 12.3@116 mph
34. Kelly. - 12.3@113 mph
35. GO-Autoworks - 12.31@112 mph
36. redzcstandardhatch - 12.44@116 mph
37. gitwidit - 12.44@114 mph
38. fjt - 12.44@111 mph
39. yellowturbo - 12.4@111 mph
40. TallKyle - 12.57@114 mph
41. wilham320 - 12.5@111 mph
42. 91integraLSVTEC - 12.5@110 mph
43. TinyTitan - 12.7@109 mph
44. hondacivic946 - 12.90@107 mph
45. phresh_5 - 12.93@104 mph
46. 98H22 - 13.01@122 mph
47. mEr - 13.0@105 mph
48. CRXdan - 13.17@113 mph
49. platinum00 - 13.1@111 mph
50. turb20_vtec - 13.36@105 mph
51. hitatree.at125mph - 13.39@110 mph
52. importcars - 13.7@106 mph
53. AbitAvenger - 13.7@105 mph
54. JDMCRX - 13.9@107 mph
55. SovXietday - 14.1@102 mph
56. wfocrx - 14.3@104 mph

cripes, some real tuggers there:D

:eek::eek::eek: That's brilliant that you guys are 8th I you've probably spent the least amount on that list!! :niceone:

i reckon top 3 isnt a bad target!

brilliant stuff rob :agree:

great stuff!


but me being a nosey git- what does ' on vitaras' mean?

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but me being a nosey git- what does ' on vitaras' mean?

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https://www.rtoc.org/boards/showpost....97&postcount=9

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great stuff!


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vitaras, custom pistons, very expensive, very exclusive. I'll sort you a set out for a never to be repeated £850 (keep it to yourself)

i knew about the use of the vitara pistons, i wondered whether it related to any other cross over parts. esp as backyard hadnt put it on the end of their entry on that list.

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:eek::eek::eek: That's brilliant that you guys are 8th I you've probably spent the least amount on that list!! :niceone:

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i still want to know what this least amount has totalled to so far.?

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about 25% less than if you did it now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXJtnqXubK0

You can buy the parts but you cant buy the Tune ;) :p

Just read this through again Rob, missed alot of he new stuff with things going on at my end... :eek: Awesome stuff from the backyard stables, 10's & you haven't even finished the project yet.. hope you can fix her up as I wouldn't mind seeing it in the flesh soon.. Must be a real animal to drive on boost!

Steve

cheers steve :)

well were rebuilding the motor over next 2 weeks or so, and changing couple of things, next event will be either jap show finale which is oct 4th, or sat night special oct 16th, we should go a bit quicker then ;)

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cheers steve :)

well were rebuilding the motor over next 2 weeks or so, and changing couple of things, next event will be either jap show finale which is oct 4th, or sat night special oct 16th, we should go a bit quicker then ;)

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Excellent stuff mate.

Update on listings, humble performance just ran 10.07@142mph :agree: stock sleeves from memory........

love the thread.

built 1 in a del sol last year.

arrow rods, vitara pistons,arp's, greedy e, manage, external waste gate ect ect still waitin to be mapped tho.

the sound great especialy when they start gateing.

did u have to notch the cradle too?

would seriously recomend sleeving the bores tho.

top work lads :agree::agree::agree:

we still not going for after-market sleeves, were rebuilding it as was, it was simply too much pcp that cracked our sleeve, due to too much ignition timing for the boost we were running (30psi!), it was simply making too much torque for the cyclinder, its the only way the motor would make any power due to it not carrying torque high up in the rev range (stock cam), the car was making somewhere in the region of 450lb ft when the sleeve failed, too much for the hp it made, but thats the stock cam for you.

sounds awsome

i think the americans are using a skunk 2 cam an springs

but bin a while since i even looked at a honda lol

Well thought id post up where we up to with the car and we havnt got very far. Infact we havnt touched it since the last event when we had a fail back in july. We did pull the head off right after the event to find that we did do a sleeve in which destroyed the head and piston and also the blades on our new (kung fui) GT35r.. We havnt stripped the car any further to see if we have damaged a rod.

So basicly we left the car as that but we was still pleased at what results we managed to pull so far with the stock cam and head and TB etc even tho we screwed the engine, we did know that we was pushing the map so much on the day, but if we didnt push it we wouldnt have seen a 10.... :)

In the meantime we have still been much involved on other forums and also with the HKS lot, and hopefully as some of you know we will be in next years HKS drap series and should be able to confirm after this years final once we have a meet with Rick C from pod about the weight discussion..

Now the little progress we have, we have a new car :D(not just an engine) all for £250, we havnt collected it yet but we hoping the shell is cleaner than our sliver one and also its white so maybe a better colour imo, we are going to weight our old car in to gain some cash back in the pot for other spares needed...

Few pics in here of the damage we did back in july:

http://s331.photobucket.com/albums/l...2008/?newest=1

Rob, thats awesome news...white is definetly the best colour :D :smokin: :agree:

On the other hand, what you guys have achieved is amazing, got a lot of time for you chaps and hope to see you kick some ass in next years events.

Keep it up :agree:

Cheers lad, be nice to see 140mph over line by next summer time maybe....:smokin: still to gain that extra 8mph isnt easy once you get up around that power level..

:agree:

You havnt modified the head or cam yet though, so I'd imagine there would be some gain there.

But like you said to me at Mallory, once you start spending money, where does it stop lol

Yeah we changing the cam now on this rebuild and we have a h22 TB to go on but thats it so far.. we going to leave the ports etc and stock manis for now...

Have you got any idea of hp with that combination ?

Also, is the gearbox still coping with all this stick ? :)

Im not sure of what HP tbh i guess around 450+, as for the box we ok with stock box aslong as we can keep the torque lower or at 350lb and we ok, much over 370 and we will start to break the tranny.. we are slightly over that at the mo with the old spec and map and turbo but we have a good idea of how we want it to be. We just need the cam so we can rev it some more and also stop peak power dropping of so soon as you know rev x torq = hp..9k rpm would be nice.. have to see yet.. our 60fts are going to get harder to achive in the future unless we start to go bigger on the drags but then we back to straining box and id like to keep the 23" for as long as we can before we go 24.5".. also if we go that big we will need to rev it or look into box ratio as we will be close to dropping of peak power over the trap.... i think we cross at 7k at mo in 4th, cant remember would have to look a logs to be exact.

UPDATE SEPT 19th

Collected our new ride the other night and it seems a steel for £250 :) runs brill, drives great.. had to fix a small coolant leak and exhaust leak today, also gave the old girl a wash ready for its MOT. :D

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/civic006.jpg

Finished stripping the the silver car this morning but didnt make it in time for the death row weight in so took a few pics of its new ride height instead :smokin:

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/civic002.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/civic003.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...t/civic004.jpg

Let the new build begin........ target 10.5@137mph at full outlaw weight... :)

Looks good Rob :agree:

18th November

Thought id post up a small update of what we have been doing.... :scratch: yes we just been scratching about really and havnt done much..:ashamed: The car still is stock and just rolls around as it is...

We have come to a decision to move away from the d16 engine sometime next year after spending some time looking at cams and what to do.. So looks like after some research and thinking we going to invest in a B16....

Why the b16 you say and not the b18??? Well simply its cheaper but also we want to drop to the lower stroke (lower than our D) and with the size of the bores of the B block we still could bore out to 1.7-1.8 if we feel like it intime.. With some decent internal work we should be capable to rev to 12,000 rpm with no big dramas and also with the wider ranges of boxs and ratios that fit the B it all helps us to build a faster drag car..

As for the first few rounds of 2010 we will be sticking with the D pretty much as it was this year but will be swaping over from pump gas to Q16 fuel to gain mapping experiance of a such fuel for when we make way for the B. The car wont break any records and will go slower with the extra weight which is going to be added to meet the Regs.

The car is also booked in with Hauser racing for a rull 9.99ET spec cage to be fitted. I was going to tackle this myself but i was worried about the cage not passing scrut etc and the chassis stamp so managed to sort a deal with Hauser racing :agree:

Finaly our new graphics for the car. Well we started a small competition on another forum to design a new logo graphic for our car for a small prize :) after some bad and good attempts by many peeeps we have set on this design and will be made up soon with matching shirts..:smokin:

Well thats us so far roll on 2010, the year of the 10s.......:D

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...08/newlogo.jpg

The Logo...... what you think?????

nice 1 mate , keep it up like all the hard work you guys are doing :) happy days

Looks awesome Rob :D

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I want one :(

Nice one Rob, I suppose the D16 cams are harder to come by for the power you want eh.... is the stroke on the B that much better then ?

cam, singular ;)

well theres a few options for the D16z6 motor r.e cam choice, some seem to give good results, but at the end of day, its still gonna struggle to go much over 140mph,
and will take loadsss of boost and timing to do it, which will mean high torque, and probably lots of breakages.

now the B16`s are 13mm shorter stroke, which is lot, the b16 is about the shortest stroke car engine around, the geomatry is closer to a bike engine really, which means more revs, less torque, more HP. which should mean less breakages for 1, and less traction problems to overcome which may mean we can stick with the small 23" tyre for longer. also with 2 cams we have more scope for adjustment with the motor (overlap etc), and the B16`s go as fast and faster than the D16`s at half the boost! its just a much more efficent motor, we always knew it was the better motor, but wanted to try the D for the cheapness, and love of the underdog :)
but if we want to be anywhere near winning the championship next year, we need to be aiming high, and quite simply i dont think the D has the potential to take the win, the B certainly has, though it still wont be a walk in the park chasing guy chamberlin`s 150mph type R :(

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cam, singular ;)

well theres a few options for the D16z6 motor r.e cam choice, some seem to give good results, but at the end of day, its still gonna struggle to go much over 140mph,
and will take loadsss of boost and timing to do it, which will mean high torque, and probably lots of breakages.

now the B16`s are 13mm shorter stroke, which is lot, the b16 is about the shortest stroke car engine around, the geomatry is closer to a bike engine really, which means more revs, less torque, more HP. which should mean less breakages for 1, and less traction problems to overcome which may mean we can stick with the small 23" tyre for longer. also with 2 cams we have more scope for adjustment with the motor (overlap etc), and the B16`s go as fast and faster than the D16`s at half the boost! its just a much more efficent motor, we always knew it was the better motor, but wanted to try the D for the cheapness, and love of the underdog :)
but if we want to be anywhere near winning the championship next year, we need to be aiming high, and quite simply i dont think the D has the potential to take the win, the B certainly has, though it still wont be a walk in the park chasing guy chamberlin`s 150mph type R :(

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These b16 series motors you talk of are they of all aluminium construction with liners or just an iron block? What about gearboxes? Are these strong in o.e spec

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yeah all alloy block, with pressed in liners/sleeves, not wet fit like a gtt.

gearboxes very very strong, same as the D series, few guys in the states over 160mph traps on stock gearbox! thats well north of 800hp!

Jan 8th 2010

So few peeps have asked how the car is doing.. Well i thought id take some pics tonight to show what stage we at. Our first event is mid march so i think its going to a busy couple of months to get this completed, its off for its cage next week and im unable to get down to collect the car till feb:crap:. We yet to refit all the interior, carpets, well front section, dash and get all the leccys back working to meet rules. Yet to build the topend of the engine, port mani for new TB, rebuild head etc. Our new cam ;) has only just been made for the D motor and sat somewhere in USA. I couldnt help but get a cam sorted even tho we plan to go B motor in time... Other jobs that will need doing is fitting and installing the engine, cooler, pipe run, fuel system, engine breather system yet to modifi (we even larger on P2W and gaps). Paint work, graphics, and full dyno sessions from scratch, ( Ive lost every single bit of data and pod runs etc due to laptop fail)..

I'm only asking this as i've only realised the potential myself recently. Have you looked into Holset turbo's?

What are the advantages? I've been seeing and hearing more and more about these. Holset have been around for ever!

They are cheaper, have been shown to work well with low displacement engines and apparently have advanced compressor wheel design.

I'd buy one purely because they are so cheap!

from memory they do more twin scroll and high pressure ratio stuff, no idea how you work out which one you want though.

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What are the advantages? I've been seeing and hearing more and more about these. Holset have been around for ever!

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I've been reading up alot about them the last few months, although there's so many different types you need to be careful which one you choose. The Skyline boys have been using them for a while now as they've latched onto the fact that HKS and GReddy have been doing them over on turbo kits for the last 10 years. £5k for an 800bhp+ turbo kit and a Holset will do it for a few hundred quid.

Most of the ones i've seen are twin scroll and the compressor wheels are massivley efficient at high boost levels, although if you're after power you'd want at least a 60mm inducer on the compressor wheel on a HX35 frame for anything around a 2.0l sized engine, there's also the older frame sizes H1C/H1E which is exactly the same as the HX35 but has a range of different sized compressor wheels, varying from a 54mm inducer and 58mm. People are rating the 60mm wheel at 600bhp. Obvisously now people have latched onto the idea it's not just a case of buying any old turbo and slapping it onto your car. You will need a custom manifold. Quite a few people have been using them on the SXOC and they're moaing that they're very laggy, although everyone of them is using a 4 into 1 manifold which is a total waste of time as they're not dividing the gas flow to pulse the turbine wheel.

I actually bought one myself as I was quite intrigued by them, although the exhaust housing i've got on mine was colossal. It probably wouldn't have worked on anything smaller than a 3.0l so I sourced a 12cm casing from the States which should arrive next week.

There's another problem with them, there's very little information about them, compressor maps ect. Holset themselves won't even comment on them because they're only in the market for deisel engines. They are genuinely not interested in the modified car market.

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Originally Posted by Adam L

I've been reading up alot about them the last few months, although there's so many different types you need to be careful which one you choose. The Skyline boys have been using them for a while now as they've latched onto the fact that HKS and GReddy have been doing them over on turbo kits for the last 10 years. £5k for an 800bhp+ turbo kit and a Holset will do it for a few hundred quid.

Most of the ones i've seen are twin scroll and the compressor wheels are massivley efficient at high boost levels, although if you're after power you'd want at least a 60mm inducer on the compressor wheel on a HX35 frame for anything around a 2.0l sized engine, there's also the older frame sizes H1C/H1E which is exactly the same as the HX35 but has a range of different sized compressor wheels, varying from a 54mm inducer and 58mm. People are rating the 60mm wheel at 600bhp. Obvisously now people have latched onto the idea it's not just a case of buying any old turbo and slapping it onto your car. You will need a custom manifold. Quite a few people have been using them on the SXOC and they're moaing that they're very laggy, although everyone of them is using a 4 into 1 manifold which is a total waste of time as they're not dividing the gas flow to pulse the turbine wheel.

I actually bought one myself as I was quite intrigued by them, although the exhaust housing i've got on mine was colossal. It probably wouldn't have worked on anything smaller than a 3.0l so I sourced a 12cm casing from the States which should arrive next week.

There's another problem with them, there's very little information about them, compressor maps ect. Holset themselves won't even comment on them because they're only in the market for deisel engines. They are genuinely not interested in the modified car market.

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roughly what I said :laugh:

Basically, but I took so long typing it out I didn't see what you wrote:D

And after a late night getting high doing the worse thing ever the car now looks like this with its new black bits, boot roof bonnet, turned out pretty good even tho it looks dodgy using half a gazebo to cover car and being to idle to remove underplate tape (the plate will cover it blahhhh :D)

The cars painted now, ready for some stickers which we will get on once back. Its of to Hauser racing for its roll cage tuesday... Once back time to build build build.... Looks like a taxi :laugh:...

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Small Update... rest of the car is coming on, engine still in bits awaiting cam being made.. 6 weeks to go...:)

Looking good...is it T45?

Love that rollcage Rob :cool: Hombrew and a mandrel bender? Fancy doing 1 in the Clio :D

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Love that rollcage Rob :cool: Hombrew and a mandrel bender? Fancy doing 1 in the Clio :D

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Lol, nearly... i was going to do my own but didnt want to get pulled by a scrutineer and his ultra sonic tester at events, couldnt make my mind up what to do, so i got Hauser Racing to sort it..:)

Jord CDS t45..

Update..

Well 4 weeks to go and things not the way i like. The cam im getting made up by comp isnt done, trouble with the core so am told.. so im playing it safe and just built the motor back up with stock cam, using 75mm ycp vitara pistons (unlike last build with 75.5+rebore) so will rattle like hell but should be fine, really need to sort a larger breather system out tho. Engines back in but not running, still a good amount of small jobs to do.. Need to get car to a weight bridge and poss add some weight too... im going to leave the car pretty much how it was last year for the first two rounds then do a swift head and cam swap + 24.5 tyres and use the rtoc day to map the car...

You will be able to view our points from rounds on here for the peeps interested..

http://www.japdragseries.co.uk/2010racers.php

getting there mate , soon be done for march :) great effort

Done......... :)

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Well sort of.. The finger came out this week and pretty much hammed the civic build to get the car ready for first event in two weeks.. I havnt given it a proper road test due to no tax or insurance anymore, just MOT.. Ive managed to get the car going on an old map, needed a few tweeks.. Going to write a good safe base one ready for first days testing at pod. Also i managed to tow the car to a weight bridge today and it comes in at 1000kg with me in it.. so we 39kg short so ill start to add ballast over the week where i can best.. Not to happy about the weight as i really thought it would be over or there about on limit, which means the old silver car was actualy lighter than i thought, so dont expect this car to be fast because it wont, specaily that i havnt tweeked the motor from the old one, and running a safer map plus the extra weight.. :( hay hoo..

Heres some pics, im yet to sort the graphics out, plus be nice to get some skinnys but the BYR account is empty :crap:.... Anyway roll on summer and boost.... :smokin:

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Sorry for my Pic heavy post.... :)

Good work lads, looking forward to seeing it go at the pod.

get your cage out for the lads..like the pmt door panel mod..:smokin:

good luck with the car,hope you rock out some super fast times!!!..:guitarhero:

Think it will be a good few months till we start to pick some decent times up again, failing that be next year now, least we got a good base sorted now to work from.... :)

well done to you all ,such great effort , i will show my support by coming to few meetings this season:)

Awesome work mate, cant wait to see it in action:smokin:

Hi Rob,

Did they let you have a weight break for running a tiny engine?

Are you getting excited for this weekend?

Tom

They have dropped the weight from 1089 -1039kg, so pleased they did move it a bit, but im currently adding around 50kg in weight to meet that.. :crap: Had the graphics on today, will sort a pic later... :) id like to see the field to be broken up with weight vs CC..

Ok, the car became fully road legal today, so we was able to do some testing tonight as i was worried about leaving the car till weekend and test at pod on the saturday (with poss rain). Only did around 10miles, all seems well, pulled a far bit of timing out and boost back down to 25psi, rev limit 7k wayyy to low with the 35r but wanted to keep it safe to at least run it in a little.. Its a little dirty here and there but we unable log AFR at the moment to sort it nicly.. heres a few pics of the stickers too...

whats car putting out cant go back and read the 200 odd posts!

Only ever had it on a dyno once, and picked the numbers 399Whp out of the hat :scared:, how true this is i dont know,but best trap speed (@ POD) todate is 132mph and thats the best reflection of a cars power. This was with the older shell and i guess a total weight with me in it was around 1000kg :coffee:

wow thats fast what was 1/4 mile time at terminal speed?

Fastests ET to date, 10.95@130mph

oh my god thats superbike teritory

Round 1

Well what a poor weekend but overall came away not to bad in the end. We planned to go for the weekend so am able to at least get some steady testing on saturday and some much needed data logs. I got up at 4am to make the gates for 8.30 and was just hoping the rain would have some breaks in the day as i really didnt want to go in to quilfying without testing, but wasnt to be... It rained off..:crap:

Sunday came, weather was good and was hoping to get 1 run in before quili but wasnt allowed, the car went fine through Scrutineer even with 50kg of gym weights bolted behind the front bumper, wheel archs, and footwell.. :)

So stright in to quili without testing great :crap:... First run wasnt to bad, had a miss fire, and was way to rich. ran 11.8@118mph..

Second run wasnt good, wastegate pipe came off (stupid me), hit boost cut, plus i got disqualified for being under weight by 2kg anyway, must remember to keep my fuel toped up :).

Third run i let the car roll to far in and then over the box with LC/anti lag bouncing away so gave me a red light and another disquali, :ashamed:. I just drove off tho as i was logging and wanted to make sure miss fire had gone, seemed ok.

First elimination was agaisnt Adam/TDI car, this run went ok, wasnt running the boost we wanted tho, ran 11.4@122 and took win. Result more points... Next race was agaist Rich FTO in a semi final so was in for some cash now :D.

But this wasnt going to happen, i discovered a fault which i new would come back to haunt us or caurse damage so i dropped out at that and gave him the by pass.

Hopefully get some jobs sorted for May and 2nd round. :agree:

Just like to say great effert from Ant and Dean that makes the BYR team....

Gutted you couldn't carry on but still its comin along nicely, what was the fault that stopped play?

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Gutted you couldn't carry on but still its comin along nicely, what was the fault that stopped play?

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I had to do a small repair/machine to the head a couple weeks ago on where the fire ring sits, new it wouldnt last long, ive been currently looking for a head since then, it was either a case of go or dont at time...:)

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I had to do a small repair/machine to the head a couple weeks ago on where the fire ring sits, new it wouldnt last long, ive been currently looking for a head since then, it was either a case of go or dont at time...:)

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Ah not good then, best you start trawling though the local scrappies then

Found this on you tube... my red light qualify run... so slow too :ashamed: mind you was only the 3rd time the car had been driven...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23hj9-ZU760

I now have got a new head, should have our cam for rtoc day by the sounds of things i hope.. :) just have see if we manage to make the next round yet.. :(

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Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing

Found this on you tube... my red light qualify run... so slow too :ashamed: mind you was only the 3rd time the car had been driven...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23hj9-ZU760

I now have got a new head, should have our cam for rtoc day by the sounds of things i hope.. :) just have see if we manage to make the next round yet.. :(

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Where has this cam come from rob? Is its ground to your spec?

Well i dont want to say much anymore :), not to be an arse or anything, just dont want to disclose details of the tune anymore due to some recent competition that will be against us soon in hks...

Someone else with a d16?

Yep... pm

Just noticed in ur profile, u have a 4 bar map sensor??? is that anywhere near possible?

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Originally Posted by Tony Walker

Just noticed in ur profile, u have a 4 bar map sensor??? is that anywhere near possible?

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Yes, we run over 2 bar boost so need the 4 bar map sensor. 1 neg, 3 pos.. :)

ah i c, should of realised that lol gettin late.

Well 3 weeks to go till PTM show (our 2nd round), made some small progress and got a new head that im yet to lap valves, pressure test etc this week at work. Also we finaly bit the bullet for a billet, the GT35 has seen better days, even made scoff spit is coffee out when i turned with the turbine wheel :scared: :laugh: one evening.. So time to move on to a proper built turbo than ebay cheapo ones so been on the blower this week to over the pond and ordered a new unit. Just hope it will turn up intime so i dont have to do a backyard racing Mod to our 35r...:crap:

Cheers to TD Autowerkes for sorting me out and slaping a discount on it for us, looking forward to seeing there car out later this year....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA2AVuyOaXw

I noticed you were running a roller core on the latest pictures... Have you melted the wheel?

oh, he melted sommat alright :laugh:

Has Rob got pictures?:D

I see it happen all the time on GReddy turbo's. It's commercial spec wheels, they can't cope with the heat. Although, i've got very little experience with ebay turbo's...

It's a simple reason why:D

Well, the turbo was going ok, i thought it was a roller bearing so ran a restictor, on our run that cracked a sleeve we spat half the sleeve out over the turbine wheel which damaged the blades.. i didnt bother to do much for the first round and just ran it... noticed we had more lag, 7.2k rpm was when we managed to reach full boost, anything before, fook all.. :laugh: i noticed the turbo started to get more play on the thrust, and the comp wheel just about to score, so i stripped it.. to find it wasnt a Roller bearing and the turbine wheel was really bad also... the whole thing was cock ****.. anyway was unsure what to do for this event if to get new or ebay or rebuild old unit. Couldnt find a match for the bearing as such (maybe you could), im very able to make a whole new bearing at work no probs at all, but im still stuck with a **** wheel.. just thought blow it... buy a new one that im able to run and (with few changes) on the B motor i plan to built later in year...:)

Adam if i get chance over weekend ill take some pics of whats left...

If you can, Rob, show me the bearing housing itself. It looks like a 6 bolt exhaust housing and the oil feed itself gives the impression it's a rollerbearing. I suppose you'll know if it's a journal core though.

If you've had engine parts go, that turbo is scrap, the comp side will be good though, i'd keep that. Unless the comp wheel has hit the comp housing.

... There may be a chance you could re-use the turbine side, but i'd have to see the turbine wheel and there may be some grinding involved:D...

There's more to consider but anything is possible.

Incase you didn't already know, rollerbearings come with the so called ''thrust'' movement from factory, so it's easy to check. The main reason they do is because they don't use a thrust bearing, they rely on the carttridge setup.

Have any of you lot looked at borg warner turbos, they seem to be priced well and are rebuild-able. What is this new turbo you have Rob Precision? I have been having a look at this

http://www.agpturbo.com/product.php?...cat=333&page=1

Maybe a bit big, im yet to see a map

Ok few pics for you Adam, not the best... feel free to laugh :D. really hope new unit will arrive for next event...:crap:

I'll be honest, that fooled me for a rollerbearing core. Stick the oil feed design next to a T series and that's pretty much the main difference, oil feed wise, on a roller core.

It's easy to see now that something has gone trough the turbine wheel, especially with the glazing on the ends of the fins (the wheel has hit the outer casing). You did a good job of destroying the thrust bearing too:D

With reference to the grinder before, I think that wheel is too far gone, it'd be far too laggy if you tried to bodge it

Impressive though, I must admit:D

Well if my new turbo doesnt arrive, ill bodge this back to together and run it, i dont have a choice, as long as lasts 3 runs it will do me.. ill need to re drill the oil holes tho i think on that thrust :laugh:....

I'd say you could try my turbo, but I don't know if i'll be using it soon. It's a tad on the large side and all I know is it'll flow 60lbs per min.

Not to mention it's bloody heavy, and a twin scroll.

what's the new turbo you've ordered?

Anoter quick question. What size compressor wheel were you using with that turbine wheel as the hot side look fairly small, GT/T28 sized infact.

62mm ind, 84 exd... .70 housing..

That's a big arse compressor wheel for the size of the turbine wheel. I'm a little suprised you didn't have surging issues.

even my compressor wheel isn't that big, i've only got a 78mm ex x 54mm in and that's ''apparently'' rated to 600bhp. My turbine wheel exducer is 60mm with a 69.5 inducer.

I'll be honest, the turbo cost me nothing and if I don't get what I want it'll get dumped for a 3076R twin scroll

Well today was like one of those Xmas days again :)...But looks like ill defo not have a cam for the rtoc event tho :crap: now considering to cancel it leave the car as it is and start to fund the B engine... For now tho the turbo can sit there, im drinking that can and going out on the slash :beer:

wot no ported shroud :rolleyes:

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lol, your familiar with the unit then.

billet compressor wheel though :)

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Originally Posted by Rob@Backyardracing

lol, your familiar with the unit then.

billet compressor wheel though :)

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nope, maybe I should have a read up. It just strikes me as the kind of thing that might surge :D

ohhh, billet compressor wheel, very flash:D

That looks like my 35r compressor - no shroud on that either. I do have a shrouded cover for it though, never bothered fitting it since it didn't seem to surge :)

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That looks like my 35r compressor - no shroud on that either. I do have a shrouded cover for it though, never bothered fitting it since it didn't seem to surge :)

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yep looks sim to our old one too, as for shroud find me a honda that needs it.. they seem work ok without surge...........:)

Just been out testing and some breif mapping... all seems well.. hope to have a good weekend and improve from the first round... :)

Must be well over due some updates... the only update i have from tonight is that a B18C4 now sits in Backyard Racings hands....:devil:

Uh oh, thats it, all enthusiasm for D16 will be dead then ? :cry: B18, does that mean I need to be scared ? :D

The D16 is currently being rebuilt and will see us to the then of the year.. Id like to aim high with the B , will have to see... The D is a brill motor and VERY cheap to do, prob the same price to tune as a C1J but with alot better results as you know. But with the weight class a B will suit us more, plus the gearboxs are better, loads of ratios to choise from etc etc and 11k rpm hhhhhmmmmmmmm... :)

B18 eh, should go proper well 700whp here we come. What are you chaps using for a turbo these days, precision 6262 billet ? Sorry:ashamed:

Ok so bit of an update to whats happened and where we at with this project..

Well going back to the second round of HKS, we fitted the new turbo in time and had some breif mapping before the event hoping to dail the rest of the car in down at Pod on the RWYB the saturday before the Main event, PTM show.. This didnt happen and it rained so we seemed to be in the same boat as the first round, Great!!! Long story short we made it to final via a default of TDI, but blow the gearbox on the start line so came away with second and some prize funds to help the build..

Now before the next round we had the RTOC test day, so the box was changed and the Hondata Boost controllor was bought which was really much needed. The car with anit lag and LC makes 15psi on the startline, then once moving (at our selected speed) we was running 32psi. The sudden torq was killing our box and also giving huge wheel spin in 1st and 2nd. We only running the MH 23"... Also before this event the cam finaly arrived after such a long time.. Yayyyyy..

So at Rtoc we spent most of the day/ morning trying to set the boost controller etc, which just didnt want to happen.. afternoon came round and the bleed valve came back out just so we can test the cam.. After a few runs we was back in the 10s (ok 10.9) but more importantly to me our traps where back up to 132mph.. this was huge to us as our car weights about 150kg more than what our silver car did last year.. We managed this with a good sum of less ign timing and also at stock cam timing.. we couldnt go any further as we now have maxed out (100% duty) the RC 750cc inj... so that was that back home we came...

So the next round for us was jap show. We wanted to make some more changes yet again and get better 60fts and 330s, so i sorted some 24.5" drags and also we shifted some weight around.. We managed to find a solid steel bar weighting 25kgs which was bolted to the front along with our 16kg bum bell weights allready sat there.. so this gave us 41kg of weight sat on the front cross member, dont forget we still have another 50kg in the foot well and under carpets.. plus we need to run a near full tank of fuel.. just to get us to pass scrutineering... :eek: also we made sum bumper holes to help the flow under the car as the rear bumper is prettty much a big wind break on these eg`s...

few pics here...

looks like you need a steel splitter in 1" plate, nice and low :)

After this we got down to sorting the boost controller out, and we made some good progress... just needed a few tweeks and re testing, so one evening while out, two days before the event, the big end decided to take a ****.... great... :crap: so i thought id be able to fix it intime but seems like the rod has gone too.. so that was that, i borrowed a 98 d16 coupe for the HKS to collect points and managed to run a 17.9 happy days..:laugh: TDI northwest was happy to lend me there type R FN2 but i turned it down and stuck with a single slammer...

So im currently sorting parts to rebuild of D, then we going to leave it at what level tune it is, or even pull some back.. then at the end of this year all our running gear will be up for grabs, including turbo, clutch, boxs, spares, inj`s... not the ecu tho..

So with all the weight we have carry (unlike you ESC boys :p) our little 1590cc SOHC motor is to small for what aims we have in mind... so we picked up this.. Its currently being used as a run around then the motor and box will be ripped from it then of to the crusher for the rest.... Hopefully next year will be brighter than this one... :)

Andy i could add about another 10-12kg in lead shots yet in the very base of the front lower cross... I think over the winter we will have chance to do all this.. last winter we had to build a complete new motor and car including cage etc etc for this year, so we just havnt put time into these areas which is completly stupid as its simple gains to be had for no money... :)

RSnut.... correct 6262 billet... to small for the B tho..

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Andy i could add about another 10-12kg in lead shots yet in the very base of the front lower cross... I think over the winter we will have chance to do all this.. last winter we had to build a complete new motor and car including cage etc etc for this year, so we just havnt put time into these areas which is completly stupid as its simple gains to be had for no money... :)

RSnut.... correct 6262 billet... to small for the B tho..

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Facking hell you boys must be going for crazy power, people in the U.S have made well over 700whp with that turbo:eek: although at quite high boost. I do agree though the 6765 billet is a nice turbo:devil: I cant wait to see this:agree:. How much do you want for the car your going to scrap, my b16 will go straight in there:laugh: proper sleeper

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Facking hell you boys must be going for crazy power, people in the U.S have made well over 700whp with that turbo:eek: although at quite high boost. I do agree though the 6765 billet is a nice turbo:devil: I cant wait to see this:agree:. How much do you want for the car your going to scrap, my b16 will go straight in there:laugh: proper sleeper

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It should be something if we can pull it off... Will have to see.. Would like to be up there with TDI and CPL but on a budget... :)... ill be in touch then and let you know what we do with it... :agree:

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It should be something if we can pull it off... Will have to see.. Would like to be up there with TDI and CPL but on a budget... :)... ill be in touch then and let you know what we do with it... :agree:

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I take it your going to sleeve it then? There is nothing more I would like to see than a tuner get his ass handed to him on a plate, and for half the money:)

Yep it will be sleeved, unsure which combo and CR to go for yet regarding rods/pistons... it seems the not many peeps like to say :coffee:

I have had mine set to 9.0-1, i I know mines not an 18 but the two motors are not that diffrent. I asked if it were worth going higher but got told not to bother. I suppose if you were to run it on proper fuel you could get away with 10.0-1

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh Boom!!!!!!.... 9.86@151mph D16 on Vitaras........ SFWD class too...:smokin:



http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2806473

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh Boom!!!!!!.... 9.86@151mph D16 on Vitaras........ SFWD class too...:smokin:



http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2806473

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I read through that thread the other day, built a engine then it spun a bearing on the dyno, rebuilt it with vitaras and it runs a 9.86 and a new d16 record. Sleeve the d16:devil:

its tempting :)

those yanks dont half get it done

I watched this video of miller running a 8.5 @ 173 the other day and did not know what to think, are we 10 years behind in the U.K or is it because the yanks get so much more support with sponsership etc. Saying that even the big tuners in this country have only just touched in to the 9's with a k-series

I dont know if anyone has watched it but its makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up everytime I watch it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0wtoLuZnc4

lol yeah one of my fav vids that, awesome!

yeah, there years in front of us, but you must consider drag racing is much more popular over there, and much deeper rooted, old the muscle cars etc, its what they do!
europe is much more into corners

lol yeah one of my fav vids that, awesome!

yeah, there years in front of us, but you must consider drag racing is much more popular over there, and much deeper rooted, old the muscle cars etc, its what they do!
europe is much more into corners

Rooooooaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :mad: i hate YANKS.... seen me coming, Mr desperate for a rod here...f***ers

Anyway lets hope i get some progress now with our D and make rota stock... :)

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Rooooooaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :mad: i hate YANKS.... seen me coming, Mr desperate for a rod here...f***ers

Anyway lets hope i get some progress now with our D and make rota stock... :)

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Whats that have they made you buy a complete set?

Nope i managed get a single rod from eagle, FJ being way way to slow to get back and a nightmere to deal with at mo... they just raped me with shipping!!!.. We will have to run a one odd rod to the rest, but they all messure exactly the same, all H beam etc etc.. just the eagle is 20g heavier, so ill have to balance it out... should work ok tho..:)... Going to order all new ACL bearings and all gaskets early next week and once parts arrive i can get the D fully rebuilt back up.. Going to give the engine a complete strip and overhaul, chem wash, the lot... Its going up for sale after jap show final...

less than 2 weeks after running that 9.86, those guys just smashed out a
9.65@153! on a d16 with cast pistons! 1590cc, and 1049kg! that is unreal :eek:

Awesome, never underestimate the power of a single cam lump!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vd8--SbnFU

Thats incredible, do we know what sort of boost they run ?

they mention on a thread they hit 43psi in 4th gear, and that on a 67mm inducer turbo :eek:

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they mention on a thread they hit 43psi in 4th gear, and that on a 67mm inducer turbo :eek:

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Another car running a precision turbo and getting it done, precision 6765 billet thats the turbo Im going to use on my build:devil:

aiii, we may need to upgrade our 6262 for the b18, theres talk on the hks forum that one competitor is running the mitsi 4g63 engine (evo) in a fwd car running a 72mm unit, that combo is good for over 900hp (obviously if everything else done correctly)

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aiii, we may need to upgrade our 6262 for the b18, theres talk on the hks forum that one competitor is running the mitsi 4g63 engine (evo) in a fwd car running a 72mm unit, that combo is good for over 900hp (obviously if everything else done correctly)

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Thats crazy, I have seen peeps make 850whp with a 6765 on the 4G63. Whats the engine in? is it an eclipse or something? are engine swaps ok in the hks?

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Thats crazy, I have seen peeps make 850whp with a 6765 on the 4G63. Whats the engine in? is it an eclipse or something? are engine swaps ok in the hks?

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Its the FTO owned by Rich B... Yes hes allowed to do that swap, same manufacture...

Well tonight i got the engine built back up and should get it back in car later this week. We managed to find a single rod, after some messing around, but Eagle sorted us one out. So yeah its not the same make as the other 3 FJR rods but its the same dimensions, material etc, only difference is a taller cap so about 15g heavier, Ive shaved it down to match to the rest and fitted the rod next to flywheel as i feel this will help, IF any inbalance, but IMO its going to be perfect and not even an issue. Also i had to shave the crank girdle for clearance.. The block, head, oil pump the lot has all been fully stripped, checked over, Chem cleaned up and fully rebuilt with new gaskets and full ACL race bearings...

This engine is going up FORSALE after jap show final along with many other parts, turbo, injectors... The engine core with manifolds is pervisonaly sold ATM but open to offers over £1000.. :)

Few more pics of the engine coming on... :).. Looking forward to getting back to pod soon and see the year out with some single slamming boost before we go B18...

:agree:

Looking good rob, keep up the good work =]

Well making some good progress but we at a point now we really cant tune this motor anymore without changes.. We are at 100% inj duty with the 750cc, and boost is creeping alot.. after 7500k rpm is where our creep starts and we really cant rev it more than 9k even though the motor wants too and STILL carrys is torq well :).. From 7.5-9k we creep about 5psi much more we going to lean due to the 100% duty.. our total boost is 35psi but going to set the cut at 40psi.. We could start upping the fuel pressure more but in someway i dont want to puch this motor anymore than this... With a decent set of manifolds, bigger gate, new injectors.. and better ign coil could make some impressive figures... Must say these D`s are awsome things for the cost...:D

Now for the worms...Total whp made today was 498hp but never saved this run tipical... but saved a 488hp run with graph below..

Would like to thank Paul West @ TDI Northwest for giving us access to the dyno and workshop and leaving us to it with his gear etc :agree: top guys...

whichever way you look at it, maxing out 750s is good power :)

just don't break it now....

I know, the motor is sold too... :scared: really excited now for the b18 next year..... :devil:

Good stuff Rob, graph looks good too. You must be happy with that :agree:

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Good stuff Rob, graph looks good too. You must be happy with that :agree:

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Be happy when im revving to 11k + and carry that torq all the way... :D

500hp is the new 200hp :D looking good buddy.

Should have said Rob i have a set of 1000's here. Hope all gos well for you boys at the weekend.

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Should have said Rob i have a set of 1000's here. Hope all gos well for you boys at the weekend.

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cheers lad, Paul at TDI had a set of 1200s on the self that he was happy for us to stick on but we dont want to remap the whole car, plus then we will just keep pushing it more.. lol.. need to leave it be.. :)..i think id sooner up fuel pressure first...

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Can not wait to see that in the flesh, only a matter of time :D

Awesome stuff Rob, glad things seem to be going well bud. Hope to catch up with you at an event soon.

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Back home allready with a beer, a light wallet and 400miles clocked up on a round trip to the pod... Nothing to sereious but cant race it so packed up, came home and decided to call it a day and pull out the series for rest of year...

What happened to the old girl mate?

Unsure at mo mate.. just shoved it in garage for now got a pizza and a cold one.... need a weekend now car free, might cut the lawn tomoz... :scared:

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Unsure at mo mate.. just shoved it in garage for now got a pizza and a cold one.... need a weekend now car free, might cut the lawn tomoz... :scared:

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Know how you feel mate.

Well stripped the honda today, it looks like the head has lifted... What you say????? yes it looks like the head has lifted!!!... you can see where the gas has been blowing right across the head in all directions to the edge... Seems like that bull**** term ive heard all my life from tuners is true! when i thought it was an excuse for a head gasket to go as you cant tune a car!!!..

There is nothing at all on the map/logs to indicate anything odd... AFR`s good, our total ign was low anyway.. Seems like at 35+ psi ARP head bolts may be needed...

what bolts/size do you use at the moment?

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what bolts/size do you use at the moment?

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oh dog **** ones the OE, m10`s fine or of that nature....

knowing rob he'll have some long wood screws in there ..

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knowing rob he'll have some long wood screws in there ..

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Did i tell you i drained my oil into your trophy today??? i just didnt have anything at hand ............

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oh dog **** ones the OE, m10`s fine or of that nature....

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pretty small then, can you go bigger?

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pretty small then, can you go bigger?

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You could yes if your prepered to re drill... its easier to go arp.. Peeps are trapping over 150mph running over 45psi with this size bolt on the D motor.. no point re inventing the wheel if you get me mate... on the b18 ill go direct to studs and arps etc as i do intended to run that amount of boost in time..

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Did i tell you i drained my oil into your trophy today??? i just didnt have anything at hand ............

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Well looks like Speedfactory have been out at it again with there B18 outlaw car (these are the same guys that built the d16 i posted up earlier in thread)... Seems like this b18 is one of the more basic builds out the outlaw group, still running the hondata s300 piggy back, oh and yet another precision 72 billet unit pulling the numbers in.... :smokin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUbOfV3cIQY

oh and 179mph trap!! yes, 179mph :eek:

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oh and 179mph trap!! yes, 179mph :eek:

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must be another one o them extreme down hill dragstrips they have in the states :D

yeah must be :) i noticed he made 133mph @ 1/8th, more than us at the 1/4 lol

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yeah must be :) i noticed he made 133mph @ 1/8th, more than us at the 1/4 lol

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what do you reckon, about twice your power?

more than that id say. i would expect ~1200hp.... its no flyweight

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more than that id say. i would expect ~1200hp.... its no flyweight

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is weight making much difference at those terminals? You must need something like 400hp just to drive at 179mph :confused:

im sure you know if it does or not :)


i would of thought so, top speed no, but how quickly it will reach that speed i think weight plays a big part on. i think the weight plays a bigger part in the 1st 1/8th mile than the 2nd 1/8th of the track though, hence the flyweight n/a cars are very good upto the 1/8th, but make no mph ..

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im sure you know if it does or not :)


i would of thought so, top speed no, but how quickly it will reach that speed i think weight plays a big part on. i think the weight plays a bigger part in the 1st 1/8th mile than the 2nd 1/8th of the track though, hence the flyweight n/a cars are very good upto the 1/8th, but make no mph ..

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:) it's going to be close to that

Think about this.

Assume a GTT weighs 2Kg and has 200hp, it has enough power to push through the air a sniff over 140mph, but how fast would it go before it didn't have enough traction to drive through the air? (assume no lift).

im sure there is a formula to calculate tractive effort vs drag...

and with a full size car weighing 2kg, even with 200hp, i bet it couldnt top 40mph
without breaking traction.

but my argument would be that a lightweight car is not slower through the traps becasuse its broke traction, after all, there not spinning through the traps.

as for breaking traction in the lower gears, i thought you may be have a point, and maybe the heavier car would make better 1/8th times, but it never happens in reality, and i think thats because its breaking traction due to high G force, and not drag as it would at high speed

wow, thats fast ! :)

Is that the turbo your going to use Rob?

sadly not, there $3595 :eek:

and we tend to break things too, that would be upsetting :wasntme:

Cant you get a ebay copy Rob? :DWhat sort of gearbox do they use?

not with the billet compressor ron, im sure there are 72mm inducer units about on ebay, but weve broke a few ebay turbos now, and with us needing a degree of reliability in the series, we cant risk the ebay turbos really, there too hit and miss, the last one we had literally lasted 1 event :crap:

I can't remember, did you look at BW turbos?

yes andy, thats probably what we are going with. s372, journal. cheap units, reasonable quality, and are rebuildable, dont seem to be as good at high pressure ratios as these new fangled billet compressors which are doing the rounds now, but still have made some big numbers/traps on honda motors

What about the 6765 billet, can be had for £700 and have been known to make 900 whp, I suppose your after alot more though

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What about the 6765 billet, can be had for £700 and have been known to make 900 whp, I suppose your after alot more though

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it's a shame they won't publish compressor maps for those.

yeah ive seen some dynos from the mitsi 4g63 boys making big numbers on those blowers, but they run really crazy boost to do it.

the 6767 is a possable (t4 only), we think we will go t4 divided flange on the new motor, most of the big stuff (72mm+) is t4, and we cant see ever dropping turbo size.

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I know its pretty bollocks tbh, having to go on other peoples experiences, lucky **** loads of people with hondas use them. Even the actual wheel sizes are hard enough to find.

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I know its pretty bollocks tbh, having to go on other peoples experiences, lucky **** loads of people with hondas use them. Even the actual wheel sizes are hard enough to find.

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I remember trying to find data on the 6767 billet, I was wasting my time, nothing but no-nothing yanks giving their 2p :D a couple of worth while looking opinions amongst the crap though.

I just looked up that borg warner compressor rob's talking about, that looks tasty.

Its physicaly a big ass turbo not to mention the 101mm wheel inside.

the 6767 is the t4 version i think?

the 6765 comes in t3.

maybe the lack of maps is something to do with garrett, as precision only modify the turbos, they are actually garrett items (chra at least), marketing reasons maybe

don't you think it's fantastic then that they call themselves "precision turbo's" without offering up any evidence of that precision ? that'll be an oxymoron :D

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the 6767 is the t4 version i think?

the 6765 comes in t3.

maybe the lack of maps is something to do with garrett, as precision only modify the turbos, they are actually garrett items (chra at least), marketing reasons maybe

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From what I have read recently precision dont have anything to do with garrett anymore, but maybe like Scoff said earlier the interweb is a minefield

oh ok, maybe they manufacture there own chra`s now then

On another subject I have some acl main bearings that might be of some use to you.

And another B18 in the 8s running s300... 8.81@173mph.. there all coming out the wood work now...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IDbUMFeeEM

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And another B18 in the 8s running s300... 8.81@173mph.. there all coming out the wood work now...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IDbUMFeeEM

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very impressive

Any progress with the b18 yet rob?

Ive just spent $2000 just on a few engine parts..... is that classed as progress... :) old motor all gone now mate.. We will be breaking the ek vti S soon... the cars are sat in unit side by side and we will get the b18 fitted and running soon just to make sure everything ok with the s300 and looms, shafts mounts etc.. then the engine build will start.. :D

If you have a spare loom that would work with my motor I would be intrested. Have you sleeved the block?

We might have the b18 spare? unsure at min tho, also a p30 ecu? big brake conversion?

Yes ill be sleeving the block, darton Mids.. not running stock bore tho..

84mm or bigger? Are you using the 87 or 89 mm crankBig brake conversion?

The B18 was fitted today, all went well, up and running and test drove..:) now time to pull it back out..

Come on Rob lets see some progress pics:D

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lol, ill sort some soon, nothing of interest really at mo mate.. :). You need hurry up and finish yours!!!

Just for the honda junky..:p

Nothing exciting just how the car is now, The engine will becoming out tomorrow and prob make a start to tidy the bay and give it some paint. Also we will be painting all inside the car soon, fitting new seats and a new carpet (black) pos flock dash etc.. Also we swapped the selector rods and stick from the VTI so now we have a shiny gear knob :D

My darton MID sleeves should be here soon so i can make a start on the sleeving, also the CP pistons, Eagle Rods, Edelbrook Victor X intake, ARPS, cometic gasket should be here anytime.. We have lots of changes we need to make to the car. A second fuel pump will be fitted (bocsh 044) work with our current Welbor intank pump, also a change of lines will be needed.. We going to change all the intake to 3" bore, (so all the old pipe run will be up for grabs - rs250nut).. Im really hoping to be running the Borg Warner S372 (72mm) from the off next year, poss with a set of ID2000cc... Unsure of exhaust mani yet, have a few ideas, maybe sweet talk scoff to help fab a nice one ;)...

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Just for the honda junky..:p

Nothing exciting just how the car is now, The engine will becoming out tomorrow and prob make a start to tidy the bay and give it some paint. Also we will be painting all inside the car soon, fitting new seats and a new carpet (black) pos flock dash etc.. Also we swapped the selector rods and stick from the VTI so now we have a shiny gear knob :D

My darton MID sleeves should be here soon so i can make a start on the sleeving, also the CP pistons, Eagle Rods, Edelbrook Victor X intake, ARPS, cometic gasket should be here anytime.. We have lots of changes we need to make to the car. A second fuel pump will be fitted (bocsh 044) work with our current Welbor intank pump, also a change of lines will be needed.. We going to change all the intake to 3" bore, (so all the old pipe run will be up for grabs - rs250nut).. Im really hoping to be running the Borg Warner S372 (72mm) from the off next year, poss with a set of ID2000cc... Unsure of exhaust mani yet, have a few ideas, maybe sweet talk scoff to help fab a nice one ;)...

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72mm, 2000cc squirters, I like you're thinking :D

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well to be honest, we would of liked smaller steps i think, so as to learn the car, and gain more experiance as we go, as with these higher and higher powered cars, suspension, traction, tyres, and even aerodynamics take much bigger effects, our old 132mph car was just starting to get interesting with traction (needing boost control by gear), and then i wanted to have a play with controling boost via rear wheel speed, as boost by gear is all well and good, but controling boost through a spinning wheel wont work :laugh:

so we would of liked to go 67mm ideally, and stay t3 flange, and maybe hope for a 10.2 pass or so as a PB. and simply learn the car more, and the technology, study what improvments we find from intake manifolds changes (plenum sizes ect).
but quite simply if we do that, we will get left behind in a big way by the rest of the field, so we will be going "all out" from the off next year, and will need to learn fast, and hope the gearboxs/shafts etc hold up to the power we expect to make. if we start breaking box`s were screwed, as the aftermarket uprated gears and casings are crazy ££££ :(

Yep, the budget side of things have reached the limits by the sounds of it mate, into big money from now... Time to drum up some sponsers ;)
Looking forward to hearing how it goes anyway :)

Rob, what's the "GSR" box ? There's guys running 160mph + and 9.x on stock GSR boxes isn't there ?

thats the type R` box, we have a variant of that, and yeah, people have run big numbers on it, but i dont think they get many passes per box.

looks like were going to need to bite the bullet and start to learn to rebuild gearbox`s :cry:

Christmas has come early :).. Came home to the first batch of parts.. Our engine is ready to be stripped so make a start on this over weekend then drag the block to work so we can get cracking with the sleeving.. :)

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...2008/021-2.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...2008/018-2.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...2008/023-1.jpg

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thats the type R` box, we have a variant of that, and yeah, people have run big numbers on it, but i dont think they get many passes per box.

looks like were going to need to bite the bullet and start to learn to rebuild gearbox`s :cry:

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There is a decent write up on ht about stripping and rebuilding a b series box, im going to pull mine apart soon so I can have a nosey and give it a bit of a clean. This is my only real concern at the moment, if **** starts braking a decent gearset is around $8000 dollars, I dread to think also on top for a billet bell housing. Nice update though bud, I wish I had a car.

get an old reck and get out there, you dont need to be the fastest to have fun, theres always someone quicker than you...

After a trip to Tweeks to check out some seats etc we made a start on the interior and picked up this for the ricer.. Just to make sure we can stay in a stright line.. finaly we can start binning that awful interior that comes in these EG`s...

So made a start on cleaning the bay up ready for paint. We have filled all the holes and unused bolt holes in, and basicly we going to make it look clean and tidy and re route the loom, we house the fuse box etc.. Ive orderd the new turbo, Borg warner 72mm, 1.1 AR turbine... the first of still a huge list of parts we need..:(..

Should look good mate, how do you go about wire tucking it, is the loom pulled through the leg? Going with a straight white again

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Should look good mate, how do you go about wire tucking it, is the loom pulled through the leg? Going with a straight white again

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Unsure the routing yet for some of the loom, the lights will route down the legs or inner wings.. We leaving this work into deans capable hands :) the car will also stay white...

Ok so now the car has had its paint, just inside and under bonnet, Good work dean!.. The next set is to start the interior, we are going to buy some aftermarket black carpet and line the floor, also we may make the dash and door cards look more tidy. We now have the new pumps (two bosch 044 pumps) we going to mount under the car and fit new lines. The feed line will become the new return (-6) and a new feed will be fitted (-8) also a new reg (not a rail reg).. While the car is still stripped down im going to fit a staging brake in the car along with a bias valve and new brake lines..

The engine still hasnt been started yet, the machines at work have been way to busy with the back log or porsche engines needed to be complete for the new year. I hoping to get cracking with this in jan..

Few pics of how the car is now..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...ject/002-2.jpg

I thought you were going for a -10 fuel rail? Have a look on eBay for fittings, I just brought a load for quarter of the price they would have been new from the states. Shell looks good bud, are you painting the exterior or is it clean?

Well after speaking to Tony T1, he runs all -8 with -8 rail... We was going to go -10 till we found this out, plus more rails available at 8.. As for fittings we only going to buy a couple and use jubles here and there lol.. should be reet... them fittings soon add up in price, its around 200 quid to just kit it out with all them..

The shell isnt brill but better then most others, we plan to wrap the car somtime in the future..

I kinda like this.... unsure what the others think..

doesn't that add weight?

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doesn't that add weight?

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It doesn't matter, they're already running lots of balast to meet the 1039kg minimum weight.

i thought summat like that might be the case.
its a good colour scheme :agree: bit like Guile in SF2's alternative colours...(showing my age now) -city camo colour?

Bit like millers eg hatch without the orange? I did see a clio or was it a gtt with a camo paint job inside, looked quite good.

The new turbo has arrived.... :)..

Here it is next to an old GT35 i have with a 70ar cover...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...roject/037.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...roject/038.jpg

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...roject/039.jpg

And its twice the weight aswell.... have we gone over kill.....

im guessing thats a a gt45r:eek:

Borg warner s372, 72mm inducer, 1000hp rated :) If anyone thought the turbo on my engine was large, mine is the small one in that picture :cartman:

You know you wana go 72mm scoff...

aaaiiiii its a Borg Warner, jernal bearing, nothing fancy as we race with a budget.... just need those new 2200cc IDs now to fuel it...:crap: not cheap..

Wow that's a big ass snail, did you buy it from T.D autowerks? I see you went for the twin scroll set up, are you going with a top mount manifold design of forward facing type? Nice progress though.:smokin:

Yeah going with the top mount manifold and two 44mm wastegates.. Yep Td sorted us out, had a couple units from him now... sound guy...

Am I right in thinking that monster, and it is a freakin monster, has no water cooling?

It looks the nuts!:agree:

I took a std T2 into work to pull it apart and the Aussie lads were taking the biscuit, saying "Do they do them for men?!". Cheeky feckers.

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You know you wana go 72mm scoff...

aaaiiiii its a Borg Warner, jernal bearing, nothing fancy as we race with a budget.... just need those new 2200cc IDs now to fuel it...:crap: not cheap..

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the 2200cc are a must son turbo look sweet when you get bored with it give us a shout lol

Holy ****!:eek: I think I would rather frame that blower than actually use it!

Seriously impressive!:agree:

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I did see a clio or was it a gtt with a camo paint job inside, looked quite good.

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winstons white gtt, snow camo space invaders :agree:

You don't do things by halves do you Rob :wasntme: That blower is going to want to suck in everything in the engine bay :devil:
What do they come on big rigs or something ?

just out of interest what rpm do you expect that to spool up by compared to a ball bearing type? and what is your predicted flow and pressure ratio for your engine :scared:

http://www.timsturbos.com/images/S472MAP.jpg

isnt that extended tip technolgy ,what garret have used with the gtx range:scratch:

mine was supposed to be around 44lb flow and a pressure ratio of 3.5 to get 400 bhp seemed a little high for me :scared: that was using the formula's on garrets web page,:(
but changing the 2.0 litre for a 1.8l and keeping the same maximum rpm rating of 7200:homer:

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Borg warner s372, 72mm inducer, 1000hp rated :) If anyone thought the turbo on my engine was large, mine is the small one in that picture :cartman:

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sweeettt jesus!

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just out of interest what rpm do you expect that to spool up by compared to a ball bearing type? and what is your predicted flow and pressure ratio for your engine :scared:

http://www.timsturbos.com/images/S472MAP.jpg

isnt that extended tip technolgy ,what garret have used with the gtx range:scratch:

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If you look up Jeff Evans tuning and take a peek at the dyno sheets it will give you a good idea of what this puppy can do, just scroll down the page a bit and bear in mind this is wheel horsepower not crank horsepower.

http://dynos.evans-tuning.com/catego...earch_type/and

When you light this car up Rob the world is going to turn backwards:smokin:

http://www.timsturbos.com/images/S472MAP.jpg

must admit, im impressed by the width of the efficiency islands on that s472 map:cooter:

and them cars are making serious power:eek:
(more than what my f7 can handle ):laugh::laugh::cry::cry:

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just out of interest what rpm do you expect that to spool up by compared to a ball bearing type? and what is your predicted flow and pressure ratio for your engine :scared:

http://www.timsturbos.com/images/S472MAP.jpg

isnt that extended tip technolgy ,what garret have used with the gtx range:scratch:

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i dont believe they do a BB version of the 372 we have, other 72mm units yeah. as for comparision ive no idea, as ive never ran such a large unit, or indeed ever ran this engine at all period :laugh:. I dont expect to see over 10 psi by 6k revs, but we will rev upto 10500revs or so, so as long as i have 2500rpms on full boost (30+)im happy, with means i have upto 7500k or so before i need full boost which should be no problem, we have opted for the t4 divided flange though to help with spool, though again without the non-divided to compare too we will never really know, other than from what ive read from others who have swapped non-divided to divided.

im simply using other peoples experiance, as its quite a common turbo on the engine were building (b18), so tried and tested as such, as 72mm inducer is the class limit in the USA, and as such is what all competitors run, whether Borg warner, garrett, precision etc, all the same size.

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must admit, im impressed by the width of the efficiency islands on that s472 map:cooter:

and them cars are making serious power:eek:
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thats a 472 map btw, not the turbo were using. i think its 80mm inducer that 472...

well , all the best with the project rob, think your gonna have a lot of fun:cooter:

be great to see it hit the 9's;)

Just saw this car run on tv! it was at the fast show against a white civic, 'Rob' was driving.

Yep the HKS is on motors TV, its from last year when we ran the old d16 turbo.. We didnt attend all events and last year wasnt a great year either... :crap:

The hks will be on Motors TV for the next 4 weeks showing each round, 5 rounds in total..

http://www.japdragseries.co.uk/tv.php check here for times..

You can also follow us on Facebook and join our page..

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/...69701466405168

Thanks..

Well the sleeving got underway this week at work.. it revealed some interesting things that honda did. The orginal sleeve (the bore), honda had ridges on the outside of the bore, then the casting poured around as they do. Never really come across this, most manufactors just use stright bores then the casting..Anyway doing this would make the OE sleeve very strong and stable within its molding, plus displace heat faster to the alloy.. Also in the making would stop any movement when cooling the casting between the too metals..

Anyway first pic for can see the ridges, the rest is just part of the process of sleeving. Got all the percise maching to come yet.

some more pics... now at this stage..

are you doing your own machining?

Nice, I wish I had access to a mill, lathe. I know you can cool the sleeves by putting in liquid nitrogen but what do you heat the block with, got a big enough oven:D

Im not doing the sleeving myself but its all in house at my work. We have two mills, 2 lathes, head skimmer, Boring tools etc etc.. We have 4 guys that are full time on just rebuilding engines and engineering parts and this is just the side part of our workshop, Remember we just an independant Porsche Specialist.

Im more in charge now of the race cars we run/sponsor in the (porsche cup championship) and do general workshop work..

Heres one of the cars we will be racing this year that ive just finished rebuilding pretty much every part on it, just need get on the dyno and then have a few days out on the track with this one.. Im starting, in the near future, to build a Boxster S for next years championship.. So i feel that this year may be the last year for drag racing or take a year out as im slowly going to loose all my time and weekends dedicated to this..

Anyway back to the program..

The block will be heated in a hot wash we have, we can get this pretty god dam hot, you couldnt touch it anyway.. the sleeves dont need cooling that much as its cast iron and doesnt have the same expansion properties as alloy.. The MAIN issue you may have is the way the alloy will cool with the sleeves.. The alloy can push the sleeves out ever so slight that you wouldnt no it.. you then go along and get the block face finished etc get it all built up and once it gets very hot that sleeve will drop down and course the gasket to leak.. When the sleeves are fitted we will need a jig making to hold them in place and leave them with around 1 tone press on the block while it cools till cold.. this will stop them trying to lift out.. The rest of the sleeve is a peace of cake (so ive been told)...

Once you insert the sleeves don't you bolt on a deck plate to hold them in? Should have read further, gives him self a kick up the ass.

Ok so some more machining pics today. From the looks of things hondas casting accuracy is brilliant from the factory.. The first pictures is the remains of the old sleeves, the cuts come out so well you can even see the old casting number on the back of the old cyclinders..

As you know each sleeve has to be bored to fit so a double check of the sleeves is needed to make sure dartons machining is good, which they are..

Here are the finial base cuts taking place, yet needs cleaning up and more work. Also the start of the top cuts is there. It seems like we now know why a few peeps have trouble with darton sleeves dropping and not sealing. Ill try to explaing this and draw some pics to show.. We are going against there way of installing them and changing a few things...

Also the last pic is the start of some gears we make, we also have gear cutters so custom boxs might be on the cards one day, but with the available gears out there i very much dout we will bother...

Straight cut 1st 2nd and 3rd for my box please :-D?

Ok nearly finished now..

Few more pics of final base cuts...

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and then its done for that part

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The next step was to heat the block in the oven... then a hurry to get them in fast so no pics of the fitting stage.. The pic below shows one of our presses, we made this tower with rods and blocks as this will allways leave even pressure on each sleeve as its able to rock, therefore we wont get on sleeve sitting higher than the other.

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We then left around 5 tonne on this, with our calculations the block should drop and leave the sleeves 5 tho higher over all. When the sleeves went in the top face was level and flat/flush, then as it cools you can slowly watch the block drop around the sleeves and bingo we had 5 tho liner protrusion. :headbang:

We are now at this point, the face needs skimming and i need it boring out yet, and we may use cooper rings yet so might have to do some more work for this.

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You can see why this is such an expensive process of building a bullet proof honda bottom end. Great service to offer people. What are you doing with the p2w clearance rob

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Well you will be pleased to know we will soon offer this service to the honda guys, dont expect much change from £700 tho to have the sleeves fitted..

P2W 3.5 thou i think.. ran this on the D16... i seem happy with that..

I took a few pics of the Interior today. Pretty much finished now here, just need sort some wiring, fit a big Rev counter and shift light, Lm, ecu...

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That looks **** hot, how did you manage to make it look so good? If I did that it would be all creased and look pony. Look even better with a 12000rpm rev counter

That looks good mate, what did you use to trim the dash and door panels in?

Deans done all the interior last week, also the looms etc, the fuse box is now in car and no looms running around engine bay... Think he put some late nights in.. :agree: its come ok pretty sweet.. we did this instead of flocking, saved loads of time and cash.. :) just cheapo acoustic carpet... the flooring is the same stuff the VW boys use in there campers..

Bit more of an update, most of the bits are here now to build the engine, im hoping to get the block skimmed and bored this next week and start building the head this weekend, prob give that a light skim aswell.. think our over all comp ratio will be 9.5:1 when finished.

The new cam pulleys by AEM

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New dual valve springs, and Titanium retainers

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New ACL Race bearings.

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My new coffee table for the living room, but at the mo holding orange....

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Nearly a month on since last update and nothing much has happened to the car. But on a better note ive sorted myself out with a new garage at my gaff..:) just need to wire in my tv aerial and alarm system and beef up the locks...

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Ive also made a start on building the head up, lapped all my valves etc...

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Also ive ordered a new Comp Clutch and some Avid engine mounts..

Got bored and started to wounder about a front mount mani, also i bought some amber corners to make it look more JDM :D

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Ill try to get more work done over this next month... :)

Looks alot like the garage I use at my old ladys only alot cleaner. Front mount mani would be the $hit, I would be freaking though, stones,small animals, small people getting sucked up by that monster:smokin:

Ok, time i got building this engine...

Unsure if ive covered this yet or not.. Im going to run 4 thou Piston to wall clearance so the finial bore cut has been done, it will prob slap around but not to worried about that.. Im yet to set the ring gaps.. im only at around 9-10thou at mo which i was rather shocked at with the amount of P2W ive set allready??, anyway really need them to be around 18ish with my 83mm bore size with the engines use (high power) in mind..

Going to crack on with the head tomorrow if i can and get it skimmed and built back up with the supertechs..

Really behind with this project now.. unsure if ill even have it out for RTOC pod day with the amount of bits im yet to buy :cry:...................

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Get it built mate, this car will be silly fast:agree:

Well had a couple hours in the garage.. built the head up and finished my ring gapping...


The Duel valve springs and Ti retainers.. (supertechs)
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The rocker shafts and rockers..

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The Lma`s that keep the main high lift rocker in contact with the cam lobe when vtec isnt in use. Most peeps do away with the whole 3 stage rockers etc and just run the high cam as the low stage is never used anyway..

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Fitted all the pistons to the rods..

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also all the rings have now been gapped and checked..

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Next step is to build the bottom end up..

Well still not started to get the motor together yet.. But on a better note all set for Brands hatch this weekend and first round of the PCC... Im kinda thinking to have the same wrap on the honda now instead of the camo...:coffee:

Small update, things havnt really moved much recently but we hoping to try and get this car out for Rtoc Pod day, still a very slim chance but be nice to make it.. Funds for the project are slim this year and the engine conversion cost so far is close or over 5 grand so we have decided to take a step back from our orginal plan of making the car all out high HP etc and just get the thing running and out on the strip. So in which case we will be making cuts to save costs.

So the clutch system, no twin disc, just the old iron man CC clutch (which i think will do fine for us). We going to down size injector from 2000 - 1000cc due to the massive price difference, We only going to fit One bosch 044 pump and run this in line with the Welbo we have now. This will save money on extra fuel line and fittings needed.. Ive just ordered a new exhaust manifold T4 divided flange, 2 x 44mm V band for the gates, as for the gates im going to get a couple Kung fui chinese ones.. Im sure it will be ok..

Once the car is out and running we will no dout run into gearbox issues as the ratios are all wrong for us with the UK gearboxs being different from the USA boys. So this year would be good for just some small testing and get some data from things and then maybe raise the game in 2012..

Some Pics of where we are at below..

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thats too much for me i gta go sit in a dark room....:D

Sweet progress mate, You can see where the extra deck height comes from now between the B18/16. The 16's head near on sits flush with the top of the waterpump where as you an extra inch.

Couple more pics, havnt really had chance do much to the honda recently due to work commitments. Once this weekends out the way ill be back on..

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And for you track junkys as some of you know as well as working and help run a mad busy workshop at the moment i manage two race cars that we race in the PCC and so far not doing to badly on this years outing. Currently 2nd and 3rd in the championship, back out at donny this weekend so if any you guys ever out and about at the tracks feel free come say hi.. :)

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Getting it done mate and hope to see it at the pod:agree: I will race up up the strip in my trainers if you like:laugh: I reckon their good for a high nine pass

rob, stop fannying about with porches and get the car built. I need at least some half-way decent competition this year :D (yeah, stop dreaming chris..)

aiii, were desperatly trying to get the car finished for rtoc pod day, (its the best opertunity to map as you know).

weve ordered and paid for our manifold at last, t4 divided flange, twin 44mm v-band gates, should be here any day now, only missing few last parts then, fingers crossed we`ll make pod day, failing that will deffo make outlaw :)

I'll let you know how I get on with WGT's dyno rob - that might be an option for you. Or do you think you'll get traction @ tdi ?

Im unsure about TDI`s rollers once we start pushing high power. I think there ok on adams car to level 550-600?? maybe but i think they struggle.. But as there only ten mins down road and Paul is an awsome guy and just leaves us to it with his rollers.. For now we will stick with TDI...

What dyno is it rob ?

Well no honda updates sorry, but on the Porsche front got a good vid of one of our cars at donny out in quali.. :)

I really didnt think i was going to get this car to make this event, i found some bearing damage and had to do a crank swap and full engine rebuild in a couple of days before. I had no chance for testing or dyno time and no practice, just straight in to the 25min qualifing window.. A heart in my mouth moment...!! I set the car up for a dry session then once in assembly area it started to rain.. Great!!

Still we managed to get a P4 and a P1 in quali for both the races, finishing 4th and 2nd over the weekend.. Thruxton next...

http://www.youtube.com/user/faze1motorsport

Small update, got the engine in today... :) i still have loads to do etc.. dont worry im painting that cam cover, im yet to weld the breathers into it etc...

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F**k me that looks awesome mate :agree:

Wow:agree: The shaved bay looks quality.

Looks sooooper smooth and clean fella. :agree: very nice.

:eek::eek: Awesome! :niceone:

Are they the OE engine mounts or is that a Drag Modification? It certainly looks simple! ;)

Cheers guys, still have aload more parts to fill that bay yet.. The mounts are OE replacement, there is a few options to go for, i didnt fancy the solid mounts so went went for the street/drag option, but also our honda engine has torque mounts, ill be fitting solid ones for them. (yet to order them) so not in them pics... will post as i go along..

Still waiting for the manifold yet, im told it should be finished this week... :)

The mounts are Avid Racing....

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Scoff i cant remember, i was down there other week too.. Paul said its best for me to send the car to TDI south along with adams car for the day and use the Hub dyno.. Ill just use theirs for up to 500hp..

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Cheers guys, still have aload more parts to fill that bay yet.. The mounts are OE replacement, there is a few options to go for, i didnt fancy the solid mounts so went went for the street/drag option, but also our honda engine has torque mounts, ill be fitting solid ones for them. (yet to order them) so not in them pics... will post as i go along..

Still waiting for the manifold yet, im told it should be finished this week... :)

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Forward facing? Who is making it Rob?

Nope top mount mate, its by AFI over the pond... T4 twin scroll, twin 44 V band gates... dont think a front mount turbo is needed... any more progress with yours pal?

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Nope top mount mate, its by AFI over the pond... T4 twin scroll, twin 44 V band gates... dont think a front mount turbo is needed... any more progress with yours pal?

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Not touched it for ages now, new job has taken over:(

small update...

Im making a fuel cell in the bay, our weight has dropped down to 969kg in our class so im able to loose the steel tank at rear and all the lines etc.. Also the manifold is here now..

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The car the the rad and cooler on, i need to sort a new boost run and also up the size to 3inch, also i need to fit a slimline fan to rad and we do the coolant system etc..

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And here is the new Manifold...

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Still got a **** load of things to get yet.... kinda booked a holiday to Ibiza today instead tho wups :ashamed: :D..... closing partys here i come...:beer:

I'm looking to move, can i live in your turbo?

Doesnt fit to great yet, i need to trim the slam pannel... :) the exhaust will just be a 4" bend out of bonnet....

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:uhhuh: What the hell did it come off?

who made manifold pal :D

A dumper truck ;)... AFI full race mani

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A dumper truck ;)...

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Dumper truck for the win!!!
:yeah:

Really smart mate :)

Few more parts today, GE pro series fuel rail, fuel pressure gauge, Weldon fuel reg, hondata intake gasket, and a block bung to ditch the OE oil catch can...

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This car is so bad you need locking up rob!!!!!!!!! Kind of wish I had gone for a top mount now, such a larger selection of turbos to chose from. Snap with the fuel rail, looks to be a nice bit of kit.

Awesome stuff Rob, make sure you post up when you will be running, i'd love to try to make it along ;)

should be ready for august



2013 :laugh:

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Will be if you keep buggering off to the island mate :agree:

When you going to Ibiza Rob, Im hopefully going there for my stag do:)

Well one of the wastegates came today, the other will be in a few weeks.. Also the injectors are on the way very soon and the new fuel cell is taking shape...

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The next few pics prob wont interest anyone but RSnut..

Ive modified the coolant system so we just have 3 hoses.. There is a outlet on the head for the heaters, you can block this off with a plug the same as the cover plugs for the rocker shafts, i managed to get a secondhand one. Also the coolant rail on rear of block ive welded up the two outlets on this. Ive done away with the stock oil catch can and running a bung for this, the top breather pipe will need welding up also.. pics..

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:eek: That turbo's dam near as big as the engine!! :niceone:

Sex !! :D:cool:

What size gates are those Rob 44mm? I wondering if I will encounter any problems running just one 44mm.

Nice work mate, what have you done with the bits on the thermostat housing? I have never really taken much notice of the cooling system. I did the same with the breather system, I found a 35mm core plug and bashed it in there, hopefully won't fall out.

All looking VERY VERY clean! Sure it will go like stink! Keep up the great work :agree:

Hate to think how much you have invested in parts :scared:

The turbo on my track car could probably get sucked through that one lol

DG

Is That a Borgeee Warrrner i see there Rob?? Lovely turbo's:D

Them gates look like the demon ones?? Im thinking of getting those as i need two and one Tial requires me to remortgage the house!!

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Nice work mate, what have you done with the bits on the thermostat housing? I have never really taken much notice of the cooling system. I did the same with the breather system, I found a 35mm core plug and bashed it in there, hopefully won't fall out.

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Yes 44 gates, i havnt welded anything on the thermo housing... Im running no stat aswell..

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Is That a Borgeee Warrrner i see there Rob?? Lovely turbo's:D

Them gates look like the demon ones?? Im thinking of getting those as i need two and one Tial requires me to remortgage the house!!

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Yes mate BW S372.... the gates are demon... ill let you know how they go..:)

Few pics, ive binned all the fuel tank and lines now. Also all the brake lines have gone and changing for new.. The new tank is taking shape, just need to find a filler cap and sort the lid and fuel bungs out.. Im in the process of sorting all the fuel fittings and lines.. £££££££... :crap:.. there is still a list of things doing but id really like to have it running in 3 weeks..

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The new forward facing slim fan, saves on room in bay etc..

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The staging brake im going to stick in while lines are out..

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Yes 44 gates, i havnt welded anything on the thermo housing... Im running no stat aswell..

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I don't plan to run with a thermostat either, I have had far to many bad experiences with them, even new feckers. Nice place for the fuel cell:agree:

Stage brake, nice. I've wanted a stage brake for a while - anything that makes the launch less complicated is a winner. I also thought I could link my launch control in to the brake, so it was one less button to press on the steering wheel.

after my experiences measuring forge wastegate springs I'd be concerned that the 2 wategates aren't doing the same thing. Are you measuring the 2 turbine inlet pressures, or will it all be fine?

Don't quote me on this but I saw a guy on H.T who had put a small notch into the divider to try and equal the pressure. How well it would work I don't know I have never messed around with divided housings.

eeek, you know i hadnt even considered that potentail problem :crap:

we dont measure TIP at all, nevermind in each side of the turbine :laugh:

we will be using an electric boost control solenoid to control boost though, just one solenoid T pieced in to control both gates simultaneously, i was hoping that it would naturally balance any pressure differances as it "pushes" the gates closed, as of course the pressure will want to take the easiest route.

i can understand that on spring pressure alone (i.e before the solenoid is allowing any boost pressure to hold the gate shut) could be un-balanced, but as were only running very light gate spring pressure (0.7bar to help traction in 1st) im not worried about a miss-match at those low levels.

where did u source yr block bung from please,

34.5mm core plug does the trick Dave.

Nice 1 fella. I'll pull my finger out soon an finish my pikey Spec 1

Getting there... All brake pipes and staging brake done, loom fitted and ecu.. Ive just got the filler cap for the tank so im able to get this finish next week.. most of fuel fittings are here and injectors should be tuesday.. If all goes well this week i should be close to running. Im having to make some V band flanges at work for the turbo due to the cost of them (£70 for an 4" exhuast flange!!).... The boost hose is staying 2.5" for now and also the stock TB will be left on the car.. Ill improve these over the winter..

The new brake location and lines..
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An idea of the tank and pump set up + reg...

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Nice work Rob, getting there, slowly but surely! :agree:

What brake flaring tool are you using mate?

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Nice work Rob, getting there, slowly but surely! :agree:

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Its a kit you need to use in a vice, not free hand, dont know the make as its prob older than me, works tho.. :)

Looking really good as always rob !

How will you arrange the 2nd 044 ? It would be nice if you could have them side by side, each pulling from the bottom of the tank.

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Looking really good as always rob !

How will you arrange the 2nd 044 ? It would be nice if you could have them side by side, each pulling from the bottom of the tank.

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Yes thats how id like it, but id really like a 3 peace front end so im able to mount a newer tank behind the front bumper..

Get your shades on.... our new wheels... :smokin:

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...ject/001-4.jpg

and the cover...

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Nice mate, is that asbo orange the ford st colour? What wheels are those?

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Nice mate, is that asbo orange the ford st colour? What wheels are those?

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it has a 2mm valve uprated fuel pump and adjustable reg. the car ran 224 bhp on 18 psi and was running into the 14 on afr. wud you rcomend going back to a standard carb

The wheels of a fezzi my mate was selling on as a wager so took them off that for the honda so not cost anything. There only cheap make but look better than the steels we had. The colour is just fluorescent orange not the ST...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...ject/003-4.jpg

If you can access the tank why not put the pumps inside? Have you got a coarse filter between the tank and the pump?

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it has a 2mm valve uprated fuel pump and adjustable reg. the car ran 224 bhp on 18 psi and was running into the 14 on afr. wud you rcomend going back to a standard carb

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:laugh: too many windows too little time

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If you can access the tank why not put the pumps inside? Have you got a coarse filter between the tank and the pump?

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Could have done somthing similer to this.. But this tank prob wont be staying, its just temp to get us out..

http://www.xenocron.com/xenocron-dua...kit-p-626.html

Im running a 100mircon filter after pump. I really cant see much crap being in the fuel as its a new tank anyway..

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Could have done somthing similer to this.. But this tank prob wont be staying, its just temp to get us out..

http://www.xenocron.com/xenocron-dua...kit-p-626.html

Im running a 100mircon filter after pump. I really cant see much crap being in the fuel as its a new tank anyway..

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it's not so much the fuel but the clag from manufacturing the tank, it takes a few tanks of fuel before our tanks run clean, and all our fuel gets pre-filtered. We still run socks.

too many heinekens and not enuff eyes :laugh:

The Id1000`s turned up the other day, just in the process of fitting the fuel hoses, im unsure if i should change the layout so i dont have a fuel joiner over the alternator just incase i have a leak.. :scratch: or am i being para...

The new injectors

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...ject/001-5.jpg

I could run the fuel hose like this..

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or like this and fit it to the rail on the other side...

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...ject/005-2.jpg

with 2x044s I don't think it'll make much difference where the joins are if one leaks.

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with 2x044s I don't think it'll make much difference where the joins are if one leaks.

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Yeah, it's staggering how much fuel 2 of those can move. Mine will empty my 2L swirl pot in not many seconds. Even regulated at 3 bar they will suck the pot dry with the lift pump (the usual uprated GTT type) running flat out to fill it. I have to run the rail return to the swirl pot to keep the level up. A leak, anywhere in the bay would be game over. :(

Rob, the car looks trick ! :)

Nice injectors mate:agree: I wish I had brought these:( Could you have some sort of fuel cut off in the car, switch or a mechanical tap of some sort?

Its just the way the hose fits to the adaptors, pain to fit and im just amazed to what pressure they state they will take, just seems like the hose could pull out. Ok ive put them in a vise and tried to pull them out which i cant do, but i cant load them up to 100psi + or so which i guess we will be at.. Ill find out soon.. All my fittings are fast flow design joins, not swivel style...

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Yeah, it's staggering how much fuel 2 of those can move. Mine will empty my 2L swirl pot in not many seconds. Even regulated at 3 bar they will suck the pot dry with the lift pump (the usual uprated GTT type) running flat out to fill it. I have to run the rail return to the swirl pot to keep the level up. A leak, anywhere in the bay would be game over. :(

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It's normal to return the fuel to the collector (the downside being heating the fuel), but, the lift pump should have more flow than the injectors, after all it has to be able to catch up after sucking air. But then I guess you're not on full throttle for long :D. My system is only spec'd at 2L/min @7 bar so it's easy for me. You should see the lift pumps we make at work, I even have a mini dyno on my desk for motor power/efficiency curves :)

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Its just the way the hose fits to the adaptors, pain to fit and im just amazed to what pressure they state they will take, just seems like the hose could pull out. Ok ive put them in a vise and tried to pull them out which i cant do, but i cant load them up to 100psi + or so which i guess we will be at.. Ill find out soon.. All my fittings are fast flow design joins, not swivel style...

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How do you mean fast flow? Did you buy them from torques?

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It's normal to return the fuel to the collector (the downside being heating the fuel), but, the lift pump should have more flow than the injectors, after all it has to be able to catch up after sucking air. But then I guess you're not on full throttle for long :D. My system is only spec'd at 2L/min @7 bar so it's easy for me. You should see the lift pumps we make at work, I even have a mini dyno on my desk for motor power/efficiency curves :)

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exactly why we chose to make a new tank and gravity feed the pump direct, seemed complicated and too much to go wrong with a lift pump and surge tank setup, we was worried about the lift pump keeping up, or 1 of 3 pumps failing.

simplest way is usually the best way :)

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How do you mean fast flow? Did you buy them from torques?

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Yes from Torques, fast flow doesnt mean it will flow more, there the same bores just different fitment, take a look on ebay at there shop..

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tank nearly done..

http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...ject/005-3.jpg

Yay the other gate is here.. getting closer to a run...


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Not to be a downer or anything but your gunna make bugger all power with such a small turbo :eek:

Looking good Rob, not far off now mate :agree:

More honda spammmmmm...... :)

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Looks like you had a nose bleed while you were fitting the injectors :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqFgSHTWMB0

Nice mate:agree::agree: will you be ready for the outlaw event? Sure looks like it now!!!!!

Awesome, cant wait to see it in action :agree:

Nearly there now.. a little bit of weighting tonight before i dash of to Oulton Park for the weekend with work.. hoping to be on dyno early next week..
This is the car on its own...
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...2008/004-2.jpg
With me in it before set up..
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And the nearly finished result, need more balist yet and tweeks..
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l...2008/005-1.jpg

:DYou fat *******!

Looking good! Should hopefully be along to watch this event, if the weather holds out

All ready for the weekend, Car made 531hp @ 19-20psi boost.. leaving the tune there for now, Power is still climbing at 9k rpm but we are only going to rev to 9k at mo and let the motor run in a little... Im not after breaking records at the weekend or chassing Scoff just yet ;).. I just want to beat our old time but with not much effert..

Cheers for anyone thats helped or followed this thread.. :agree:

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Nice one mate, im coming up with the missus to watch on sunday cant wait to see how this goes:agree: How much are the tickets on the gate?

good idea to break it in gently ;)

9K... That's where Scoff will struggle, what's the stroke on your engine?

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good idea to break it in gently ;)

9K... That's where Scoff will struggle, what's the stroke on your engine?

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that was gentle ;)

87.2mm stroke our motor, 83mm bore.

it carries torque fantastic, only dropped 20lb/ft at 9k from peak, hp was still climbing at the rev limit. standard cams too :)

the 1.00 a/r t4 turbine needs a few revs to get it going mind :D

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that was gentle ;)


the 1.00 a/r t4 turbine needs a few revs to get it going mind :D

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You got me a little worried now Rob although i'm using the smaller unit BG S200SX twin scroll with 1.0 a/r.

I hope it's not going to be too laggy.:crap:

Wups sorry, I mean its a 1.1 housing..

voila'

http://www.youtube.com/user/BackyardRacing1

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Wups sorry, I mean its a 1.1 housing..

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Ah thats better. How 'laggy' is it Rob? Would it be unbearable on the road?

That's awesome! I love the way it just goes mental when it comes on boost!

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Ah thats better. How 'laggy' is it Rob? Would it be unbearable on the road?

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I think it's going to be 6.5krpm + before it does anything worth talking about Matt !

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voila'

http://www.youtube.com/user/BackyardRacing1

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Someone needs a bigger dyno :)

Glad it's getting there :)

post the plot or I'm calling BS :D

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I think it's going to be 6.5krpm + before it does anything worth talking about Matt !

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so if Matt keeps the standard rev limiter he'll be able to get rid of the intercooler ;)

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so if Matt keeps the standard rev limiter he'll be able to get rid of the intercooler ;)

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..and use a 1 bar map sensor :p

Lets hope you have more luck this weekend than this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e09Xr...feature=relmfu

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Ha you guys!:upyours:

Not wishing to spam Rob's thread, but these Borg Warners seem to spool reasonably well for the size of them or so iv'e read/been told. They seem to be piopular with the Evo crowd, desperate to get away from laggy manufacturers turbos. If my thoughts are correct (very rarely) i would hope to have 1 bar by 3500 and max boost by possibly 4500? Thats with a 1.0 a/r divided backend. This i could live with and i guess all depends on getting enough revs.

Im very interested on how Rob's turbo performs and when it gets on full boost?

Matt, which BW do you have ? I get 1 bar by about 5500rpm. Thats with a "little" 0.82ar T3 housing.

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Matt, which BW do you have ? I get 1 bar by about 5500rpm. Thats with a "little" 0.82ar T3 housing.

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Scoff,

Here's a link and info to mine:

http://www.full-race.com/store/borgw...670-turbo.html

Rob has it's big brother, i guess another animal entirely.:D

Ah, not at all the turbo I had in mind. I take that back then, I think it should work fine. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDXmYTWkGn0

Just spent nearly an hour reading this thread again, much going on with it now?

Also did I read that you ended up using the standard size vitara pistons in the over bored block? Still so tempting to do. Could pull 12s on the quarter for next to nothing:agree:

well we went 10.6@137mph at the outlaw race, which was the cars 1st outing on the new engine.


weve not had it out since, it needs some upgrades, we hit 99% duty on the injectors, so need to go bigger, plus the gearbox was dropping too much rpm on the 1-2 shift, we need the integra gearbox, which is closer ratio, we have the civic vti-s 'box' which is poo :(

as for the D16 motor, we did 2, the first one was overbored and used oversized vitara pistons (75.5mm), but cracked a sleeve later in the year.

the 2nd motor we didnt bother boring (to keep the sleeves as thick as poss) and ran 75.0mm vitara pistons on that one, and never cracked a sleeve, even running really lean when we maxed the pump out and hit 100% injector duty.

i would deff stay standard bore and use standard 75.0mm pistons adey, and 12`s, pah!! it will go low 11`s all day. we ran stock inlet mani which was crap, cast turbo mani, and no where near big enough on the fuel side and went 10.9. id be totally confidant of going 10.5 if i built another d16.

Cheers for the info, just pricing things up, I think most of the cost is in the shipping!

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Cheers for the info, just pricing things up, I think most of the cost is in the shipping!

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the civiclife forum classifieds would be your best bet mate, lots of parts on there, unfinished projects etc, its a very busy forum your sure to find what you want sooner or later

Rob loves civiclife :p We need a ricer smiley....

lol, not quite! i dont even like jap cars, but you cant argue with the engineering.

Did you hear adam went 9.78 on Sunday ? 2 1/100's behind CPL.

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Did you hear adam went 9.78 on Sunday ? 2 1/100's behind CPL.

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9s PAH, where are the 8s :D

yeah did hear, noticed it was at the same mph as you ;)

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noticed it was at the same mph as you ;)

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That'll be the "skill", there used to be a guy on here who had "skill"

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Rob loves civiclife :p We need a ricer smiley....

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Civic life, omfg! I forgot how childish some forums can be!

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yeah did hear, noticed it was at the same mph as you ;)

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Maybe so, but I'm starting to think that the additional weight in those Honda's is helping a lot in their 330'. I'm confident I could not have gone any quicker in the 330' on Saturday, bar finding some way to speed up the 1-2 shift, yet the 2 Hondas manage to go that bit quicker. If I put in any more power to those gears I would be slipping. I need to stiffen or limit the rear suspension travel too, that might account for something.

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Maybe so, but I'm starting to think that the additional weight in those Honda's is helping a lot in their 330'. I'm confident I could not have gone any quicker in the 330' on Saturday, bar finding some way to speed up the 1-2 shift, yet the 2 Hondas manage to go that bit quicker. If I put in any more power to those gears I would be slipping. I need to stiffen or limit the rear suspension travel too, that might account for something.

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it'll be a combination of weight distribution, wheelbase, and maybe C of G. It's possible that bolting a girder under the front bumper would make you faster. I don't think weight per-se would help unless it flattens the tyres out more?

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it'll be a combination of weight distribution, wheelbase, and maybe C of G. It's possible that bolting a girder under the front bumper would make you faster. I don't think weight per-se would help unless it flattens the tyres out more?

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yes id have to agree with andy, i dont think the weight is helping them, but i bet they have more of it over the front wheels, certainly miller etc have a lot past the front wheels with forward facing turbos, and batterys right behind the front bumper along with tanks for charge coolers and balast. i know some are knocking on the door of 80/20 weight distribuiton. have you corner weighed your car scoff?

i say the weight is not helping becouse the N/A civics are lighter and faster to 60` and not much behind the 330` with no where near the power. the N/A guys average high 1.4x 60`s for the field

wow, 80/20, surely that's not with driver installed? Either way that'll be a huge difference, I'd optimistically put Scoff at 70/30. I'm aiming for 65/35 in my 5 for hillclimbing, I'm at 63/37...

So without reference to all the sums I posted way back...

say Chris is currently 900Kg all up, 70/30 weight distribution, 240cm wheel base, 40cm centre of gravity, and under way can maintain 1G of acceleration before wheelspin.

statically he has 630Kg loading the front wheels
weight transfer at 1G will be 900 * 40/240 = 150Kg
so dynamic load will be 480Kg

So 480Kg vertical load will allow his tyres to pull 900Kg along at 1G, I'll assume that the load-traction effect is linear... (480/900 = 0.533)

so, add 50Kg 60cm forwards of the front wheel line at 20cm height... (I think the quote is "traction by GWR")
That will add 62.5Kg to the front axle and remove 12.5Kg from the rear.
New weight distribution = 72.9%

It's a bit early for this, but CofG will be lower by about 1cm, so now it's 39cm (?)
weight transfer at 1G will be 950*39/240 = 154Kg
giving a dynamic front load of 538.5Kg (at 1G)
(538.5/950 = 0.567)

0.567/0.533 = 1.06, so acceleration should go up to 1.06G, however, weight transfer will go up due to increased traction : 1.06*154 = 163 Kg, so real dynamic load would be 529.5Kg, bla bla bla, call it 1.05G at a guess :D is that enough to make up for the reduced acceleration in the middle section of the track?

bugger, just realised that the 950Kg also needs to be multiplied by acceleration, so that all washes out to ~ 1.045G... not that drivel I wrote before :laugh:

80/20 static would be 720Kg, weight transfer at 1G the same 150Kg, so a dynamic load of 570Kg (570/900 = 0.633, =19% more traction @1G..) bla bla again, 1.14G.

I've just put this lot into a spreadsheet to try to make it easier to change numbers, with my simple linear tyre model the total weight makes no difference to traction, it's all about the distribution, CofG and wheelbase.

eg, extending the wheelbase with a 1m long bar (from rear axel line) would take that 1G up to 1.07G... and 2m up to 1.12G

all according to my dodgy sums...

If your not bothered about handling, im sure massive improvements could be made on the original torsion bar setup, its rediculously heavy, do regulations allow a redesign?

Andy, thankyou, thats fascinating. I'm going to have to read that a few more times to absorb it properly but I get the jist already. Car is 920kg with me in it currently.

You know me, if it doesn't exist in the engine bay I havn't a clue, this is all very new to me so bare with me.

I can see that distribution makes a big difference. I can see that wheelbase makes a big difference too. So a question: will removing most of the travel from the rear suspension affect weight transfer much ? I can imagine that if the rear was 100% solid that during acceleration the rear end won't be able to squat. My mind wants to tell me that this will have the same effect as wheelie bars but I guess I'm missing something obvious ?

I had already planned to work on weight distribution over winter but this is giving me more encouragement to do it.

Tony, I havn't had a torsion bar installed for 5 years :)

stiffening the rear will make no difference to weight transfer.

However, I'm lead to believe that it does improve the 60ft, I can only assume that's to do with stopping the car rocking fore and aft (maybe diagonally?) making the tyres bounce, or maybe it's just a feel thing? Either way, that's a very different effect to fundamentally keeping the weight on the driven tyres.

I think you may find, that if you make the rear end solid, the front wheels may try and leave the ground! But still well worth ago, considering it wouldn't be that hard to knock up..
Wheel bars effectively increase the wheel base? well that's my thinking on it... You'd probably do more good if you made an anti lift kit for the front.. this could, at a guess, be quite easy, you could fit some (harness material, not sure what it is :) ) around the coils of the springs, maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't work.

I'm sure I'll be pointed right :D

And Andy, is there anthing you don't know :D

Yeah, I tried near solid rear suspension last year when I turreted the rear and ran coilovers. It didn't feel that much better in the 60', maybe a bit more controlable if and when spin occured. BUT it felt lethal at the top of the track. It would bounce on the slightest undulation and I had some stomach turning moments after the trap. It got removed and I went back to a normal torsion bar.

The front suspension is pretty good already I think, it doesn't appear to move in the launch. They're very stiff springs which are working much better than the lesser springs I had before. I compromise on the damping though, it seems too stiff is not good, my take on that is the suspension needs to be able to deal with the transients in launch but really I've just set it to whatever works best.

Sorry for making a mess of your thread rob! :crap:

Yeah I could see near solid rear ends being scary at the top end!!

I'm not sure if you've looked into it much, but, I'm sure you can get trick dampers that actually push down when accelerating, design specifically for FWD drag cars.. Not sure if it was BS from the guy I was speaking to though, he was foreign :D

Hahaha don't worry about Rob, he's a ricer these days, and as we own French cars we can ruin his thread, it's in the RTOC rules ;):D:D only kidding rob.

Loving the civic too Rob, looking purposeful these days :agree:

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plenty, but I confuse everyone by using O level maths and physics using all the wrong units and terms to solve degree level problems, makes me seem like a flawed genius :laugh:

I'm sure that there is something in damping, but it's the icing on the cake and not the cake itself. Chris will find a lot more performance for a lot less money in the way that he always does.

Yeah wheelie bars effectively lengthen the wheelbase I don't think it's the same as a stiff suspension setup, and they say the longer the arrow the straighter it flies :)

When I looked at buying a civic I started a thead on ht with a fair few people mentioning the longer wheel base eg being the car to go for, did I listen did I f**k. What poundage springs are you fast chaps using? 800lb-1000lb?

Possible Sale of car coming soon!!...

Ok, the time has come to sell our civic project.. Times have changed and other work commitments just mean there is no time or space to carry on with this car... Im going to sell it at a price ive been told by many in the drag racing game is too cheap and id be better of breaking it but i feel its a far price and im looking for Offers over £5,000..... This is the first place ive put the car up for sale...

Does sound like a bargain for all those components and work. Good luck with the sale :agree:

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Ok, the time has come to sell our civic project.. Times have changed and other work commitments just mean there is no time or space to carry on with this car... Im going to sell it at a price ive been told by many in the drag racing game is too cheap and id be better of breaking it but i feel its a far price and im looking for Offers over £5,000..... This is the first place ive put the car up for sale...

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Hectic, good luck with the sale bud worth every penny, bare engine worth more than £5,000 to build.

Well the Civic went to a new home last week.. I think i can say our drag racing days are over and cut short as that cars a 9second car.. I loved every minute of it and met some great people through it and i could say this club got more involved in to the sport.. As times moved on i just dont have the time to race the civic or fund it as now im deeply involved racing 2 porsches in the Porsche Club Champ and a chance to get my hands more involved racing a GT3 carrera cup soon...

Would like to thank Dean and Ant part of BYR racing, awsome mates, and also Scoff plus anyone else involved with us and drag racing over the many years...... :agree::agree::agree:

Dont worry i aint leaving the Club as i still have my PH1 GT :), time to blow the dust of the old girl i feel.....

Thanks all......Project Thread Finished....

:D keep us updated on the porsches too :D

Who brought it Rob?