172 turbo project

I bought my phase 2 renault 5 gt turbo around a year ago now, not long after i bought it the turbo blew, then piston rings and liners went so i decided not to fix it and go for the 172 lump :cool: the car will be used for track and road use haha if the insurance will touch me, the progress has been rather slow as i have only got a part time job, will keep this thread updated as i go along.

will defo need some advice and tips if any1 has done this conversion b4 as this is me first conversion, i have had a load ov advice of James5 thanks alot :D

here are a few pics of how it looked when i bought the car.

then i started taking the engine and all the interior just so it was a rolling shell :)
i sanded down the engine bay and subframe and sent them of to get sprayed.

just a few bits of sprayin while i waited for a few parts and saved up for me new engine :)

then me gaz coilovers, front and rear disks were fitted and intercooler bolted on ;)

finally bought me 172 engine with 55 thousand miles, with uprated clutch and gearbox with full rebuild ;)

sum pics ov me new engine, clutch and paint job

so i got me engine crane, plastic windows and 2 cobra buckets and got to work first i put the windows and buckets in place while i waited for the crane to arrive.

also the petrol lines and brake lines were all removed as they were rusty and also go trid ov the petrol tank :)

engine finally in, just waiting for me turbo manifold, heat plate and oil cooler.

also savin for me forged pistons, liners, conrods and rings ( Were is the best place to get a complete set and can you get different Compression ratio s ? ) also were could i get them all fitted ?

What front engine mount did you use?

i just used the r5 turbo 1 redrilled for the minute but i am still on the search for a gtx one i have been looking for nearly 2 months now and renault dealers dont stock them any more :crap:

Try here for the rods and pistons. Block needs boring if you don't use std size as no liners and I think PEC do MLS head gaskets as well for the 172 engine.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/F7R-172-T-Woss...item5d275974f6

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Originally Posted by wozzer

i just used the r5 turbo 1 redrilled for the minute but i am still on the search for a gtx one i have been looking for nearly 2 months now and renault dealers dont stock them any more :crap:

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Thats a shame as I bought a GTX one for my F7R conversion about 3 years ago. Was only £18 new from Renault.

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Originally Posted by Bruce - BHPerformance

Thats a shame as I bought a GTX one for my F7R conversion about 3 years ago. Was only £18 new from Renault.

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Renault have sold out of those mounts a little while ago, more than likely down to how many people are doing this type of conversion now

ok mate thanks alot i will need to do alot ov saving haha o well i new it was gona take along time, just hope it will be worth it :D

im gona leave all the engine work to a specialist coz i dnt have a clue :ashamed:

o yeh do you just use the clio 172 throttle cable and clutch cable ?

I used a std 5GTT cable for both if memory serves me correctly.

Engine Dynamics do fully built turbo engines for the 172.
http://www.engine-dynamics.com/epage...ne%20Builds%22

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Originally Posted by wozzer

ok mate thanks alot i will need to do alot ov saving haha o well i new it was gona take along time, just hope it will be worth it :D

im gona leave all the engine work to a specialist coz i dnt have a clue :ashamed:

o yeh do you just use the clio 172 throttle cable and clutch cable ?

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I used 5 clutch cable and the phase 1 172 throttle cable due to tb connection end was different to gtt.

Nice work Wozzer! :niceone:

thanks alot cables orderd :agree:

o yeh wot silcone hose do i use or wud i have 2 get them made ?

coz the 172 or the gt hoses wouldnt fit wud they because the hoses come of differently ?

thanks big steve :D

I used a clio 16v radiator and oil cooler so used std pipework from 19 16v, GTT and Megane 16v that I had lying around the garage.

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Originally Posted by wozzer

thanks alot cables orderd :agree:

o yeh wot silcone hose do i use or wud i have 2 get them made ?

coz the 172 or the gt hoses wouldnt fit wud they because the hoses come of differently ?

thanks big steve :D

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What radiator are you going to be using? you can use the 172 rad if you have it if not go down the clio 16v / williams radiator route and a large slimline fan as they will fit in place ok you will need to make a couple of support bracket's for the rad itself, you will need to extend the 172 hoses to the heater matrix but some simple joiners and straight pipe will do the job nicely. I used a mixture of my R5 GTT pipes and 172 pipework for my setup.

will be using the 172 rad and slimline fan :) looks like i will have 2 buy a set of 172 hoses and r5 hoses and just have a play ;)

turbo manifold shud be here 2moz or tuesday so will get sum pics with the turbo in place, just hope there is enought space for the exhaust and hoses that come of the turbo :crap:

here are some pics with me manifold and turbo on, the only problem is that the turbo is in the wrong place :laugh:

wot do u reckon i can do ???

mite just leave it like this then connect everything else up then take it 2 a specialist to do the internals and sort the turbo out lol

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Originally Posted by wozzer

here are some pics with me manifold and turbo on, the only problem is that the turbo is in the wrong place :laugh:

wot do u reckon i can do ???

mite just leave it like this then connect everything else up then take it 2 a specialist to do the internals and sort the turbo out lol

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Do you mean the front of the turbo outlet is pointing the wrong way? You know you can rotate the front of the turbo by undoing the bolts that sit on th back of that near where the oil feed goes.

When you say in wrong place do you mean the turbo housing's? if so you will have to do what we did with the F7p turbo's and rotate the exhaust and compressor housing's so it would fit properly keeping the core with the feed at the top. You may need to drill and tap the rear of your compressor housing to fit the actuator in a new location on it:agree:


Looking good though, I wonder if you could get away with using the Clio phase 1 turbo downpipe like me and Steve use on our F7p turbo conversion

http://www.k-tecracing.com/show_prod...d=2726&appid=1

Just stole the downpipe pic from Steve's project thread on www.renault5gtturbo.com

I know that myself and Steve are doing the F7p conversion's but your turbo must sit in a very similar location to our's, I would have thought this would be ok fo you to use. You can pick them up 2nd hand on the clio 16v valver forum for around £150.00

The pictures are from Steve aka 5teveL's project and he is using the K-Tec downpipe as seen in this pic I am using the BBPT version of the downpipe basically same thing although i had to modify one of my holes to fit my T28 properly.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...Picture575.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...Picture576.jpg

hya james no the housin is in the corect place :) its just the turbo if u look at the pics above the pipe that comes of the turbo to the intercooler is gona hit the bulk head :crap:

thanks for them pics that downpipe looks mint,
pics help me alot more

thanks alot

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Originally Posted by wozzer

hya james no the housin is in the corect place :) its just the turbo if u look at the pics above the pipe that comes of the turbo to the intercooler is gona hit the bulk head :crap:

thanks for them pics that downpipe looks mint,
pics help me alot more

thanks alot

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I think the downpipe will work for you aswell:agree:

Yeah you just need to rotate the compressor housing so it sits nicely, as said you will also need to remove actuator to do this then drill and tap the rear of the comp housing to enable bolts to secure actuator bracket in place once you have got the housing location done. you will prob have to have the outlet facing upwards:agree:

Mine is the same you can see my top outlet pipe just in this pic of my bay

https://www.rtoc.org/boards/picture.p...ictureid=16498

ok mate how hard is it 2 rotate the compresser unit ?

ur engine is lookin mint now wot bhp are u looking at ? :wasntme:

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Originally Posted by wozzer

ok mate how hard is it 2 rotate the compresser unit ?

ur engine is lookin mint now wot bhp are u looking at ? :wasntme:

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To rotate the compressor housing you will need to first take of the actuator, then undo the bolts at the rear of the front compressor housing just slightly lossen them all and you should be able to rotate the housing quite easily and then just nip the bolts back up again once the position is found, as said the actuator bracket will now need to be located in a different place, i would mark were it needs to go on the compressor housing and then fully remove the front housing and drill out to the correct size thread prob be an M6 or something along those lines to secure it, also leave the old actuator bolts in there holes as they may go straight through the housing and then leak boost otherwise.

My engine is ok present bhp is 0, but when running would be nice to see around 250ish out of it.

thanks for the advice i have managed 2 rotate it and fits ok ;)

got a few pics and 1 pic ov the space for the down pipe :)

Looking good matey I take it your going to have a 90 deg silicone bend straight of it :agree:

no need to thank for advice matey if I can help I will, shame your not down south would have given you hand with the conversion:agree:

yeh i wish u cud help me but im in no rush lol so just gona do bits when i get the chance haha o yeh u no u sed use the yellow cozzy injectors http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-COSWORTH-...item2a11f7b256

are they the right 1ns and wot difference wud it make if i wanted to uprate them to the 803 s ??

i was just wondering if this is the volvo fuel rail wich is used, so can put bigger injectors in ??

Yeah that looks Like the one Volvo t5 jobbie. Check out ashys profile he has photos that shows his mods. You need to move the rail more to the left as your covering thermostat inlet connection. You need to block / get someone to alloy weld the 5th hole :)

rad and fan have turned up, so fitted these this mornin and also found a new place for the brake pot :)

Looking good matey, coming on nicely you thought about air filter location yet?? I have mine placed in the passenger side scuttle area, I drilled a 63mm hole through the scuttle area and just ran some pipe up. Battery then re-located to the drivers side scuttle area:agree:

Give's you something else to do aswell now:agree::D

haha yeh i have been thinking to put it over the front passengers side arch,
and the battery in the boot with the petrol tank ?

just waiting for the injectors ( 803s )

o yeh i went down to me local welder this mornin and he said he could block the hole of on the fuel rail but is there any other way coz he said it mite be risky ? e.g he could put a plug init then weld around the top ?

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Originally Posted by wozzer

haha yeh i have been thinking to put it over the front passengers side arch,
and the battery in the boot with the petrol tank ?

just waiting for the injectors ( 803s )

o yeh i went down to me local welder this mornin and he said he could block the hole of on the fuel rail but is there any other way coz he said it mite be risky ? e.g he could put a plug init then weld around the top ?

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Best of speaking with Nial aka Ashy as he had to modify his the same.

Will a clio PH1 fuel rail not fit the injectors? as it'll save a right fcuk on and the mounting bolts etc will line straight up?

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Originally Posted by SP33DY

Will a clio PH1 fuel rail not fit the injectors? as it'll save a right fcuk on and the mounting bolts etc will line straight up?

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Feck your right the clio phase 1 rail will why didn't i think of that as I use it on mine with the Bosch injectors.

iv tryed to upload more photos ov wot i have bin up 2 but they wont load for sum reason :crap:

anyway iv plumbd all the engine in e.g rad and coolent pipes, welded me volvo fuel rail, located me airfilter were the battery would ov bin, bought me phase 1 carb and fitted, fitted clutch cable and throttle cable also fitted me heat wrappd exhaust.

just orderd some 803s and pistons of ASHY :agree:

also how hard is it 2 weld a plate for the top engine mount ??

Warren, Ashy cut the top engine mount bracket out of a Mk1 clio shell I think it was and welded it into his 5:agree: You will need to relocate the brake fluid resevoir. I know Ashy has loads of pic's on profile take a peak:agree:

Sounds like progress is coming on quick shame about upload of pic's:cry:

sorry for no updates iv not been able to upload anything for ages :sad2:

there has been abit ov work going on like :

New williams bonnet, side skirts (profesionaly sprayed), standard r5 wheels in kawaski green, turbo downpipe and side exit exhaust, finally made the front bumper fit over the intercooler, swirl pot, 2 green harnesess, alloy petrol tank, full uprated wishbone bushes and arb bushes and also just bought all the engine componants

e.g piston rings,
big end bearings,
crank main bearings,
thrust washers,
headbolts,
full gasket set

also interior sorted out flocked dash and omp stearing wheel ;)

things left to do and buy :

brake lines and petrol lines,
hand brake cables,
bolt in bucket seats,
exhaust and downpipe fitting,
gear linkages,
fit side skirts properly,
inter-cooler pipes,
clio top mount and weld on car,


throttle cable £30


215mm AP paddle clutch, £400


cam-belt kit, £105


Starter motor and heat shield ??


roll cage


ECU – loom
engine build,
oil return and feed.

Dear god man. What's happened to the front bumper?:cry:

haha i no yeh i really didnt want to cut it but the car has been of the road for so long now and just wanted to get the pipe work on :) it will be on track every weekend so doubt it will stay in one peace anyway :crap:

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Originally Posted by wozzer

haha i no yeh i really didnt want to cut it but the car has been of the road for so long now and just wanted to get the pipe work on :) it will be on track every weekend so doubt it will stay in one peace anyway :crap:

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Ha fair comment. At least it serves a purpose. :agree:

warren looking good maaey, coming on well:agree::D so the valver turbo downpipe fitted perfect

haha yeh fitted perfectly im just struggling to cut out a clio top mount so i can weld it in mine :crap:

PEC uprated h-section steel con rods, full gasket set, main bearings,big end bearings, piston rings, crank main bearings, thrust washer and head bolts all ordered for next week ;)